Western Wastes - a few questions.

[nilbog]

I have a few questions regarding westwastes. You may assist me by helping to research and discuss the following. I know some of these existed, but I need to know specifically.. should they be in at launch? If not, approximately when to add if still within the Velious timeframe.

1. <s> shipwrecked pirates. How long should the Breezeboot's Frigid Gnasher quest work?</s> Throughout the timeline. Plank no longer spawns June 2001.

<s>Is Engineer Toc classic or did he replace Breezeboot Swordrattler? </s>

<s>2. The Dragon Sage. Was he added with Velious release? If not, when. Involved with dragonsbane.</s> march 2001

<s>3. Quest Notorious Mercenaries. Julius Oresco/Grenth Drakesbane. When was this added?</s> 2002

<s>4. Fusibility Research (Strength of the Elements) Makil Rargon/Guardian Kozzalym. When was this added?</s> August 2001

5. Quest Leuz's Task. Should this exist with the Scout and Kromzek warriors?

6. Shardwing Courier. Quest Wenglawks the Traitor.

<s>7. Few npcs, are these classic from Velious launch?: drake outcast, scar guardian, rogue dire wolf.</s>

<s>8. What is the name of Strong Horn's Knockback spell?</s>

<s>9. What about belly casting dragons? Are there any in WW? I don't have anything to test this with. </s>


It saves me a great deal of time to continue working in lieu of researching.

Thanks.

[Vandy]

2. The Dragon Sage. Was he added with Velious release? If not, when. Involved with dragonsbane.


I have no direct supporting evidence but I don't remember him being there at launch.

Velious released in December of 2000

This is the patch notes added the BANE spells
http://www.waringmcmarrin.com/?page_id=54

Also the first entry comment for him on Ala wasn't until November or 2001


March 27, 2001 2:00 am
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*** Patch Day ***

*Spell Changes and Additions*

- A new teleportation spell has been added to the game for both Druids
and Wizards. These are self-only gate spells to the Dreadlands. These
spells should be available on the more exclusive spell vendors in
Norrath.

- Increased the drop rate on some Kunark spells to coincide with the
narrowing of the creatures carrying those spells as the game evolves.

- Wizards now have access to a new type of spell that only works on
certain types of target. Generically called ‘bane’ spells, a few are
now available in the game. May your quest for such spells be
successful.

[Vandy]

1. shipwrecked pirates. How long should the Breezeboot's Frigid Gnasher quest work? Is Engineer Toc classic or did he replace Breezeboot Swordrattler?


There is no official mention of anything in the patch notes that I can locate about the removal of the quest. As far as I can find the quest wasn't removed but the Seaworthy Planking was what alluded people.

Here is a comment from March 2001, 4 months after Launch confirming they found it
http://imageshack.us/a/img7/7669/march2001.jpg


Here 2 comments one in early April saying he spoke with a GM and the quest was on hold. One on April 17th, 2001(which was a patch day) stating that he picked up the plank although I searched through the April 17th notes and there was no note of a change.
http://imageshack.us/a/img507/959/onhold.jpg


This is a comment from 2002 well after other expansions launched. stating that the plank still spawns and its a triggered spawn and not a static spawn.

http://imageshack.us/a/img13/2558/jun2002.jpg

[happyhappy]

I have a few questions regarding westwastes. You may assist me by helping to research and discuss the following. I know some of these existed, but I need to know specifically.. should they be in at launch? If not, approximately when to add if still within the Velious timeframe.

1. shipwrecked pirates. How long should the Breezeboot's Frigid Gnasher quest work? Is Engineer Toc classic or did he replace Breezeboot Swordrattler?

2. The Dragon Sage. Was he added with Velious release? If not, when. Involved with dragonsbane.

3. Quest Notorious Mercenaries. Julius Oresco/Grenth Drakesbane. When was this added?

4. Fusibility Research (Strength of the Elements) Makil Rargon/Guardian Kozzalym. When was this added?

5. Quest Leuz's Task. Should this exist with the Scout and Kromzek warriors?

6. Shardwing Courier. Quest Wenglawks the Traitor.

7. Few npcs, are these classic from Velious launch?: drake outcast, scar guardian, rogue dire wolf.

It saves me a great deal of time to continue working in lieu of researching.

Thanks.

1: The broken part was the Iceclad ground spawn, the rest was intact all through PoP, if you had a banked plank you could MQ it. Last documented find of the Iceclad item was on Jun 28 2001, so 6 months after release.

2: Wrath spells qere completed on 4/4/01 according to Graffe.com archive. http://web.archive.org/web/20010411142551/http://www.graffe.com/quests/quests.htm

unrelated: I like where this guy's priorities are:
Dragon Sage By: Anonymous
Posted @ Tue, Sep 11th 5:17 PM 2001 Score: Default[2.00]
I found an npc named the dragon sage in this zone. He gave me a long history on norrath and talked about Veeshan and the the age of scale, etc. I talked to him for a while and he told me about a plant that dragons fear, but he gave me a coin to give to a Giant Tomekeeper and that he would know more.

3: http://web.archive.org/web/20030110005619/http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=17617 (says power required) entry of the quest is in 2002

4: Completed: Mon Nov 5 14:08:17 2001, first report of Malik at Posted @ Wed, Oct 24th 1:57 AM 2001, Chardok patch was added on October 8, 2001, so maybe it was added at the same time?

5: earliest comment july 16 2001: http://web.archive.org/web/20011224212359/http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?quest=1255

6: Quest existed and completed by April 04 2001 on alla, see comments, cannot read archive of safehouse due to robot.txt: http://web.archive.org/web/20020823171840/http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=5527

7: drake outcast/rogue dire wolf: can't find a proof of existence prior to 2007
scar guardian: 2002 http://web.archive.org/web/20020527213057/http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=7769

[maximum]

unrelated: I like where this guy's priorities are:

Dragon Sage By: Anonymous
Posted @ Tue, Sep 11th 5:17 PM 2001 Score: Default[2.00]
I found an npc named the dragon sage in this zone. He gave me a long history on norrath and talked about Veeshan and the the age of scale, etc. I talked to him for a while and he told me about a plant that dragons fear, but he gave me a coin to give to a Giant Tomekeeper and that he would know more.

Never forget. Some people just need a talkative NPC to cope.

[Vandy]

4. Fusibility Research (Strength of the Elements) Makil Rargon/Guardian Kozzalym. When was this added?


The earliest mention I can find of this quest is Sept 11 - 2001, roughly a month before the launch of Luclin. Sept 11 was also a patch date but there are no notes that I could find of a quest being added. Link below

http://thedruidsgrove.org/archive/eq/t-3899.html

[Cheech]

5. Quest Leuz's Task. Should this exist with the Scout and Kromzek warriors?



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# Apr 24 2001 at 12:25 AM Rating: Default
Nosferatu
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I agree, though I'll fight you tooth and nails for it. :) And did you all notice...it's not LORE, so you can actually wear 2 if you can win 2 of 'em! Bummer no effect, but that would make it godly ;)

#Anonymous, Posted: Apr 23 2001 at 5:00 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Dey shoulda named dis item "Bracer of Strife"

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# Apr 23 2001 at 6:55 PM Rating: Sub-Default
Golgo
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hehe... because it's .1 everyone and their mothers is going to be saying this is monk gear, even though all the classes listed would probably kill for it.


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# Apr 24 2001 at 12:16 PM Rating: Default
Anonymous
Anonymous
Well let's be honest.. Monks first look at weight then we look at the other stuff, so yes this IS monk gear.. But it's also war,pal,rng,.. oh hell, you can read..

This is simply a Fab Melee bracer.

http://web.archive.org/web/20121103025521/http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=5738

At the very bottom. This is the earliest ive found searching for a hour. 5 months or so after release.

[Frieza_Prexus]

4. Fusibility Research (Strength of the Elements) Makil Rargon/Guardian Kozzalym. When was this added?

The earliest mention I can find of this quest is Sept 11 - 2001, roughly a month before the launch of Luclin. Sept 11 was also a patch date but there are no notes that I could find of a quest being added. Link below

http://thedruidsgrove.org/archive/eq/t-3899.html

I believe the quest was added after the GM event handing out the Scepter Al'Kabor was completed on all servers.

http://www.mobhunter.com/mobhunter_archive/1177320543.html

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=6456 (scroll to bottom for first post)

First post about Sceptre Artifact 8/6/2001: Makes the Wizard Epic look like a rusty mace

[formallydickman]

huzzah huzzah

[nilbog]

Thanks for the research help.

It's often confusing when to include npcs/quests. Like, just because it took someone months to figure it out, does that mean it wasn't available at Velious launch?

More opinions and research on these would help. I'd like some type of consensus prior to launch. If it's still questionable down the line, at least we tried!

westwastes is 95% complete now aside from these questions. The rest is loot and pathing specifics that I'm finishing.

[Frieza_Prexus]

westwastes is 95% complete now aside from these questions. The rest is loot and pathing specifics that I'm finishing.

http://media.tumblr.com/66c449f2b14f040a8e56f886e2492794/tumblr_inline_mjpwf1x4Bt1qz4rgp.gif

[Aviann]

http://media.tumblr.com/66c449f2b14f040a8e56f886e2492794/tumblr_inline_mjpwf1x4Bt1qz4rgp.gif

[Kevynne]

http://media.tumblr.com/66c449f2b14f040a8e56f886e2492794/tumblr_inline_mjpwf1x4Bt1qz4rgp.gif

[nilbog]

Had to spend an extra day working specifically on the dragons. There are so many different types that can ae cold/fire/dispell, gate, ch, see invis or gflux.

Updated OP with some conclusions and questions.

[Knightt]

Every time this thread is bumped by nilbog the 14 y/o inside of me jumps for joy

[Ele]

5. Quest Leuz's Task. Should this exist with the Scout and Kromzek warriors?

At least as early as April 28, 2001.

Archived Link from EQlizer for Robe with the above date, and the associted with slightly later date.
http://web.archive.org/web/20010428080247/http://www.gameznet.com/eq/equipment/robeofbenevolence.html
http://web.archive.org/web/20010509093705/http://www.gameznet.com/eq/quest/skyshrine/tooldelivery.html

Information regarding Captain and Giants from EQClerics (Aug 8, 2001):
http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?t=3875
The 10 hour respawn is real time, so you can't farm multiple talismans/bracers in a single night. Also, the captain isn't as hard as he sounds, he doesn't cast or heal or have an AE, so it's just a matter of having enough tanking/healing power to stay alive long enough to do the 80k damage to him. You could probably do him quite easily with two groups of level 55ish on average. If you don't have a warrior with defensive (level 55+), you might have trouble, but just bring a third cleric or something, and you'll do fine.

Captain is level constant 57 or 58 (blue to 60), and he is definitely 100% MR. Has a lot of HP (100k+) and he is unslowable

However,

Captain is slowable, our ranger's epic sword procced and slowed him.

Another EQClerics thread (May 18, 2001)
http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?t=3271

Get ally status (Should be warmly before Ally is introduced) to the Claws of Veeshan

3. Go to Western Wastes, find Scout Charisa, look at her closely. (She is a human female on +COV faction) If she is holding a bag, she will NOT take your Scout Tools.

4. If she takes your Scout Tools, she will now appear with a bag in her hands and will not accept another set of scout tools for 20 RL hours.

Another EQClerics thread (May 18, 2001)
http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?t=10847

The only problem we had at all was this (and boy, did this stink) Scout Charisa sees through invis at a roughly 100% chance. (I think this was done to prevent any possible faction exploits? I seem to recall a rogue telling me he couldn't sneak/hide this quest.)

Anyways, the Scout spawns RIGHT on top of the tunnel as you enter WW. If you have -COV people, they will can get aggroed in the tunnel and then you will be royally screwed, as Charisa will camp the zone and seems to have NO ability to reset properly. I sat there and stared at her for 10 minutes, she didn't move. Finally we had to get a shaman to train her away so the rest of my friends (who are -COV) could zone in.

[Ele]

Monkly Business Western Wastes Strategy/Zone Guide Archive:

http://www.monkly-business.net/forums/archive/index.php/t-8763.html

[Nirgon]

Take a look for comments regarding Espora of the Ring and special gate tendencies

[nilbog]

Can anyone find a screenshot of a velium hound from westwastes? Should they be larger than this?

http://i41.tinypic.com/5esqdg.jpg

[Eccezan]

http://zam.zamimg.com/images/i/d/id6322.png

[nilbog]

Pre-Luclin screenshots please :T

[Ele]

http://zam.zamimg.com/images/i/d/id6322.png

Post-Luclin model, GTFO

Back to our regularly scheduled thread:

Looks to be about the correct size, maybe increase it a tad to get the shoulder to the belt line.

Zam pic from mid-2001. Notice the PC standing to the left, mostly cropped out.
http://web.archive.org/web/20020214102632im_/http://everquest.allakhazam.com/monsterpics/a_velium_hound.jpg

http://web.archive.org/web/20020214102632/http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=6322

[Rhambuk]

Pre-Luclin screenshots please :T

heh found this one as well, shouldve figured you would have checked zam before asking here =p

[nilbog]

Thanks.

Next question: Escorpa of the Ring, or Esorpa? I ... remember it being Escorpa. Most of the old pages show Escorpa. At some point, the research starts pointing towards Esorpa.

Does anyone have a screenshot of an original Es(c)orpa?

[Eccezan]

http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~dbarrett/esorpa.jpg

[Eccezan]

http://web.archive.org/web/20090313210235im_/http://common.allakhazam.com/images/i/d/id6467.png

looking for a picture of Escorpa (with a C), but no luck yet

[Alarti0001]

Thanks.

Next question: Escorpa of the Ring, or Esorpa? I ... remember it being Escorpa. Most of the old pages show Escorpa. At some point, the research starts pointing towards Esorpa.

Does anyone have a screenshot of an original Es(c)orpa?

I remember Escorpa too.... but could just be the light blue mob name blending in with the SNOWWWWWWWWWW

[Ele]

http://www.rimzig.com/journal/2001-11-18.html

2001 Journal entry referencing "Esorpa", multiple pictures but names are turned off.

Velious UI with "Esorpa"
http://i.imgur.com/KEsllDj.jpg

BONUS ROUND:
TRAIN TO TOV
http://i.imgur.com/64tLaxh.jpg

[Ele]

Seems that Esorpa is the correct spelling. Just forum posts and a few database entries that probably got cascaded throughout the networks with "Escorpa". The timing of usage is spread out from 2001-> 2004+ with mixed usage.

[nilbog]

Okay thanks. There was one 2002 seq filter result which made it more confusing.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:JlzSfPg3jdIJ:www.showeq.net/forums/archive/index.php/t-950.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

[Eccezan]

Okay thanks. There was one 2002 seq filter result which made it more confusing.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:JlzSfPg3jdIJ:www.showeq.net/forums/archive/index.php/t-950.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us


are those seq filters manually entered, or automated? if manually entered, im guessing he just mispelled it?

[maximum]

Thanks.

Next question: Escorpa of the Ring, or Esorpa? I ... remember it being Escorpa. Most of the old pages show Escorpa. At some point, the research starts pointing towards Esorpa.

Does anyone have a screenshot of an original Es(c)orpa?

http://jahislove.pagesperso-orange.fr/WW%20dragons.htm has "Esorpa"

http://web.archive.org/web/20020201235346/http://www.users.qwest.net/~wd11/EQstuff/WW/ has "Esorpa"

[Ele]

July 2001 "Esorpa"
http://i.imgur.com/T3YfGnO.jpg
http://web.archive.org/web/20010724080828/http://www.trysor.com/afterlife/index2.cfm?pictureid=244

[Gaffin Deeppockets]

Saved for fap material.

[Ele]

Another SS with velium hound, not the best perspective, but gnome should just about fit under it from the looks of it.

http://i.imgur.com/LXRkB9e.jpg

[Alarti0001]

Another SS with velium hound, not the best perspective, but gnome should just about fit under it from the looks of it.


Now find a picture of a velium hound next to Esorpa

[Frieza_Prexus]

Now find a picture of a velium hound next to Esorpa

Don't encourage him.

[nilbog]

Forgot to update this from yesterday. Esorpa it is.

Velium hounds are of appropriate size; Icehackle larger than the rest.

This zone was one of the worst ones I've encountered btw. The amount of different dragons, different paths, and specifics of both were substantial. I didn't know as much about this place as I thought I did... now I do :T


Is Velium Mastodon Fur classic (pre-Luclin)?

[maximum]

This zone was one of the worst ones I've encountered btw. The amount of different dragons, different paths, and specifics of both were substantial. I didn't know as much about this place as I thought I did... now I do :T

Is Kael second worst? https://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=74755

[nilbog]

Is Kael second worst? https://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=74755

Yes. Including the levels of different npcs and invisible men, there are 513 npcs in Kael.

[maximum]

Is Velium Mastodon Fur classic (pre-Luclin)?

Earliest I could find on Velium Mastadon Fur was Dec 6, 2002:
http://web.archive.org/web/20030104102726/http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=17430
Drop rate
"This is found on the Glacier Mastadons and on Tantor, the L63 named Mastadon, in Western Wastes. I'd estimate drop rate at 1 in 10-15 for getting a hide. Rarity *should* read RARE."

[Clark]

http://s21.postimg.org/hnxp6ji7r/T3_Yf_Gn_O.jpg (http://postimage.org/)
photo share (http://postimage.org/)

[Tecmos Deception]

I didn't know as much about this place as I thought I did... now I do :T

I'm so freaking excited to see your (and the rest of the staff's too) hard work come together in Velious! :eek:

[maximum]

Looks like #5 and #6 are still unresolved. Any updates?

[Kinsawt]

Some things to note about the BFG. (I know this is a West Wastes post)

The plank can spawn tons of places in Iceclad, not just what is in the stock emu code.

Also, and most importantly, what made it so rare was that if the plank spawned underwater, you couldn't pick it up. That was a bug that wasn't fixed prior to the plank being out of the game. Basically, every time the zone crashed/server went up and down, people with Showeq would run check if it was on dry land, if not you couldn't get one until the server/zone rebooted.

Rangers can Trueshot while meleeing with the BFG, and get double melee damage, since it's flagged Bow/Mainhand. Cool for when shit is stuck in walls. Because of this, rangers could also melee Emperor Ssra with a BFG in Main Hand/Bane Bow equipped.

Also, the Right Click is very resistible.

[koros]

Kins,

Are you saying that if ANY item you were wearing had bane damage, then all your attacks did?

[Nirgon]

Looks like #5 and #6 are still unresolved. Any updates?





5. Quest Leuz's Task. Should this exist with the Scout and Kromzek warriors?


Yes, definitely. Backing my personal knowledge :

Bracers / talisman of benevolence =>

"heya,
this guy is lvl 58, and has no faction hits. KoS to all. you need to kill him as a part of the Benevolence quest (for CoV allies)."

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=7055

I recall doing it for an ogre shadow knight that went from twink to main for a pal and I.


6. Shardwing Courier. Quest Wenglawks the Traitor.

Yeah frozen shard is in this era. Most rogues capable of doing it (55+) had their epic raiding (and were no longer raiding if they didn't get off their asses and finish it).

Backup for evidence:

http://www.thesafehouse.org/forums//archive/index.php?t-5827.html








What else is unresolved?

[koros]

He dropped Frozen Shard since release... that's confirmable. The quest itself is harder to confirm.

I'd put a wager it was in from the start however.

[Alecta]

Also want to toss a mention out to the aggro radius on the wolves. The default PEQ database had a really low radius set last time I checked.

They were much scarier on live (as a poor cleric without invis).

[Kinsawt]

No, it was a bug with BFG being flagged as Bow/Main Hand. If you placed a Bane Bow in your ranged slot, the code flagged all 'bow' damage as Bane damage. Meleeing with your BFG still counted as 'bow' damage, therefore it got the bane flag.

It's the same code confusion that allowed you to use Trueshot to get double damage while melee'ing with the BFG.

[Nirgon]

Alecta you're absolutely right on aggro radiuses here. I'm trying to push for guard assist/aggro radius to be much larger at the very least because I found mentions of it referenced to Sergeant Slate (one of my favorites).

More dungeons need green con aggro too.

[thugcruncher]

http://media.tumblr.com/66c449f2b14f040a8e56f886e2492794/tumblr_inline_mjpwf1x4Bt1qz4rgp.gif

[Buellen]

Heya nilbog

Earliest post that i could find on waybackmachine for Command Leuz Task

is April 20 2001.

here is link

:http://web.archive.org/web/20020823102514/http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?quest=1255&start=100

Garue 49th Level Half Elf Warrior Follower Of Karana

[Kevynne]

http://media.tumblr.com/66c449f2b14f040a8e56f886e2492794/tumblr_inline_mjpwf1x4Bt1qz4rgp.gif

[Kevynne]

http://i.imgur.com/64tLaxh.jpg[/QUOTE]

That^

[webrunner5]

That would be real nice to zone into lol. :eek: Insta death.