what is the hardest race/class combo for a new player with no guild/friends on R99

[Sirken]

im not being an ass. im genuinely curious and asking for opinions :D

Criteria
new player, no guilds or friends on the server, whats the hardest race/class combo that
A) you have actually seen at least once on R99 (spam/troll accts dont count)
B) have a class and/OR race based xp penalty
C) is not really wanted in groups
D) must be possible on R99 (ie: dont say gnome SK)

*E) for double points, i think we can all agree the character should also be a male? as female characters are more likely to get free gear (hand me downs, etc), hence making their journey just a tad bit easier?

[Elderan]

#1 Anything/Ranger

[Cars]

Ranger's can semi-solo.

DE warrior would probably be the hardest. Hated everywhere, Weak stats, no sustain.

[Elderan]

Ranger's can semi-solo.

DE warrior would probably be the hardest. Hated everywhere, Weak stats, no sustain.

Even without friends a war has a chance to find a group where a ranger doesn't.

He said with no friends not which class can solo better.

[mostbitter]

Going to vote for human ranger. Ugly and terrible.

[Elderan]

Going to vote for human ranger. Ugly and terrible.

And blind, if vision worked right on this server.

[SamwiseRed]

at least rangers can snare kite, even if it is slow. id say untwinked gnome warrior, no way you are soloing anything later.

[Tippett]

my human ranger soloed very well in HHK

my human warrior was a nightmare, super hard to level due to few/no groups on the server at the time

[SamwiseRed]

ye warrior gotta be worst class to solo untwinked. unless you are a big race, you cant even wear full bronze without being encumbered. no utility, nothing. just pray the light blue doesnt kill u then afk for 20 min after you bind wound to 50%.

[lite]

ranger anything

[Sirken]

gnome warrior im not hitting any xp penalties.

ok, change up

Criteria
new player, no guilds or friends on the server, whats the hardest race/class combo that
A) you have actually seen at least once on R99 (spam/troll accts dont count)
B) have a class and/OR race based xp penalty
C) is not really wanted in groups
D) must be possible on R99 (ie: dont say gnome SK)

*E) for double points, i think we can all agree the character should also be a male? as female characters are more likely to get free gear (hand me downs, etc), hence making their journey just a tad bit easier?

[Sirken]

and thank you btw for the infos, i appreciate them.

[SamwiseRed]

gnome warrior mite not have hybrid penalty, but they wont be killing anything solo (or any other untwinked warrior) if it has to be a race/class with hybrid penalty id say an untwinked paladin.

[Tippett]

human paladin

[Itap]

Male erudite paladin

[Tippett]

Itap is right and he was in game it was an ironlion toon

[Tippett]

but honestly warrior is worse then a hybrid because at least hybrid can solo which a warrior cannot

sticking with war as my pick

[SamwiseRed]

at least erudite get a cool shield :) paladin definitely the hardest hybrid to solo untwinked with no friends. they are still easier than warrior though.

damn got ninja'd by basiah but i agree 100%, warrior harder than hybrid.

[Sirken]

im gonna disappear to RL aggro for a bit, but i promise i will read every response, and then ill put together a poll of the hardest 4 or so, and we'll have a lil group project. it'll be fun.

bring crayons :)

[Cars]

It's also fairly easy to save up like 500 plat or get lucky and buy a cheaper Ghoulbane which allows Pallys to solo a lot of his early career (20-35ish) fairly easily.

There is no item that makes a warriors life that easy because he has no spell utility or ways to sustain his HP's.

Rogue's might be harder to solo though, but I have never done the SBD/intimidate thing so I can be off base here.

[rsloans84]

gnome warrior

[Tippett]

gonna be war sirk dog

its a shitfest

[nabsev]

If it has to have an xp penalty then Human Paladin imo. Such shitty soloing untwinked. Otherwise I'd say Gnome Warrior.

[Tippett]

paladin is not bad to solo really

warrior dog

[HippoNipple]

Iksar warrior

Pros: AC, regen
Cons: starting location with no clerics near them, exp penalty, can't bind themselves,
no feign death like other iksar tanks, tough to get food/water/bank on main land,
gearing an iksar warrior is an issue during Kunark

This is also a race/class option that turns out to be pretty good in Velious and could be helpful/unique later on.

[Itap]

Have you ever rolled an erudite paladin? It's literally the worst experience I've had in Everquest. Why would verant do that to someone?

[Itap]

Iksar warrior

Pros: AC, regen
Cons: starting location with no clerics near them, exp penalty, can't bind themselves,
no feign death like other iksar tanks, tough to get food/water/bank on main land,
gearing an iksar warrior is an issue during Kunark

This is also a race/class option that turns out to be pretty good in Velious and could be helpful/unique later on.

Negative. I solod my old iksar warrior to 30 with relatively cheap gear.

[Tippett]

wars can solo to 30ish its beyond that its impossible

[Nuncio]

My DE warrior is pretty gimp, for sure.

[Jenni D]

People saying ranger havent lived.

You can solo with harmony in cb/mistmoore until you ding 45 no problem. even push 50 if you are a bit mad.

Has to be warrior gnome. even a paladin erudite must still be good once they catch boats to befallen/unrest no? dat undead dd spells plus a bronze 2h!

[Edame]

The problem with Paladins is their DPS is incredibly terrible, combined with the hybrid penalty..

I once was running through Lesser Faydark on my Level 31 Erudite Paladin in full bronze and a Ghoulbane and a shadow man aggrod me (light blue con). I had full HP and full mana with Lay on Hands up, so I figured I could solo it.

I died, even having used Lay on Hands.

[HippoNipple]

The problem with Paladins is their DPS is incredibly terrible, combined with the hybrid penalty..

I once was running through Lesser Faydark on my Level 31 Erudite Paladin in full bronze and a Ghoulbane and a shadow man aggrod me (light blue con). I had full HP and full mana with Lay on Hands up, so I figured I could solo it.

I died, even having used Lay on Hands.

Shadow men are beasts for their level though. Hard to go by them. Any warrior would have had a tough time as well.

[Itap]

The problem with Paladins is their DPS is incredibly terrible, combined with the hybrid penalty..

I once was running through Lesser Faydark on my Level 31 Erudite Paladin in full bronze and a Ghoulbane and a shadow man aggrod me (light blue con). I had full HP and full mana with Lay on Hands up, so I figured I could solo it.

I died, even having used Lay on Hands.

This. Weak dps combined with horrendous hp/str and very few offensive spells, my vote is still erudite paladin.

Quick, someone roll a gnome warrior and someone else an erudite paladin and /duel. :p

[Nuncio]

This. Weak dps combined with horrendous hp/str and very few offensive spells, my vote is still erudite paladin.

Quick, someone roll a gnome warrior and someone else an erudite paladin and /duel. :p

DE still worse.
Starting:

Race str sta dex agi
Gnome 70 80 85 90
Delf 70 75 75 90


DE has mad int though.

[Tippett]

agree should be DE WAR for maximum harshness ala Billy

[Nuncio]

Ive already got one at 24. I'll duel any level 24 non-twink erudite pally! Self buffs only (lmfao).

[Pudge]

Ogre SK. Or troll maybe, but trolls get regen so they can solo better. Ogre Sk = 61% penalty. Troll Sk = 68%. As a hybrid with such a high penalty, no one wants to group you, especially if they don't know you. They much rather solo their exp or group with a warrior, who has 0% exp penalty.

Only thing to do is fear kite with a shitty weapon for days on end in a zone no one traffics, hoping a druid doesnt come across you on his journey to quadville and decide to finally explode your face after he runs circles around you because he has SoW + lev, and you don't.

[Tippett]

you are retarded if you think sk is harder to level then war

nothing more is needed

soloing in any way possible > not soloing

[Pudge]

warriors can get groups.. SKs can't.

bet you anything if a warrior and an SK started server and invested same amount of time, the one hitting 60 first would be the warrior

[SamwiseRed]

pudge did you read the title?

what is the hardest race/class combo for a new player with no guild/friends on R99

i have friends here and guess what, my warrior is stuck in highkeep at 25 because there were never any healers on to sustain a group. maybe bad luck, maybe not either way it was hard for me, i imagine a new player would have even more problems. oh i was twinked too but downtime on a warrior in between mobs is the most painful thing ive ever experienced. you have to really get lucky and find a dedicated healer to carry your ass to the 50s. with all the solo priests its hard out there for new melees. unless you got blue plat to twink yourself or buy power leveling, prob not going to make it.

[Tippett]

pudge is dum sam, he doesn't understand not being able to solo is a bad thing

dont even waste ur time

[Nuncio]

pudge did you read the title?

what is the hardest race/class combo for a new player with no guild/friends on R99

i have friends here and guess what, my warrior is stuck in highkeep at 25 because there were never any healers on to sustain a group. maybe bad luck, maybe not either way it was hard for me, i imagine a new player would have even more problems. oh i was twinked too but downtime on a warrior in between mobs is the most painful thing ive ever experienced. you have to really get lucky and find a dedicated healer to carry your ass to the 50s. with all the solo priests its hard out there for new melees. unless you got blue plat to twink yourself or buy power leveling, prob not going to make it.

I just solo DB's that I know probably wont kill me, and spend 95% of my time between 17 and 50% HP.

[Tippett]

you must be pre 35 if you are even soloing lb's

[SamwiseRed]

gear, levels, ect? kinda important. im assuming new player, untwinked, no help.

[Pudge]

okay true no buddies. maybe they even.. but fear kiting ain't where the exp is at for sure. bring that warrior to unrest so he can get a group damn

[Nuncio]

you must be pre 35 if you are even soloing lb's

Yub, previous post stated my warrior is 24.

In answer to Sam, pretty much shit gear, crap I've picked up on my 40 druid traveling though various zones.

[Pudge]

tippet i dont know who you are but you probably aren't solo leveling an SK.

[SamwiseRed]

Yub, previous post stated my warrior is 24.

In answer to Sam, pretty much shit gear, crap I've picked up on my 40 druid traveling though various zones.

dont think new players with no friends will have a 40 druid traveling around kunark :)

[Tippett]

tippet i dont know who you are but you probably aren't solo leveling an SK.

solo leveling a ranger, even worse cant even fear kite or tap hp back

as someone who played a war to 54, hybrid is motherfucking easy mode compared to warrior on a low pop server

[Nuncio]

dont think new players with no friends will have a 40 druid traveling around kunark :)

True enough. But still a pita to solo, and not much better than what a soloing warrior would have, outside of the mediocre weapons I've picked up for him.

Currently sitting at 790hp and 500 AC :P

[SamwiseRed]

there is no arguing its easier to level a hybrid solo than a warrior untwinked. not being able to deal with runners, no utility, no survivability pretty much makes warriors the worst soloers in the game. a hybrid will kill multiple mobs before a warrior is ready to take on a 2nd mob.

[Cyrex]

What about a Rogue? No way you can solo without solid group and gear.

[Platexchange]

if you are speaking in terms of NEVER having friends or guild leveling by yourself every day, its a definite toss up between a troll sk and a warrior anything.

warriors without friends/guild will take forever soloing, as where 60 percent exp penalty even being able to fear kite will take just as long.

[SamwiseRed]

What about a Rogue? No way you can solo without solid group and gear.

ye rogue is up there but at least they have poisons, instill doubt. they can really dps if instill doubt sticks which on this server it does. rogue is up there with warrior no doubt but since it has some kind of utility im putting it behind warrior.

[Tippett]

i really cant believe some of u think the hybrid penalty is as bad as war solo

must have never played war

[SamwiseRed]

even with a 50% penalty, you will still get more xp per hour than a warrior soloing. being able to fear kite and tap keeps downtime pretty minimal compared to a warrior/rogue who really have no way to regain hps past 50% outside a long long afk.

[Nuncio]

I've done a lot of soloing with troll SK's, back on RZ in '00+.
Also done a bit of ranger soloing here.

Both miles better at XPing solo.

Period.

[Nuncio]

In any case, DE warrior has the worst stats of the worst class for soloing.

End of story.

Dark Elf warrior.

[Giovanni]

#1 Anything/Ranger
Going to vote for human ranger. Ugly and terrible.
ranger anything


seb keyed + swirling sphere for epic

http://i46.tinypic.com/rbje5u.jpg

[Tippett]

yeah ranger good at soloing thats what i have been saying

warrior is pure shit, leveling my rogue with snare daggers and fear wasnt anywhere as bad as war solo

[Tarwine]

I'd say war/rogue/ranger/pal are all pretty close. Normally I wouldn't add paladin but it seems like their dps is pretty gimped here, add to that the group exp penalty and people won't want to group with you. Get 2 paladins in your group and your setup to get the slowest exp you've ever seen.

[Nuncio]

I'd say war/rogue/ranger/pal are all pretty close. Normally I wouldn't add paladin but it seems like their dps is pretty gimped here, add to that the group exp penalty and people won't want to group with you. Get 2 paladins in your group and your setup to get the slowest exp you've ever seen.

Rangers solo fine. Rogues and paladins far better than warriors.

[club]

One of my friends used to lay down some serious pwnsauce with his halfling ranger and pretty sure he wasn't a twink.

Iksar Warrior is brutal by the definition listed. Not only hella long down time and not much use, but xp penalty to boot. Pretty sure I got stuck at level 33 on original RoK servers. Death is brutal at these levels and it happens too often. Forget about leaving Kunark, there is no point except dungeon xp. You will die everywhere. :(

[Cfred0-]

rogues and warriors of any class are about impossible to solo with no gear/group

[Sirken]

in time people may meet people and join in a guild.

when i said no guilds / friends, i meant in coming to the server. if you play and your not a complete asshat you will eventually find a home im sure.

but the beginning is the hard part anyways

[Tippett]

in time people may meet people and join in a guild.

when i said no guilds / friends, i meant in coming to the server. if you play and your not a complete asshat you will eventually find a home im sure.

but the beginning is the hard part anyways

guilds do not equal groups young sirken (specifically before level 50)

maybe in time you will learn the ways of red99

maybe

[SamwiseRed]

anytime i asked for group on my bard, i was told to go kite :(

[Sirken]

guilds do not equal groups young sirken (specifically before level 50)
maybe in time you will learn the ways of red99
maybe

meds bro, take them.

if i meant groups, id have said that.

[Tippett]

meds bro, take them.

if i meant groups, id have said that.

ah i guess you didn't, jumped the gun a bit i suppose

[Tenlaar]

Are you talking all the way to 60? 30? Low levels?

I mean, until level 15 a SK is a warrior with a huge XP penalty and a 5 damage lifetap.

[KabanazyTZ]

Though i've been pretty much yelled at by all of my guildies, i hold that rogue is absolutely stupid to try and level by yourself. On live I couldn't make it past 25 without getting as twinked out as i could possibly get.

[Swyft]

Number 1: Gnome Warrior
Number 2: Erudite Paladin
Number 3: Anything Ranger

All three of those classes are so bad at solo'ing and lvling, not to mention heavily gear dependent, that no one would even consider rolling one as there first character unless they had the full support of a guild.

[raff01]

I'd say Iksar / DE warrior. Hated almost everywhere, kos from most, no real advantageous stats (well Iksar at least has regen), no invis, no sow, no FD no nothing and evil race xp penalty.

[Galacticus]

1.Iksar Warrior


Penalty with crap gear options.

Most people wont lvl in kunark and it would be hard to find groups. Plus most of the people you level with will generally have Xp penalty as well further reducing your time to level.

[Smedy]

not sure but in my case the paladin was the hardest, suffering hardcore, could almost not solo light blues even though i had the undead cleanser sword

felt like jesus

[Galacticus]

not sure but in my case the paladin was the hardest, suffering hardcore, could almost not solo light blues even though i had the undead cleanser sword

felt like jesus

Around from 25+ im pretty sure a war cant solo greens even.

[Cyrex]

From the criteria i am going to say Iksar SK. I understand the arguments for warriors, rogues and rangers. But I have met rangers that have soloed past lvl 30 on server, it might be tough to play one but its possible. Tracking is almost essential in some camps and they have a bunch of utility. I play with a guy on the server who is an Iksar warrior and is leveling faster then my necro (possible due to play time). Ive never seen a rogue on Red99 so can't comment much on this class but no way anyone can level one solo without decent gear. I know the whole snare dagger argument but its not like people are handing these out for free to new rogues.

Anyway... The 70% exp penalty will crush even the more hard core gamers. Not to mention the gear is pretty rough until velious comes out.

A) you have actually seen at least once on R99 (spam/troll accts dont count)
-Yes but they quit due to the insane Exp penalty.

B) have a class and/OR race based xp penalty
-Both, the highest exp penalty in game

C) is not really wanted in groups
-Can't group because you need to be online twice as much as everyone else to even keep up with the normal leveling speed. Also, not many groups if you cannot keep up with the few people you meet.

One pvp dead = how much time spent soloing?? in hours

D) must be possible on R99 (ie: dont say gnome SK)
-Yes

[HippoNipple]

From the criteria i am going to say Iksar SK. I understand the arguments for warriors, rogues and rangers. But I have met rangers that have soloed past lvl 30 on server, it might be tough to play one but its possible. Tracking is almost essential in some camps and they have a bunch of utility. I play with a guy on the server who is an Iksar warrior and is leveling faster then my necro (possible due to play time). Ive never seen a rogue on Red99 so can't comment much on this class but no way anyone can level one solo without decent gear. I know the whole snare dagger argument but its not like people are handing these out for free to new rogues.

Anyway... The 70% exp penalty will crush even the more hard core gamers. Not to mention the gear is pretty rough until velious comes out.

A) you have actually seen at least once on R99 (spam/troll accts dont count)
-Yes but they quit due to the insane Exp penalty.

B) have a class and/OR race based xp penalty
-Both, the highest exp penalty in game

C) is not really wanted in groups
-Can't group because you need to be online twice as much as everyone else to even keep up with the normal leveling speed. Also, not many groups if you cannot keep up with the few people you meet.

One pvp dead = how much time spent soloing?? in hours

D) must be possible on R99 (ie: dont say gnome SK)
-Yes

Most of the people here strayed from the point and my original opinion of iksar warrior agrees with you. Still get a penalty but not as much, then again soloing is a little tougher. Sort of a toss up.

As an Iksar your gear is limited as well as where you can hunt because of faction. Groups are minimal but still possible in places. Imagine an Iksar warrior/sk trying to make their way to unrest for a chance at a group and then having nowhere to bank/sell.

Places like Kurns is good but there is a lot larger chance you will be soloing in Kunark than on main land.

[Salem Orchid]

Anything shadowknight might take a while to grind but it's not hard by any means. During classic i leveled a shadowknight through the 20's and 30's in South Karana, I would just snare something put my pet on it then literally AFK auto run up the east wall, come back in a couple minutes and re apply then AFK again running back down.

[Nirgon]

Ranger can ensnare + flame lick kite, gather up quads while partner meds and even contribute minor aoe damage. But most people don't know how to play EQ so, yeah probably ranger.

My vote is anything up to about 56, again, same reasons.

[Malevz]

Soloed an SK 1-50 (and a lot from 50-55) wasn't too hard with a rubicite BP and dark reaver. Never played a warrior but I'd say rogue is a pain to level untwinked. Lot less HP than a warrior. Least rogues get instill doubt or whatever later on.

[Telron]

I am leveling a wood elf ranger and I will say it is much tougher than I expected. Got a hand out lammy and a few odd pieces and i am foreseeing quite a slow solo environment compared to my shaman lol.

Being that this server cannot sustain many regular groups I vote iksar war as well for the high xp penalty and lack of solo ability which red is 99% solo quest without a good network of friends

[SamwiseRed]

warrior/rogue way harder than any hybrid

[HippoNipple]

Everyone having problems just message Gream, he got decked out in gear and hit 60 in a week as a rogue.

[SamwiseRed]

he also got PL'd as confirmed on nilly forums

[Telron]

Everyone having problems just message Gream, he got decked out in gear and hit 60 in a week as a rogue.

Isn't part of the point to not be twinked??

[HippoNipple]

Isn't part of the point to not be twinked??

He started the server not knowing anyone or having any gear. He sold his soul and was boosted to 60 and given all gear. There is an easy solution to making it on red.

[Nips]

Rogue would suck

[Num1RecommendedByDentists]

gnome magician

[SamwiseRed]

He started the server not knowing anyone or having any gear. He sold his soul and was boosted to 60 and given all gear. There is an easy solution to making it on red.

nah gream was in <Taken> on blue, knew a few nillys for years.

[HippoNipple]

nah gream was in <Taken> on blue, knew a few nillys for years.

oh well, just trollin this mighty fine thread

[Sirken]

so, to summarize top 4, in alphabetical order:

Number 1: Anything Ranger
Number 2: Anything Rogue
Number 3: Erudite Paladin
Number 4: Gnome Warrior
Number 5: Ogre? SK


correct?

(im thinking ranger and SK should be removed since they can both solo, albeit slowly)

[Tippett]

paladin can solo undead well too, anything not warrior should be removed lol

[SamwiseRed]

why is ranger up there? and sk? da fuck are you people morans?

[Nuncio]

so, to summarize top 4, in alphabetical order:

Number 1: Anything Ranger
Number 2: Anything Rogue
Number 3: Erudite Paladin
Number 4: Gnome Warrior
Number 5: Ogre? SK


correct?

(im thinking ranger and SK should be removed since they can both solo, albeit slowly)

wut

No.

Number 1: Anything warrior, and what appears to be a toss-up between DE and IK as absolute worst. Gnomes have better stats than DE, and do not have the whole iksar XP penalty/land-of-the-lost/everyone hates them thing goin on.
Number 2: Anything rogue
Number 3: Erudite Paladin
Number 4: Same as number 1
Number 5: don't need a number 5.

Rangers are relatively easy to solo with, I can't understand wtf people are thinking. I guess they dun wanna make arrows?
SK's also relatively easy to solo. Downtime is less than half that of a warrior, with 10 times the utility of a warrior.

[Sirken]

alphabetically this?

Number 1: Anything Rogue
Number 2: DE Warrior
Number 3: Erudite Paladin

[Tippett]

pretty shitastic line up

/applaud

[Nirgon]

You think you could solo a rogue to 60 faster than a ranger? Oh boy.

[Sirken]

thanks everyone