Day 8 of my induction into Ketosis

[Shrubwise]

And this is all I can think about:

http://www.sugarushonline.com/images/mini%20choc.pretzels.jpg

Who else has tried the ketogenic diet??

[EchoedTruth]

I heard ketosis was bullshit, or at least the jury is still out on it. Is it any different from the Atkins thing?

[Knuckle]

isn't ketosis simply your body using stored fat as energy? or am i missing something here

[Shrubwise]

A Guide to Ketosis (http://josepharcita.blogspot.com/2011/03/guide-to-ketosis.html#33MM)

Yeah, it's pretty much Atkin's. It's too early on to have any definitive results, but I'll be posting my progress. My goal is to try it for 2 months and see what, if any, changes occur. Then I'll either go back to my regular diet (which is remarkably low in carbs anyways) or stay on it. The only change I made to my diet to make it ketosis-friendly is cutting out the daily apple/blueberries I ate, and adding much, much more beef/shrimp.

[Itap]

It works, and is pretty easy to follow. It's a lifestyle. If you do decide to start eating carbs again, be careful. I've known a couple dudes to put on weight really quick

[Shrubwise]

Interesting side effect: on Friday afternoon it hit me like a rock. During the first 10-30 days you can expect to feel sluggish, and moody. I didn't notice any outstanding signs of sluggish/tiredness until Friday afternoon. Almost immediately after getting home from work I felt completely drained. I went to bed at 9pm.

I woke up and vividly remembered my dream. (Which was strange because in my dream I was roofied). Then again on Saturday night, and last night, I remembered all my dreams. I read somewhere once that people who claim they do not dream, actually do; it's just that they do not remember them. I was one of those people. We're talking, I'd remember a dream once every 3, 4 years maybe. To date I only have a hand full I can really recall.

I was doing some more reading on the side effects of the diet, and stumbled across a page (I think it was the wikipedia page) which noted that sometimes people with epilepsy try the diet and it helps. Something to do with the brain using ketones as it's main source of energy helps you think clearly (after the inital 10-30 day induction "gloom" period. And yes I have definitely had an increased number of derp moments in the past couple days)

Will keep all posted. I am taking photos but like I said, it's too soon to show any change.

[SupaflyIRL]

Why not just eat normal food in moderation and lightly exercise?

[Loli Pops]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m96q3svgfH1qgaklyo1_500.jpg

[Zereh]

Why not just eat normal food in moderation and lightly exercise?

I guess if our grocery stores were filled with real food, instead of manufactured & chemical-laden crap, it probably would be that simple.

[Shrubwise]

Why not just eat normal food in moderation and lightly exercise?

I was. That's how I got to where I am today: 195 lbs. down from 306 lbs. almost exactly one decade ago.

I'm looking to take my fitness to the next level.

Ill be including my pre and post-bikram photos (~45 lbs weight loss) with my results thread!

[Tippett]

good for u dawg being fat sux

[this user was banned]

I was. That's how I got to where I am today: 195 lbs. down from 306 lbs. almost exactly one decade ago.

I'm looking to take my fitness to the next level.

Ill be including my pre and post-bikram photos (~45 lbs weight loss) with my results thread!

Try weight lifting. If you workout well, your body will be busy trying to repair the muscles using up a lot of calories. Toss the fad diets in the shitter.

[Hitchens]

Try weight lifting. If you workout well, your body will be busy trying to repair the muscles using up a lot of calories. Toss the fad diets in the shitter.

[this user was banned]

http://www.vice.com/read/rob-rhinehart-no-longer-requires-food?utm_source=vicefbus

Right now I only eat one or two conventional meals a week, but if I had any money or a girlfriend, I would probably eat out more often.

[Freeport]

Shrubwise just try intermittent fasting. It is the newest diet "type" that is out. Makes much more sense then any kind of high protein diet etc. Its really not even a diet but I've seen it work in a few friends they drop tons of weight and don't really change very much food options.

[Raavak]

Try weight lifting. If you workout well, your body will be busy trying to repair the muscles using up a lot of calories. Toss the fad diets in the shitter.

http://startingstrength.com/

Don't cut out too many calories or you will do alot of damage to your metabolism. Excersise to encourage your metabolism to keep going. Weight lift to increase your metabolism.

And make it a lifestyle, not a phase. You have to live it to really make it work.

The nutrition guy on Starting Strength is a really good source.

[this user was banned]

http://www.vice.com/read/rob-rhinehart-no-longer-requires-food?utm_source=vicefbus

If only you people knew exacly what the US puts in the food, you would probabley not want to eat the same.

Theres a lot of 'poisons' that were banned from being put into food a looooong time ago, the US just decides hey lets put this in peoples food.

I'm calling bullshit, name one poison, cite the WHO on human tolerance levels and prove that it exceeded that quantity in any food on the US market that is legally still for sale.

[SupaflyIRL]

Stay on the perimeter of the supermarket (fruits/veggies/meats/milk/eggs) aside from going into the center for staples like bread, rice, oats, and spices.

Go to the gym and do Bill Starr's Linear/Madcow 5x5. ( http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=120023931&page=1 )

You really can't get any simpler than that and you'll have the body of a pro athlete in under 2 years.

e: the reason you are tired and moody is because you are starving yourself, and your body will panic and start storing everything you eat as soon as you get off because it's pretty sure you're trying to starve yourself too

e2: this works both ways, if you're fat and trying to get in shape, or if you're skinny and trying to put on muscle mass

[SupaflyIRL]

"starvation mode" is a myth, and whoever warns you at length about it (see above) is guaranteed fat as hell irl.

your metabolic rate will not suddenly plummet so much that you will hoard calories and gain weight

fatshit logic: "Okay, so all you have to do to lose weight is ... eat more food! Wow, isn't that awesome."

are you telling me my advice will turn people fat because wow

also I'm very much in shape

e: even if it's not direct causation the correlation between starvation diets and what happens to a person (be it physically or psychologically) after they go back to a "normal" diet is why no reputable nutritionist would recommend a ketosis diet over a balanced diet of moderation

[this user was banned]

I think what he means is that there are a bunch of things the rest of the world finds unsafe that the USA lets slide because of big money and lobbyist. For example GMO corn and NutraSweet in milk, it doesn't hurt to have the former pres of Monsanto as the new comish of the FDA. Fuck they're putting NutraSweet in baby food now and trying to get a law passed so that they don't have to fucking put it on the god damn label.

I read an article once that claimed "sugar" if it were just discovered and a new product wouldn't be fit or safe for human consumption, I'm sure that's an exaggeration but you see what I mean

Mark Lynas, the man that got GMO banned in the UK, now speaks for GMO crops after learning the science behind it and no longer succumbing to fearmongering.
source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf86QYf4Suo

Artificial sweeteners have not been shown in any legitimate scientific studies to be harmful unless ingested in very large volumes which would be unrealistic for any human to consume.

Protip: anything is pretty much a "poison" if ingested in the right quantity.

[this user was banned]

"The entire process by which GMO seeds have been approved in the United States, beginning with the proclamation by then President George H.W. Bush in 1992, on request of Monsanto, that no special Government tests of safety for GMO seeds would be conducted because they were deemed by the President to be “substantially equivalent” to non-GMO seeds"

oh, no worries Bush said they're ok, never mind.

No need to think twice......

The seeds are grown not eaten. Studies were done on the resultant crops, no issues found. People have been eating GMO crops (and by-products of) for decades now anyway, arguing a decline in health as a result without any form of causality is pointless. Regardless, I believe that testing is not needed if it can be shown that the product could have arisen through evolutionary means. If this quote is even true, how did Bush come to that agreement if his agreement is even binding anyway, which I think it isn't. Your argument is irrelevant and invalid. I'm tempted to start studying bio-engineering just so I can debunk all this crap like I've done with the creationists arguing against evolution.

[big_ole_jpn]

awful thread.

buy a bike.

[Deanob]

A Guide to Ketosis (http://josepharcita.blogspot.com/2011/03/guide-to-ketosis.html#33MM)

Yeah, it's pretty much Atkin's. It's too early on to have any definitive results, but I'll be posting my progress. My goal is to try it for 2 months and see what, if any, changes occur. Then I'll either go back to my regular diet (which is remarkably low in carbs anyways) or stay on it. The only change I made to my diet to make it ketosis-friendly is cutting out the daily apple/blueberries I ate, and adding much, much more beef/shrimp.

I did it for about two months and instantly lost 10 lbs. Worked like a charm.

I kept sugar out of my diet now and slowly re introduced carbs but only eat it when I know I'm active that day such as my sports or lots of walking etc.

[Aaron]

Please try, I encourage you to read up on the subject you assume you know so much about, start with the articles I posted in the gmo thread you might actually learn something

Aren't you fat as shit though?

[senna]

I've done it. It works but its a pain in the ass and it requires way too much effort.

There is no metabolic advantage with keto over any other diet. So I say just do a caloric deficit with a normal macro split.

Exercise suffers in ketosis, breath stinks, carb cravings suck. Really the reason 99% of people do ketosis is so they can stuff their face with bacon.

[Quiksilver]

I, for one, love fad diets. In a /popcorn way, though.

They're all gimmicks. Just new ways to burn more calories than consumed.

[Knuckle]

meat, veggies, fats. thats what im doing. and weight lifting, football on sundays when i can. of course, i ate fried peanut butter and jelly sandwhich with bananas for breakfast at metro diner, so i fall off the wagon occasionally, i think that's what their talking about people gaining weight real fast x_x


I'd say the biggest reason I support Paleo is I have never once when eating a proper paleo meal felt sluggish afterwards, and I used to be a pretty solid proponent of whole grains until I actually measured my bodies response after eating a meal with pasta carbs of any kind.

[SupaflyIRL]

I've done it. It works but its a pain in the ass and it requires way too much effort.

There is no metabolic advantage with keto over any other diet. So I say just do a caloric deficit with a normal macro split.

Exercise suffers in ketosis, breath stinks, carb cravings suck. Really the reason 99% of people do ketosis is so they can stuff their face with bacon.

This, minus the "done it" thing.

The best thing you can do is keep a food journal on one of the major websites like *fitday where you can enter in your meals and it gives you a rough macro/micronutrient breakdown so you can get an idea of what exactly is going into your body so you can estimate on your own on the fly later on in life.

The "requires effort" thing is why nearly all fad diets fail, because its something that requires constant effort whereas a caloric deficit is something that doesn't require nearly as much attention and can be maintained indefinitely as long as you can retain what you learned while actually logging your food (i.e. knowing how many calories in a slice of bread, cheese, an egg, a chicken breast etc). That's something you can do for the rest of your life. If you didn't have the willpower to not get fat in the first place how in the hell are you going to keep up with such a high maintenance eating regimen for the rest of your life?

*(disclaimer: haven't paid this much attention to my diet in years so not sure of the sites that are good now)

[stormlord]

Be careful about eating too many eggs:
http://scienceblog.com/56078/egg-yolk-consumption-almost-as-bad-as-smoking-when-it-comes-to-atherosclerosis/#8YFUaG1KBmUfFjof.99
Newly published research led by Dr. David Spence of Western University, Canada, shows that eating egg yolks accelerates atherosclerosis in a manner similar to smoking cigarettes. Surveying more than 1200 patients, Dr. Spence found regular consumption of egg yolks is about two-thirds as bad as smoking when it comes to increased build-up of carotid plaque, a risk factor for stroke and heart attack. The research is published online in the journal Atherosclerosis.
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“The mantra ‘eggs can be part of a healthy diet for healthy people’ has confused the issue. It has been known for a long time that a high cholesterol intake increases the risk of cardiovascular events, and egg yolks have a very high cholesterol content. In diabetics, an egg a day increases coronary risk by two to five-fold,” says Dr. Spence, a Professor of Neurology at Western’s Schulich School of Medicine & Dentistry and the Director of its Stroke Prevention and Atherosclerosis Research Centre (SPARC) at the Robarts Research Institute. “What we have shown is that with aging, plaque builds up gradually in the arteries of Canadians, and egg yolks make it build up faster – about two-thirds as much as smoking. In the long haul, egg yolks are not okay for most Canadians.”
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Read more at http://scienceblog.com/56078/egg-yolk-consumption-almost-as-bad-as-smoking-when-it-comes-to-atherosclerosis/#3lWqlqLSBXpETVFH.99

Watch out for high fat meats (stick to lean chicken/turkey; boil it preferably):
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2225355/A-bacon-butty-breakfast-health-time-bomb-bun.html

Here're some recommendations from webmd:
http://women.webmd.com/guide/heart-healthy-diet

However, note that on the webmed site they mention that it's safe to have 1 egg a day, but the link I posted up above seems to contradict this information. Just 3 or more eggs per week was associated with significantly more plaque in the arteries. So be careful about what advice you take.

Also keep in mind that it's a lot easier to get Choline (a critical compound used to produce Acetylcholine which is important for brain functioning) from animal-based foods. Egg yolks, for example, have a very high amount of Choline. But again, be carful! It's a mine field out there.

Here's a list I made for foods containing Choline that're maybe more safe to eat than eggs:

Vegetables:
Collard Greens
Cauliflower
Swiss Chard
Spinach
Potato (sweet potatoes are best; healthier - stay away from the non-colored potatoes)
Asparagus
Green Peas
Broccoli
Brussels Sprouts
Green Beans
Avocado
Tomoatoes
Cucumber
Zucchini
Lettuce

Mushrooms:
Shiitake
Crimini
Portobella
Maitake

Miscellaneous:
Fish
Low-fat Yogurt
Soybeans (whole or fermented is recommended)
Peanuts, Sesame Seeds, Almonds
Lentils, Navy Beans
Oats, Barley, Flax seeds

I'd eat 1 egg a week. A little lean meat here and there ain't bad for you, either. But if you're against eating meat, you can find supplements easily enough. Just have to do the research. It's harder to get the nutrients you need without supplements if you choose not to eat meat. It's possible, but much harder.

Absolutely stay away from refined carbs like breads. Pasta's are ok if you mix them with foods that lower the glycemic index, but generally it's not good to eat foods that're refined like that.

Refined carbs + added sugars = bad bad bad. People get addicted to it too. It's an epidemic. It's just as bad with the fried fatty foods that're popular across the world. Both are like the devil's food.

[Knuckle]

im finding it real hard with my work schedule to find the time to cook up a paleo diet, i find myself bending the rules and eating way more fruit than i should by grabbing island green smoothies with no sugar and adding a scoop of whey protein on the way to work from trop smoothie. im probably eating 2-3 smoothies a day, but ive also gone back to heavy lifting so its a pretty convenient way to get half my daily protein intake without having to cook.