Naive People are Dangerous

[EchoedTruth]

Beware of stupid people... you can find them on your streets, at your office, and even on your TV. Signs of stupid people can be widely varying, and may include:

- Blaming objects for the actions of people (guns, drugs)
- Blaming animals/children for being raised by stupid people and in-turn, acting out.
- Blaming random forms of entertainment for the actions of stupid people (movies, video games)
- Trying to find something to blame when the fault lies in this society's lack of emphasis on education, respect of one's fellow human beings, and lack of concern for others.

Spread the word!

[killaessedai]

You lack insight into a lot of things you are speaking of. You talk of respect and stupidity, while posting disrespectful and arrogant posts. You are trying to make a good point, but are using sweeping generalizations, while behaving in a manner similar to what you are speaking against.

[EchoedTruth]

You lack insight into a lot of things you are speaking of. You talk of respect and stupidity, while posting disrespectful and arrogant posts. You are trying to make a good point, but are using sweeping generalizations, while behaving in a manner similar to what you are speaking against.

You lack the ability to process sarcasm, and see the inherent truths behind such :D

Edit: Just wondering, what is disrespectful and/or arrogant and/or generalizing (the irony being that you are generalizing my statements without posting specifics; while trying to call me out for generalizing ... is ... yea), in my statement?

[killaessedai]

You mirrored xenu's thread after calling everyone morons, this thread in itself is veiled disrespect.
I agree with a lot of the points you are making, but being generalizations they are kind of misleading. Everyone is to blame for their own actions, but to pretend that there isn't factors that contribute is insanity. The contradiction is even in your post.

- Blaming random forms of entertainment for the actions of stupid people (movies, video games)
- Trying to find something to blame when the fault lies in this society's lack of emphasis on education, respect of one's fellow human beings, and lack of concern for others.

You say its stupid to blame random forms of entertainment because the fault lies in society's lack of respect of one's fellow human beings, and lack of concern for others.
Yet in a lot of ways our entertainment (music, violent video games, violent movies) contributes to our society having a lack of respect for fellow human beings and concern for others. Am i blaming these things? No, because the blame lies with the person.
I agree with your main point, but taking a perspective like yours almost destroys any possibility to talk of external factors that influenced someone's decision.

Another example is you say its stupid to blame drugs for a person's decision. There is a lot of crime that would have never been committed if not for drugs. Ultimately the person is to blame, but it's an aggravating factor that can't be ignored.

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Drugs are very powerful, you make the decision to take them, but sometimes the decisions made while on them are a lot different then the one you would make while not on them.

You can't just go oops its just stupid people, looking at things that happen that lead to people making horrible decisions is important.

[killaessedai]

It wasn't the exact spirit of your post.
But considering Ive been accused of blaming video games, movies, and music for gun violence when all i did was suggest that such things probably have a lot bigger impact on school shootings than a gun, I felt the need to go into this.
It almost seems like it has become too easy to discredit someone's view on certain subjects just by saying they are blaming this or that, when all a lot of people are doing are pointing out external factors contributing to what happened. Then it almost seems all dialogue on that subject is destroyed, because you are blaming something else and not the person.

Dialogue is important.

[EchoedTruth]

You mirrored xenu's thread after calling everyone morons, this thread in itself is veiled disrespect.
I agree with a lot of the points you are making, but being generalizations they are kind of misleading. Everyone is to blame for their own actions, but to pretend that there isn't factors that contribute is insanity. The contradiction is even in your post.

- Blaming random forms of entertainment for the actions of stupid people (movies, video games)
- Trying to find something to blame when the fault lies in this society's lack of emphasis on education, respect of one's fellow human beings, and lack of concern for others.

You say its stupid to blame random forms of entertainment because the fault lies in society's lack of respect of one's fellow human beings, and lack of concern for others.
Yet in a lot of ways our entertainment (music, violent video games, violent movies) contributes to our society having a lack of respect for fellow human beings and concern for others. Am i blaming these things? No, because the blame lies with the person.
I agree with your main point, but taking a perspective like yours almost destroys any possibility to talk of external factors that influenced someone's decision.

Another example is you say its stupid to blame drugs for a person's decision. There is a lot of crime that would have never been committed if not for drugs. Ultimately the person is to blame, but it's an aggravating factor that can't be ignored.

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Drugs are very powerful, you make the decision to take them, but sometimes the decisions made while on them are a lot different then the one you would make while not on them.

You can't just go oops its just stupid people, looking at things that happen that lead to people making horrible decisions is important.


I can't possibly begin to agree with your point. While you make it eloquently - I grew up watching Aliens, Predator, all the bloody, violent, 80s and 90s movies, and games. I would never hurt a fly. I apologize to bugs if I have to kill them. The only time I would ever raise my hand in violence is to defend someone being attacked and/or myself. I grew up surrounded by violent games, movies, media, etc... and I would consider myself a very strong pacifist. I like violent games/movies because they give me an outlet for my frustrations (when I have them). I am the way I am because my mother raised me to respect and love my fellow human beings and other animals we share this planet with. If it were not for her, I would likely be different - not because of violent media, but because I lacked the strong foundation of mutual respect, appreciation, and peaceful nature.

[killaessedai]

You don't see my point, because you are only looking at it from your perspective.
You're not everyone and your situation is far different than other people.

If it were not for her, I would likely be different - not because of violent media, but because I lacked the strong foundation of mutual respect, appreciation, and peaceful nature.


In this society your mother is one of the few places to gain that foundation. Without it you would have been lost in a violent, cruel world, with very few voices of sanity. Can we only blame the parents when children do violent things? Especially when you realize the parents are about the only people teaching these things nowadays, and everything else you see tells you to be the opposite.


- Trying to find something to blame when the fault lies in this society's lack of emphasis on education, respect of one's fellow human beings, and lack of concern for others.


You said it yourself man....
Part of society is not just us humans but TV, music, and video games.

[EchoedTruth]

You don't see my point, because you are only looking at it from your perspective.
You're not everyone and your situation is far different than other people.



In this society your mother is one of the few places to gain that foundation. Without it you would have been lost in a violent, cruel world, with very few voices of sanity. Can we only blame the parents when children do violent things? Especially when you realize the parents are about the only people teaching these things nowadays, and everything else you see tells you to be the opposite.




You said it yourself man....
Part of society is not just us humans but TV, music, and video games.
You completely missed the point.













We should be well-grounded, moral, and respectful enough of each other and this planet to be able to interpret art as art. Max Payne 3 was a gruesome video game, but it had a powerful story to tell. In my opinion it is art. Violence in real life, is deplorable. There is a clear distinction, and people should not have an issue seeing that.
Respect and understanding.

[killaessedai]

As long as violence exists in movies and games it will exist in this world. You're deluding yourself to think otherwise. I'm not saying remove all violent movies, but there will always be violence in this world as long as we continue to consume it like we do.

[Kagatob]

Another example is you say its stupid to blame drugs for a person's decision. There is a lot of crime that would have never been committed if not for drugs. Ultimately the person is to blame, but it's an aggravating factor that can't be ignored.

Drugs are very powerful, you make the decision to take them, but sometimes the decisions made while on them are a lot different then the one you would make while not on them.

You can't just go oops its just stupid people, looking at things that happen that lead to people making horrible decisions is important.

It is stupid to blame the drugs/alcohol, it's the person's fault, nobody held a gun to the person's head and told them to get intoxicated/high in the first place, it's society's fault for even allowing the type of culture to exist in the first place. "Blaming society" is something different you might say? Not from what I'm looking at, it's a society of people, who are all contributing to the problem.

You will never, under any circumstance see me show any remorse or pity for anyone who tries to make themselves a 'victem' after deciding to go out binge drinking or shooting up which results in something bad happening. You're inviting disaster no matter what way you look at it.

As long as violence exists in movies and games it will exist in this world. You're deluding yourself to think otherwise. I'm not saying remove all violent movies, but there will always be violence in this world as long as we continue to consume it like we do.

Gotta take out the internet and burn all of the history books then.

Part of the 'entertainment' is making a statement about the things that you aren't in fact supposed to do or more accurately, things that wouldn't be a good idea (both intelligently and morally) to do.

[killaessedai]

I've said quite a few times I'm not trying to say blame anyone. I am saying we should put these things into perspective.
I'm not saying remove these things. I'm saying they contribute to the violence in society. Humans are extremely violent creatures though. I know we enjoy violent video games and movies, because we enjoy violence. It seems a lot of people delude themselves to these type of things. I understand there is cause and effect. This world isn't just evil person kills! There is a lot of circumstances that contribute to that person killing. In quite a few instances if we experienced these same circumstances, most of us would be in the same position. I believe keeping it real in this world only leads to death or imprisonment.

[killaessedai]

I'm just kind of amazed we live in a society where you can watch all kinds of brutality on TV, and then we act amazed and surprised school shootings take place. Then we pretend violent video games and tv did nothing to contribute to it. It's bull shit. I'm not saying blame anything, I am saying if you think those factors did nothing to contribute to things like sandy hook and shootings in Aurora, then imo you are lying to yourself.
People who truly deplore violence don't watch it 24/7 on tv. You reap what you sow when you throw out a billion seeds of violence you can not be surprised when they start taking root.

[myriverse]

As long as violence exists in movies and games it will exist in this world. You're deluding yourself to think otherwise. I'm not saying remove all violent movies, but there will always be violence in this world as long as we continue to consume it like we do.
You have that backwards. Art imitates life. Our art forms are violent because we are violent. Not all of us, of course, but we are, as a species. For all of the violence in art that you are condemning, you fail to notice that in our society, violence is at an all-time low. Surely, our entertainment activities must be on the right path.

How about we stop looking for scapegoats and blame the individual when he/she falls? And this applies to animals, as well. Johnny shoots up his school because of a defect in him, not because he played too much Call of Duty and GTA or D&D or listened to too much death metal, etc. It wasn't even because he was picked on or his parents abused him. It was his defect.

[EchoedTruth]

You have that backwards. Art imitates life. Our art forms are violent because we are violent. Not all of us, of course, but we are, as a species. For all of the violence in art that you are condemning, you fail to notice that in our society, violence is at an all-time low. Surely, our entertainment activities must be on the right path.

How about we stop looking for scapegoats and blame the individual when he/she falls? And this applies to animals, as well. Johnny shoots up his school because of a defect in him, not because he played too much Call of Duty and GTA or D&D or listened to too much death metal, etc. It wasn't even because he was picked on or his parents abused him. It was his defect.

Sums up my point quite well.

[killaessedai]

All of you fail at reading comprehension. I'm not blaming anyone or looking for a scapegoat. I am saying when you keep up a culture of violence, and glorify a society full of violence, the defect becomes the society and the person. Just because violence is at all time low does not mean entertainment is the cause of this. It's more about a revolution of people's minds causing this. The way i see it the art then becomes something holding us back from transforming even more and ultimately having even less violence. Saying this person just had a defect is profoundly ignorant and the epitome of human arrogance. If i beat the shit out of you everyday and you don't want to kill me, there is something wrong with you. By your reasoning there would be something wrong with a woman who is being abused to kill her husband.
I'm not blaming anyone as i have stated 50 fucking times, but just because someone does something wrong doesn't mean there is something wrong with them. EVERYONE makes bad decisions. A lot of time there are factors leading to these bad decisions. You can only blame the person for their mistakes, but just demonizing someone without looking at what circumstances led to this problem, is a defect.

[killaessedai]

http://www.brookings.edu/research/opinions/2009/11/17-video-games-singer Do we really think it would not work in reverse?

[killaessedai]

While there are people who are just born fucked in the head, i think this a very small percent of people who commit crimes. I think the majority of people who commit crimes have been pushed to the edge by a lot of different factors. I'm not saying violent movies or video games cause this, but once they get to that point and are now surrounded by this type of society/culture you have a powder keg ready to explode. The world pushes them to this point, then our art becomes their plan. Humans when in desperation to survive will become monsters, there is a beast inside us we try to keep tamed for the sake of civilization. Just about anyone when pushed far enough will release this beast to destroy their attacker.

[EchoedTruth]

While there are people who are just born fucked in the head, i think this a very small percent of people who commit crimes. I think the majority of people who commit crimes have been pushed to the edge by a lot of different factors. I'm not saying violent movies or video games cause this, but once they get to that point and are now surrounded by this type of society/culture you have a powder keg ready to explode. The world pushes them to this point, then our art becomes their plan. Humans when in desperation to survive will become monsters, there is a beast inside us we try to keep tamed for the sake of civilization. Just about anyone when pushed far enough will release this beast to destroy their attacker.

You clearly haven't done much work in the fields of psychology/sociology. The majority of violent criminals (killers, rapists), are sociopaths - either born that way or made that way from their mind snapping under physical/emotional/sexual abuse. The people who commit violent acts beyond that are often provoked/misled (suicide bombers, bar fights). The kids who shoot up schools? Sociopaths that often broke under the stress of being bullied / being in a state of anomie. The slice of the crazy pie that media shares is at most around 5-10%... media's affect on people is completely insignificant next to other contributing factors.

GG though!

[Pico]

i didnt read any word in this thread and voted it 'terrible'

[myriverse]

A lot of time there are factors leading to these bad decisions. You can only blame the person for their mistakes, but just demonizing someone without looking at what circumstances led to this problem, is a defect.
Not a lot of the time. An extremely tiny part of the time. The only circumstance that led to the problem is the individual's defect. Newsflash: many other people are going through the same crap and are exposed to the same cultural crap. And they don't become violent. Those that do are an anomaly.

And you are, most certainly, looking for scapegoats.

[Clark]

people who don't understand cognitive intelligence are what's dangerous, realising you aren't bound to one mindframe your entire existence

[killaessedai]

Scape goats? I am just trying to understand the chaos around me. Unlike you i see it everyday. You read books and listen to what others tell you. Only a small % of people turn violent? That is bull shit. Maybe because i've lived mostly in the slums, but the majority of people i have seen turn violent at a pin drop. Oddly enough they are also some of the greatest people as friends. They keep it real, they arent twofaced, they show respect, they arent weak, theyve got your back and they keep it 100. Qualities i found lacking very heavily in the suburbs.

[killaessedai]

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[Stibe]

As long as violence exists in movies and games it will exist in this world. You're deluding yourself to think otherwise. I'm not saying remove all violent movies, but there will always be violence in this world as long as we continue to consume it like we do.

HOLD. THE FUCK. ON.

"As long as violence exists in movies and games it will exist in this world."

That is the single, most ignorant statement I have heard in my entire life.

[Tecmos Deception]

Killaessedai apparently things that violent media existed before a violent reality.

[killaessedai]

nah i know violence existed way before the media lol, but i think now the violence in the media holds the social revolution back

[killaessedai]

HOLD. THE FUCK. ON.

"As long as violence exists in movies and games it will exist in this world."

That is the single, most ignorant statement I have heard in my entire life.


that is truth... you are ignorant . go to the hood and see how real the rap game is.

[killaessedai]

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[EchoedTruth]

that is truth... you are ignorant . go to the hood and see how real the rap game is.

Dude inner city crime was a huge problem before "rap" even existed. GTFO :rolleyes:

[killaessedai]

yea it was based on real life, but yall try to dismiss people as sociopaths but in reality they are trying to survive. Their places in this world have been shattered by their environment and subliminal bigotry. A lot of these people behind bars are good people trying to get a piece of what your ancestors stole.
You say crime is committed by people who care about nothing but themselves, but this society has created such a mentality. It's almost impossible to explain how a person can't find a job because of who they are or how they look. You think a person who commits a violent crime is dirt , but when you look at it a lot of the violent crimes were committed against those less then pure.
Yall see the poor as lazy people who never tried, but in reality they are those who have been kicked over and over while they are down.
Facing the decision of millions vs 7 dollars an hour i wonder why they choose a life of crime. Especially when they feel they are forgotten by the middle and upper class.
A lot of yall cant see a black man looking like a thug without fear and coming to false conclusions.
the mixture of rap and living in the ghetto has become a trap for those trying to find a way out.
These people arent sociopaths as you say they are victims of circumstances trying to survive... spin it how you want but it's true. Something you will never understand until you live it. Maybe it's a problem with how they think, but it's something that has been planted in them since birth (from living it and then added movies and music). They dont see any other way.
They live a different life then you, one you will never understand until you live it.
You try to pretend a lot of these people killing and committing violent crimes would destroy you, but its only true if you hold such an arrogant mind state. A lot of these people only wish for a good life without worry and dont see it as possible except playing the game.
After living this shit i cant explain how many how many of the stereo types and bull shit you brought up that was destroyed. A lot of these people are some of the best friends you can have. A lot of these people committing violent crimes arent sociopaths they are just good people who may kill to save their life , but that would be the only reason they kill they just want a piece of what so many of you take for granted.

[killaessedai]

I refuse to believe my homies who have showed so much love are sociopaths. I know the truth they are victims of circumstance. say what you want, you dont prove shit. The truth is the truth. Infact my homies in the projects have shown so much love and been so real I know they are not sociopaths. If anything you mfers in the suburbs are the sociopaths, trying to demonize them based on circumstances and shit you know nothing about. The mfers in the suburbs from what i seen are the mfers that only care for themselve,s so all the bull shit you say only comes back to yo,u and these are mfers too pussy to commit a violent crime. Still they will get over on you any chance they get.
Just look at the fucking trolls on the internet, only middle class and rich white america can create such a fucking idiotic thing.

[Stibe]

that is truth... you are ignorant . go to the hood and see how real the rap game is.

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[killaessedai]

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[stormlord]

Killaessedai...

Learn more about sociopathy and psychopathy.

Here's some starting material:
http://www.prweb.com/releases/UW-Madison/psychopathic-prisoners/prweb4084984.htm
http://www.hare.org/links/saturday.html

Do that first b4 commenting about it. You know some 90% of serial killers are psychopaths.

I think poverty drives crime more than violent video games. But I have little doubt that violent video games might have an influence on some players. For that matter, games are a waste of time.

This is interesting:
http://www.dana.org/news/cerebrum/detail.aspx?id=3066
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We found reduced functioning of the corpus callosum, the band of white nerve fibers that allows communication between the left and the right cerebral hemispheres. We speculate that poor connection between hemispheres may mean that the right hemisphere, which is involved in the generation of negative emotion, 4 may be less well regulated and controlled by the inhibitory processes of the more dominant left hemisphere. This may contribute to how and whether violence is expressed. Interestingly, rats stressed early in life are right-hemisphere-dominant for mouse killing.5 Severing the corpus callosum in these rats results in an increase in mouse killing, 6 indicating that the left hemisphere normally acts to inhibit the right hemisphere’s mouse-killing tendency. Furthermore, researchers have observed inappropriate emotional expression and inability to grasp long-term implications in human split-brain patients (who have had their corpus callosum surgically severed). This suggests that such emotional expression by violent offenders, and their lack of long-term planning, may result in part from poor functioning of the corpus callosum. Callosal dysfunction, though unlikely to cause aggression, may contribute to violence in those with other limbic and cortical abnormalities.
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Research shows that peope who do violent crime more often have more activity in the emotional part of their brain and less in the reasoning part. The same research also showed that they had less activity in the prefrontal cortex. This would indicate a lesser ability to control their emotional outbursts.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1997/09/970913073401.htm

Some further reading:
http://www.cerebromente.org.br/n07/doencas/disease_i.htm

Now how prefrontal dysfunction is greater among psychopaths that did not grow up in a deprived household. This is interesting because it seems to defy the notion that poverty causes crime.

It's noted here in the link I just listed:
...Consistent with our findings through brain imaging, previous research has shown that lack of a normally developed sense of fear in schoolchildren is more often coupled with antisocial behavior if the child comes from a good home environment.10 That is, the biological deficit (poor development of fear) is found in those who display antisocial behavior but lack a social predisposition to it. Not surprisingly, the right orbitofrontal cortex seems important in fear conditioning.
He kind of continues this here:
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Most prisoners I have met who are suspected of brain dysfunction have no idea that anything is wrong with them. Often they grew up with this problem; it has always been part of them. Even when this is pointed out to them, they believe (like much of the general public) that the causes of their violence lie in poverty, unemployment, bad influences, and (sometimes, but not always), poor parenting and child abuse. They are shocked and disbelieving if I tell them that brain dysfunction and biology contribute to violence. Poverty and bad parenting, after all, can be seen and recognized; biological factors are invisible and intangible. So it is not just that the brain mechanisms underlying responsibility are damaged in the violent offender, preventing him from acting to rectify the causes of his violence. Even if he could reflect on himself, he probably would end up accusing the wrong risk factors.
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He goes on to explore the idea about what it means for society if we cannot blame a violent criminal for their actions. So instead of saying it's a moral failing, we have to say it's a biological failing.

He asks "Could this not become a license to kill?" (if we can't blame them morally and/or punish them)

[EchoedTruth]

Killaessedai...

Learn more about sociopathy and psychopathy.

Here's some starting material:
http://www.prweb.com/releases/UW-Madison/psychopathic-prisoners/prweb4084984.htm
http://www.hare.org/links/saturday.html

Do that first b4 commenting about it. You know some 90% of serial killers are psychopaths.

I think poverty drives crime more than violent video games. But I have little doubt that violent video games might have an influence on some players. For that matter, games are a waste of time.

This is interesting:
http://www.dana.org/news/cerebrum/detail.aspx?id=3066

Research shows that peope who do violent crime more often have more activity in the emotional part of their brain and less in the reasoning part. The same research also showed that they had less activity in the prefrontal cortex. This would indicate a lesser ability to control their emotional outbursts.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1997/09/970913073401.htm

Some further reading:
http://www.cerebromente.org.br/n07/doencas/disease_i.htm

Now how prefrontal dysfunction is greater among psychopaths that did not grow up in a deprived household. This is interesting because it seems to defy the notion that poverty causes crime.

It's noted here in the link I just listed:

He kind of continues this here:

He goes on to explore the idea about what it means for society if we cannot blame a violent criminal for their actions. So instead of saying it's a moral failing, we have to say it's a biological failing.

He asks "Could this not become a license to kill?" (if we can't blame them morally and/or punish them)

Nice post.

[Clark]

people who don't understand cognitive intelligence are what's dangerous, realising you aren't bound to one mindframe your entire existence

rebump

stop doing tldr posts people

[EchoedTruth]

rebump

stop doing tldr posts people

Well what you be implying in that post... that people who view the world in different ways are dangerous? Seems to be a bit vague :confused:

[Noselacri]

I refuse to believe my homies who have showed so much love are sociopaths. I know the truth they are victims of circumstance. say what you want, you dont prove shit. The truth is the truth. Infact my homies in the projects have shown so much love and been so real I know they are not sociopaths. If anything you mfers in the suburbs are the sociopaths, trying to demonize them based on circumstances and shit you know nothing about. The mfers in the suburbs from what i seen are the mfers that only care for themselve,s so all the bull shit you say only comes back to yo,u and these are mfers too pussy to commit a violent crime. Still they will get over on you any chance they get.
Just look at the fucking trolls on the internet, only middle class and rich white america can create such a fucking idiotic thing.

Your comment basically translates into "I like my friends and thus refuse to associate them with any word that has negative connotaions. Instead, I apply that same word to you in defense of my friends." It's a declaration of bias and low intelligence, and I wonder if you're even really aware what 'sociopath' means. I expect not, you're just offended on behalf of your "homies" and would provide the exact same argument if another word had been used. I know I'm speaking to a troll, though, but I was bored.

[killaessedai]

Your comment basically translates into "I like my friends and thus refuse to associate them with any word that has negative connotaions. Instead, I apply that same word to you in defense of my friends." It's a declaration of bias and low intelligence, and I wonder if you're even really aware what 'sociopath' means. I expect not, you're just offended on behalf of your "homies" and would provide the exact same argument if another word had been used. I know I'm speaking to a troll, though, but I was bored.

You pretend to know anything about me or my friends, yet say i am biased and have a low Intelligence.. My IQ is 125 btw. How are you going to tell me what i meant? My opinion is based off real life experience. I didn't call anyone in this thread a sociopath obviously you can't read and only see what you want. *edit*
lol i guess i said you mfers, I was angry and a little drunk.

What i meant is I have seen far more apathetic and selfish behavior from the middle class, then i have seen from the poor. But it is also the poor that commit the majority of the crimes in america.... something isn't adding up.... I don't know if i just had good luck in the poor areas or bad luck in suburbia lol

[killaessedai]

I'm going to read the links you sent, stormlord, and reply when i have the time. I am not talking about serial killers though, they are a small % of violent criminals.

[Humerox]

One question: Chicken or egg?

Chief Keef - I Don't Like (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2WcRXJ4piHg)

25M hits in a year? It's resonating with a hell of a lot of people.

Music and media just reflect what's already there imho. Neither promote violence; they just mirror social conscience.

[KessonDaslef]

But it is also the poor that commit the majority of the crimes in america.... something isn't adding up....

Killaessedai wins.