Blade of Carnage sucks

[Ele]

http://i.imgur.com/oBtsci7.jpg

:D

[nilbog]

peridot money.

[odiecat99]

yeah its awful...

[Ele]

Many Bothans died to bring us this information.

[Ele]

yeah its awful...

Compared to post-Luclin upgrade, most definitely. Without enraging blow, might as well use Dagas.

http://i.imgur.com/eosKpCU.png

[nilbog]

No Idol... so make sure you can kill that AoW.

[Ele]

No Idol... so make sure you can kill that AoW.

so much grief to be had on live for wasting AoWs :o

[Frieza_Prexus]

So,

Is there, uh, any room to argue that upgrading the BoC is within the spirit of the expansion? I mean Verant did openly admit they didn't expect him to be downed until Luclin hit so he wasn't fully itemized.

You know you want to.

[Alarti0001]

So,

Is there, uh, any room to argue that upgrading the BoC is within the spirit of the expansion? I mean Verant did openly admit they didn't expect him to be downed until Luclin hit so he wasn't fully itemized.

You know you want to.

Hehe.... Yes plz... but I think I know how this will end :(

[Ele]

Hmm even Sceptre of Destruction seems to get upgraded a few months down the line.

June 19, 2001
http://web.archive.org/web/20010619173754/http://www.planeteverquest.com/eqwadb/detail.asp?ID=3945

Sceptre of Destruction
MAGIC ITEM
Skill: 1H Blunt Atk Delay: 18
DMG: 10
STR: +10 DEX: +10 STA: +10 HP: +50
Effect: Anarchy
WT: 0.2
Class: WAR CLR PAL RNG SHD DRU MNK BRD ROG SHM
Race: ALL


August 15, 2001
http://web.archive.org/web/20010815041629/http://www.planeteverquest.com/eqwadb/detail.asp?ID=3945


Sceptre of Destruction
MAGIC ITEM
Skill: 1H Blunt Atk Delay: 18
DMG: 12
STR: +10 DEX: +10 STA: +10 HP: +50 MANA: +50
Effect: Anarchy
WT: 0.2
Class: WAR CLR PAL RNG SHD DRU MNK BRD ROG SHM
Race: ALL

[Funkutron5000]

Hmm even Sceptre of Destruction seems to get upgraded a few months down the line.

June 19, 2001
http://web.archive.org/web/20010619173754/http://www.planeteverquest.com/eqwadb/detail.asp?ID=3945

Sceptre of Destruction
MAGIC ITEM
Skill: 1H Blunt Atk Delay: 18
DMG: 10
STR: +10 DEX: +10 STA: +10 HP: +50
Effect: Anarchy
WT: 0.2
Class: WAR CLR PAL RNG SHD DRU MNK BRD ROG SHM
Race: ALL


August 15, 2001
http://web.archive.org/web/20010815041629/http://www.planeteverquest.com/eqwadb/detail.asp?ID=3945


Sceptre of Destruction
MAGIC ITEM
Skill: 1H Blunt Atk Delay: 18
DMG: 12
STR: +10 DEX: +10 STA: +10 HP: +50 MANA: +50
Effect: Anarchy
WT: 0.2
Class: WAR CLR PAL RNG SHD DRU MNK BRD ROG SHM
Race: ALL

That thing is non-lore? Ridiculous.

[Ele]

That thing is non-lore? Ridiculous.

that is not a typo :D

[Splorf22]

I can understand not having the proc but 15/23? warriors everywhere are crying

[Xadion]

red epics are where its at 4evah.

all this is pointless without the expac... If winter has not come by summer...it is sad times.

[Swish]

red epics are where its at 4evah.

all this is pointless without the expac... If winter has not come by summer...it is sad times.

People are in need of a tan, I'd say its best launched when the population recovers from the summer lull ;)

[Frieza_Prexus]

People are in need of a tan, I'd say its best launched when the population recovers from the summer lull ;)

Before July 25th, or after August 2, would be the best time to launch. Anything other than that would be absolutely, terribly, horribly, no good very bad times.

Please don't launch it between those two dates. :(

[Clark]

didn't get mine until post Luclin, always thought it was 15/20 haha

[Alovia]

I remember when one of our monks dual weilding SoD's....could not get agro off him.

[xarzzardorn]

SoDs being so good for melee is like the crown jewel of how terrible enchanters were on raids in velious

[Ele]

Man Tormax Crown kind of a let down for a long while:
http://web.archive.org/web/20010724015924/http://eqdb.allakhazam.com/item.html?item=6139

http://i.imgur.com/DsPjGoh.jpg

Upgraded significantly around October 2001.

October 8 Patch notes:
Added a texture to Flayed Barbarian Skin Leggings.
Added Illusion: Barbarian to the Flayed Barbarian Hide Mask.

Pre-upgrade:
http://i.imgur.com/hWWgoXp.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/m1x0O6R.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ghHifiU.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/i5ePs5n.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ZMjtUra.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/CY8p7Mq.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/eqVdpHs.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/1WttUgr.jpg


http://web.archive.org/web/20011030072036/http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=6595
Palladius Axe of Slaughter
LORE ITEM MAGIC ITEM NO DROP
Damage: 41
Delay: 42
Ratio: 1.024 Amazing
Damage Bonus: 0
AC: +80 Str: +25 Sta: +25 Agi: +25 Dex: +25 Magic Resist: +10 Fire Resist: +10 Cold Resist: +10 Poison Resist: +10 Disease Resist: +10 HP: +100 Mana: +50
Weight: 15.0
Weapon Skill: Two Hand Slash
Classes: Paladin Shadowknight Warrior
Races: All Races
Inventory Slot: Primary Melee
Velious Required: Yes
Can be stored in Medium and larger containers
Last updated: Mon Oct 22 15:12:42 2001
Effect: Strip Enchantment
Type: Triggered
Charges: Unlimited

http://web.archive.org/web/20010716094103/http://www.planeteverquest.com/eqwadb/detail.asp?ID=3677
Hammer of Battle
MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO DROP
Skill: 1H Blunt Atk Delay: 25
DMG: 16
STR: +10 DEX: +5 AGI: +5 HP: +25
WT: 0
Class: WAR PAL RNG SHD MNK BRD ROG
Race: ALL

http://web.archive.org/web/20010429022825/http://www.planeteverquest.com/eqwadb/detail.asp?ID=3729
Reaver
LORE ITEM
Skill: 2H Slash Atk Delay: 45
DMG: 35
SV FIRE: +12 SV DISEASE: +12 SV COLD: +12 SV MAGIC: +12 SV POISON: +12
WT: 25
Class: WAR PAL SHD
Race: ALL

http://web.archive.org/web/20010428181447/http://www.planeteverquest.com/eqwadb/detail.asp?ID=3700

Soul Defiler
MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO DROP
Skill: 1H Slash Atk Delay: 21
DMG: 14
STR: +8 HP: +75 MANA: +75 SV DISEASE: +20 SV POISON: +20
Effect: Call of Bones
WT: 2
Class: SHD
Race: ALL

http://web.archive.org/web/20010716100443/http://www.planeteverquest.com/eqwadb/detail.asp?ID=3810
Cloak of the Falling Stars
MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO DROP
Slot: Back
AC: 14
STR: +9 DEX: +11 AGI: +11 HP: +100 SV FIRE: +7 SV MAGIC: +7
WT: 0.1
Class: MNK BRD ROG
Race: ALL

http://web.archive.org/web/20010806222915/http://www.planeteverquest.com/eqwadb/detail.asp?ID=4044
Serrated Dragon Tooth
MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO DROP
Skill: Piercing Atk Delay: 19
DMG: 10
DEX: +10 STA: +10 AGI: +10 SV FIRE: +9 SV DISEASE: +9 SV COLD: +9 SV MAGIC: +9 SV POISON: +9
Effect: Haste | AC:30
WT: 0
Class: WAR PAL RNG SHD MNK BRD ROG
Race: ALL

http://web.archive.org/web/20011222042218/http://www.planeteverquest.com/eqwadb/detail.asp?ID=4323
Abashi's Rod of Disempowerment
MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO DROP
Skill: 2H Blunt Atk Delay: 35
DMG: 42
STR: +15 HP: +100
Effect: Abolish Enchantment
WT: 2.5
Class: MNK NEC
Race: ALL

http://web.archive.org/web/20010619170844/http://www.planeteverquest.com/eqwadb/detail.asp?ID=3899
Horn of Hsraga
MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM
Skill: Piercing Atk Delay: 20
DMG: 13
STA: +10 HP: +75
Effect: AC: 10
WT: 0.1
Class: WAR RNG SHD ROG
Race: ALL

http://web.archive.org/web/20010619192131/http://www.planeteverquest.com/eqwadb/detail.asp?ID=3961
Dagarn's Tail
MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO DROP
Skill: 1H Slash Atk Delay: 20
DMG: 12
STR: +5 HP: +60 SV FIRE: +20
WT: 8
Class: WAR
Race: ALL

http://web.archive.org/web/20010619200429/http://www.planeteverquest.com/eqwadb/detail.asp?ID=3925
Axe of Resistance
MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO DROP
Skill: 1H Slash Atk Delay: 35
DMG: 15
SV FIRE: +20 SV DISEASE: +20 SV COLD: +20 SV MAGIC: +20 SV POISON: +20
WT: 4
Class: WAR PAL RNG SHD BRD ROG
Race: ALL

Dozekar also needs to look like Druushk !

http://i.imgur.com/hKy7UY2.jpg

[Ele]

http://i.imgur.com/vKRPXqV.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/kiTgnan.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/10P48b6.jpg But see also:
http://web.archive.org/web/20010619185338/http://www.planeteverquest.com/eqwadb/detail.asp?ID=3914
Emerald Bastardsword of Purity
MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO DROP
Skill: 1H Slash Atk Delay: 30
DMG: 20
SV DISEASE: +25
Effect: AC: 20
WT: 8
Class: PAL
Race: ALL
http://i.imgur.com/00EgsIR.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/vPBqiZt.gif
http://i.imgur.com/mXt640q.gif

http://i.imgur.com/2BtSOnA.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/rKfIfLs.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/URBSHxt.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/tMQcqyp.jpg

[Ele]

http://i.imgur.com/g0asgm0.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Ma8TG4O.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2GwTTl0.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/fJ4de4Z.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/47I2jLv.jpg

[Ele]

Very Large Coin Purse only 8 slot (not 12 as it gets upgraded way beyond the scope of our server, 2010)

http://i.imgur.com/fRAZG86.jpg

http://web.archive.org/web/20011225051744/http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=6099

http://i.imgur.com/buk7KAw.jpg

[Stinkum]

Damn bro you're nerding out pretty hard

[SamwiseRed]

basement dweller dwellin hard

[frank]

Custom helms FTW

[Ele]

Custom helms FTW

Not any time soon, those go in one month after the Plane of Fear/Hate upgrades. :(

------------------------------
April 4, 2001 3:00 am
------------------------------

** Item Changes **

- Velious racial plate helm quests have been added that will allow you
to 'trade in' your existing helms for ones with textures. We have
decided to allow the players (or their characters) to chose whether
they wish to have the new helmet textures or to continue to use helmets
that show no graphics.

[Nirgon]

He's not nerding out hard, he found a page with all the prenerf loots on it and is sharing them.

You'd best tread lightly around people with ally faction in the bugs section broseph.

Ele + Treats are certified f'ing crew around these parts.

[Ele]

Damn bro you're nerding out pretty hard

basement dweller dwellin hard

Must maintain classic.

Some more:
http://i.imgur.com/LU8ODzK.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/dTWy0xy.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/AessaIO.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/3DLOMCm.gif
http://i.imgur.com/jUMgrPM.gif

[Gaffin Deeppockets]

BoC was good and sexy. Haters gonna hate.

[Danth]

I thought it was commonly known that a large amount of Velious loot was crummy to begin with and upgraded as the expansion progressed. Some individual items received upgrades more than once. Entire dungeons were re-itemized well before Luclin launched.

Danth

[falkun]

BoC was good and sexy. Haters gonna hate.
Compared to the blatantly obvious monk bias the devs have (using the other classic links Ele is posting), BoC was junk.

15/23 with no proc vs. 13/17 with a proc. That's a no-brainer. No wonder the warrior class had a sit-in and Furor threw a shit-fit. Ele, when does Tunare get itemised?

[Gaffin Deeppockets]

Did not say it was BiS for its time, and yah most tov loot is better. But can you put that shit on a lvl 1? Nope.

[falkun]

Fungi is a bigger game changer for the 1-20 scene than a BoC due to damage caps.

[Arrisard]

Did not say it was BiS for its time, and yah most tov loot is better. But can you put that shit on a lvl 1? Nope.

Challenge accepted.

[Gaffin Deeppockets]

Challenge accepted.

Yeah it is possible. But BoC was just a "look at me im a cool twink wep" and later became worth alot of value, if you didnt have a SoD already. Hell I remember alot of warriors using up till PoP and somewhat later with a anger 3 aug put on it , on my server. Everyone isnt rich, everyone cant log in lvl 1's into ToV to loot a Kreizemm's flame. Just saying its not like this weapon is horrible. But highly overrated I agree.

[falkun]

Augs were post-PoP.

[Gaffin Deeppockets]

No shit I said that.

[falkun]

Ahh, misread. Carry on.

[Arrisard]

Care to wager 100k and a green dragon scale?

Writing it into my will as we type.

[Gaffin Deeppockets]

I recall my warrior using Bloodfrenzy and BoC while I saved dkp for blade of war when PoP came. I held aggro just fine till then. Of course some of the ubers had better weapons by then but the Enraging blow version definately did not suck for aggro for sure. They were worth around 500k at the time as well. Held their value. But def not classic. Just my 2 cents. Sword doesn't "suck" imo just isn't the best or near the best. Its a flashy item that you can throw on a twink since I'm assuming we will never see the EB version here.

[Ele]

http://i.imgur.com/PrP7Jbx.jpg

HOLY SHIET:
http://i.imgur.com/Nch3512.jpg

Boo even my favorite item:
http://i.imgur.com/Coy7S6x.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/OwkUdXp.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2nPckkC.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/c0nb5Os.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/HUJPZca.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/gIbErsv.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/QUuFHxy.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/z7koS4w.jpg

[Alarti0001]

Dozekar also needs to look like Druushk !

http://i.imgur.com/hKy7UY2.jpg

Doze 1.0 was a bitch!

[Zeelot]

Doze 1.0 was a bitch!

I've never found evidence of how his AE's and hits were different than doze 2.0, but I remember it being quite a different fight & was much more difficult in comparison.

[Alarti0001]

I've never found evidence of how his AE's and hits were different than doze 2.0, but I remember it being quite a different fight & was much more difficult in comparison.

This seems highly relevant 6/29/2001
http://forums.hossguild.org/showthread.php?179-Dozekar-so-cursed-he-has-identity-crisis-but-still-dies-June-28

So verant changed Dozekar so he can move, and fit through doors now. Before people could just sit at the door and plink arrows at him all the live long day because he was glued to his spot. Now you can't Of course as you can see from the picture, we don't need to plink to kick has ass.

Of course verant cannot let others see your mana, or put in a command to report ones mana, because of RP reasons. But they can shrink dragons and change their models!

[Alarti0001]

This seems highly relevant
http://forums.hossguild.org/showthread.php?179-Dozekar-so-cursed-he-has-identity-crisis-but-still-dies-June-28

So verant changed Dozekar so he can move, and fit through doors now. Before people could just sit at the door and plink arrows at him all the live long day because he was glued to his spot. Now you can't Of course as you can see from the picture, we don't need to plink to kick has ass.

Of course verant cannot let others see your mana, or put in a command to report ones mana, because of RP reasons. But they can shrink dragons and change their models!

http://forums.hossguild.org/showthread.php?312-Dozekar-s-curse-ends
7/21/2001
Seems to indicate Blue was great and red version not so much.


He left us 4 tears to remember him by, 2 platinum, 1 poison, and 1 black. Those were passed on to close friends as reminders of the once great blue dragon

[Alarti0001]

Further Blue Glory

http://i.imgur.com/S8M5H8V.jpg

http://www.legacyofsteel.net/Archives/Post/2001-06-28


Tigole rant about how weak Doze is now
http://www.legacyofsteel.net/Archives/Post/2001-06-30

http://www.legacyofsteel.net/Archives/Post/2001-07-09 More qq about how disappointing Dozekar is now lol

[Ele]

http://www.legacyofsteel.net/Archives/Post/2001-06-28

June 28, 2001
As we all know, many of the items were upgraded today. North ToV loot finally got the upgrades we all knew were coming. Add to that ToV quest upgrades, Tormax upgrades. . .So you're probably thinking, Wow, that 4 tear quest was finally solved then! Well, Leick once again turned in the tears (under the supervision of the Head GM) and the result was. . . .(drumroll please). . .

[webrunner5]

Fungi is a bigger game changer for the 1-20 scene than a BoC due to damage caps.

Fungi is a GAME changer on a Iksar Monk at level 55 lol.:D

[Frieza_Prexus]

Writing it into my will as we type.

Future interest subject to divestment. Class of "level one rogue with Blade of Carnage" impermissibly defined. Failure of will provision, possible intestacy/default for 100k & green scale if considered specific and not general gift. Violation of rule against perpetuities class does not close.

[falkun]

I noticed today the Axe of the Kromzek kings on the wiki was wrong!

Here is the classic version:
http://web.archive.org/web/20010603052711/http://afterlifeguild.org/images/tormax/kromzek_axe.jpg
That picture was posted Jan 6, 2001 on the afterlife guild website.
http://web.archive.org/web/20010116120700/http://www.afterlifeguild.org/?

With Velious released December 2000 and a comment talking about the updated stats on June 6, 2001, this thing should have the lower stats for ~6-7 months.

It does add 20 STA... would help.
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=6094#m99186747625813

PS: Shout-out to Myuharin/Uygi, who 12 years later is providing evidence for classicness!

[Nirgon]

Will be very sick for war/ranger twinks and maybe even ranger mains imo.

However, if you can kill AoW there's easily better options for your ranger main.

Maybe a late comer to the party or some alt too.

[heartbrand]

this entire thread is what frustrates me most about this server. gear that clearly wasn't within the intended risk v reward guidelines but will be kept permanently outside said risk v reward because it took verant an extra month to patch it in

[Alunova]

Thread is reopened, we are looking for more information on all nerfed/upgraded Velious items and the approximate date of upgrade. I know there is a google doc with most of the stat changes, but looking for approximate dates as well.

[koros]

May 15th, pre-upgrade:
https://web.archive.org/web/20010515214522/http://www.noows.com/

June 28th, post upgrade: http://www.legacyofsteel.net/Archives/Post/2001-06-28

[Alunova]

Asking for community help, not a community rant, knock it off. Tolerance meter is set very low at the moment.

[nilbog]

nah you got people here that scream classic.
but than dont let you drop plat on the ground.

or give weapons/items to random mobs to suprise noobs.
or countless other things like leave kunark after 4 years
or guildwar
or the list goes on an on
its a pick an choose thing , an they like to pick an choose to piss ya off most the time.



I think everything you mentioned either hasn't been developed yet, is a limitation of the client, or is broken. It's not pick and choose.

And this one:

or countless other things like leave kunark after 4 yearsIt took me and a team of volunteers that long in our spare time. That timeline is obviously not intended either.

[Scrubosaur]

I'm not sure how classic some of those weapon links are as some of them are showing BST as a usable class.

[Nirgon]

Still digging for the list of that Zephira's 11/17 version off Vulak.. along with every other pre upgrade version..

It may be gone 4ever to me

[Sikorsky]

Cleaned up the thread, the devs are asking for legitimate feedback to help get velious out. Stop derailing the thread.

Off topic posts will be removed, and forum vacations handed out.

[Ele]

Still digging for the list of that Zephira's 11/17 version off Vulak.. along with every other pre upgrade version..

It may be gone 4ever to me

You mean these?

Fires of Heaven(?) got the first dagger and posted the stats in July 2001.
http://i.imgur.com/86qrzK7.jpg

From June 2001-October 2001, Vulak dropped:
http://i.imgur.com/iHMOW1x.gif

Last week of October 2001, it got changed again to:

http://i.imgur.com/CLyGGGO.jpg

[Nirgon]

Yeah there was another link I had at one point with a 11/17 Zeriphra's and every other drop that had every single original stat on it as farmed by a guild prior to any updates

I dug and dug and dug... but the only page I found that was close had every link pointing to a "buy domains!" site :P.

Anyone I've shared that link with previously I'm sure wouldn't give me it as it nerfs pixels, what can you do :P

[Man0warr]

It's going to be tough to know the exact dates for when some of these item upgrades happened.

They didn't all happen in the same patches, nor were they always listed in the patch notes when they did happen (NToV loot was getting upgraded as early as 2 months in, for example). Some times guilds went weeks between kills and got different loot unexpectedly. Then there is stuff like Tunare who was so buggy for most of early/mid Velious that she was unkillable and no one is sure what was on her loot table originally and what was added (or if it was there originally, did it get upgraded? Like the FT3 Earring).

The only for sure info we have is the original stats, and the final ones. Outside of the 2-handed weapons, which mostly all got upgraded in a single patch when they reworked 2h Damage Bonus and upped the ratios for most of the Velious 2h weapons. You guys might just need to pick an arbitrary date in the timeline to upgrade everything.

[Alunova]

I'm really just looking for the month as close as possible, including BoC upgrade type items which may or may not one day possibly be put in eventually.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

broken loot tables for end bosses started becoming the norm for eq beginning with Velious. To keep shit classic, using the p99 extended timeline, the first year of Velious end bosses should involve loot tables composed of rusty halberds and spell pages.

What is fascinating is, those bosses will still be poopsocked to hell and back. Because pixels. And e-peen. Shit's classic.

[khanable]

broken loot tables for end bosses started becoming the norm for eq beginning with Velious. To keep shit classic, using the p99 extended timeline, the first year of Velious end bosses should involve loot tables composed of rusty halberds and spell pages.

What is fascinating is, those bosses will still be poopsocked to hell and back. Because pixels. And e-peen. Shit's classic.

+1

cloth caps for the first 2 years!

[koros]

My previous post provided the date... From the LoS website on June28th:

As we all know, many of the items were upgraded today. North ToV loot finally got the upgrades we all knew were coming. Add to that ToV quest upgrades, Tormax upgrades. . .So you're probably thinking, Wow, that 4 tear quest was finally solved then!

http://www.legacyofsteel.net/Archives/Post/2001-06-28

Almost all the upgrades happened that patch and that patch alone. The october patch added more monk weapons, upgraded 2 handers, and added things like the shitty rogue 14/21 dagger:

http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=5842