Diff in proc rate between 100dex-200dex?

[VincentVolaju]

Wondering how much dex actually makes a diff with how often a weapon will proc? Im trying to find high dex pieces, but cant find that many (grosq mask, cloak of shadows, thats about it). My dex will realistically be around 120-140 ish. How much of a diff will that make how often my wep procs, compared to if I had 200+?

[Splorf22]

ppm = dex/255 OH, and 2x that MH

[Tecmos Deception]

What Splorf said.

I should pull a Splorf and make a useful guide to answer all of the typical questions we see on the forums. The proc rate one comes up pretty often, and every time, I end up searching for the thread where a dev explains it (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=303374&postcount=144). Lol.

You'd have to make HUGE hp/ac/stam (I'm assuming you're a warrior) sacrifices to boost your dex from 120-140 up to 200+. Plus you only need like 170-180 dex to hit the cap with shaman (and potentially enchanter and bard) buffs.

[VincentVolaju]

What Splorf said.

I should pull a Splorf and make a useful guide to answer all of the typical questions we see on the forums. The proc rate one comes up pretty often, and every time, I end up searching for the thread where a dev explains it (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=303374&postcount=144). Lol.

You'd have to make HUGE hp/ac/stam (I'm assuming you're a warrior) sacrifices to boost your dex from 120-140 up to 200+. Plus you only need like 170-180 dex to hit the cap with shaman (and potentially enchanter and bard) buffs.

Thanks for info! Actually it's a Shaman =).

[webrunner5]

I am not a big fan of Proc weapons at all. As you can see in the Link you go from MAYBE 1 proc to 1.5 Procs in a typical high end fight time frame by doubling you Dex. A pretty sad trade off for Str, Sta, HP stats I think. Look at how many times you have to try and get the Workers Sledge Mallet to proc at times..

[dmann253]

I am not a big fan of Proc weapons at all. As you can see in the Link you go from MAYBE 1 proc to 1.5 Procs in a typical high end fight time frame by doubling you Dex. A pretty sad trade off for Str, Sta, HP stats I think. Look at how many times you have to try and get the Workers Sledge Mallet to proc at times..

I don't think any warrior is a "fan" of proc weapons. Simply put however is that there isn't a sufficient trade off to not rely on proc weapons especially at higher levels. That is why you see every non epic warrior with a sarnak hammer/whip. We simply do not maintain the dps to keep hate vs. other classes abilities. One could argue otherwise with V.P. ratios etc. but, given the availability of weapons and our abilities we do not have burst abilities with any sort of decent cool down to maintain aggro with pure dps. Most warriors are slaves to their dex stat, and ability to proc. Whether or not that stat is important vs. the ability to take hits is irrelevant. You must possess the abillity to maintain the hits first and foremost. Unless you are a "high end" warrior, dex is one of the most important stats, period.

This view however is only a problem with multiple mobs. Single boss tanking is one of the more trivial aspects of tanking in this era given the availability of midnight mallet, puppet strings, slow crystal, root webs, etc.

[RahlaeRuffian]

I think I'm at 127 unbuffed on my warrior. It took a little while to get my dex up that high as a barbarian and I still want to get a few more pieces but I've noticed that I proc more when I'm in groups, etc. Assuming you are a warrior...a couple of pieces you may want to check out are Forrest Loops, Carnal Pauldrons, and the Silken Cat Fur Girdle (took a while doing the forager/hunter cycles to get this). It also depends on your race. Dark Elves get some really nice dex stats iirc on their cultural gear. Dwarves do too I believe. Some of the gear you'll get from Hate will add some nice dex as well.

[Splorf22]

Here is the problem: it doesn't matter how much hp/ac you have if the enchanter is tanking. The simple truth is that there is no good solution until VP/epic. About the best you can do is make friends with a shaman or two. A good shaman will make even a poorly geared tank look pretty good (+800HP for CH, slow on tough mobs, +50 dex for procs, +50 str for extra damage, and so on).

Anyway the OP is in fact a shaman himself (I'm guessing a barbarian with the Spiritist's hammer). Personally I think its a bit overrated - at 50+ and especially at 56+ your best bet is root rot a ton of stuff with the epic dot and a few plagues thrown in here and there. But I can see the appeal to the battleshaman. Sometimes I've considered making a halfling 'paladin' (cleric) :D With the crazy dwarven armor AC would actually be ok . . . .

[Estu]

ppm = dex/255 OH, and 2x that MH

That's a nice simple formula. I remember reading a couple of years ago on the forum that DEX only made a difference at huge leaps, like between 100 and 199 dex you'd have the same proc rate but at 200 it would increase or something like that. I guess that was wrong? This formula also means there's no soft cap, which is unusual.

[pharmakos]

only 2 procs per minute at 255 dex?

in light of that idk if its worth sacrificing weapon ratio in exchange for good procs (which i've been saying for awhile)

so many higher level warriors get confused when they can't hold agro with their dual SSoYs :rolleyes:

[Metallikus]

according to rogaens code, aggro can be maintained with 2 fast weapons rather than procs. 4/11 , 3/10 combo comes to mind unless they finally nerfed the whip...

[VincentVolaju]

Ive got another question about the same thing. I am using my wep (Yes the Barb Spirit Hammer), I am only in my 20s right now so it wont proc yet. However atleast 3-4 times during a normal 30sec-1min fight Ill get the "Your will is not sufficient enough" message. Does everytime that message come up, mean that I would of proced? Because I only have around 100dex or so at the moment, and 3-4 prics in 1 fight apparently would require much more dex then 255. So I am a little confused?

[quido]

BSH has a higher inherent proc rate, or it should!

[KotBK]

Yeah the formula shouldn't be applied to all weapons since there are weapons that go beyond the normal scope (ex. Blade of the Black Dragon Eye, ringed mace of the ykesha, and rod of mourning to name a few). Those weapons are legacy items and were removed from game on live because of their unique power over other weapons simply put, there is a longer explanation but the proc rate was one of them.

[pharmakos]

^^ are those weapons confirmed to have a higher proc rate on p99?

[VincentVolaju]

So some weapons (Hopefully my BSH), will actually proc more often then what the actual formula says it should? And upping my dex will just further increase that?

Edit: A little off topic but you guys seem to know what youre talking about. Was wondering if any of you knew of my nice dex items that a Barb Sham can use on Helm / Arms / Legs? I need to bring me up dex up much more, but I can't wear some of the normal dex items (Exe hood for example).

[Pyrocat]

ppm = dex/255 OH, and 2x that MH

Thanks, I've added that and Kanras' explanation of DEX/Proc mechanics to the F.A.Q. (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1002)

[Splorf22]

Rofl ready Kanras' explanations my formula wasn't quite right. You'll get a few more procs at lower levels. It's actually 0.25 + 0.75*dex/255. Oh well.

[Pyrocat]

Actually now that I look at the code more, if 0 DEX = 0.5 proc rate and 255 DEX = 2.0 proc rate for main hand, shouldn't it be something like

PPM = (DEX/170) + 0.5

that way 0 DEX = 0.5 proc per minute and 255 DEX = (255/170) + .5 = 2.0 proc per minute

[VincentVolaju]

according to rogaens code, aggro can be maintained with 2 fast weapons rather than procs. 4/11 , 3/10 combo comes to mind unless they finally nerfed the whip...


How true is this? And what weps are you referring to as 4/11 and 3/10? Im not sure I even know of any weps that are that fast, unless maybe the twig?

[Jzendo]

Ive got another question about the same thing. I am using my wep (Yes the Barb Spirit Hammer), I am only in my 20s right now so it wont proc yet. However atleast 3-4 times during a normal 30sec-1min fight Ill get the "Your will is not sufficient enough" message. Does everytime that message come up, mean that I would of proced? Because I only have around 100dex or so at the moment, and 3-4 prics in 1 fight apparently would require much more dex then 255. So I am a little confused?

Yes, every time you see that message would have been a proc. BSH is one of the big-ticket items because based on my own experience and what I've heard from others, it procs more per fight than most weapons.