All Sleeper Server Threads Moved Here, Love Sirken

[Allizia]

Got the email and had a couple free days so checked it out:

Server is pretty jacked. It's just stock PEQ DB that's trimmed some of the obvious out of era content, although it's half-assed and they missed a lot of it. The same bugs, pathing errors, velcro walls/corners, zone server disconnects, pathing grid problems and loot/quest(4/6 broken quests so far, including n00bie tunics) issues as any other stock server. You would think they would have caught some of it in beta (I think it went on at least a year?).

Experience gains went from "terribad" to "faster than P99 on a twink" to "OMFGBADCANTEVENPLAY" to "terribad" to "ehh, it kinda works but still sucks."
Tons of white knights claiming the exp is ok because a few bards swarm kited to 20+ after 4 days, and the people who grinded through the "faster than P99 on a twink" stage before it was nerfed and shot up to 15+. There have already been balance issues (some iksars noobs earning 200+pp each the first day because of coin drops, first day huge experience bonuses for some zones)

The current exp rate for a decent group in hotzones/dungeons killing reds is around 4-6 hours per level in the low teens. I'm at 23 hours /played at level 9.1 ~ Can I haz backstab this week please?

Just can't justify putting any effort into a server that has been in beta for so long and still resembles one that I could cut up from the stock DB in a few days or less.

[SamwiseRed]

Got the email and had a couple free days so checked it out:

Server is pretty jacked. It's just stock PEQ DB that's trimmed some of the obvious out of era content, although it's half-assed and they missed a lot of it. The same bugs, pathing errors, velcro walls/corners, zone server disconnects, pathing grid problems and loot/quest(4/6 broken quests so far, including n00bie tunics) issues as any other stock server. You would think they would have caught some of it in beta (I think it went on at least a year?).

Experience gains went from "terribad" to "faster than P99 on a twink" to "OMFGBADCANTEVENPLAY" to "terribad" to "ehh, it kinda works but still sucks."
Tons of white knights claiming the exp is ok because a few bards swarm kited to 20+ after 4 days, and the people who grinded through the "faster than P99 on a twink" stage before it was nerfed and shot up to 15+. There have already been balance issues (some iksars noobs earning 200+pp each the first day because of coin drops, first day huge experience bonuses for some zones)

The current exp rate for a decent group in hotzones/dungeons killing reds is around 4-6 hours per level in the low teens. I'm at 23 hours /played at level 9.1 ~ Can I haz backstab this week please?

Just can't justify putting any effort into a server that has been in beta for so long and still resembles one that I could cut up from the stock DB in a few days or less.

lawl bet not.

[Awwalike]

sounds stupid

[Kieu]

I never even bothered to try it, all I see in its path is despair. Who is a druggie by the way? I wasn't aware that having an opinion makes you a druggy. I must be a hardcore heroin addict by now.

[SamwiseRed]

why do you have a 12 year old albino chick as your sig and avatar?

[Kieu]

why do you have a 12 year old albino chick as your sig and avatar?

20, and maybe I like the music? I'm sorry I don't have your tastes in looks/music. Why do you have a ginger hobbit as your avatar?

[SamwiseRed]

how am i supposed to know that is a musician? i was seriously asking why you have it, i guess i should have asked who is that not trollling.

i have samwise as my avatar because im samwise?

[Kieu]

how am i supposed to know that is a musician? i was seriously asking why you have it, i guess i should have asked who is that not trollling.

i have samwise as my avatar because im samwise?

Lol sorry, wasn't jumping the gun. Just felt like a troll question. I don't mind what anyone has in their avatars. To each his own.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

I'm having a great time on sleeper server! It's buggy as fuck, but honestly, anyone around here in '09 could've said the same thing about p99.

Some old p99 favorites: melee being hilariously useless in all regards (ac, damage, skills), then poisons stacking and never fading, being able to seriously exp in 1 fucking zone from 30-50.

It has warts but they seem serious (and quick) about fixing shit as it goes. We'll see what happens! I haven't been this hungry to play EQ in a while.

[Allizia]

lawl bet not.

With the right tools it's really not that hard to get a cut up version of the stock DB that resembles classic. I know for a fact I can redo Nek forest(a zone that pretty much needs to be completely recreated, most do not) within 3 hours, because I've done it.

Remove out of era NPC's (15 min)
Change models for some of the spiders etc (10 min)
Redo pathing grids from scratch (1 hour)
Redo/adjust lootdrops and loottables (1 hour)
Recreate and Adjust a few NPC's and stats/levels for existing(20 min)

Is it fine tuned? No. Is The Sleeper fine tuned? No. Do I have any desire to actual do it and deal with peoples problems? No.

I'm just saying they don't have much done for the amount of time they have been working on it, with the exception of a few specific changes such as AC calculations.

[Tyrion]

Tried this server out. Base xp is like 1% which for noobs just starting is awful. It takes alot longer as a lower level to level up on this server (just like 1 to 5) and its much faster on P99. The only saving grace is the hotzone xp, but given that is not applied to some starting zones I think people will try and then give up.

Nice idea, but I do not see it lasting. Back to P99 for me.

[Kevynne]

With the right tools it's really not that hard to get a cut up version of the stock DB that resembles classic. I know for a fact I can redo Nek forest(a zone that pretty much needs to be completely recreated, most do not) within 3 hours, because I've done it.

Remove out of era NPC's (15 min)
Change models for some of the spiders etc (10 min)
Redo pathing grids from scratch (1 hour)
Redo/adjust lootdrops and loottables (1 hour)
Recreate and Adjust a few NPC's and stats/levels for existing(20 min)

Is it fine tuned? No. Is The Sleeper fine tuned? No. Do I have any desire to actual do it and deal with peoples problems? No.

I'm just saying they don't have much done for the amount of time they have been working on it, with the exception of a few specific changes such as AC calculations.

you do realize they've most likely been concentrating on the ac shit and xp since day one, and putting off the smaller stuff till later.... right?

also double xp in hotzones. 1 hr in bb went from 9.05 to 10.1

[Allizia]

you do realize they've most likely been concentrating on the ac shit and xp since day one, and putting off the smaller stuff till later.... right?

also double xp in hotzones. 1 hr in bb went from 9.05 to 10.1

The point remains, the easy shit takes no time, so why would they release like this after spending so much time working on other aspects of the server? When I cook a steak I don't spend a day working on perfecting the marinade just to half-ass cook it in 2 minutes. Most of the broken quests probably just need updated itemID's.

Focusing on experience seems to have backfired, as many people have already quit because of it.

Also,

It's double hotzone modifier (15% -> 30%), not double experience. It still sucks, and your choices are limited since you are stuck in a hotzone to see any gain.

[Innovative]

Love all these people complaining. The devs seem to be patching things at least once a day to fix reported broken quests, non-velious items, etc... It's been open less than a week and the majority of players seem to be around level 8-18. I bet we'll see the first 60's before the end of May.

[Allizia]

"Tons of white knights claiming the exp is ok because a few bards swarm kited to 20+ after 4 days, and the people who grinded through the "faster than P99 on a twink" stage before it was nerfed and shot up to 15+. There have already been balance issues (some iksars noobs earning 200+pp each the first day because of coin drops, first day huge experience bonuses for some zones)"

[pharmakos]

my level 1 enchanter killed 5 yellow cons in a non-hotzone and dinged 2

exp isn't that broken

but TBH the only reason i'm playing on The Sleeper is because of the promise of tokens to spawn raid mobs

grinding back towards 60 on a new server is still gonna take less time than poopsocking/tracksocking dragons for my epic on P99

[Kieu]

you do realize they've most likely been concentrating on the ac shit and xp since day one, and putting off the smaller stuff till later.... right?

also double xp in hotzones. 1 hr in bb went from 9.05 to 10.1

lol, they sure did a grand job at xp since 'day one'. Considering a level 1 gets 1% from a wasp/bat. Vivid ideas.

Stop trying to defend a terrible server. What people will defend to get a guise and all other prenerf items. Unfortunately by the time that happens, and they're all nerfed, no one will be there.

[Stinkum]

I would love to see all the complainers in this thread back in 2009 or whatever when P99 came out. There was shit tons of bugs here with everything from pathing to loot tables and beyond, and P99 devs responding to the playerbase certainly wasn't as quick as it is on The Sleeper.

[SamwiseRed]

With the right tools it's really not that hard to get a cut up version of the stock DB that resembles classic. I know for a fact I can redo Nek forest(a zone that pretty much needs to be completely recreated, most do not) within 3 hours, because I've done it.

Remove out of era NPC's (15 min)
Change models for some of the spiders etc (10 min)
Redo pathing grids from scratch (1 hour)
Redo/adjust lootdrops and loottables (1 hour)
Recreate and Adjust a few NPC's and stats/levels for existing(20 min)

Is it fine tuned? No. Is The Sleeper fine tuned? No. Do I have any desire to actual do it and deal with peoples problems? No.

I'm just saying they don't have much done for the amount of time they have been working on it, with the exception of a few specific changes such as AC calculations.

p99 is still removing out of era NPCs and its been out for 3+ years. going to have to call bs on the time you think it would take to do all that.

[Lazortag]

I would love to see all the complainers in this thread back in 2009 or whatever when P99 came out. There was shit tons of bugs here with everything from pathing to loot tables and beyond, and P99 devs responding to the playerbase certainly wasn't as quick as it is on The Sleeper.

There was no better emu that P99 could compare itself to in 2009..

[Allizia]

I would love to see all the complainers in this thread back in 2009 or whatever when P99 came out. There was shit tons of bugs here with everything from pathing to loot tables and beyond, and P99 devs responding to the playerbase certainly wasn't as quick as it is on The Sleeper.

I was there? First level 50 chanter? First Level 50 with a level 50 alt? I had fun when P99 was released and it seemed balanced and you could tell there was a lot of research and fine tuning. There were bugs, but it was done reasonably well. I cannot say the same about the sleeper, and the differences will be blatantly obvious to anyone with any kind of dev experience.

[Allizia]

p99 is still removing out of era NPCs and its been out for 3+ years. going to have to call bs on the time you think it would take to do all that.

I specifically mentioned that I was not counting the fine tuning. The research, testing and minor obscure details is what takes 95% of the time.

What I did say is that I could create content comparable to The Sleepers current content very quickly. It is not tuned or balanced well, and is pretty much a half-ass copy of the PEQ stock DB with some obvious stuff trimmed out.

[Auvdar]

I specifically mentioned that I was not counting the fine tuning. The research, testing and minor obscure details is what takes 95% of the time.

What I did say is that I could create content comparable to The Sleepers current content very quickly. It is not tuned or balanced well, and is pretty much a half-ass copy of the PEQ stock DB with some obvious stuff trimmed out.

[Kevynne]

I specifically mentioned that I was not counting the fine tuning. The research, testing and minor obscure details is what takes 95% of the time.

What I did say is that I could create content comparable to The Sleepers current content very quickly. It is not tuned or balanced well, and is pretty much a half-ass copy of the PEQ stock DB with some obvious stuff trimmed out.

k. then let's see it.

I would love to see all the complainers in this thread back in 2009 or whatever when P99 came out. There was shit tons of bugs here with everything from pathing to loot tables and beyond, and P99 devs responding to the playerbase certainly wasn't as quick as it is on The Sleeper.

that^

[Allizia]

I don't even.. Nevermind. Will see how it's going a few weeks from now.

How was the non-hotzone Lesser fay exp goin for ya? It's awesome being funneling into specific camps to progress.

[SamwiseRed]

who knows maybe eqpic emu has the real classic xp, honestly i leveled so fast on blue i could have sworn there was a xp bonus. shit didnt feel classic but then again eq is pretty damn easy leveling-wise no a days so maybe its just knowledge.

[Swish]

The problem with hotzones is that until everyone can bind themselves or until there's enough binders to pick one up casually, everyone is streaming into the hotzone that's local to them and there's not much left for people to kill.

Really on the fence about the server, still taking a look but I fear for its future when Velious is launched here...there is talk of cats on the moon though.

[Noselacri]

Have to wonder what in the fucking hell they spent the two years this server was in development on. It certainly wasn't common bug fixing or content testing, there's something wrong with literally every single thing you look at. I hope it means the endgame content is absolutely perfect, otherwise it's quite the joke. It's been in development since 2011, but so far it looks like a two-week project. Just absolutely riddled with bugs, non-classic shit, and all in all rock-bottom quality at least in the 1-20 content.

I would love to see all the complainers in this thread back in 2009 or whatever when P99 came out. There was shit tons of bugs here with everything from pathing to loot tables and beyond, and P99 devs responding to the playerbase certainly wasn't as quick as it is on The Sleeper.

P99 was so much better at launch that it can barely be compared. It had its bugs, but nothing like this. We're talking basic aggro mechanics being way off, zones missing half their mob spawns, evidence of zones not even having been looked at once (GoD models in some places etc.) and other shit that should have been weeded out in three days of testing. Bugs that we reported in the beta and were told were "fixed on the test server" are now on the live server, proving that they've literally been lying to the beta testers all along. Starting to see why there were never any changelogs or other forms of communication between devs and players.

they've most likely been concentrating on the ac shit

Their "AC tests" consist literally of like four brief tests done with a level 11 warrior. It's laughable to draw a conclusion from something like that. When asked why they'd only tested it with a level 11 warrior, no answer was given. That whole test looks to have taken approximately ten minutes. That's the kind of quality The Sleeper offers.

[Swish]

Kegz is fixing bugs as they're reported, putting in the hours... but yeah, you have to wonder how shit the beta really was in terms of people's feedback and/or fixes coming from that.

Signed into the beta a couple of days before it launched and thought I'd run the bard mail quest from Felwithe to Kelethin and kill a few things to test the XP rate. 4 blues (16%) for a hand-in at level 1. Killing wasps/bats/etc... seemed slow.

Live then launched. I ran the mail quest from Kaladim and Felwithe to Kelethin on a dwarf rogue... ~0.5% XP for each hand-in.

The question is, why did Kegz nerf the XP to a crawl when live launched? I know it has since been adjusted but not by much, and people can't take advantage of hotzones properly because they're overfarmed and it's a struggle to get to 12 or 14 to be able to bind. I have to say I don't remember Velious being THAT slow for XP.

Problem is, if he lets loose and gives the server an XP rate that's more rewarding - he'll risk pissing off the hardcore crowd who have battled their way to 18-20. Quite the hole he's dug in a way.

Global OOC is funny however, people calling "server first" on just about everything from levels to starting their epics. You ask the population if they can name all the server firsts (who got L5, L10, L15 etc first) and nobody knows... or cares :D

[Kevynne]

How was the non-hotzone Lesser fay exp goin for ya? It's awesome being funneling into specific camps to progress.

noone got funneled there, we went to go farm sisters for cash and nameds for loot. we knew it wasn't a hotzone.

[Kevynne]

Global OOC is funny however, people calling "server first" on just about everything from levels to starting their epics. You ask the population if they can name all the server firsts (who got L5, L10, L15 etc first) and nobody knows... or cares :D

SURVUR FURST lvl 2 and 3 PALLY RIGHT HURR
also survur furst illusionists stone


lol nothing was funnier than that iksar who hit lvl 5 and then people went all FUCKYOUCHEATERHAXHAXHAXHAX

[Kevynne]

also; BDA is moving to sleeper by the looks of it

talisman= best guild ever cause it has p/r99 legends such as Chellsea, Swish, and Maybach

[impact]

A bit off topic but I have been watching this group who decided to develop EQ from scratch in order to get a 100% classic experience, including the small UI and staring at the spellbook. They are developing slowly but surely. I probably won't play the server much but I will definitely check it out when it's done just for the nostalgia.

Here is their progress road map for the dev:
http://www.eqclassic.org/roadmap.php

[YendorLootmonkey]

also; BDA is moving to sleeper by the looks of it

False.

[feanan]

Yeah, dunno why anyone would leave p99, its obviously more fun pooping in socks and sitting around with your thumb up your ass at level 60

[Nune]

also; BDA is moving to sleeper by the looks of it

talisman= best guild ever cause it has p/r99 legends such as Chellsea, Swish, and Maybach

Maybach confirmed GM of own guild and non-factor on Red after month 1. Unlike the picture of the guy in my sig, I keeps it 3hunna

[Nune]

The point remains, the easy shit takes no time, so why would they release like this after spending so much time working on other aspects of the server? When I cook a steak I don't spend a day working on perfecting the marinade just to half-ass cook it in 2 minutes. Most of the broken quests probably just need updated itemID's.

Focusing on experience seems to have backfired, as many people have already quit because of it.

Also,

It's double hotzone modifier (15% -> 30%), not double experience. It still sucks, and your choices are limited since you are stuck in a hotzone to see any gain.

You are a poster child to my complete confusion as to why people HATE that server. Same thing happened when Red launched; /ooc in EC became a forum for people to rant for days about how bad EQ PvP is and how broken the game/server is and how shitty Red will be and how "you'll all come crawling back."

Life is all perception my friend. You say you can code Nek in 3 hours, so why don't you? I 0% believe that to be true, but that's just my opinion. You could: re-do Nek, and send it to Sleeper as a working zone that dozens of players would benefit from being fixed. OR. Be an elitist faggot on the wrong server's forums and post endless faggy paragraphs about how bad everything is, and how much better it could be: just being an all around faggot in general. Which path did you take, young Jedi?

The server's thriving for a week 1 launch. Red had 600+ on day 1, 200 avg in a few weeks; I guess I fail to see the population loss point as a doomsday scenario. You can box there, raiding is on a token system, a P99 size pop is not needed to play the content there: THAT was the focus, THAT was what the GM's prioritized. Kegz sits in game, listens to /ooc, listens to peoples tells, patches and resets the server live for the bigger issues, adjusted XP up when it was too low (still is, but its playable now). Hell, i gave him a small list of shit that was very broke lastnight and he added it to the shit to be patched today.

Haters wanna hate, Lovers wanna love, I don't want to do, none of the above, I want to piss on you.

[Allizia]

You are a poster child to my complete confusion as to why people HATE that server. Same thing happened when Red launched; /ooc in EC became a forum for people to rant for days about how bad EQ PvP is and how broken the game/server is and how shitty Red will be and how "you'll all come crawling back."

Life is all perception my friend. You say you can code Nek in 3 hours, so why don't you? I 0% believe that to be true, but that's just my opinion. You could: re-do Nek, and send it to Sleeper as a working zone that dozens of players would benefit from being fixed. OR. Be an elitist faggot on the wrong server's forums and post endless faggy paragraphs about how bad everything is, and how much better it could be: just being an all around faggot in general. Which path did you take, young Jedi?

The server's thriving for a week 1 launch. Red had 600+ on day 1, 200 avg in a few weeks; I guess I fail to see the population loss point as a doomsday scenario. You can box there, raiding is on a token system, a P99 size pop is not needed to play the content there: THAT was the focus, THAT was what the GM's prioritized. Kegz sits in game, listens to /ooc, listens to peoples tells, patches and resets the server live for the bigger issues, adjusted XP up when it was too low (still is, but its playable now). Hell, i gave him a small list of shit that was very broke lastnight and he added it to the shit to be patched today.

Haters wanna hate, Lovers wanna love, I don't want to do, none of the above, I want to piss on you.

Play it if you want, I'm just sharing my experience. I use P99 as a comparison, but I don't play on any server.

Development-wise, The sleeper is 5-10% of P99, depending on how well they did the end game. I have serious doubts about their ability to close that gap at all. Both servers started from the base Project EQ Database (It was noticeable if you knew the signs, but not "in your face obvious" on P99, as it is with The Sleeper).

My time means more to me than playing on a half-assed, "hard-core" revenge server that spent 2 years developing a months worth of work. I would assume many others would feel the same way. The ignored beta feedback and sheer amount of obvious bugs straight from PEQ does not bode well for the server, how long until donations are demanded to prevent a shutdown? How much time will you invest in the server before that happens? It obviously wasn't created for a realistic emulation, making it a very niche server (zomg we haz Velious) that was pushed out ahead of competitors with very little effort put in. Do you really think that will change going forward? If the server was serious about it's goals, it would still be in Alpha/Beta.

The difference between this:

https://epicemu.com/forum/april-2013-patch-notes
Against the fence, patching easy and obvious stuff as it's pushed in front of him, not a good place to be when exploits and critical issues start showing up.

And these:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=98585
P99 has a solid dev team, sort of slow but steady, although they are very heavily bound by "classic", protecting what they have(limiting dev resources) and the need to meticulously research everything they do.

http://www.thehiddenforest.org/portal.php
THF has probably the most capable and unbound dev team I've seen on emu, although the "pay to win" trend is crap

http://www.eqclassic.org/roadmap.php
Like 5 years of development, starting pretty much from scratch, I would have to play it just to show respect to the commitment they have shown over time. Organized and pretty consistent.

Is not even comparable if any kind of quality or longevity matters to you.

Just because I can see the difference doesn't mean I have any desire to fix anything on their server. I'm rarely even at home long enough to start any projects. I did report a few exploits while I was there though, you're welcome.

[Swish]

People of P99 just mad that another server might steal or dent population here so there's nobody to inspect them in EC tunnel.

If anyone was mad the thread wouldn't exist and martial law on the forums would be in effect to make sure it was never ever mentioned ever ever again.

Your trolling needs some work :rolleyes:

[SamwiseRed]

dont think anyone is mad really. people just get defensive about their emu. honestly i think 2 servers is great. competition brings improvements. this may or may not be related but the ban wave happened right after server released, probably a coincidence but it also could have been to flex on one of the strengths of the server which is supposed to be a hack-free environment. its better for the eq classic player to have choice, hopefully toop sticks with it.

[Nune]

blah blah blah I'm mad

You're too immersed in self-righteousness to be taken seriously. You're one less person bitching about the server in /ooc, beyond that you're some npcf. A hater can never truly enjoy something; for they will either express their efforts towards how bad it is, or how much better you could do it. Sound like you? I feel as though you're citing the fact you could code Nek ground up in 3 hours as some point of reference to how bad their dev team is. It says, right on the site, that this project is a group of people who know a lot about one thing, never claimed to have it all and done right.

Mad at pixels.
Sad at trolling.
Bad at basketball.

[Allizia]

Blah Blah... You're one less person bitching about the server in /ooc,

Actually, there are many less people bitching in /ooc over basic, easy to fix issues. People flat out begging for some kind of change or response 1 week in. Keep in mind, every person quitting over some issue vocally is likely shadowed by 10 that won't even bother saying anything.

https://epicemu.com/forum/xp
https://epicemu.com/forum/nek-forest-not-hotzone-anymore
https://epicemu.com/forum/stonebrunt-mountains-asap-0
https://epicemu.com/forum/xp-changed-again
https://epicemu.com/forum/everfrost-area
https://epicemu.com/forum/teleport-pad-freeport
https://epicemu.com/forums/general-issues
http://www.rerolled.org/showthread.php?1232-EQ-The-Sleeper/page16


Blah Blah Sound like you? I feel as though you're citing the fact you could code Nek ground up in 3 hours as some point of reference to how bad their dev team is.

Never said anything about "coding" nek. You don't need to "code" nek. You take the existing DB and change some entries to get Sleeper quality content (<-- This part is important. I'm not saying I could release a quality product in 3 hours, I'm saying I could release a banged up, half-assed, wannabe Nek similiar to the sleeper content in that time). It can be done in GM mode just as fast. About as complicated as your time sheet at McDonalds, to give a reference. Many zones haven't even been touched there. Regardless of how good or bad the dev team is, they released a pile of shit that could have been easily avoided/mitigated.

It says, right on the site, that this project is a group of people who know a lot about one thing, never claimed to have it all and done right.

They can do whatever they want, and so can you and everyone else. I'm staying away because I can't see any quality or longevity in their product, and time isn't free, even on free servers.

[Kieu]

Whats the pop over there? -15?

[Stinkum]

Yabber Yabber I'm angry that another Everquest server exists yabber yabber

Why does this angry nerd keep talking about how he can code Nek 100% classic in 1/2 an hour with his hands tied behind his back?

If you can do that then make your own server. It's pretty easy to talk big on the internet.

[Sularus Oth Mithas]

Whats the pop over there? -15?

In crushbone. I'm running into people any zone I go into. Fairly healthy at the moment, whether it stays that way remains to be seen.

Yes I answered your troll post seriously.

[Allizia]

Why does this angry nerd keep talking about how he can code Nek 100% classic in 1/2 an hour with his hands tied behind his back?

If you can do that then make your own server. It's pretty easy to talk big on the internet.

I'm sooo anger!

Has the tech support forum doubled all other posts combined yet? 380 vs 240! Doing big things!

[Kimm Barely]

HAVE U EVER BEN SO MAD U CRATE OWN EMU?

http://i.imgur.com/9s26Zx7.png

[Kabilos]

I look at it this way, sure there are differences, one may be more polished than the other.

There are a bunch of people who want to play on a new server, from the start. Being a player who started on P99 years after it was already up and going and R99 at launch (not being a big pvp fan though).

I wanted something that was new, where everyone was new and there were no twinks. The genuine experience. Does Sleeper have it.. for now, yes, are there bugs, yes.

If P99 were to release another server call it Green for namesake. I think that the population would drift back over because we know what kind of hard work has been put in on this side.

but like others have said, people socking waiting for spawns, constant bickering, gm favoring has been pretty lame, even from someone who has only played a handful of hours on either server.

Just my 2cp.

[Swish]

I'd say Kegz and pals have got a good window now to get as many bugs (that should have been sorted out during the server's 2 year beta) fixed as possible. If The Sleeper is still a bug ridden hellhole with painfully slow XP and seeming penalties for solo players versus boxers, I'd say the day Velious releases on P99 is the day they'll lose a chunk of their population.

I don't doubt there's people who have done everything they want to do on P99 before Velious is released and are looking for that vacation to somewhere else, but how many come back is dependant on how soon things get fixed over there and how the guild situation ends up being. At the moment there's a couple of contenders for the #1 spot, but with nobody anywhere near raiding it won't matter...and there will probably be a merge to create a zerg raid force, and its just P99 history repeating.

I'm on the fence with the server. I think a lot more could have been done during the beta, it feels like PEQ over there and that it wasn't ready for release, but if they launched the server after Velious on P99 they'd have had a very small population.

Only thing going for The Sleeper...talk of further expansions already. P99's future isn't so clear. I'd love to roll a beastlord, fuck yeah...

[Kruel]

Im not sure why the entire lot of people dont move to sleepers. P99 has been sitting on the same damn expansion since march of 2011 - thats absolutely insane - people still poop sockin the same old shit... No talk of Velious - no talk of velious beta (this would be out at least 6 months before an actual release). Man up - grind out some levels - make new friends and kill better crap. Not a knock on P99 - they have a great server... although 2+ years of the same expansion is a long time to chill in kunark

[Allizia]

I look at it this way, sure there are differences, one may be more polished than the other.

There are a bunch of people who want to play on a new server, from the start. Being a player who started on P99 years after it was already up and going and R99 at launch (not being a big pvp fan though).

I wanted something that was new, where everyone was new and there were no twinks. The genuine experience. Does Sleeper have it.. for now, yes, are there bugs, yes.

If P99 were to release another server call it Green for namesake. I think that the population would drift back over because we know what kind of hard work has been put in on this side.

but like others have said, people socking waiting for spawns, constant bickering, gm favoring has been pretty lame, even from someone who has only played a handful of hours on either server.

Just my 2cp.

I always thought P99 should release a casual type server (green works perfect), that allows non-competitive access to raid content. There is no doubt a large base of players that would just like to experience EQ content without all the drama and BS (although player competition is a different experience and blue should not go away, it's level of competition is definitely not classic)

Even if they just make a P99 replica (late kunark for ease of keeping the server updated) and added a system like guild tokens from Sleeper, it would likely be successful and bring back some casual players that have left. It would allow those that still play and future players the access to the content/play-style of their choice/ability.

Set it in the future, with some kind of Time Chrono dude ("Very well mortals, I will bring you to the era of Lord Nagafen, ready yourselves!) that depops and spawns the raid target when something is handed in.

I'm sure it's been brought up before though.

[Kabilos]

I always thought P99 should release a casual type server (green works perfect), that allows non-competitive access to raid content. There is no doubt a large base of players that would just like to experience EQ content without all the drama and BS (although that competition is a different experience and blue should not go away)

Even if they just make a P99 replica (late kunark for ease of keeping the server updated) and added a system like guild tokens from Sleeper, it would likely be successful and bring back some casual players that have left. It would allow those that still play and future players the access to the content/play-style of their choice/ability.

Set it in the future, with some kind of Time Chrono dude ("Very well mortals, I will bring you to the era of Lord Nagafen, ready yourselves!) that depops and spawns the raid target when something is handed in.

I'm sure it's been brought up before though.


Hell if they did this I'd easily give up my 40 hour a week WOW addiction and bring my old guild back with me. There are a ton of people from original Brell that are playing WoW and misc emulated games at the same time. Missing the old content. But until something like that happens, I'll invest a few hours in a new halfling cleric on Sleeper

[Swish]

No talk of Velious...

Now, while I don't mind waiting... there has been recent postings regarding Velious by Sirken. I'd say its closer than you think, Q4 2013/Q1 2014? My plat is on that period.

You're basically saying that you can't wait for Velious and need to experience it on another server? There's always Live. The Sleeper, to some, is merely a test ground for people wanting to camp various pixels when it launches here...P99's bitch, if you will ;)

I like how "hot zones" give a 15% XP bonus... so people run from ZEMs of 150 to ZEMs of 75 to enjoy that bonus. People are easily trolled.

What the server needs is better regular XP, and doing away with "warm zones".

[Kruel]

[QUOTE=Swish;922296]Now, while I don't mind waiting... there has been recent postings regarding Velious by Sirken. I'd say its closer than you think, Q4 2013/Q1 2014? My plat is on that period.
QUOTE]

I would like to believe you but I remember a year before they released Kunark. Uthgaard telling us all at the entrance of sebilis that Kunark is "Very Soon".. I remember hobby telling us "Kunark is done other than some minor work".. a year later we got the expansion.... as year of your time is a long time to wait - when you have another server already with it...

[Swish]

Ok, well Kunark release here was 10x better and more polished than Velious release on Sleeper... that's all I can really add.

EDIT: ...and P99 didn't have 2 years of Kunark beta.

[Kabilos]

Someone just turned in a major bug and declined the reward and asked for increased experience.

Starting in 15 minutes, double XP across the entire server for the day!

[Swish]

Kegz is far too fickle... we'll have 15% hotzone XP some days, 30% hotzone XP on weekends, today we'll do this, tomorrow we'll do that.

The server needs a faster rate of XP if people are going to stick around. Killing an even con orc (blowing most of my mana pool as a druid) at level 8-9 and getting 1% XP for it? I'll just sit and med another 99 times and I'll get a level...

Not keen. Promotional BS like the above mentioned is nice on one hand, but he's not dealing with the bigger picture.

(inb4 "omg stop whining about the xp"...the first rule about the XP on Sleeper is you don't talk about it, or people get :mad: :mad: :mad:)

[Cadis]

For all those whinners, play it for a week before you diss it. Give it time and slowly bugs and other things will be fixed. So far its actually similar to what p99 was when it was first released, but xp more tune to how classic was on live which is the only difference. Even though kunark and velious in, will give the player base and the development team time to fine tune things as players slowly make there way into them.

This way its actually will eventually bypass p99 in terms of development , whilst p99 will still be tuning velious beta or whatever with only 1-3 developers whilst sleepers will have 150+ players developing the content as they make there way through it.

[Swish]

(inb4 "omg stop whining about the xp"...)

Close call :rolleyes:

[Nips]

Kegz is far too fickle... we'll have 15% hotzone XP some days, 30% hotzone XP on weekends, today we'll do this, tomorrow we'll do that.

The server needs a faster rate of XP if people are going to stick around. Killing an even con orc (blowing most of my mana pool as a druid) at level 8-9 and getting 1% XP for it? I'll just sit and med another 99 times and I'll get a level...

Not keen. Promotional BS like the above mentioned is nice on one hand, but he's not dealing with the bigger picture.

(inb4 "omg stop whining about the xp"...the first rule about the XP on Sleeper is you don't talk about it, or people get :mad: :mad: :mad:)

Agree, he needs to quit with the random "today is a bonus day!" and just up the xp overall. Also, instead of all of these random hotzones, just make the noob zones hot zones that way 90 percent of the ppl that play on that server don't quit before lvl 4.

[skorge]

So far its actually similar to what p99 was when it was first released, but xp more tune to how classic was on live which is the only difference

You are wrong and this is why I won't even attempt to play the Sleeper. I clearly remember making my first class in EQ back in April 1999 (on day one of EQ release) and playing him. He was a human mage. I remember those early levels. I know for a fact, that even completely naked, it didn't take me 9+ hours to make it halfway through level 5 (this is what another person claimed on their forums). In fact, I remember soloing 5-6 in just 2-3 hours or so, even back in 1999, which is what is like here.

This is a bad sign for me as it's a critical aspect of the game. I won't even bother with it until I hear better things of it and they fix this insanely slow experience rate.

[Swish]

Agree, he needs to quit with the random "today is a bonus day!" and just up the xp overall. Also, instead of all of these random hotzones, just make the noob zones hot zones that way 90 percent of the ppl that play on that server don't quit before lvl 4.

Logical solution, I'd have Nips as the GM tomorrow.

[Sularus Oth Mithas]

You are wrong and this is why I won't even attempt to play the Sleeper. I clearly remember making my first class in EQ back in April 1999 (on day one of EQ release) and playing him. He was a human mage. I remember those early levels. I know for a fact, that even completely naked, it didn't take me 9+ hours to make it halfway through level 5 (this is what another person claimed on their forums). In fact, I remember soloing 5-6 in just 2-3 hours or so, even back in 1999, which is what is like here.

This is a bad sign for me as it's a critical aspect of the game. I won't even bother with it until I hear better things of it and they fix this insanely slow experience rate.

You and I remember things pretty differently, I started in December of 99 and it took me about 4 days to reach level 10 as a mage. Then again I was doing more than just leveling, everything was so huge and there was so much too explore I think I spent one day going from Felwithe to Freeport and just exploring the cities. P99 seems pretty accurate to me but it's hard to say because 99 was a long time ago and so many games in between. Memory is a funny thing.

I will agree though that Sleeper does seem a might bit too slow, but I've heard it picks up past level 10 so I am going to stick it out.

[Jzendo]

I switched over and so far the community has been pretty fun. Things don't exactly feel right- loots for low-lvl iksar are a bit high for what they should be and, as has been beat to hell and back, the xp in non-hotzone non-dungeons is prohibitively brutal. The typical response has been "p99 got xp wrong"... I'd hope that Kegz eventually caves and scoots the xp rate up a notch or two, but either way it'll be interesting to see how well the raid token idea works- or if it'll even be needed given lower server pop and 2 expansions' worth of raid targets.

[Kevynne]

You and I remember things pretty differently, I started in December of 99 and it took me about 4 days to reach level 10 as a mage. Then again I was doing more than just leveling, everything was so huge and there was so much too explore I think I spent one day going from Felwithe to Freeport and just exploring the cities. P99 seems pretty accurate to me but it's hard to say because 99 was a long time ago and so many games in between. Memory is a funny thing.

I will agree though that Sleeper does seem a might bit too slow, but I've heard it picks up past level 10 so I am going to stick it out.

i can confirm it picks up after 10.
was in warrens (NON HOTZONE) and getting 2% per teal, 4% per blue and got a 7% on yel and 8% on a red

[Swish]

Server down for maintenance at 10pm EST...is that bad?

[Anderdale]

i can confirm it picks up after 10.
was in warrens (NON HOTZONE) and getting 2% per teal, 4% per blue and got a 7% on yel and 8% on a red

1-4 was insanely rough. Now that i am 5 it is better but still sucks. Looking forward to getting to 10 or so. Need to get away from CB i think. too many trains. Plus it seems like NRO, SRO, Oasis are always hotzones

[Kieu]

For all those whinners, play it for a week before you diss it. Give it time and slowly bugs and other things will be fixed. So far its actually similar to what p99 was when it was first released, but xp more tune to how classic was on live which is the only difference. Even though kunark and velious in, will give the player base and the development team time to fine tune things as players slowly make there way into them.

This way its actually will eventually bypass p99 in terms of development , whilst p99 will still be tuning velious beta or whatever with only 1-3 developers whilst sleepers will have 150+ players developing the content as they make there way through it.

You're a moron, shut up. lol Make an account here just to post that bullshit? Waste of time.

[Kevynne]

1-4 was insanely rough. Now that i am 5 it is better but still sucks. Looking forward to getting to 10 or so. Need to get away from CB i think. too many trains. Plus it seems like NRO, SRO, Oasis are always hotzones

I went to warrens, which is amazing low ke loot. Also has same ZEM as cb

[Kevynne]

You're a moron, shut up. lol Make an account here just to post that bullshit? Waste of time.

Who is the albino crack addict in ur sig/avatar?

[Kieu]

Who is the albino crack addict in ur sig/avatar?

Someone much better looking than you, I am afraid.

[Kagatob]

Someone much better looking than you, I am afraid.

I've seen Veeshaan's photos. Your statement is quite untrue.

[Kieu]

I've seen Veeshaan's photos. Your statement is quite untrue.

Where are the photo shoots? Non existent.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Locked in nektulos during the exp bonus. Aww yeah. As much as I want to play a new server, it isn't this one. This one is a broken piece of shit with almost 0 effort put into it.

[Bruman]

That shit is still broken? I hope it's fixed when I can play tonight. The server was down for all of primetime last night, then when it was briefly up, all I managed to do was to be the first person to realize Nek Forest was broken. Then other people got stuck. Then it went down again. Then it was still fucked. Then the zone was taken offline. Then I went to bed.

I can understand having issues, but how do simple things like teleporters and zonelines not get the kinks worked out? Note that you can get stuck in the tower in Paineel too (the teleport out doesn't work). And I know they know about it, Kegz had to retrieve me.

Being under a ticking exp bonus clock is just salt in the wound.

[Sirken]

I can understand having issues, but how do simple things like teleporters and zonelines not get the kinks worked out? Note that you can get stuck in the tower in Paineel too (the teleport out doesn't work). And I know they know about it, Kegz had to retrieve me.

its called no beta testing.

and before all the fanboi's start, theres a difference between opening server a and calling it a beta or a beta test, and then actually going forward and actually beta testing the product.

from everything ive heard (and granted i dont play so i could be wrong), it seems lots of issues reported in "beta" still exist. people are allowed to 4 box (sorry, 2 people per connection are allowed to 2 box... lol).

no offense intended, but until their devs learn how to track MQ/SEQ as well as illegal boxing, this server will be a cesspool of kids that were banned from p99 for cheating. evidenced by the fact the person behind this server only created it because he was banned from p99.

sounds fun.

[Stinkum]

Someone much better looking than you, I am afraid.

Hate to break it to you but you're creepy as hell.. She looks 10 years old an on drugs.

Assuming you're a registered sex offender from here on out.

[Stinkum]

its called no beta testing.

and before all the fanboi's start, theres a difference between opening server a and calling it a beta or a beta test, and then actually going forward and actually beta testing the product.

from everything ive heard (and granted i dont play so i could be wrong), it seems lots of issues reported in "beta" still exist.

This describes the launch of R99 to incredibly accurately.

Not saying I disagree with you that this applies to The Sleeper though.

[Sirken]

This describes the launch of R99 to incredibly accurately.

Not saying I disagree with you that this applies to The Sleeper though.

start a thread about R99, and ill share my thoughts on it as well. but ive stated many times what i think is wrong with R99.

and if you look at my post history from right before red opened (aug or sept 2011) you can even look up my pvp manifesto ;)

[Bruman]

from everything ive heard (and granted i dont play so i could be wrong), it seems lots of issues reported in "beta" still exist.

Yeah, I've heard the same from a few friends who beta'd. The exp gain on beta was super high (on purpose), so the early stuff wasn't tested much. Some of it was reported, but most of the focus was apparently on tuning higher end dungeons and raid mobs. I've also heard that while it should now be functional, that the balance is probably still pretty far off (too easy / too hard). My guess is it'll be very exploitable too.

people are allowed to 4 box (sorry, 2 people per connection are allowed to 2 box... lol).

Meh, no different than people playing with their "girlfriend / wife" on P99. I'm sure you guys work to crack down on that, and I'm sure they will too.

I got an IP exemption and tried to get my wife to play a cleric, but she refused. Oh well.


no offense intended, but until their devs learn how to track MQ/SEQ as well as illegal boxing, this server will be a cesspool of kids that were banned from p99 for cheating. evidenced by the fact the person behind this server only created it because he was banned from p99.

Depends on who you talk to. That's one story, the other story is that he was using MQ/SEQ to gather data to put into his own server, that he was already building. That also would go with the "Toop stole data/code from P99" (which obviously isn't true in the way that was intended, or else things would be in a LOT better shape on Sleeper, heh).

As far as "cesspool" of cheaters...that's a way off statement. Most of the people are just...people. Same as here. I'm sure some banned P99'ers will show up there, obviously. I guess they're given a chance to not do it again (or not get caught). Many of P99 top-end raiders are cheaters too, and P99 lost a lot of integrity when they weren't given the ban-hammer for it. Now they know P99 has the detection, so they do it on alt accounts and through proxies. It still happens.

Even then, it's all of matter of "which cesspool do you prefer"?

P99
-Miserable childish raid scene (I haven't been on the forums for a long time, for shits-and-giggles I dipped into RnF, same thing - every kill, there's a thread, and shitting on one another, trains, bickering, etc, the drama never ends or grows up)
-Very stale content (I think visibility into progress on Velious would help)
-Jacked twink-laden economy (top-end stuff is perma-camped and way too expensive for new people)
-Raid scene is only for the hardcorest of poopsockers and trainers
-We were told that variance would be shortened and we'd get simulated patch-day resets, instead variance was made longer
+Levels 1-59 content is very well done, and very Classic-like, if you can find a group
+Server is very stable
+Low/mid level gear is cheap

Sleeper
-Still in a rough beta, not fixing issues near fast enough
-Horrible, horrible, horrible forums
-Exp needs about a 30% boost
-Easier for cheaters to persist at this time
-A lot of downtime lately
+Fresh server
+Those "limited time" items are available, always fun
+2-boxing is a positive for most people
+New content (Warrens + Velious)

[Bruman]

You really are a fucking idiot aren't you. You'll fit right in among the trash players of The Sleeper, enjoy

This is an example of the bad attitude and immaturity a lot of P99 players have. Unfortunately it's also the most vocal type and can overshadow the good ones.

[feanan]

Bruman, nice post.

Cameron, why don't you keep that crap in RNF?

Mods, where are you?

[Kieu]

Hate to break it to you but you're creepy as hell.. She looks 10 years old an on drugs.

Assuming you're a registered sex offender from here on out.

Yeah, I'm totally creepy. She is 20, and a musician that I listen to often. Pardon me, next time I'll make some retarded games of thrones avatar.

Assume whatever you want, I am a couple years older than she is. Not everyone has to like what you like.

[Stinkum]

Yeah, I'm totally creepy. She is 20, and a musician that I listen to often. Pardon me, next time I'll make some retarded games of thrones avatar.

Assume whatever you want, I am a couple years older than she is. Not everyone has to like what you like.

She may be 20 but she still looks 10, which says a lot about you.

Combine that with both the sig and the avatar obsessiveness combo and you have a probable sex offender.

[SamwiseRed]

i have bigger boobs than her

[Kieu]

Yeah, having a gf that is petite makes you a sex offender. You're a moron. Do you know the difference between a little girl and a petite woman? Apparently not. I'd suggest you're part of the list already registered in your town. Terrible judgement, there are people that like large women. What difference is there in liking smaller structured women? I'd imagine to you that is blasphemy. I know the difference between a little girl and someone my own age, maybe if you're 50 they all look 10.

Might as well call someone liking Milla Jovovich a sex offender, she has small boobs. Grounds for being 10 years old.

[Stinkum]

I dunno what to tell you other than having a 10 year old looking girl as both your sig and avatar and talking about how attracted you are to her is really creepy. Rationalize it however way makes you sleep better at night.

[Kieu]

I'm not rationalizing anything. At what point did I ever say how attracted I am to her? I said I like her music, and listen to it often. I don't deny she is good looking, I'm not afraid to say that. It is not the purpose in why she is there. Judging others is a great way to make you feel better at night I am sure. For all you know I could have been gay, do I have to justify my actions to you? Nope. I will defend myself against ignorance, that I don't mind.

[47shadesofgay]

I thought that was some sort of methed-out 16 year old lol. I thought it was like a 4chan joke or something.. not a musician people fantasized about. O_O

Edit: now im curious, whats her name? I assume it's a chick by the talk in this thread..

[Kieu]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky_Ferreira For the record, the pictures I have are from late last year. Meaning she isn't 16, or 17 in them.

[47shadesofgay]

You'd tag her, don't lie

Just googled it, yah I would.

Not sure what's going on in the pic in that one dude's sig, but she doesn't normally look that messed up according to Google image search.

7/10 would bang.

[Sirken]

i know absolutely nothing about her so could be way off base... but she looks like someone that will turn up dead one morning in a hotel room due to unknown causes that will later be diagnosed as a prescription drug over dose. i give it 5-6 years max

[Barkingturtle]

She looks like her hair smells like pee.

[Kagatob]

i know absolutely nothing about her so could be way off base... but she looks like someone that will turn up dead one morning in a hotel room due to unknown causes that will later be diagnosed as a prescription drug over dose. i give it 5-6 years max

She looks like her hair smells like pee.

[Kevynne]

I thought that was some sort of methed-out 16 year old lol. I thought it was like a 4chan joke or something.. not a musician people fantasized about. O_O

Edit: now im curious, whats her name? I assume it's a chick by the talk in this thread..

[Kevynne]

Where are the photo shoots? Non existent.

skype bro.

[Swish]

It was stated last night in global ooc that there's more chat about the Sleeper server in this thread than there is on that dogshit forum they've got. I agree.

So bonus XP finished last night and a lot of the server logged out, tells you something about the XP rate...

[HeallunRumblebelly]

It was stated last night in global ooc that there's more chat about the Sleeper server in this thread than there is on that dogshit forum they've got. I agree.

So bonus XP finished last night and a lot of the server logged out, tells you something about the XP rate...

Right, but if it was just the exp rate I'd stick it out np. But if they can't handle vendors / zone disconnects / out of era shit EVERYWHERE, what the fuck is velious gonna look like?
AOEs everywhere with -resist components, complex as shit resist checks based on where it lies in the patch history, and his AC formula is just sad at this level, though p99 only a little better in that regard, heh.

[Swish]

At worst I guess Nilbog/Rogean will look over there, laugh, and be determined not to let the same mistakes happen here... in fact I'd wager they're way ahead and that Velious will be much more polished by the time it's released (still in no rush for it).

Again, the beta there seems to have been completely useless in terms of feedback and fixes... did they really have 2 years to work on it before it came up or is that just a rumor? :/

[Sirken]

did they really have 2 years to work on it before it came up or is that just a rumor? :/

they've had since the leader of peace pipe was banned for cheating and announced he was starting his own server to avoid the tyrannical oppression that is our MQ detector.

[Swish]

The only thing missing over there is clown suits, juggling acts and a freak show...why do I log in, I ask myself? :(

The lag last night....

http://i.imgur.com/oFUe9iO.jpg

[Unusen]

This server is nothing but god damn noobs. Reminds me how much I hate everything sub-endgame.

[Allizia]

Told you soooo. Some of the bugs being posted are hilarious. No loot from most frogloks, people turning in 7 CB belts at level 5 for 1 blue pixel of exp., group bugs, PeQ spawn variances for normal exp mobs, no pathing for some roamers that nearly insta respawn, busted zonelines, busted quests, busted spell tables, busted tradeskills, busted forges, busted loot tables, busted spawns, busted exp, busted pathing, busted forums, busted server.

[Noselacri]

It nevertheless speaks volumes of the state of P99's metagame when such a monumentally terrible server can draw like 200 players, almost all of whom can be assumed to be from here. P99 always had that giant elephant in the endgame room, and now nothing new has happened for two years. Even an absolute joke of a server apparently looks tempting to quite a lot of people because this place is such a dead end these days.

[skorge]

Told you soooo. Some of the bugs being posted are hilarious. No loot from most frogloks, people turning in 7 CB belts at level 5 for 1 blue pixel of exp., group bugs, PeQ spawn variances for normal exp mobs, no pathing for some roamers that nearly insta respawn, busted zonelines, busted quests, busted spell tables, busted tradeskills, busted forges, busted loot tables, busted spawns, busted exp, busted pathing, busted forums, busted server.

Lol that was me, haha. Yea I started yesterday to see how it is for myself. There are so many bugs and I haven't really left Innothule Swamp yet. I think I've put in 15 hours total and have only made it to level 7 (I'm boxing a shaman and shadowknight).

When I first started up yesterday I noticed frogloks weren't running that fast. Kegz popped in and asked me which mobs I was able to outrun. I told him frogloks. They were at 1.25 run speed instead of 1.7 (player run speed)...so I had bugs basically within the first few moments I was in the game.

The level 1-10 range on this server is so screwed. This is coming from a guy who started Red99 on day one and toughed it out. I thought it was hard starting up on Red from scratch. This is way worse. Since mobs are just poofing after you kill them, it's almost impossible to earn money. In my 15 hours I've only made 15 plat or so. On Red I made WAY more than that in that same time.

I think I am going to give it until I get level 10+ to see if it gets better. People are saying at 10+ the experience starts getting better...if anything I would like to try to make 14 and bind at the pots, haha.

[quido]

For every one broken thing you find, there's 50 broken things you haven't found yet.

[Swish]

It nevertheless speaks volumes of the state of P99's metagame when such a monumentally terrible server can draw like 200 players, almost all of whom can be assumed to be from here. P99 always had that giant elephant in the endgame room, and now nothing new has happened for two years. Even an absolute joke of a server apparently looks tempting to quite a lot of people because this place is such a dead end these days.

The fabled 200. Kegz wont implement the "count" feature or put the population on the server select screen...I'd like a real figure from unique IP addresses to see how many are really playing, as in people not characters.

If that really is Toop then there's a hint of respect for following through on saying he was setting up his own server, but as mentioned there's more wrong over there than there is right. People want to see Velious, amirite? Well good luck getting there with that XP rate :D

[HeallunRumblebelly]

The fabled 200. Kegz wont implement the "count" feature or put the population on the server select screen...I'd like a real figure from unique IP addresses to see how many are really playing, as in people not characters.

If that really is Toop then there's a hint of respect for following through on saying he was setting up his own server, but as mentioned there's more wrong over there than there is right. People want to see Velious, amirite? Well good luck getting there with that XP rate :D

Eh. I'm already 14 and experience really isn't bad in dungeons. Looking at his ZEMs, though, there isn't a 50+ area with a ZEM higher than 85, a bit troubling. Sooooooooo much shit is beyond words broken it hurts to play sometimes, but I do enjoy it, so... I dunno o_o

[Smyd]

Having tons of fun. Even if the xp stays the way it is I will stick with it due to challenge level. Its fun starting fresh with everyone around you again.

gonna find this server, it sounds mantastic :)

[quido]

I'm pretty sure most people don't know how to implement the server population feature at server select... I never tried myself, but I understand it's some offset that's tricky to find.

[A1551]

What I don't understand is how the exp can be so messed up. The mechanics behind classic EXP are both well known, and at least from what I have read, seem fairly straight forward.

So why is it so off? XP from a mob should be a function of the mob's level and the ZEM. Xp required to level should be a function of a person's level, race, class, and hell multiplier. I understand there are a number of caveats to the system (group bonus/sharing, pet penalties, light blue mobs, etc) but none of these seem like huge question marks that should cause the complaints being aired over the sleeper.

Is the system drastically more complicated than I am making it out to be, or are the devs over there just really sloppy? Or is there some other legit answer, lol.

Not trying to rag on the sleeper, I genuinely want to know!

PS Swish quit wasting time playing over there and come back and play with us :D

[Noselacri]

If that really is Toop then there's a hint of respect for following through on saying he was setting up his own server,

Considering the fact that it appears to be a stock PEQ database with almost nothing changed/fixed, I'm not sure it's such a big accomplishment. The server has a chance to redeem itself if it turns out the level 50+ content is absolutely flawless, but it seems unlikely. If the endgame is as broken as the first 30 levels of content, that server is an utter farce for having been in development for two years and yet failing to meet even what little expectations there can be for a random emu server run by amateur hobbyists.

[Swish]

Is the system drastically more complicated than I am making it out to be, or are the devs over there just really sloppy? Or is there some other legit answer, lol.

Not trying to rag on the sleeper, I genuinely want to know!

PS Swish quit wasting time playing over there and come back and play with us :D

Well Kegz can't seem to decide on the XP rate. The fact that base XP is so slow isn't right. I logged in on the beta the night before the launch and tested the bard letter quest. At level 1 it gave 16% of the level on handing in.

The server launches properly, the same quest gave ~0.5% XP so he's obviously turned it down for a reason. I'd say its with a purpose. If everyone levels to 60 at a P99 speed, they'll likely be bored by the time Velious hits P99 and the server could die a death.

Adding "hot zones" with 15% bonus XP (based on shit XP to begin with) really doesn't tick any boxes for me. Immersion ruined, I don't want to kill 100-120 spiderlings in Field of Bone to get L4. Fair enough to those that do, but its a lot of effort.

I'm fully back in about a month from now, fear not :)

[Servellious]

Told you soooo. Some of the bugs being posted are hilarious. No loot from most frogloks, people turning in 7 CB belts at level 5 for 1 blue pixel of exp., group bugs, PeQ spawn variances for normal exp mobs, no pathing for some roamers that nearly insta respawn, busted zonelines, busted quests, busted spell tables, busted tradeskills, busted forges, busted loot tables, busted spawns, busted exp, busted pathing, busted forums, busted server.

Sure does beat waiting for your cell phone to go off or spamming track every 10 seconds but hey p99 is all about competition and leaving your character at character select screen not actually playing it

[Swish]

Sure does beat waiting for your cell phone to go off or spamming track every 10 seconds but hey p99 is all about competition and leaving your character at character select screen not actually playing it

Welcome to 2014 on Sleeper, if the server manages not to have a competitive end game raiding scene it'll be due to a lack of population rather than anything else... with ex-P99ers that weren't top dogs here.

[Bruman]

The server launches properly, the same quest gave ~0.5% XP so he's obviously turned it down for a reason. I'd say its with a purpose. If everyone levels to 60 at a P99 speed, they'll likely be bored by the time Velious hits P99 and the server could die a death.

Yeah, they said while I was getting things set up and working during beta that exp was about nine times what they planned for launch. They purposefully had it jacked up so people wouldn't have to grind out levels.

This is actually (one of) the things that led to this launch having so many damn issues - noone spent time at low levels. Supposedly they spent a lot more time on higher level areas and raids, but I don't have a ton of hope that it won't be screwy there too.

The proper way to do this launch would've have been to go through, zone by zone, every mob and their drops. Instead, it seems they just started playing and only fixed whatever people explicitly brought up. And some things that they did bring up were also ignored (with no feedback).

I wonder how Velious launch here will be. I remember when epics launched here, even with nilbog's team and the testing, they were all jacked up - at least, the monk epic was. Not one part of it was without error. All the spawn times were off by a factor of 10, Eejag didn't leash, almost all of them hit for the wrong amounts, the graphics on some were wrong, etc. But I did the same thing then that I'm doing now - report a bug, and move on. I think it took about a month to get those fixed here. Just saying we shouldn't hold one group to standards we don't hold the other. In the end, the monk epic was completable, just like on Sleeper, it's playable, even with the ever growing bug list (or as I call it, shit mountain).

[Safon]

The Sleeper: a server by cheaters for cheaters. A haven for the boxers and banned of P99

[Rhambuk]

No interest personally.

Best of luck to the server and those who decide to play on it.

[Stinkum]

The Sleeper: a server by cheaters for cheaters. A haven for the boxers and banned of P99

You're bad at trolling. : \

[Safon]

You're bad at trolling. : \

And you're blind friend

[Seredoc]

Been playing there for a week. So far my necro is lvl 3 because finding a white spawn that doesn't have three yellows running me over due to the pathing being so terrible is a chore. Half the yellow spawns are serious undercons(lvl 4 skele hitting me for 27, ya not okay) and all of the blues give no xp.

I killed about a dozen blue con halflings and decaying skeles and I made 1 blue tick. Not one blue bubble but 1 of those little white bars inside it. If they expect this to make the game more of a "just go party and have fun while leveling!" then they missed the mark by a mile.

Going to give it until sunday or monday to speed up and then fug it, this shit's retarded.

[Swish]

Seemed quicker to find mobs you need on Kunark/FoB...more even cons and yellows, though the scorp pincer quest is broken.

I think any server based around classic/Velious has potential but casual players arent going to see any Velious stuff for a month or more. People turned up dor Velious and cant get past level 20 without a serious grind - a server for the foodstamp/unemployed community.

[greatdane]

Nothing works on this server lol. It's 99% stock peq with every bug that comes with it. Dunno what the devs did in the insanely long beta but they sure as shit didn't fix even the most basic stuff. There's something wrong with literally everything.

[Bruman]

Seemed quicker to find mobs you need on Kunark/FoB...more even cons and yellows, though the scorp pincer quest is broken.

I think any server based around classic/Velious has potential but casual players arent going to see any Velious stuff for a month or more. People turned up dor Velious and cant get past level 20 without a serious grind - a server for the foodstamp/unemployed community.

FWIW, some people are in Velious already. One duo that I know of that's there now works a regular 40 hour a week job, doing scientific research.

We made it just a little into Runnyeye yesterday. There's one spot where you aggro 5 mobs at once, just trying to get to the second floor. There's no way around it. If not for my AE bard mez, it'd be impossible on-level.

[Tyrion]

Server seems alot more empty in the noob areas. I rerolled and it seemed like a ghost town. Server seems to be dieing already.

[Sularus Oth Mithas]

Server seems alot more empty in the noob areas. I rerolled and it seemed like a ghost town. Server seems to be dieing already.

Not so much dying as not expanding. It may draw the occasional player but for the most part it is not right now it seems. So even with the slow leveling, you are going to see very few people in the starter areas as they are leveling out of it.

[skorge]

Been playing there for a week. So far my necro is lvl 3 because finding a white spawn that doesn't have three yellows running me over due to the pathing being so terrible is a chore. Half the yellow spawns are serious undercons(lvl 4 skele hitting me for 27, ya not okay) and all of the blues give no xp.

I killed about a dozen blue con halflings and decaying skeles and I made 1 blue tick. Not one blue bubble but 1 of those little white bars inside it. If they expect this to make the game more of a "just go party and have fun while leveling!" then they missed the mark by a mile.

Going to give it until sunday or monday to speed up and then fug it, this shit's retarded.

Two words. Upper Guk.

I was exping in the "hotzone" Innothule swamp. I finally moved into Uguk at level 7 and the exp was way better...blues were moving my bar. A white con in innothule swamp was barely moving my bar but a blue in upper guk moved it good...i think the hotzone exp must only be like 10-15% which is still shitty in the noob areas.

[Nune]

Two words. Upper Guk.

I was exping in the "hotzone" Innothule swamp. I finally moved into Uguk at level 7 and the exp was way better...blues were moving my bar. A white con in innothule swamp was barely moving my bar but a blue in upper guk moved it good...i think the hotzone exp must only be like 10-15% which is still shitty in the noob areas.

And yet again, "this" stories surfaces on a P99 board lol. Not true, confirmed. XP Rate may have been like that on day one but servers far past whining about XP and onto fixing the things needed to progress through the server. Which is about everything lol.. but the productive input has gone up sevenfold since the P99 trolls left and XP isnt the only complaint out of everyones mouth.

The whole "this is something different, so it will be easier. Turns out it's not easier, it's inferior" mindset is /yawn. P99 was better off @ 2 weeks in right? Oh, wait..

The more people cry in this thread while Sleeper pop does just fine, the more I cement my choice in staying there. If day 1 was your only exposure, I could understand the troll mentality that occurs. But it's 2 weeks later now and you are still complaining about fouls not being called in the first minute of the first quarter.

Or you could listen to Tyrion, who spent his time trying to steal game of thrones names, bitched about XP rates for 2 days and left the server. Only to come back 2 weeks later when everyone's leveled out of noob zones to call the server dead. That's the soldier fighting for your side bros.

[Nune]

Seemed quicker to find mobs you need on Kunark/FoB...more even cons and yellows, though the scorp pincer quest is broken.

I think any server based around classic/Velious has potential but casual players arent going to see any Velious stuff for a month or more. People turned up dor Velious and cant get past level 20 without a serious grind - a server for the foodstamp/unemployed community.

dafuq is your sig bro

[Anderdale]

bout to call it quits on this server. I wanted it to work i really did but I am out of stuff to do. I can't go to the dungeons and group for hours and this server seems to not be geared towards a casual player who wants to do outdoors. I am in NRO right now and there is maybe 2 spiders to be seen. A occasional scarab. Where are all the mobs? Ok so maybe i will try oasis. There are hardly any crocs and they are KOS. If i didn't work fulltime/married maybe this would be the server for me as I could go join a dungeon group for hours but that isn't the way i can play so I guess this isn't the server for me. Sucks because I was getting that nostalgic feeling back but come on. I did oasis for 4 hours last night in a full group on yellows and reds and because it is not a hotzone I made 40% xp at lvl 12.

[Nune]

bout to call it quits on this server. I wanted it to work i really did but I am out of stuff to do. I can't go to the dungeons and group for hours and this server seems to not be geared towards a casual player who wants to do outdoors. I am in NRO right now and there is maybe 2 spiders to be seen. A occasional scarab. Where are all the mobs? Ok so maybe i will try oasis. There are hardly any crocs and they are KOS. If i didn't work fulltime/married maybe this would be the server for me as I could go join a dungeon group for hours but that isn't the way i can play so I guess this isn't the server for me. Sucks because I was getting that nostalgic feeling back but come on. I did oasis for 4 hours last night in a full group on yellows and reds and because it is not a hotzone I made 40% xp at lvl 12.

And everyone in your group was the same level as you? There was no poopsock level gap? You were chain pulling mobs too im sure, since you've left all the assumed details to give credit to your woe. You just said you couldnt find mobs in the zone.. so you decided to get a full group going in THE SAME ZONE and got disappointed with xp? My bard is 12, can 100% say all my xp encounters have varied 100% from this. Lightstone turn ins yield a decent amount of plat; i spent an hour and a half running around WC/EC killing the occasional willowisp, and got 1y4b into my level?

You could have ran 2 zones over to Guk and gotten levels, Guk xp is just fine and most people our level are there grouping/soloing. There is a shortage of mobs in outdoor zones i agree, but most people just chose to go to indoor zones instead of quit; thats 2 different ways to look at 1 half full glass.

[Safon]

Define a "fine" population, given the fact that a quarter to half of that number are boxed accounts on The Sleeper

[Anderdale]

And everyone in your group was the same level as you? There was no poopsock level gap? You were chain pulling mobs too im sure, since you've left all the assumed details to give credit to your woe. You just said you couldnt find mobs in the zone.. so you decided to get a full group going in THE SAME ZONE and got disappointed with xp? My bard is 12, can 100% say all my xp encounters have varied 100% from this. Lightstone turn ins yield a decent amount of plat; i spent an hour and a half running around WC/EC killing the occasional willowisp, and got 1y4b into my level?

You could have ran 2 zones over to Guk and gotten levels, Guk xp is just fine and most people our level are there grouping/soloing. There is a shortage of mobs in outdoor zones i agree, but most people just chose to go to indoor zones instead of quit; thats 2 different ways to look at 1 half full glass.

I attempted to do oasis after the full group. We were all lvl 12 - 14. I suppose i will try to do Uguk later tonight but as you could see in my post, i don't typically have a ton of time to do a indoor dungeon and I don't have the combo that is able to handle rooms full of mobs. I have a duo that is perfect for outdoor zones. these are hardly available so it seems like this isn't going to work out. thanks though for your glass half full comment. It does make sense but I am just 1 one person that is going to be leaving. I will come back in a few months but at the present time it isn't what i had hoped it would be.

[Sularus Oth Mithas]

bout to call it quits on this server. I wanted it to work i really did but I am out of stuff to do. I can't go to the dungeons and group for hours and this server seems to not be geared towards a casual player who wants to do outdoors. I am in NRO right now and there is maybe 2 spiders to be seen. A occasional scarab. Where are all the mobs? Ok so maybe i will try oasis. There are hardly any crocs and they are KOS. If i didn't work fulltime/married maybe this would be the server for me as I could go join a dungeon group for hours but that isn't the way i can play so I guess this isn't the server for me. Sucks because I was getting that nostalgic feeling back but come on. I did oasis for 4 hours last night in a full group on yellows and reds and because it is not a hotzone I made 40% xp at lvl 12.

This is truth. Mob spawns do seem to be way out of whack, even in certain starting areas like paineel. There are 10 mobs that spawn in paineel. 5 of which are level 1 and on about 10 minute timer, forget leveling there as a noob, best go out to Toxx. Other zones have certain mobs out of control. I saw 4 griffins in EC the other night, 4 separate griffins up at the same time. two roaming the desert area and near inns, and one almost center zone, and one the patrolled that line from WC past Orc 1 and back. The only safe spot we could fight was Orc 2 - everywhere else it was Griffin aggro - run to guards or die trying.

It's not one major thing, it is 100 hundred little things. I'm still there only because I want to be a part of the solution and helping to get these things corrected. Let's stop putting our heads in the sand and denying them though OK Maybach?

[Swish]

Officially retired from Sleeper...for all the reasons highlighted in this thread.

Thought about putting up a retirement thread over there but it would just get moved for trolling.

[Deverell]

This epicemu fiasco is by far the worst emu server I have ever played on. Even VZTZ was vastly superior in terms of bugs and content correctness, and that should be the last thing that place was known for. The Sleeper is a joke, needs another two years of "development."

[Noselacri]

Those raid policies are nothing more than some words Kegz wrote one time. It's not a system that exists or that they've even really put any more thought into than announcing it back when they came up with the idea for the server. I asked them late in the beta what their plans were so far and they said they hadn't come up with anything at all, there's nothing coded for raid tokens and no actual plan in the works. They just have it written on the front page as a false feature.

Considering how unspeakably bad The Sleeper is, I wouldn't have much faith in their ability to even create such a system. Honesty is already not something they're known for, given how they routinely lied to their beta testers and to people waiting for the server to open. I expect this raid token thing is just something Kegz made up at one point to appeal to everyone who had been burned by P99's inaccessible raid scene. Judging by the fact that they couldn't get even the most basic game mechanics and zone reproduction right in two years of development, I doubt they'll ever even try to implement that custom raidmob spawning system.

Take it from me: it was just some shit they made up to catch the attention of people who hate the way raiding works on P99.

[Swish]

Agreed on the topic of "raid tokens". If it happened here, TMO would form a second guild with bought accounts, might even jokingly call it < The B Team > or < The Orderly Mystics > and they'd get around it.

Nothing to say that wouldn't happen over there either. People are smart, and cunning, and no automated raid system is unbeatable. Kegz will either have to enforce that himself via the forums or whatever.

Noselacri summed it up best in the first sentence.

[quido]

We'd form 20 guilds.

[odiecat99]

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg244/scaled.php?server=244&filename=poopthreadsr2.jpg&res=landing

[Hasbinbad]

Agreed on the topic of "raid tokens". If it happened here, TMO would form a second guild with bought accounts, might even jokingly call it < The B Team > or < The Orderly Mystics > and they'd get around it.

Nothing to say that wouldn't happen over there either. People are smart, and cunning, and no automated raid system is unbeatable. Kegz will either have to enforce that himself via the forums or whatever.

Noselacri summed it up best in the first sentence.

We'd form 20 guilds.
http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1495
Hello good citizens of Norrath on Project 1999! I would like to introduce you to the newest guild option available to anyone!

is now recruiting anyone! All players are welcome to join with absolutely no level or skill requirement!

We are looking for players that are willing to spend a certain amount of time camping spawns for our Big-Brother guild . For dilligently spending your time making sure IB gets first shot at every mob on the server, we will give you all of our trash loot (way better than anything you could obtain alone - think dragon daggers!), and make sure you're twinkediest set of twinks ever to twink a twink in general.

If you end up being a GREAT player, you have a leg up to join as well! Think of the raid content you could conquer in a guild legitimately (by the rules!) locking down every raid mob on the server 24/7!! It will be amazing, bro!!

Send me a PM for more info!!

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PLEASE NOTE
This post has been entirely satirical in an attempt to show the weaknesses of the system of variance in spawn times. There is no guild called (yet, lol, that would be funny pals), and this nonexistant guild has nothing to do with IB. None of the views expressed here are the views of IB. Please do not move this post. People should be aware that things like THIS can and probably will happen.

[Hasbinbad]

That isn't as funny as it would be if fucking < and > tags weren't retarded.

[Hasbinbad]

Hello good citizens of Norrath on Project 1999! I would like to introduce you to the newest guild option available to anyone!

< Bear Jews > is now recruiting anyone! All players are welcome to join with absolutely no level or skill requirement!

We are looking for players that are willing to spend a certain amount of time camping spawns for our Big-Brother guild < IB >. For dilligently spending your time making sure IB gets first shot at every mob on the server, we will give you all of our trash loot (way better than anything you could obtain alone - think dragon daggers!), and make sure you're twinkediest set of twinks ever to twink a twink in general.

If you end up being a GREAT player, you have a leg up to join < IB > as well! Think of the raid content you could conquer in a guild legitimately (by the rules!) locking down every raid mob on the server 24/7!! It will be amazing, bro!!

Send me a PM for more info!!

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PLEASE NOTE
This post has been entirely satirical in an attempt to show the weaknesses of the system of variance in spawn times. There is no guild called < Bear Jews > (yet, lol, that would be funny pals), and this nonexistant guild has nothing to do with IB. None of the views expressed here are the views of IB. Please do not move this post. People should be aware that things like THIS can and probably will happen.
fix'd for great justice

[smokemon]

IS peace pipe dead yet?

[Sirken]

what is dead may never die

(sorry, cant pass on GOT quotes when you toss them so perfectly over the plate)

[Sularus Oth Mithas]

what is dead may never die

(sorry, cant pass on GOT quotes when you toss them so perfectly over the plate)

That is not dead which can eternal lie.
And with strange aeons even death may die.

[smokemon]

^^ this

[Allizia]

Lol at Testament of Vanear quest awarding Undershore augments, I actually made a bet that they forgot some in somewhere when I checked out the server.

I want my 5 plat ~

[Auvdar]

People actually thought Keg would make a good server? That is the irony.

[Innovative]

It nevertheless speaks volumes of the state of P99's metagame when such a monumentally terrible server can draw like 200 players, almost all of whom can be assumed to be from here. P99 always had that giant elephant in the endgame room, and now nothing new has happened for two years. Even an absolute joke of a server apparently looks tempting to quite a lot of people because this place is such a dead end these days.

I agree. Despite the current flaws I still play there and probably why others do too.

[Tecmos Deception]

"that it beggars belief."

Hah!

[Swish]

Anyone over there notice a change in the population yet? Has confidence nosedived? Or is it still fairly steady?

[Noselacri]

The quitting posts have begun, at least. I haven't actually logged in since like Wednesday and probably never will again, but the population was visibly shrinking by the day before I gave up on that parody of a server.

[Anderdale]

Anyone over there notice a change in the population yet? Has confidence nosedived? Or is it still fairly steady?

Population definitely seems like it isn't as strong but there are those that are dedicated. I am on the edge but I keep logging back in. Main reason is because I have close to no desire to log into P99. I met some people i play with on sleeper so it has been more fun. I couldn't imagine sticking to it if I was playing alone.

Stuff is very annoying like xp, mobs pathing, and the things like crocs being kos in Oasis but I notice if I just find a spot that works and stay there it works out. It actually makes it interesting because my normal spots I have used since live are fucked (example is there are no crag spiders near the ramp in EK) so i am forced to try new areas.

[harnold]

Fun fact: years ago toop (kegz) and his girlfriend joined dark ascension, they went on their first ever boss raid, the target was vox, despite the fact that toop was only an app , had never attended a raid before, and knew nothing about everquest raiding, he got extremely upset and offended that he wasn't awarded any loot from vox, the sad part is that he wasn't even kidding, he seriously thought that he should have been awarded loot over everyone else, feeling wronged he left DA and formed peace pipe to rival DA, and we all know how that worked out

The fact that this guy tried to make his own server in a similar rage then what happened there is hilarious, toop is just not competent enough in the least bit to even dream of having a server that isn't completely laughable, id take it as a parody and log on just to see how shitty a server can be when its ran by an idiot

[Swish]

He's obviously put the time in to get the server up and running. I guess an amount of time on the EQemu forums can teach the basics of bringing up a server (see the "green" or "white" servers at the server select).

But yeah, I didn't know it was Toop for sure to begin with...and its a matter of time before Velious launches here (no rush however) and it'll look like the 3rd best choice for a Velious box (behind the 2 P99 servers).

[Sularus Oth Mithas]

It was at like 160 earlier tonight - not counting boxes of course. Seen a few post they were quitting, seen a few in OOC say they were quitting - seen them back online later that day again.

Who knows how it will pan out but I am having fun and that's all that matters really. Hopefully they can work the bugs out, but that is going to take some serious time.

[harnold]

How are you able to count how many is online and not boxing? There isnt even an indication at the server select screen (unless there was finally a population count added in somehow, but still you would have no idea how many were boxed and werent)

[Sularus Oth Mithas]

How are you able to count how many is online and not boxing? There isnt even an indication at the server select screen (unless there was finally a population count added in somehow, but still you would have no idea how many were boxed and werent)

There isn't a way to tell, I should have worded that better. There were 160 on and of those I don't know how many were boxed.

[skorge]

An update from me. Currently I am still playing on the Sleeper as of today. I got my shaman and sk to level 14.

I made another new gamebreaking discovery today on pets. Apparently pets won't hit for their max damage when they fight a mob higher than the pet level. For example, if your pet is level 20 and it fights a level 15-19 mob it hits it for 26 max damage. But if it fights a level 20+ mob it hits it for only 16 damage max. No idea how that got screwed up but it is and this holds true to all pets. Even my level 9 SK pet is hitting most mobs for only 12 damage max instead of 14 (it hits greens and maybe light blues for 14 max).

I brought this up in ooc this morning and immediately get told to shutup by 2 or 3 people. Apparently they dont want you to address your concerns in ooc concerning matters that could help fix their server. So far, a few bad seeds in their community has been my worst experience there so far.

New bug today in South Karana. I was doing Quillmane with the help of a 30+ friend who boxes a mage/enc. To make a long story short, we had 3 Quillmanes up all at once...and im not even joking here. Both of our toons got cloaks in 1 hour max, lol.

I've petitioned and bugged that. If I post that on their forums there so many people would exploit it because they know that it wont be addressed for awhile. Speaking of their forums, notice how there are more bug threads than general threads? That's not a good sign.

I may keep playing for a few more days to see if it gets any better. I'll keep ya updated.

[Swish]

I brought this up in ooc this morning and immediately get told to shutup by 2 or 3 people. Apparently they dont want you to address your concerns in ooc concerning matters that could help fix their server. So far, a few bad seeds in their community has been my worst experience there so far.

Yep I didn't get the toxicity of the ooc over there. Whenever I mentioned a bug, the XP rate or any other ongoing issue with something that wasn't right I was met with a similar response. Inevitably it's the internet so I began to troll ooc on a monk alt with fake bugs/reports to the point of comedy.

If there's any enjoyment to be had out of the server it's trolling the easily trollable ooc'ers who think they're gods or something.

Has anyone been banned yet? If P99 goes down at any point I'd be up for going back over there to report bogus issues...anything to cause a stir.

[Taryth]

Kegz is a fucking moron. I was going to make a long post detailing all of the absolutely inane and broken additions . . . but I'm not wasting any more time on this server.

[Motec]

An update from me. Currently I am still playing on the Sleeper as of today. I got my shaman and sk to level 14.

I made another new gamebreaking discovery today on pets. Apparently pets won't hit for their max damage when they fight a mob higher than the pet level. For example, if your pet is level 20 and it fights a level 15-19 mob it hits it for 26 max damage. But if it fights a level 20+ mob it hits it for only 16 damage max. No idea how that got screwed up but it is and this holds true to all pets. Even my level 9 SK pet is hitting most mobs for only 12 damage max instead of 14 (it hits greens and maybe light blues for 14 max).

I brought this up in ooc this morning and immediately get told to shutup by 2 or 3 people. Apparently they dont want you to address your concerns in ooc concerning matters that could help fix their server. So far, a few bad seeds in their community has been my worst experience there so far.

New bug today in South Karana. I was doing Quillmane with the help of a 30+ friend who boxes a mage/enc. To make a long story short, we had 3 Quillmanes up all at once...and im not even joking here. Both of our toons got cloaks in 1 hour max, lol.

I've petitioned and bugged that. If I post that on their forums there so many people would exploit it because they know that it wont be addressed for awhile. Speaking of their forums, notice how there are more bug threads than general threads? That's not a good sign.

I may keep playing for a few more days to see if it gets any better. I'll keep ya updated.

All hail skorge.

Whines in OOC.

Was about to start a massive argument with a cunt like me, that there is no way he could of won. Instead of jacking his quillmanes (that he abused me for from the other side of the zone), I said I didnt want his dirty pixels anyway and left them up.

Goes off into SK using show EQ to pop quillmanes with no tracking class and gloats about it on the internet.

Skorge, you're probably a nice bloke. The proper way to have a bug addressed is to parse the information if applicable, compile what you know, post evidence including online websites posts dating back to the era, and post all of that along with what you believe should be correct if you have knowledge of the fact, in the bug section.

Make the problem an easy problem to observe, examine, certify and correct for the developers. The same applies to P99 and every other server. The less time they have to waste doing all this work themselves, the longer the list of problems they can fix.

Nothing on the sleeper is 'gamebreaking'. Mages are fine.
AC values and mitigation is more accurate to live than P99 could ever dream.
Named. loot tables. spawn % are screwy quite often. All easily fixed in time.
A few mobs hit too hard, spawn wrong.. Easy fix.
Taunt works a little different. No need to fix anyway, its fairly comparable now damage is scaling faster than tank dps in the 30+ game.

All in all I rate it far less polished than Project 1999, but not being on p99 when it dropped I cant say as to how shit P99 was back then. But I imagine the dev team on P99 to be a little more fluid in fixes and shit, Kegz seems to half arse, then fix again. As long as it gets done thats cool with me.

I also dont think they are competing servers. If you want to raid at 3am, hang around with neckbeard fat lowlife cunts and roll into VP with 70 other people carrying you P99 is for you. Anyone involved in the high end on the sleeper is already in talks and we're all quite amicable about having a mature raiding scene. So far there has been nothing but positive experiences with people in game and we're all excited to not be on poopsock99 for a change.

[Motec]

What guild?

4 IB people is not a guild. IB play wow son.

[Safon]

All hail skorge.

Whines in OOC.

Was about to start a massive argument with a cunt like me, that there is no way he could of won. Instead of jacking his quillmanes (that he abused me for from the other side of the zone), I said I didnt want his dirty pixels anyway and left them up.

Goes off into SK using show EQ to pop quillmanes with no tracking class and gloats about it on the internet.

Skorge, you're probably a nice bloke. The proper way to have a bug addressed is to parse the information if applicable, compile what you know, post evidence including online websites posts dating back to the era, and post all of that along with what you believe should be correct if you have knowledge of the fact, in the bug section.

Make the problem an easy problem to observe, examine, certify and correct for the developers. The same applies to P99 and every other server. The less time they have to waste doing all this work themselves, the longer the list of problems they can fix.

Nothing on the sleeper is 'gamebreaking'. Mages are fine.
AC values and mitigation is more accurate to live than P99 could ever dream.
Named. loot tables. spawn % are screwy quite often. All easily fixed in time.
A few mobs hit too hard, spawn wrong.. Easy fix.
Taunt works a little different. No need to fix anyway, its fairly comparable now damage is scaling faster than tank dps in the 30+ game.

All in all I rate it far less polished than Project 1999, but not being on p99 when it dropped I cant say as to how shit P99 was back then. But I imagine the dev team on P99 to be a little more fluid in fixes and shit, Kegz seems to half arse, then fix again. As long as it gets done thats cool with me.

I also dont think they are competing servers. If you want to raid at 3am, hang around with neckbeard fat lowlife cunts and roll into VP with 70 other people carrying you P99 is for you. Anyone involved in the high end on the sleeper is already in talks and we're all quite amicable about having a mature raiding scene. So far there has been nothing but positive experiences with people in game and we're all excited to not be on poopsock99 for a change.

Long winded way of saying he couldn't hack it on P99. Enjoy your EZ mode, ghost town boxer/banned from P99 haven, founded by a banned cheater

[Stinkum]

guess when ur guild gets griefed off p99 and your incredibly desperate for another server you will play anything

lol this kid is furious that an eq server he doesnt play on exists

[chuggy]

I play on Sleeper, its a little screwy but if you want that EQ feels again and didn't start when P99 opened, come over. You won't be disappointed.

Don't listen to all the raging neck beards.

Oh, and boxing is fun.

[Stinkum]

actually i play LoZ/blue/red/eqmac

so you can shut the fuck up you faggot "kid"

lmao this kid's mad over video games y'all

[HeallunRumblebelly]

I have officially quit the sleeper server. There's just nothing redeeming about that server :|

[Swish]

Yeah, I haven't thought much about it since quitting. Toop/Kegz might decide to pull the plug 1-2 years in... the whole unpredictability of the server is a reason to keep away.

[pharmakos]

i was really into it for the first week.... The Warrens is super accurate... now that i've moved on, though, i can't find a spot that is functioning like it should...

spent 15 hours in Highpass Hold killing gnolls and haven't seen Grenix Mucktail spawn once.... asked Kegz about it, no response as of yet.... but when i had a Tacky Silk drop off of "a gnoll champion" Kegz brought the zone down to remove that item within minutes.... (causing me to have to recast my pet and re-break the camp due to being LOM).... but then a week later i had a Sullied Silk drop off of the same mob, so apparently he didn't look too closely at the items DB when he fixed the Tacky Silk thing....

in all, Kegz seems very quick to fix the small, inconsequential things, but pretty slow to fix the big things.... which makes sense, i suppose.... i still have hope for the server, but am going to be taking it slow/easy there while things get fixed...

It was stated last night in global ooc that there's more chat about the Sleeper server in this thread than there is on that dogshit forum they've got. I agree.

that was me that said that =p

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Swish
It was stated last night in global ooc that there's more chat about the Sleeper server in this thread than there is on that dogshit forum they've got. I agree.

that was me that said that =p

they are beyond retarded for making people have to register to view the forums. most people dont bother registering until they have spent time lurking from shadows, and this prevents that lurking.

A+ job

[Nips]

i was really into it for the first week.... The Warrens is super accurate... now that i've moved on, though, i can't find a spot that is functioning like it should...

spent 15 hours in Highpass Hold killing gnolls and haven't seen Grenix Mucktail spawn once.... asked Kegz about it, no response as of yet.... but when i had a Tacky Silk drop off of "a gnoll champion" Kegz brought the zone down to remove that item within minutes.... (causing me to have to recast my pet and re-break the camp due to being LOM).... but then a week later i had a Sullied Silk drop off of the same mob, so apparently he didn't look too closely at the items DB when he fixed the Tacky Silk thing....

in all, Kegz seems very quick to fix the small, inconsequential things, but pretty slow to fix the big things.... which makes sense, i suppose.... i still have hope for the server, but am going to be taking it slow/easy there while things get fixed...



that was me that said that =p

Pretty sure he spawns, probably just rare due to the fact that there's like 1/4th of the amount of gnolls than what there should be

I reported issues that were seriously game breaking for days on end and never once got any response or saw them changed. Got tired of exploiting them after like 15 mins and it was game over for me on that server. Bad strategy to release that server how it is and just expect to slowly work through the problems when its much easier and quicker just to jump over to a real server and play.

[Nune]

Pretty sure he spawns, probably just rare due to the fact that there's like 1/4th of the amount of gnolls than what there should be

I reported issues that were seriously game breaking for days on end and never once got any response or saw them changed. Got tired of exploiting them after like 15 mins and it was game over for me on that server. Bad strategy to release that server how it is and just expect to slowly work through the problems when its much easier and quicker just to jump over to a real server and play.

Yeah, I tried to /whiteknight the server, and defend it from the troll attacks. But it just seems worthless at this point. I talked to Kegz in game all the time, reporting directly to him major game changing issues (i.e. the body loot/ crash zones bug from VZTZ works here, there's honestly a thousand exploits working on that server if you've endured the EMU server onslaught the past few years as I have). Some guy was asking questions in GLOBAL on how to tweak his box program; a program Kegz specifically said couldnt be used. Obviously 0 3rd party detection. EVERY bannable aspect on a X99 server is on a "honor" system not to be used there, ambiguous wording for "plz dont hack pals".

Honestly though, the tipping point was when the 8 billionth time I told Kegz mob speed was fucked, or player speed was too slow. One of the 2 for sure being a problem. Documented an example using a different server's mob speed rates comparatively to Sleeper's, gave him the results. Shortly after (when someone supported my point in ooc) Kegz responded with " Mob speed is 100% accurate, this isn't WoW anymore, learn the difference..

I'm sorry, you launch this server with more bugs than Watergate, fucking xp wasnt even TURNED ON when the server went up, allow me and a handful of other people to guide how you fix the server for the entire population after your dev team spent 2 years doing ...?, then call us WoW kids, which is like the n word for EQEmu players..

tl;dr - I'm pretty much done there, and I spent most of my time online reporting bugs and discussing with GM's on how to remove exploits. GL dealing with <IB> during raiding :)

[odiecat99]

It's my opinion that that server is epic fail.

[Nips]

I'm guessing he just doesn't know how to fix a lot of stuff because I reported the mob speed problems from day 1 and probably 10 times total before I quit. You can be fighting a skel, get an add, and then with 50 percent hp strafe to the zoneline and have the mob and add both beating on you the entire time. Also a problem with mobs who have sow, if you snare them, it will say it lands but the mob still just hauls ass like the snare didn't land and the mob still had SoW.
If the server is similar to tz/vz then it is really screwed. There were multiple ways to dupe plat on that server and countless different tradeskill combinations you could do that you could sell the combines to a vendor and make 1000s of plat per hour. He really just needs to bring that shit down and actually do some work.

[Sirken]

yep. most of the vztz issues exist on this sleeper server. thats how i know exactly how little work was done before release.

Diamond bros 2.0

[Bruman]

:words:


I generally find you an insuffurable asshat (or, as you put it, a cunt), but then you go and post a post that I agree with like 95% of. Should I hate you or not? Please tell me, I can't decide...

I have officially quit the sleeper server. There's just nothing redeeming about that server :|

D'oh. For what it's worth, you guys got your ass handed to you in Najena. Najena takes skill, planning, and work, unless you're over-leveling in it. You have to go slow, have CC (mez, root, lull, everything), break the camp, keep it broken, etc. We pulled Najena and Drelzna's room for hours without real issues, even though shit went sideways. There were definitely wipes though back when some guildmates were learning the zone.

No, no jboots dropped after way too many hours last night.

[Taryth]

Nothing on the sleeper is 'gamebreaking'. Mages are fine.


https://epicemu.com/forum/pet-damage-vs-higher-level-mobs
https://epicemu.com/forum/pets-and-how-they-should-be
https://epicemu.com/forum/mage-pet-discussion
https://epicemu.com/forum/ac-code

There's nothing wrong.
Nothing at all.


Imagine how low Mages will parse vs. raid mobs.

[Turp_SmokinPurp]

they are beyond retarded for making people have to register to view the forums. most people dont bother registering until they have spent time lurking from shadows, and this prevents that lurking.

A+ job
This is exactly right... at least it was for me and p99. Have been here about a year now and just recently signed up after "shad0w lurking"

[HeallunRumblebelly]

I generally find you an insuffurable asshat (or, as you put it, a cunt), but then you go and post a post that I agree with like 95% of. Should I hate you or not? Please tell me, I can't decide...



D'oh. For what it's worth, you guys got your ass handed to you in Najena. Najena takes skill, planning, and work, unless you're over-leveling in it. You have to go slow, have CC (mez, root, lull, everything), break the camp, keep it broken, etc. We pulled Najena and Drelzna's room for hours without real issues, even though shit went sideways. There were definitely wipes though back when some guildmates were learning the zone.

No, no jboots dropped after way too many hours last night.

It's just the thousand little things. P99 better in pretty much every aspect, so...

[Noselacri]

There's just something wrong with everything, basically. Pretty much any one thing you look at is affected by one or more bugs, database errors, broken mechanics, or is missing. Take nearly any spell and either it doesn't do what it should, isn't available from the vendor, or suffers from the fucked-up resists of that server. Take any mob and it almost certainly doesn't drop what it should, often doesn't spawn where it should, and rarely paths where it should. Most quests either give incorrect exp, reward the wrong item, have inaccurate faction checks, or don't work at all. Pets don't dual-wield at the right level and don't do the right damage, invis doesn't break charm, taunt just works like an enraging blow proc, mez generates about six times more aggro than it should, snare doesn't counter sow, and so on. Mobs kickstun at all levels, run way too fast, regen so much you almost can't kill things with dots, cast ridiculous spells, and the list just goes on forever. I wasn't KoS in Mistmoore, Splitpaw, RunnyEye and other places like that. I could fill five pages with similar major bugs.

That's the standard for quite literally everything in the game, with consequences ranging from nuisance to absolutely gamebreaking. It's very clear that most things haven't been looked at even once, leading most named mobs to drop nothing and most zones to be missing half their spawns. In the time between 2011 and now, nobody has taken a single look at the Oasis croc spawns or the undead barkeep in Unrest, just to name a couple of examples; both are so broken that it took everybody three seconds to tell precisely what was wrong. The fact that nobody did so in two years of development tells me most of that time was spent doing nothing. It looks like a server that somebody slapped together over a weekend. I don't know what's more baffling, that they managed to do so little in such a long time or that they ever thought it was worth releasing the server in that state. It would have been graded F if it was a school assignment.

If people can enjoy it despite this, more power to them. Given the ample alternatives, the only rational reason to play on The Sleeper is that it's a new server that hasn't yet been claimed by some guild. Considering how utterly incompetent and unintelligent their (only) GM is, I wouldn't count on the server ever reaching a quality that remotely approaches that of P99, and I frankly don't think Kegz will fix anything significant. I don't think he knows how. During the beta, it was painfully obvious that he didn't have the slightest clue what he was talking about, didn't care to fix anything, frequently told beta testers that something was fixed when it wasn't, and should have accomplished so much more in the two years that the server was supposedly in development. To me, it's clear that he simply isn't capable of making a good EQ server but wanted to appear like he is, so he promised a bunch of shit and launched a stock PEQ server with a few easy surface changes and hoped for the best. Even for a free project, it's almost disrespectful to the people who thought they were waiting for a real server and spent a lot of time supporting it. It's an affront to the community and a tragedy of wasted time for everyone who spent any on this farce.

[skorge]

I pretty much stopped playing a couple days ago. After Kegz tried to fix the pets, he made them even worse. My level 15 SK pet (a level 8 or 9 pet) was hitting for 6 damage max on mobs (should be 14). His response, and I kid you not, "his damage is capped because he's under level 10. 1-10 damage cap is 9 and 10-20 damage cap is 19."

My response "why I am hitting for 29 at level 15?" It's 19 for 1-10 and 29 at 10-20." His response "oh, you are right...my dev is going to look into and we'll update on the next reset."

Don't get me wrong, Kegz was doing good taking on such a big challenge, I just don't think he has skills to fix any of the big bugs. That's why I quit. I like 2 boxing so I gave Sleeper a shot. It's just too buggy. Nothing compares to P99 right now. I even think when EQclassic comes out, P99 will be better because it has had so much longer to work through all the bugs/fixes. Maybe P99 will launch a new server after Velious is out awhile.

[Noselacri]

my dev is going to look into and we'll update on the next reset.

Their lead guide was on mumble one of the first days and told me there's pretty much just Kegz. Another person just does website stuff and then there was a third dev who hadn't been seen for a few weeks prior to launch. "My dev is going to look into it" just means "I don't know what to do but I don't want the blame for it being broken."

[greatdane]

I knew it was fucked before the server even launched but figured it would be worth having a look just in case. Turns out it was fucked.

The biggest warning sign was when Kegz, with his epic warrior avatar, claimed that warrior aggro was working fine and that warriors never needed proccing weapons. A few beta testers had reported that it was suspiciously easy for warriors to hold aggro but he insisted that things were working as intended.

That's when I realized that he prefers broken mechanics that benefit his favorite class over correctly working mechanics and I knew it was a lost cause. The guy's an idiot and he's bad at Everquest, his server was always gonna be a failure.

[Nune]

I generally find you an insuffurable asshat (or, as you put it, a cunt), but then you go and post a post that I agree with like 95% of. Should I hate you or not? Please tell me, I can't decide...



D'oh. For what it's worth, you guys got your ass handed to you in Najena. Najena takes skill, planning, and work, unless you're over-leveling in it. You have to go slow, have CC (mez, root, lull, everything), break the camp, keep it broken, etc. We pulled Najena and Drelzna's room for hours without real issues, even though shit went sideways. There were definitely wipes though back when some guildmates were learning the zone.

No, no jboots dropped after way too many hours last night.

If you have any inquiries regarding Motec, just go look at the Sleeper forums. All interior hamster-wheel related qustions can be answered in a mere few minutes of reading his posts.

[Swish]

For shits and giggles I thought I'd go and have a look at how bad this bug posting is getting. Went to log in, password doesn't seem to be working. Go to get it reset and...

http://i.imgur.com/LOTHwIU.jpg

Comical! :D

[skorge]

For shits and giggles I thought I'd go and have a look at how bad this bug posting is getting. Went to log in, password doesn't seem to be working. Go to get it reset and...

http://i.imgur.com/LOTHwIU.jpg

Comical! :D

yeah its a bug i get too as well as many others, hell even the forums there are bugged. I ALWAYS have to log in too times just to access the forums, haha

[Noselacri]

I take this silence to mean that the server is rightfully dying.

[Bruman]

That makes no sense. I think it's more that the people raging about the server have either moved on or accepted it. If they want to chat, they're chatting in-game or on the epicemu forums. The server pop was in the same range all last week. It's been at, and will probably be stable, at about 150-200 characters on at prime time (about which half you can assume are boxes obviously).

The server is what it is, and there's really not much point in rehashing it page after page. I haven't logged in for a couple of days myself, but that's more related to some RL stuff at the moment.

[SamwiseRed]

i think the people who were hating on the server finally got their jimmies unrustled. who honestly gives a fuck if there are 2 or more servers.

[Sirken]

R99 has a higher number of players

GG

[Swish]

I still think Kegz/Toop/whoever will ditch it if its not a success... Rogean and pals showed faith in R99 when there were 13 people playing offpeak, but if Sleeper keeps bleeding population I reckon it'll be a shutdown.

A lot more faith in P99's future anyway.

[Noselacri]

His biggest problem is that he regards all criticism as trolling. It's a common trend throughout the beta, and to this day he still posts on rerolled.org calling people trolls if they have anything negative to say. All this does is piss people off, and it cost him a lot of potential beta testers before the server launched. As a result, he only had backpatters for testers and they were afraid to say anything other than "everything is great."

[Deverell]

The Sleeper didn't even have hill giants in RM, if that tells people something about the quality. I mean, if you haven't even looked at that in two years of testing, what have you done?!

[pharmakos]

i still see a decent number of new players rolling in. there's already been several higher level players that have gotten burnt out though. and one got chased off the server by Kegz (apparently Kegz gave Reiker/Rahnza an in-game title of "Whiner" -_-)

Kegz, if you read this, i still think you're a decent guy, but that was seriously uncalled for. of course, i only heard Reiker's side of the story. but still, definitely a huge WTF.....

[Anderdale]

I made it to 23 on my toons and I am pretty much burnt out. They have definitely fixed some stuff and the game is far more tolerable. I just can't do the 200ish player pop on a mmo. That is maybe 120 actual players. I have tried nearly every wiki spot to get a simple jade shard so I can research my mages 24 fire pet and they are no where to be seen. On top of that because of the small pop there is no one who is selling them.

The main reason I quit project 1999 is because after so many years it just seemed like I have no where to go. There is nothing left to attempt to accomplish besides joining a high end guild and raiding end game but that isn't possible. At lvl 23 on sleeper I already feel this way. Like a above poster said, I don't want to invest anymore time into something that seems like it is slowly dieing.

[Tecmos Deception]

Lol. I'd kill for a NEGATIVE title on a server. Epic.

[Asap]

Lol. I'd kill for a NEGATIVE title on a server. Epic.

You already have one here, intentional or not

[Swish]

... one got chased off the server by Kegz (apparently Kegz gave Reiker/Rahnza an in-game title of "Whiner" -_-)

It might seem weird to link the two, but its silly things like this that could lead to Kegz one day just abandoning the project, or refusing to pay for his server any longer.

In a few years time I know P99 will be here, I'm not so sure about that server. No love has gone into it, the population is low (and made to look higher by the amount of 2-boxing), the bugs as mentioned throughout this thread are numerous...and for me at least, the forum is terrible and moderated nazi style.

Kudos on getting to the 20s to be honest, I threw the towel in way before that :/

[Auvdar]

I'm more surprised this server isn't dead yet...

Even more surprised people had any real hope for it.. :rolleyes:

[pharmakos]

things are getting better by the day over on The Sleeper. there's a new GM-Grim thats been on lately (i guess he was around during Beta too though) who is helping with everything from coding to in-game petitions etc... having the extra hand is obviously reducing the stress on the server staff. Grim's even been doing GM events, had a blast with the little event he did in Unrest this morning. i'm not giving up on project1999 either, but i'm definitely glad that i now have two servers that i don't mind calling "home." :)

[Nune]

things are getting better by the day over on The Sleeper. there's a new GM-Grim thats been on lately (i guess he was around during Beta too though) who is helping with everything from coding to in-game petitions etc... having the extra hand is obviously reducing the stress on the server staff. Grim's even been doing GM events, had a blast with the little event he did in Unrest this morning. i'm not giving up on project1999 either, but i'm definitely glad that i now have two servers that i don't mind calling "home." :)

Blahblahblah. I had as much hope and positivity as the next best guy, but that server has no "moral code", no standard. It's obviously not a thought out, calculated custom server such as EZ of THF. And It's not classic for the fact of token raiding, everything about the server changing weekly.

That server should be called Kegz and Crew, because anything he sees get changed on a whim (obviously not a documented change, as shit gets changed to even worse 75% of the time, patch notes are posted in prose-ridden "riddles". 0 3rd party detection (this was my final straw, after Tard-O was asking in global ooc how to tweak his illegal 3rd party program).

[Jzendo]

Logged back in for the first time in a few weeks. Exp rate has been adjusted noticeably- it's no longer a godawful slog through the teens. Still plenty of bug issues to be resolved but I'm curious to see how the raid token thing will affect the endgame

[Swish]

Logged back in for the first time in a few weeks. Exp rate has been adjusted noticeably- it's no longer a godawful slog through the teens. Still plenty of bug issues to be resolved but I'm curious to see how the raid token thing will affect the endgame

Adjusting the XP rate like that must have pissed off the "mom's basement" crowd who worked hard to get wherever they've got to by now. All that work and the masses can catch them up easier lol.

Raid tokens? Kegz won't write any programming or create any NPCs for it, he'll mark stuff down on a piece of paper.

[Anderdale]

There aren't enough players for there to be a need for a token system.

[Motec]

Lol. I'd kill for a NEGATIVE title on a server. Epic.

My title is "Motec the Belligerent"

Do like. I also just ate a 3 day ban for calling all the beta testers useless cunts...

Which they are not, because I am now rehabilitated since my punishment.

[Kagatob]

Lol. I'd kill for a NEGATIVE title on a server. Epic.

You already have one here, intentional or not

:cool:

[Clark]

I pretty much stopped playing a couple days ago. After Kegz tried to fix the pets, he made them even worse. My level 15 SK pet (a level 8 or 9 pet) was hitting for 6 damage max on mobs (should be 14). His response, and I kid you not, "his damage is capped because he's under level 10. 1-10 damage cap is 9 and 10-20 damage cap is 19."

My response "why I am hitting for 29 at level 15?" It's 19 for 1-10 and 29 at 10-20." His response "oh, you are right...my dev is going to look into and we'll update on the next reset."

Don't get me wrong, Kegz was doing good taking on such a big challenge, I just don't think he has skills to fix any of the big bugs. That's why I quit. I like 2 boxing so I gave Sleeper a shot. It's just too buggy. Nothing compares to P99 right now. I even think when EQclassic comes out, P99 will be better because it has had so much longer to work through all the bugs/fixes. Maybe P99 will launch a new server after Velious is out awhile.

+1

Glad I never tried playing there

[Swish]

My title is "Motec the Belligerent"

Do like. I also just ate a 3 day ban for calling all the beta testers useless cunts...

Which they are not, because I am now rehabilitated since my punishment.

Totally +1 on this, saying what everyone else was thinking.

[Motec]

+1

Glad I never tried playing there

-1

All it takes is a rational discussion, and not roid rage from skorge and shit gets fixed. Took me all of 5ish minutes to find the original pet dmg tables, send to kegz, server came down and wham, mages 90% right.

[EnnoiaII]

Raid token idea sounds like a pretty good shot at an idea to combat the poisonous
end game here, so I like that.

Not so sold on the two boxing.

Also not so keen on going through the grind again.

Can I get a character transfer? :)

Competing for mobs is what everquest was all about. Not to the extent the immature fucktard raiders of P99 bring it to, but letting everyone get every raid target? Might as well go play WoW. Same game, better graphics.

[Rhambuk]

Might as well go play WoW. Same game, better graphics.

Personally don't like wow graphics too bubbly/cartoony for my taste. It's put together well and all that it just seems a little hokey to me.

[smokemon]

is this server still running?

[pharmakos]

Competing for mobs is what everquest was all about. Not to the extent the immature fucktard raiders of P99 bring it to, but letting everyone get every raid target? Might as well go play WoW. Same game, better graphics.

when i started playing EverQuest in 2000, i was enamored with the idea of a massively multiplayer Player vs. Environment game. i was pretty disappointed when i realized how much competition there was in the endgame. i'd much prefer just getting together with a bunch of friends and accomplishing something difficult. it still takes talent to kill raid mobs! even a 100 person raid can wipe to Cazic Thule if they don't know what they're doing. having to sit there and wait for hours or even days on end just to beat another guild to the punch is completely unappealing to me.

[Bruman]

Competing for mobs is what everquest was all about.

No, it's not.

[Gaffin Deeppockets]

server sucks do not see why people still white knight for it. its horrible. and will be later brought down and all your pixels will be lost. gg

[Noselacri]

Yeah, I'd put money on the plug being pulled on this failure of a server before the year's end. Kegz is that kind of person.

[feanan]

server sucks do not see why people still white knight for it. its horrible. and will be later brought down and all your pixels will be lost. gg

while on the other hand, p99 is here forever, right?

this server could disappear any day as well.

[Sirken]

while on the other hand, p99 is here forever, right?

this server could disappear any day as well.

not likely. when sleeper server has 3 years under its belt let me know

[Moop]

Has anyone been banned yet on 'The Sleeper' for use of third-party-programs(IP or Acount)? The efforts to stop bad behavior don't seem to be logged on their fourms...

[Sirken]

ive been on a few eqemu staffs, and no staff has ever made that public knowledge.

[Moop]

well, then I'm curious if he is banning anyone or not - and is choosing to use IP or Account banning... the population seems to have dropped quite a bit, I doubt it's due to banning, but IP banning those that still play on the server certainly would not help the decreasing population, eh.

[Bruman]

I haven't played in a week or so myself. How much has it dropped, by toons online during primetime?

[Reiker000]

The population has dropped because the devs are incompetent and rude to their player base, and people are realizing the server sucks and is never getting any better.

[Nirgon]

ive been on a few eqemu staffs, and no staff has ever made that public knowledge.

Mistake imo

[Bruman]

The population has dropped because the devs are incompetent and rude to their player base, and people are realizing the server sucks and is never getting any better.

Well, yeah, that's pretty much what got me to stop playing. But that's not what I asked - I was curious how much it had dropped. 2-3 weeks ago it was about ~150 non-anon/rp toons online during prime time.

I would disagree in that it IS getting better, but it has soooo far to go, that I couldn't take it anymore. Maybe in a year or two, but I don't feel like leveling up through all the broken content and mechanics (and to see Kegz on rerolled claim everything is 100% fine and everyone is trolls, when the bug forum is overflowing with issues).

Also, part of the reason I was interested in it was the "mature" population and GMs, and quickly learned that was not to be found there. That Grim guy, sheesh.

[Reiker000]

(and to see Kegz on rerolled claim everything is 100% fine and everyone is trolls, when the bug forum is overflowing with issues).

This is the kind of shit that will never be fixed no matter how many times they patch the server. Kegz raged out on me in tells because I was reporting too much shit, and then begged me to help him dev his sinking ship of a server after giving me the title of Whiner. And then my legitimate bug reports were deleted off the forum. They'd rather create the illusion that everything is working fine and silence people trying to help, instead of actually fix the piece of shit server. This thing's been in development for 2 and a half years and it's essentially stock PEQ with expansions disabled with a handful of changes to the AC code.

And speaking of immature GMs, that Sloan guy is a real piece of work. He changed his name after finding out there was a Sloan on P99 so I can't remember what stupid name he goes by now. But a few days before I quit I /ooc'ed WTS nude pics of Tralina, and then suddenly I lost all ability to communicate. I couldn't continue the conversations I was having in tells, couldn't talk to my group, etc. I jumped into Mumble and raged out on this guy, who told me "nudity is not allowed on The Sleeper" over and over. He sounded like the nerdiest 14 year old virgin and is possibly one of the dumbest people I've ever spoken to. This is your "head of customer service" on this server.

It's a shit fest, get out now. I was one of the biggest supporters of this server for the first couple weeks, because it's healthy to have alternative servers to pressure each other to improve. But this is not the one. It'll be dead within a couple months.

[Bruman]

Heh, I don't blame him for banning your chat, since you were obviously trolling, but I probably would've restricted it to OOC. And his "reasoning" on mumble is pretty funny.

[Moop]

So, what now? Reiker, I agree with your position on a competent alternative to P99... but what else is available?

The Sleeper added some flavor, mostly in allowing 2-box teams - but it just kinda seems like it's dying now...
Al-Kabor seems like pretty neat place to play, most box using a MAC - which seems much more difficult with the PC hack.
Then... there's this here P99. Great server, but a bit too 'established' for my taste.

[Bruman]

Here, Sleeper, EQMac, and Shards of Dalaya are the closest you can get to that classic EQ feel that I know of. Note that Shards of Dalaya is a custom MMO built on EQ, but it still has that "old school EQ" feel to quite a bit of it.

[Moop]

Oh, I didn't mention anything about Shards... Were you drawn to Shards?

[Reiker000]

So, what now? Reiker, I agree with your position on a competent alternative to P99... but what else is available?

The Sleeper added some flavor, mostly in allowing 2-box teams - but it just kinda seems like it's dying now...
Al-Kabor seems like pretty neat place to play, most box using a MAC - which seems much more difficult with the PC hack.
Then... there's this here P99. Great server, but a bit too 'established' for my taste.

They all suck, EQClassic if it ever launches I guess.

[KotBK]

I've seen streams of EQClassic alpha build, so atleast it is now finally in a broader testing phase as far as an alternative server is concerned

[Bruman]

Decided to answer my own question - about 2 to 3 weeks ago, at this time, it would've had around 150-200 non-anon/rp toons on. Now there's 88.

[Highbrow]

The Sleeper is garbage. The devs and beta testers were all morons and I could tell right away that the server wouldn't make it until summer. I gave it like a week and a half and gfto'ed. It's probably the worst eqemu server I've ever seen, and that's some feat for a server that claims to have spent two years in development. I've literally seen better attempts by random lone dudes who spent a month tinkering with the database. Kegz is so unintelligent and so utterly incompetent that I could tell just from looking at the forums during late beta that the server would probably be a massive failure, and it was. It's only because people are desperate for an alternative to P99 that there's still anyone playing there at all, and I would bet money on Kegz shutting the server down within three months.

[pharmakos]

Has anyone been banned yet on 'The Sleeper' for use of third-party-programs(IP or Acount)? The efforts to stop bad behavior don't seem to be logged on their fourms...

for awhile on their forum's "new posts" page you could mouse-over-preview posts from the administrator forums, and yes apparently at least a few people were banned.

The population has dropped because the devs are incompetent and rude to their player base, and people are realizing the server sucks and is never getting any better.

i couldn't believe that Kegz gave you those in-game titles. also can't believe that he still hasn't deleted the forum post where you're talking about the day he drove you off the server.

[Sularus Oth Mithas]

This is the kind of shit that will never be fixed no matter how many times they patch the server. Kegz raged out on me in tells because I was reporting too much shit, and then begged me to help him dev his sinking ship of a server after giving me the title of Whiner. And then my legitimate bug reports were deleted off the forum. They'd rather create the illusion that everything is working fine and silence people trying to help, instead of actually fix the piece of shit server. This thing's been in development for 2 and a half years and it's essentially stock PEQ with expansions disabled with a handful of changes to the AC code.

And speaking of immature GMs, that Sloan guy is a real piece of work. He changed his name after finding out there was a Sloan on P99 so I can't remember what stupid name he goes by now. But a few days before I quit I /ooc'ed WTS nude pics of Tralina, and then suddenly I lost all ability to communicate. I couldn't continue the conversations I was having in tells, couldn't talk to my group, etc. I jumped into Mumble and raged out on this guy, who told me "nudity is not allowed on The Sleeper" over and over. He sounded like the nerdiest 14 year old virgin and is possibly one of the dumbest people I've ever spoken to. This is your "head of customer service" on this server.

It's a shit fest, get out now. I was one of the biggest supporters of this server for the first couple weeks, because it's healthy to have alternative servers to pressure each other to improve. But this is not the one. It'll be dead within a couple months.

My wife and I have stopped playing both right now. We were huge supporters of it when it came out but it just got stale real quick. It feels like Kegz wants to bask in the glory of being the GM of a server without taking responsibility for any of the problems. It was completely weird that Sloan changed his name, and while he initially came across as mature and a good representative of their customer service, it fast became clear that was not the case.

I like P99 but I do have my issues with it, and maybe if we had joined earlier it would be different. It was fun to enjoy the nostalgia for a while anyway.

[greatdane]

Is this server dead? I couldn't even log on their forum, it said I wasn't authorized or some shit.

[gotrocks]

EQClassic will likely never happen:

http://www.eqclassic.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3817

edit:

To paraphrase, in that thread I was attempting to ask yeahlight (lead dev/coder) how he planned to deal with the massive database set up and editing required to run a truly 'classic' eq server. this was his response:

I will not be involved with this. Earlier this year, I reached out to SoE with a proposal that traded liability and monthly subscriptions for their classic content and distribution rights, but they declined it. Without an agreement in place, I will not be involved in the distribution of SoE's IP. Anyone else is welcome to assume this risk, but it is not going to be me.

which means two things,

a) eqclassic.org as an entity is probably NOT going to host a server themselves and,

b) someone else would need to take over responsibility of not only hosting a server, but also setting up ALL of the relevant npcs, items, etc using PEQ's database (or I guess p99's, if that's publicly available? still not very likely)

[Sularus Oth Mithas]

Is this server dead? I couldn't even log on their forum, it said I wasn't authorized or some shit.

Their forums are not user friendly, they do in fact suck. You might have to log in twice (I have to every time) and then click on the link for the forums at the top again. This should then finally give you a full list of all the boards and allow you to post.

[August]

EQClassic will likely never happen:

http://www.eqclassic.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3817

edit:

To paraphrase, in that thread I was attempting to ask yeahlight (lead dev/coder) how he planned to deal with the massive database set up and editing required to run a truly 'classic' eq server. this was his response:


which means two things,

a) eqclassic.org as an entity is probably NOT going to host a server themselves and,

b) someone else would need to take over responsibility of not only hosting a server, but also setting up ALL of the relevant npcs, items, etc using PEQ's database (or I guess p99's, if that's publicly available? still not very likely)

That project, once ProjectEQ, now EQC, has been doomed since day 1. I remember logging into IRC for PEQ the night after I proposed to my wife... in 2008...

[Asap]

EQClassic will likely never happen:

http://www.eqclassic.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3817

edit:

To paraphrase, in that thread I was attempting to ask yeahlight (lead dev/coder) how he planned to deal with the massive database set up and editing required to run a truly 'classic' eq server. this was his response:


which means two things,

a) eqclassic.org as an entity is probably NOT going to host a server themselves and,

b) someone else would need to take over responsibility of not only hosting a server, but also setting up ALL of the relevant npcs, items, etc using PEQ's database (or I guess p99's, if that's publicly available? still not very likely)

I knew this shit was never going to be released, I remember following when I graduated high school in 2005

[Noselacri]

Lol, Kegz is still posting over on rerolled.org singing the same old song of how great his server is and anyone who disagrees is a troll who hasn't tried it. 30+ pages of people pointing out how terrible the server is and Kegz denying it.

http://www.rerolled.org/showthread.php?1232-EQ-The-Sleeper/page32

[Swish]

Well butter my biscuits, 500+ responses to this thread. I stopped playing months ago now, and I have to say I'm not missing the XP rate, the bugs, the deluded minority who sing the server's praises and call anyone who thinks otherwise a troll.

Let Kegz/Toop be the king of a hill made of dogshit, if he'd put the effort into fixing bugs before the server went up rather than after it he might still have a community playing on it.

[Bardalicious]

Well butter my biscuits, 500+ responses to this thread. I stopped playing months ago now, and I have to say I'm not missing the XP rate, the bugs, the deluded minority who sing the server's praises and call anyone who thinks otherwise a troll.

Let Kegz/Toop be the king of a hill made of dogshit, if he'd put the effort into fixing bugs before the server went up rather than after it he might still have a community playing on it.

Can't say I disagree on any particular point here. Sleeper had a shot but release was lackluster, and rather than listening to the overall player-base Kegz chose to tug on Divinity's dick every chance he could get instead. Reap what you sow and such. Only 2 guilds left on that server. Probably 50ish players on an average night (100ish pop with 2-boxing).

One of the main advertised features was legacy drops. That included manastone at release, and that was about it. Took a month of groups farming CT for hours on end for him to fix/add in rubicite. Took a month to see Jboots added to Drelzna. And even still, simple database additions such as gem encrusted ring, box of abukar, holgresh beads and pre-nerf CoS are still not seen.

Quests and quest drops can be bugged and non-functional, and rather than compensating a player for lost time, you beta-test a "fully released" server for hours on end to make a bug report and hope shit gets fixed in the next 2 months if that.

The staff is lacking, the GM decisions are inconsistent at best, and despite what any of the few remaining fan boys that server has left will tell you, Kegz favors Divinity over anyone else that plays on his box. Not worth a second look, and it will shrivel up and die if P99 ever releases Velious.

[Bardalicious]

O almost forgot to add one of the coolest features of this server:

2 or so months after release? And green cons even as much as 30+ levels below you can still chain fear, root, mez and land full damage nukes on you at pretty much any resistance level. Anyone trying to level up stays in places like karnors zone-in and velketors zone-in because any zone with spell-casters isn't worth a shit to attempt unless you are bringing multiple groups for a chance at some shitty group gear.

[pharmakos]

rather than listening to the overall player-base Kegz chose to tug on Divinity's dick every chance he could get instead.

kegz deleted a few weeks worth of lodizal loot because lodizal's spawn timer was twice as fast as it should have been. he thought it was <Divinity>'s responsibility to report the shit to him, got pissed that they didn't, and deleted all <Divinity>'s Lodi loot. the lodi shield quest takes 1k plat on the turn in. on a two month old server. all gone. just because the spawn timer was 12hours instead of 24hours.

[pharmakos]

more from Divinity:

Was in BW running to sarnak imitator to get my epic situated, tried to turn in my pieces to get seal via invis, invis broke whole sarnak temple attacked me. Tried to run away, ended up having client crash on me, I quickly loaded another one and logged back in.. before I could log in I was banned.

Sent tells through my cleric to kegz saying whats going on, ignored me. Petitioned through my cleric, saying how long is my ench banned, kegz immediately replies "for ev ver" told him "lame" and he immediately snaps backs you can have 7 days on your cleric too, my cleric was sitting at fire pots this whole time. Cleric is now 7 day suspension. Great customer service.

Fuck him, what a motherfucker. Had 3/4 staves done too, just needed to charm the npcs. Can't even tell me whats going on but gives my cleric 7 days, what did he do? Ask about my enchanter? Spent too much time on my enchanter to put up with that BS.

Tell him to go fucking fix necro pet too if anyone talks to him.



Did you /Q and login to kick your character from game. He has been banning for this for awhile now. As you can pretty much avoid death at all costs.

No I know about that, and he knows I know about it, he was also in the zone and I knew he was as it said Zone Connect: Burning Woods, so I wouldnt do that. I've been having client crashes a lot and I know [our warrior] has too (heard him during raids). Of course my first instinct when I crash with 4 mobs on me is to load game back up and log in.. so yeah couldnt even explain myself to him on my second cleric, gives me a 7 day suspension without explanation on my enchanter, I can only assume your reason is why.

Ontop of the fact he has a bias against me, I reported a few game breaking exploits 2 weeks ago that he never fixed and when I did report them he starts accusing me of holding more exploits out on him and threatening to ban me.. guy just has it out for me.

I wanted to get to the bottom of it but when I ask him about it on my cleric he ignores me, I petition how long banned and he gives me attitude with a 7 day suspension.. what did my cleric do exactly? he sat at the fire pots the whole time. I can't invest time on a server with such a trigger happy gm.

^^ the guy that wrote this was a pretty chill guy back before i quit this server.

this is the sort of stress-induced ranting that The Sleeper ends up causing for everyone eventuaally

glad i quit.

[Noselacri]

Kegz is known as a megalomaniac of low intelligence. Trying to make sense of his actions is an exercise in futility, he just behaves like a dick for the sake of feeling powerful and he lacks the mental faculties to present himself as a reasonable person.