Camp Stealing?

[bloodgrave]

Just wondering about this as it happened to me. I took screens and had /log on (as I've had problems at this camp before)

Some mob that spawns every 'x', either has prize loot or a the fishing pole.

I'm sitting at the camp waiting for him to spawn as I know the timer and no one was there a couple hours before he spawns. Other guy comes by about an hour before; whom is almost double my level and his pet is red to me. Parks his pet at the spawn and proceeds to chat it up with me.

Mob spawns I root the mob first (before he attacked him), and he burns the mob, loots it and says 'and I'm a loggin' - his excuse was that the NPC had the junk loot shown so he burned him. I obviously have no way to prove that the npc didn't drop prize or otherwise..

Is it true that if he show's the fishing pole then the ear ring doesn't drop? Even if he didn't get the loot, he didn't even ask or tell me he was going to do that.. not cool. You know whom you are as you post on the forums, I'm not sure if you were just helping out or if you KS - either way it wasn't cool.

So my question is - what to do in these cases? Does reporting do anything?

[Ele]

Name and Shame time. You got KS'd. (if facts are correct)

[Lorraine]

Name and Shame time. You got KS'd. (if facts are correct)

+1

Post your screenshots too.

[fishingme]

name and shame, ill have some fun with the guy when i get off of work today :)

[Briscoe]

+1

Post your screenshots too.

+1

Also:

Other guy comes by about an hour before; who is almost double my level and his pet is red to me.

[Pscottdai]

Is it true that if he show's the fishing pole then the ear ring doesn't drop?

Not true, he will show the fishing pole even if he has the earring.

Unless my memory is completly screwed lol!

[Ambrotos]

He didn't have the earring. This spawn has always been an issue. In the logs it does show his pet attacking before you rooted Hadden by 1 second. It was still your camp if you were in the zone at the spawn point. Even tho, if you are at the camp before him it is yours. As far as I know, as Guides we don't have access to see how long a person has been in a zone/camp. So we would have to rely on both parties "proof".

[bloodgrave]

http://www.sportcoup.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Game-Time-1.jpg
http://www.sportcoup.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Game-Time-2.jpg

[Ele]

Destroy rep before selling, or new guy that just doesn't care, or fake selling to build new rep?

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=100586&highlight=zetas

[mrmop520]

HA zetas' reputation has already been ruined a longtime :)

[zanderklocke]

Random question. I see you're using Duxa's UI. I know that button set 1 and 2 come built in, but how did you get that hot key bar labeled "HB 4"?

[Briscoe]

Wow, a 60 necro with EOT attempting to KS Hadden. Can it get any more pathetic?

[bloodgrave]

I wasn't going to post his name, but I'm posting these because of his responses or lack there of after I say he took my kill and should've said something if he was going to help out.. then blowing me off saying he had to go to work and then loggin on his alt (which I got from posts on here.

[LiQuid]

Something very similar happened to me last week in Permafrost where I rooted Zaharn first then a monk came up and jacked him before I could properly dot him. I talked to a GM (Alovia) about it and even tho she claims my root did in fact land 1 second before he attacked (and I'm 110% sure from actually being there that it was a good 10+ seconds before I was KSed since the monk was up above on the ledge leading down to him fighting another goblin, so something has to be up with the logs they have available) she wouldn't award me compensation or punish the other guy.

The entire time the guy was attacking the mob I was asking him politely to not KS me, yet he kept attacking, killed him, looted and thanked me. When I asked him why he KS'd me he just /pondered me and ran off. Turned on /anon and has ignored me ever since.

Even after talking to the GM and having the GM admit that my root landed first she said he produced "convincing screenshots" that supported "his side of the story," which apparently excuses him KSing me, which even if only by 1 second (it wasn't) was still a KS.

I didn't have a /log on, but after the KS I took a screen shot of all the dialog I had with the monk, asking him not to KS and then him being flippant.

All of this happened over a week ago, but it took making a petition thread (which was deleted before it was responded to) and 3 in game petitions over the course of the week before I finally got a response and then Alovia told me that it having happened a week ago was a hindrance to it being resolved(?)...

I know the GMs are busy people and resolving these disputes which are petty and silly, not to mention about fairly trivial items, has to be a pain in the ass. At this point I don't even care about the coronet, but I can't stand this kind of antisocial behavior from people not going punished. If this guy was ready with a cover story and screenshots that excused his CONFIRMED (by the GM!) KS, these people just have to be too used to doing this kind of crap and I'm clearly undergunned trying to prove I was in the right as someone who's never tried to get away with doing someone rotten.

I know the monks name and I know who he is on the forum. Outing him would probably make me feel better in a gross way, but I don't think it would do enough damage to his reputation that he would care, and it wouldn't help resolve the issue in my favor, so whatever. =\

[Ambrotos]

Something very similar happened to me last week in Permafrost where I rooted Zaharn first then a monk came up and jacked him before I could properly dot him. I talked to a GM (Alovia) about it and even tho she claims my root did in fact land 1 second before he attacked (and I'm 110% sure from actually being there that it was a good 10+ seconds before I was KSed since the monk was up above on the ledge leading down to him fighting another goblin, so something has to be up with the logs they have available) she wouldn't award me compensation or punish the other guy.

The entire time the guy was attacking the mob I was asking him politely to not KS me, yet he kept attacking, killed him, looted and thanked me. When I asked him why he KS'd me he just /pondered me and ran off. Turned on /anon and has ignored me ever since.

Even after talking to the GM and having the GM admit that my root landed first she said he produced "convincing screenshots" that supported "his side of the story," which apparently excuses him KSing me, which even if only by 1 second (it wasn't) was still a KS.

I didn't have a /log on, but after the KS I took a screen shot of all the dialog I had with the monk, asking him not to KS and then him being flippant.

All of this happened over a week ago, but it took making a petition thread (which was deleted before it was responded to) and 3 in game petitions over the course of the week before I finally got a response and then Alovia told me that it having happened a week ago was a hindrance to it being resolved(?)...

I know the GMs are busy people and resolving these disputes which are petty and silly, not to mention about fairly trivial items, has to be a pain in the ass. At this point I don't even care about the coronet, but I can't stand this kind of antisocial behavior from people not going punished. If this guy was ready with a cover story and screenshots that excused his CONFIRMED (by the GM!) KS, these people just have to be too used to doing this kind of crap and I'm clearly undergunned trying to prove I was in the right as someone who's never tried to get away with doing someone rotten.

I know the monks name and I know who he is on the forum. Outing him would probably make me feel better in a gross way, but I don't think it would do enough damage to his reputation that he would care, and it wouldn't help resolve the issue in my favor, so whatever. =\

Check the resolved petition section. Sirken responded to you, they didn't delete the petition.

[LiQuid]

Ah sorry about that, I never knew there WAS a resolved petition section! I don't get involved in this kind of stuff very often...

Like I said tho, I have a lot of respect for P99 GMs. Way too much to raise a stink over something as trivial as this when I've been helped so politely in the past. Just annoyed with the other guy's behavior.

[Briscoe]

I know the monks name and I know who he is on the forum. Outing him would probably make me feel better in a gross way, but I don't think it would do enough damage to his reputation that he would care, and it wouldn't help resolve the issue in my favor, so whatever. =\

I don't see how there is anything "gross" about outing him. As long as you have definitive proof in the form of screenshots and/or logs, it shouldn't reflect poorly on you at all. Think of it as doing the P99 community a favor.

[Nordenwatch]

LiQuid tell us the name! Also Zetas rep has been ruined since day 1.

[Tecmos Deception]

Moral of the stories in here? Turn on logging in your ini.

[LiQuid]

I don't see how there is anything "gross" about outing him. As long as you have definitive proof in the form of screenshots and/or logs, it shouldn't reflect poorly on you at all. Think of it as doing the P99 community a favor.

Mostly because I don't know the guy's story. Sure it's because he has ignored me, but what if he was at that camp for hours, just getting unlucky so he got stir crazy and decided to wander off to kill other goblins out of boredom? Then I'm the one that looks like a jerk who came into the camp and chanced upon Zaharn after only being in the zone for 20 minutes.

In any situation where there's a dispute like that there are always two sides and if that guy's only fault were being antisocial about the entire encounter I wouldn't have any right to complain because that's how he is and chooses to play and that's his right. I'm not going to out someone for that.

The only things I'm agitated about are 1. being ignored by the monk when I was doing my best to stay polite, and 2. having the KS confirmed but having nothing done about it. As someone who doesn't have access to whatever evidence and story he gave the GM I can only take them at their word that they got it right. This isn't appeals court, it's just a forum and I wanted to rant.

[LiQuid]

Moral of the stories in here? Turn on logging in your ini.

^this is what facts look like. Apparently logs are the magic win button. Don't they just output to a txt file? To me that seems easier to manipulate than a screenshot..

[Langrisser]

Zetas has a monk, Moszetas... camp stealer, incompetent griefer, crybaby extraordinaire ... but also a coward! GM's will run him off just petition

[Tecmos Deception]

^this is what facts look like. Apparently logs are the magic win button. Don't they just output to a txt file? To me that seems easier to manipulate than a screenshot..

You'd have to be pretty damn dedicated to manipulate more than 5-10 seconds of a log file. An active log has a dozen or more entries per second when there is combat going on or OOC or anything. Guides can probably check for accuracy against their own los also, for things said in /ooc or timing and such.

[myriverse]

You'd have to be pretty damn dedicated to manipulate more than 5-10 seconds of a log file. An active log has a dozen or more entries per second when there is combat going on or OOC or anything. Guides can probably check for accuracy against their own los also, for things said in /ooc or timing and such.
The number of entries doesn't really matter. It's a snap to search a text doc. It takes much more time and dedication to alter a screenshot.

[Tecmos Deception]

No one argued it is easier to alter a SS than a log. Probably because that is 99% irrelevant here.

If you produce hundreds of lines of a legit log file backing up your side of the story and send them via PM to a guide, odds are the dude you're up against isn't going to produce hundreds of lines (+1) of illegitimate log file to get you screwed over.


Again. Moral of the story = /log on.

[Kekephee]

I don't know what it is about this server compared to live but I really don't remember people being such enormous pricks about camps back in the day. I've taken so much shit from people here taking over my groups' camps after a wipe and rule-lawyering, or my favorite, a friend of mine who was quadding specs went afk for like ten minutes while he was medding, came back to find some assclown necro or druid or something standing in the camp who proceeds to KS the spawn. Friend tells him to amscray and the guy's response is "I OOC'D AND U SAID NOTHING TO CALL CAMP NO CALL CAMP CAMP MINE," are you shitting me? You can't get up to take a piss or microwave a burrito without some dick imperialising your camp?

I think WoW is to blame. Four or five or whatever years of "there are no camps in WoW" has ruined peoples' ability to respect the fact that someone else was goddamn there first.

[Nordenwatch]

Through my time playing MMOs what I've learned is that people on the internet IN GENERAL are enormous pricks about everything.

I don't know what it is about this server compared to live but I really don't remember people being such enormous pricks about camps back in the day. I've taken so much shit from people here taking over my groups' camps after a wipe and rule-lawyering, or my favorite, a friend of mine who was quadding specs went afk for like ten minutes while he was medding, came back to find some assclown necro or druid or something standing in the camp who proceeds to KS the spawn. Friend tells him to amscray and the guy's response is "I OOC'D AND U SAID NOTHING TO CALL CAMP NO CALL CAMP CAMP MINE," are you shitting me? You can't get up to take a piss or microwave a burrito without some dick imperialising your camp?

I think WoW is to blame. Four or five or whatever years of "there are no camps in WoW" has ruined peoples' ability to respect the fact that someone else was goddamn there first.

[Waedawen]

i love how OP speaks in code as if to keep Hadden a secret

my pixxellsss

[Itap]

I don't know what it is about this server compared to live but I really don't remember people being such enormous pricks about camps back in the day. I've taken so much shit from people here taking over my groups' camps after a wipe and rule-lawyering, or my favorite, a friend of mine who was quadding specs went afk for like ten minutes while he was medding, came back to find some assclown necro or druid or something standing in the camp who proceeds to KS the spawn. Friend tells him to amscray and the guy's response is "I OOC'D AND U SAID NOTHING TO CALL CAMP NO CALL CAMP CAMP MINE," are you shitting me? You can't get up to take a piss or microwave a burrito without some dick imperialising your camp?

I think WoW is to blame. Four or five or whatever years of "there are no camps in WoW" has ruined peoples' ability to respect the fact that someone else was goddamn there first.

I'm pretty sure this is actually classic. Majority of people who played in 99/00 were 13 years old. What amazes is that people are still doing it NOW. Now that they are 25+

Are you serious!?

[Kekephee]

That's a good point. I dunno, I was 15 and if anything I took this game way, way too seriously, so maybe I projected some of my 15 year old paladin self running around administering justice onto the rest of the community and it really was just as bad as it is now. Would make a lot more sense that way.

[Teppler]

I don't know what it is about this server compared to live but I really don't remember people being such enormous pricks about camps back in the day. I've taken so much shit from people here taking over my groups' camps after a wipe and rule-lawyering, or my favorite, a friend of mine who was quadding specs went afk for like ten minutes while he was medding, came back to find some assclown necro or druid or something standing in the camp who proceeds to KS the spawn. Friend tells him to amscray and the guy's response is "I OOC'D AND U SAID NOTHING TO CALL CAMP NO CALL CAMP CAMP MINE," are you shitting me? You can't get up to take a piss or microwave a burrito without some dick imperialising your camp?

I think WoW is to blame. Four or five or whatever years of "there are no camps in WoW" has ruined peoples' ability to respect the fact that someone else was goddamn there first.

This has been happening to me in HS north a lot lately(basically my home camp). IDK, whenever I call for CC and someone misses it because they are in between spawns or what ever I usually respect that. Am I wrong?

[ymw]

I was said wizard and had been quadding and afking between while I got mana quite frequently. I think it's in the game description for wizardry, as it's pretty much what we do.

The AFK in question was all of 3-4 minutes and he killed a spec within melee distance of me sitting at said camp.

I don't remember it being this bad either, but my guess is it's a combination of overpopulation in several (all?) level ranges and the tendency of people these days to forget that there's a difference between the written rules and the publicly accepted/acknowledged standards of conduct.

Happens!

[Sirbanmelotz]

Doesn't it suck that you can't pk on blue? Cry cry cry

[Kekephee]

Yeah, we could be having camp disputes with people and then the people kill us and take our pixels too

[Pend]

rant
I have to say, I love your writing style. I was cracking up and agreeing at the same time.

I think I'll suggest the idea that it's precisely because the server population is older on average and they (we) are all more cynical with less patience. Instead of having all day to play, they have maybe an hour because they work for a living. So trying to get a camp is like "camp check"...5 seconds go by..."ok, I'm taking xxxxx", which leads to the scenario you described. And also, I think most of us get more assertive and less tolerant as we get older, too. We're more willing/able to take heat for something if we get our way.

I'm making a ton of generalizations here. I try to be as respectful as I can because I think karma hurts, but I also recognize that I fight with myself about what the limit of respect is more now than I used to in 2001. But then, I was significantly more submissive back then too.

Let's face it, these are exactly the reasons why EQ generally didn't do nearly as well as WoW and others. Its game mechanics didn't have ways of dealing with these scenarios because the genre was new. But at the same time, the mechanics are also why I consider EQ the most socially vibrant MMO in existence. Reputation matters.

[Kekephee]

I agree with everything you said, Pend. Especially the part about all the little imperfections and inefficiencies of EQ making it what it is. The LFG tool in WoW has made it so easy to get a group and then teleport to your instance where you don't interact with anyone but the 4 people you're grouped with (3 of whom aren't even talking because they're just 16 year olds in their rooms smoking pot out of a coke can) that it's lifeless. I really missed the social environment of this game- assholes, ksers, flamewars on forums between top guilds and all. But it can be really infuriating until you remind yourself that this is exactly what made the game exciting to begin with. Double-edged, cock-shaped sword.

[Swish]

If I ran the server and proof of douchebaggery was beyond doubt, the offending KS'er who tips up before a spawn is due would get a 48 hour suspension (or better still an IP ban for that time) and 3 strikes.

3rd strike = perma ban.

I'd rather be on a server with 500-600 people playing in the spirit of 1999 than having to deal with camp lawyers and "couldn't care less, I'm level 60 and can KS you" types on a daily basis.

Something needs to be done, not knocking the GMs but christ...I hate to read these stories where the "criminal" gets away with it and the "police" don't do something :p

[Briscoe]

i love how OP speaks in code as if to keep Hadden a secret

my pixxellsss

Best post in thread.

[bloodgrave]

So I've setup camp again to try and get my earing. Zetas spawns sets up pet and says ' I have it camped'.

screens taken again .. but what to do about this guy!?

[Ciel]

Petition in game

[Mithas]

12 when I first saw EQ in 99, was a huge lan party with 30 year olds.
:confused:

I was 22 along with most of my friends at launch. My parents would have never paid for a monthly subscription to a game.

[bloodgrave]

I have petitioned .. but he'll probably spawn before I get a response as its soon.

[bloodgrave]

My other character is actually there too and easier to kill hadden with my SK. (actually my wife's SK - she was playing my druid earlier as she likes it better now)

http://www.sportcoup.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/zetas.jpg

[Tecmos Deception]

"I never ks'd it attacked me"

Priceless.


Hope he gets banned :)

[-Catherin-]

we made sure he didnt get it :D

[bloodgrave]

Thanks to Rahmani and Kenilu I got earring and justice :)

http://www.sportcoup.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/zetas2.jpg

[-Catherin-]

http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad114/dking1171/EQ000040_zpsc43a9ae3.jpg

[Alovia]

^this is what facts look like. Apparently logs are the magic win button. Don't they just output to a txt file? To me that seems easier to manipulate than a screenshot..

Logs are not a magic win button. We cannot assume your side of the story is true, and we listen to everyone involved. Logs and Screenshots HELP us when we look at encounter logs etc for KSing issues.

When neither side can provide logs, or screenshots etc... we have to base it off stories. Then it turns into a he said, she said story, which in turn makes it more difficult to really "punish".

I tell people all the time. Change your ini file to have logs on. Delete it once a week (or archive it) so it does not get to big. Its good for you, and its good for us.

[jijii]

Does "this guy is a known rampant dickbag" ever play into the decision because I mean...

[Alovia]

Does "this guy is a known rampant dickbag" ever play into the decision because I mean...

We are pretty good about keeping records. And if he has had the incident happen in the past. Then that is taken into consideration as well.

Honestly when it comes to camp issues every situation is different and how we handle it are different.

Obviously we want it handled by the players first, if they can figure it out, its better in the end. If we have to mediate, we can do that to. If both sides wont yeild, fine, /random for it.

[-Catherin-]

that makes it sound like anyone could walk into my camp and force a /random for it even though i had been there. I hope you mean this is the case when there isnt appropriate evidence, otherwise that is opening a can of worms with the camp lawyers

[Swish]

I don't doubt at least 10 camp lawyers have read this and are preparing to grief people in various places. It's a shame the GMs are so shackled, but at least on this occasiona Zetas was not only denied the kill but also denied the earring ;)

[Alovia]

that makes it sound like anyone could walk into my camp and force a /random for it even though i had been there. I hope you mean this is the case when there isnt appropriate evidence, otherwise that is opening a can of worms with the camp lawyers


No. I mean it more if I have to mediate a camp dispute. If the 2 parties cannot come to some sort of agreement, they can /random for the camp with me there. (if they agree) adn thats the final desision.

Not saying its a perfect answer... but its an option.

[Tiggles]

Do what I do and buy a dedicated Fraps Drive that loops when it fills up.

http://i.imgur.com/hcTHzrW.png

[Loli Pops]

Funny, we don't have such issues on red.

[ymw]

Sure you do. And for the undergeared and low-level crowd, they can have these issues plus a little experience loss to add in.

Hot dawg!

[Loli Pops]

I'd be mad too if I had to wait in line for items. #YOLO

[Boilon]

Glad that Zetas was served a can of justice from the players. Congratz on getting your earring and what a dick to begin with. Is this the original Zetas or is the account already in circulation? Just remember this guy dicking around in KC back during Acyrid days (pretty sure thats where I saw him?).

[Auvdar]

Getting a camp issue resolved here is like getting a DUI charge dismissed/reduced IRL. :P

[Shamen]

I tell people all the time. Change your ini file to have logs on. Delete it once a week (or archive it) so it does not get to big. Its good for you, and its good for us.

so how do I do this?

[Grahm]

Getting a camp issue resolved here is like getting a DUI charge dismissed/reduced IRL. :P

Known two boxer to community.

[Alovia]

so how do I do this?

Located you EQ.ini file. Its in the everquest folder. WHen you open it up there will be a bunch of text.

Somewhere in that line it says Log=FALSE, change FALSE to TRUE, so Log=TRUE. Save the file.

This will turn it on all the time, every time you play any character.

Just a fair warning though, you forget about the log.text file, and then the file gets huge. It does not really bog stuff down, but trying to find something in it may take awhile.

Personally for me, I take my logs every week and save them, normally just rename the .txt file to something like Alovia_March1-9.txt

Then the next time I log on, the log file creates a new txt file with the proper title.

In turn, if you just want logs whenever you NEED them, for example, maybe you want to play it safe with auctions or trade. Everytime your on your trade you can just do /log on, and /log off. If you do it this way, if you forget to /log off, everytime you physically log out of the game or crash, the logs stop.

[Tasslehofp99]

How are logs themselves going to assist in settling camp disputes?

Are player logs really used to determine the details of a disputr?
That seems quite unfair, don't the gm's have access to the same logs?
Why risk a spiteful person submitting doctored logs/screenshots to get back at superior players of whom they are jealous? There isn't a better way to determine what was said by both sides?

I've been threatened with petition by folks in kc who claim camps an clear half of the area. In those situations they leave half of a camp up and if someone else comes along and grabs mobs in their camp which they weren't killing in the first place, the person rages.


For instance I zone into KC yesterday and see 4 or 5 nameds up, most of which being at the bottom of track because folks in kc at the time can't locate them or care not to. I start heading towards the nameds with harmony or by clearing mobs, either way works. I come across someone in LCY camp, harmony past them without issue.

Then I go to pull a named, which this person in lcy takes note of. They begin to follow me past lcy towards berserker area, despite the fact that they already have 2 mobs engaged/rooted. I tag the named, pull it to a safe spot and the guy in LCY starts trying to ks me. I out damage him, kill the mob, and loot up.

He then petitions me for camp stealing and ks'ing, claiming he'd been camping lcy for hours and I just came in and jacked his named. I of course find this laughable because in order to get to the named I killed he would have had to clear about 8 more mobs on top of the 2 he had. To be a prick I linked the mobs rare drop even tho it dropped jarsath armor, because he had already stated his intentions to petition me.


At this point I told him to petition and that id done nothing wrong since he was in lcy and unable to safely pull the named I killed. He says he did, and I got an invite to a group downstairs, so I swapped over to my rogue and joined the group.

The dude id just had a dispute with on my other character shows up at my group asking if they had room still, because apparently they had been waiting for him to join, but got fed up and invited me instead.




The dude went ape shit, trash talking all 6 members of the group and said he can't wait till a gm sees the logs so that my other character would be banned.


After this I proceeded to abuse him in tells for being a spiteful fuck, and I'm willing to bet all that was included in whatever petition he submitted. How in this case would logs help at all? They would only show me calling the guy an idiot for claiming lcy was camped when he had alreadyaccepted a group invite to basement? I mean I told him it was my mob he was trying to steal and he just became angry and ignorant. Why should people be forced to play nice with jackasses like this?


Also, people who submit false petitions should be perma ip banned, same goes for 2 boxers and rmt'ers.


Btw persons name in game was bearhugz aka bigazz, guys a head case. Deserves a suspension if he truly did submit a petition on my behalf. I've never met a bigger lying sack of scum in game, avoid him if possible as hes a bad player and a worse person, if you attempt to move past him in a zone he will proceed to cry in tells to you about how shitty his life is.

[Alovia]

I feel like I keep repeating myself..

How are logs themselves going to assist in settling camp disputes?

They arent, they assist us. Alot of time we can compare logs and use it to help us make a determination. There is no ONE solution that is going to solve everything. We are still going to talk to everyone involved, get their story. Combined with FRAPs, Logs, our logs, what we witness etc etc will ALL go to making a determination/desision.


Are player logs really used to determine the details of a disputr?
That seems quite unfair, don't the gm's have access to the same logs?
Why risk a spiteful person submitting doctored logs/screenshots to get back at superior players of whom they are jealous? There isn't a better way to determine what was said by both sides?

Yes and no. We can get an insite to what the player sees with their logs. Its just another tool.



I've been threatened with petition by folks in kc who claim camps an clear half of the area. In those situations they leave half of a camp up and if someone else comes along and grabs mobs in their camp which they weren't killing in the first place, the person rages.


9 out of 10 times camp disputes turn into a he said she said issue.


The dude went ape shit, trash talking all 6 members of the group and said he can't wait till a gm sees the logs so that my other character would be banned.


Logs in this case would be helpfull. If its obvious player/group harassment, its a no brainer. Its not really a camp dispute anymore.

However, if its in direct tells, you have a thing called /ignore.


After this I proceeded to abuse him in tells for being a spiteful fuck, and I'm willing to bet all that was included in whatever petition he submitted. How in this case would logs help at all? They would only show me calling the guy an idiot for claiming lcy was camped when he had alreadyaccepted a group invite to basement? I mean I told him it was my mob he was trying to steal and he just became angry and ignorant. Why should people be forced to play nice with jackasses like this?


I normally stay out of issues that are taken to tells because of /ignore. I dont even consider stuff like that usefull execept that you may need to get you mouth washed out with soap.

Sometimes things are witnessed different from different players. You may feel wronged but so does he. We cannot take sides in matters. I listen to each equally. And as I said before. I prefer it 100% if the players can come up with a desision on their own.


Also, people who submit false petitions should be perma ip banned, same goes for 2 boxers and rmt'ers.


Everyone plays differently. So naturally some people think small things are big issues to them.. False or not, we still talk to them.



Corpse disputes are one of the hardest things for us to decifer. So far for me, I have not had an issue poping in, and being able to talk it out with both sides in agreement. If both players are coorperative then its goes nice and smoothly.

A big issue with this is the Pained Soul. Alot of people like to sit there and go afk. Players will come up and be like "you there?" no response after several times. etc etc. and start killling.

PLayer comes back from AFK and claims camp taken over! Well in the rules, to hold a camp you must be present and able to kill.

I normally find player logs helpful in this case, because I can see the time they started to ask if he was AFK or not. to when he started to attack mobs for the first time in his logs, and compare them to ours.

In cases like this, logs are extremly helpful.

This is not the case ALL the time, and realize EVERY SITUATION is different.

Logs will NEVER be the sole reason a desision is made... its just helpful

I am not saying logs are going to be the answer. My chime in orginally was is that its a good idea. Its not going to hurt you, your not doing anything more than your already doing now. It just helps paint a better picture IFthe situation escalated.

[Tasslehofp99]

Cool, good to know.

Personally prefer screenshots/fraps over logs because they can provide a context for the situation, and they're harder to doctor up.

[quido]

I keep a camera behind me pointed at me and my monitor recording so if I ever have to I can prove that I was not only at the camp in the game, but also at present at my computer and able to kill.

Better safe than sorry.

[Tasslehofp99]

I keep a camera behind me pointed at me and my monitor recording so if I ever have to I can prove that I was not only at the camp in the game, but also at present at my computer and able to kill.

Better safe than sorry.

Lol that's dedication right there.

[Alovia]

Cool, good to know.

Personally prefer screenshots/fraps over logs because they can provide a context for the situation, and they're harder to doctor up.

Logs are easy enough to run all the time, l
so might as well run to with ss and fraps. Time stamps on logs useful. Don't really get that with ss.

[joppykid]

Must be something in the water at this camp. When i did this camp way back some guy showed up after I had been there A few hours. Didn't say anything then starts saying don't fall asleep now, then every ten minutes ask if I was awake. Told him I'd send him a tell after I killed him to let him know the timer and said he'd wait. I ended up getting a fishing pole after 6 hours never went back.

Not as bad as this guys experience though.
I see people that act like this as the guy in the South Park WoW episode that is killing everyone. Zetas for sure has a carpal tunnel brace.

[Briscoe]

I don't doubt at least 10 camp lawyers have read this and are preparing to grief people in various places. It's a shame the GMs are so shackled, but at least on this occasiona Zetas was not only denied the kill but also denied the earring ;)

As you said so eloquently in another thread on a similar topic...

young camp lawyers all scribbling this down

[Kekephee]

I'm curious about GMs' position that logs assist them in handling these situations, because I thought GMs had access to a world log of some sort that shows everything that happens? Wouldn't using that (using find feature) essentially be the same as using player-submitted logs? Obviously the world-log is going to be bigger, but once you've located the right data, shouldn't it be essentially the exact same log data as the players', except I suppose more accurate since you can see a chronological relationship rather than two separate logs that just show each players' blah blah blah blah blah

[Swish]

I think if the GMs told everyone everything they could see, people would adjust their behaviour - best to keep some things under wraps.

[SupaflyIRL]

9 out of 10 times camp disputes turn into a he said she said issue.

So what you're saying is that 9/10 times people don't provide proper screenshots or logs. When people don't, you force them to random.

What I take away from this is that you can go into any camp you want, be a dick, and have a 50/50 shot at stealing the camp with a GM seal of approval.

[Swish]

What people should be taking away is to keep their logs running, screenshot the evil mofos that think they can walk in and take over a camp...and with that, the offender will get a good chance at a suspension.

Personally I'd tighten right up on it, give people 3 strikes or the account gets perma banned. Caught being the 2nd guy there and KS'ing 3 times? Have fun on EQmac.

[rahmani]

Think I'll throw in my two cents, I was running around Qeynos on my bard ruining my faction and Noolash helped me transfer several items to her from my Wizard (Rahmani). Since I am bound there, I would just port to EC then gate back.

So, the first 3 times I gated back for Noolash to hand my bard weapons, Zetas was not there. Then after I was killing guards on my bard (I know) for about 30 minutes, Noolash says Zetas pops in and summons a pet.

[goldages05]

Wow,

I'm in awe over this thread. First off, your pictures don't mean a thing. I killed Hadden via pet and then you snared(thanks for that).

Your getting bent out of shape even though you got the earring, im still there camping him.

Whats the issue?

No ks was done.

So stop crying and enjoy your earring. Rep is rep. lol

[Sithel1988]

lol one time in was in blackburrow and wanted to join this retarded lvl 57 shaman who powerleveling this lvl 8 SK. so i asked if my lvl 9 enc could join and he said sorry. so o logged in my 46 mag to blackburrow, quickly showed him i can destroy the whole zone. he then invited me to PL with his SK friend :D

[Shamen]

Located you EQ.ini file. Its in the everquest folder. WHen you open it up there will be a bunch of text.

Somewhere in that line it says Log=FALSE, change FALSE to TRUE, so Log=TRUE. Save the file.

This will turn it on all the time, every time you play any character.

Just a fair warning though, you forget about the log.text file, and then the file gets huge. It does not really bog stuff down, but trying to find something in it may take awhile.

Personally for me, I take my logs every week and save them, normally just rename the .txt file to something like Alovia_March1-9.txt

Then the next time I log on, the log file creates a new txt file with the proper title.

In turn, if you just want logs whenever you NEED them, for example, maybe you want to play it safe with auctions or trade. Everytime your on your trade you can just do /log on, and /log off. If you do it this way, if you forget to /log off, everytime you physically log out of the game or crash, the logs stop.

thanks a lot!!!

[India]

Wow,

I'm in awe over this thread. First off, your pictures don't mean a thing. I killed Hadden via pet and then you snared(thanks for that).

Your getting bent out of shape even though you got the earring, im still there camping him.

Whats the issue?

No ks was done.

So stop crying and enjoy your earring. Rep is rep. lol

So you are Zetas?

[Mosti Cando]

I've had Zetas come follow me around high keep while I was farming swords (No one was on guards) for cash in my spare time on a weekend. His monk couldn't handle much and he was super rude, then he came on Zetas and followed me around picking off guards.

Said "I have all weekend Bud I can follow you all day" weird shit like that.

Zade came and booted him out after observing him KSing.

Zetas, the retard of the ages.

[Nordenwatch]

So you are Zetas?

That is Zetas.

[India]

Well he appears to be just as delightful on the boards as he is in game. :rolleyes:

Hopefully, if the stories are true, there will enough evidence via screenshots and logs to allow the GM's to give him his due

[Silent]

going a bit off topic here sorry, Another question regarding the changes to the UI. You have it displaying the raw hp/mana values down near AC/ATK. do you have a copy of your playerwindow xml file or a link to a thread on the forums with this change(s)?

[Kieu]

I'd be mad too if I had to wait in line for items. #YOLO

Yeah instead you have dickbags killing you when you're a lowbie just trying to level. Sounds like a better off idea.

[Arclyte]

There is only one way this should end

http://nerdfarmblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/banhammer-600x350.jpg

[Captivate]

things like this make me glad i play red.