Canine Discipline.

[Rhambuk]

Hey folks got a bit of a situation this morning.

Normally I feel pretty confident in my abilities to relate to my dog and train her appropriately. This morning, before I even woke up, she got my neighbors cat...its a mess.

It's so far past the incident now that disciplining would do no good, I'm taking measures to see that it doesn't happen again, dog run etc etc. I'm just worried shes already got it in her that it's done and was fun.

So I'm taking steps where shes doesn't have as much freedom, im just wondering if anyone else has a dog with bloodlust or if they now a good way to cure them of it.

Besides a bullet please =p

Thanks.

[Miller]

Hey folks got a bit of a situation this morning.

Normally I feel pretty confident in my abilities to relate to my dog and train her appropriately. This morning, before I even woke up, she got my neighbors cat...its a mess.

It's so far past the incident now that disciplining would do no good, I'm taking measures to see that it doesn't happen again, dog run etc etc. I'm just worried shes already got it in her that it's done and was fun.

So I'm taking steps where shes doesn't have as much freedom, im just wondering if anyone else has a dog with bloodlust or if they now a good way to cure them of it.

Besides a bullet please =p

Thanks.

That's pretty horrible. I have a dog, but can't relate in this way... My dog (golden retriever) is the most harmless dog I've ever encountered. I've previously had boxers and a pit bull/german shepard mix and they were great non-agressive dogs but not in the way my dog now is. My dog literally wouldn't harm a fly, I've seen her play with bugs. She's carried bugs in her mouth very gently to be sure not to harm them...

I don't know what to say besides maybe contact a dog obedience expert, maybe there is one on the forums but I wouldn't count on it. I've heard it's a serious issue once a dog kills something like that for the reasons you stated... They think it's fun or whatever. I'm not sure if that's true but it would probably be best to seek a consultation with somebody that knows dog behaviour well.

[Rhambuk]

That's pretty horrible. I have a dog, but can't relate in this way... My dog (golden retriever) is the most harmless dog I've ever encountered. I've previously had boxers and a pit bull/german shepard mix and they were great non-agressive dogs but not in the way my dog now is. My dog literally wouldn't harm a fly, I've seen her play with bugs. She's carried bugs in her mouth very gently to be sure not to harm them...

I don't know what to say besides maybe contact a dog obedience expert, maybe there is one on the forums but I wouldn't count on it. I've heard it's a serious issue once a dog kills something like that for the reasons you stated... They think it's fun or whatever. I'm not sure if that's true but it would probably be best to seek a consultation with somebody that knows dog behaviour well.

Yeah shes a pitt but has been amazing the 2 years i've had her, never growls at people or anything and I'm sure she was just playing with it at first but now that shes gotten a taste im not sure she'll be able to stop.

I just wanted to post here to see if anyone else had any similar experiences before i go spend a few hundred dollars

[Swish]

Yeah shes a pitt but has been amazing the 2 years i've had her, never growls at people or anything and I'm sure she was just playing with it at first but now that shes gotten a taste im not sure she'll be able to stop.

I just wanted to post here to see if anyone else had any similar experiences before i go spend a few hundred dollars

They're illegal in the UK and for a good reason, its like there's some sort of "switch" in them that suddenly turns them bad. Loads of stories in the 1980s here of pitbulls attacking kids and stuff, you don't have any small children around do you?

The city I'm currently in has a ton of macho dogs which aren't kept for any other reason than trying to make the owner look hard/intimidating. I hope she calms down but I think you're right, once she's done it once she might have developed a taste...definitely a job for a dog obedience expert, or at the very least a look on YouTube to see if you can do it yourself :(

[Hitchens]

http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?7200-quot-Once-they-ve-tasted-blood-quot-What-does-this-imply

[Miller]

They're illegal in the UK and for a good reason, its like there's some sort of "switch" in them that suddenly turns them bad. Loads of stories in the 1980s here of pitbulls attacking kids and stuff, you don't have any small children around do you?

The city I'm currently in has a ton of macho dogs which aren't kept for any other reason than trying to make the owner look hard/intimidating. I hope she calms down but I think you're right, once she's done it once she might have developed a taste...definitely a job for a dog obedience expert, or at the very least a look on YouTube to see if you can do it yourself :(

It's quite bullshit and there is 0 evidence that they have a "switch" that turns them agressive. There is a ton of bad press for pits out there that is completly founded on ignorance and sensationalism... Most of the dog attack news out there that's attributed to pits is complete bullshit and the breed of the dog isn't known or is some type of mutt they automatically say is a pit to get attention. Don't spread your anti pit propaganda here.

If you're interested in real pit bull facts check out this article. http://www.examiner.com/article/anti-pit-bull-propaganda-is-based-on-fear-and-not-facts

[Rhambuk]

They're illegal in the UK and for a good reason, its like there's some sort of "switch" in them that suddenly turns them bad. Loads of stories in the 1980s here of pitbulls attacking kids and stuff, you don't have any small children around do you?

The city I'm currently in has a ton of macho dogs which aren't kept for any other reason than trying to make the owner look hard/intimidating. I hope she calms down but I think you're right, once she's done it once she might have developed a taste...definitely a job for a dog obedience expert, or at the very least a look on YouTube to see if you can do it yourself :(

I've rescued mean dogs before and brought them back, we had a bulldog that was horribly abused and for the first few months NO ONE could even sit next to him without him lunging and snapping. Took a while but I got the fear out of that dog. Ever dog and ever person is different that bully and I had a bond like no other I can't reach my pitt sometimes...

Ive had her for 2 years her personality is amazing ive never seen her once growl or even have her fur raise towards a person, shes amazing with little kids loves to play and cuddle the only worry around kids is shell jump up on them to lick their face and knock them down.

Shes just extremely playful with dogs and other things but ive been there to stop her and this time she just went to far and i have to wonder if shes giong to go out of her way looking for it now. She's caught wild turkeys and rabbits but like i said i was right there to call her off before she could kill them.

Pitts get a bad name but they get used horribly. Take a look at those little mini dogs chihwahas ( not even going to bother to spell it right ) etc. those little dogs are about 10x more aggressive than any normal sized dog ive seen, granted they cant do anything... but they are mean mofos...

[Swish]

If your dog killed my cat I would want him put down, too many what it's, sorry.

Agreed, why should it be allowed to attack other animals and get to live? How badly injured was the cat? Are you footing its vet bills (assuming it didnt die)?

Also Xenu, as much as I love that sig... you need to resize it. Rogean is talking about a max height of 150 pixels, I don't want him to do it but right there is the reason he'll do it :(

Smaller version: http://i.minus.com/ib1m63K9IuiKsY.gif

[Rhambuk]

Thanks a TON hitch that was an amazing read i learned a ton!

I have to agree with you here miller, ever since I got her my mother feels the need to tell me about every pitt attack she hears about...

Xenu, I didn't get this dog at pup age I adopted her from the vet at about a year and a half someone found her wandering down the road as a stray. I kind of agree as harsh as it sounds my first instinct was put her down just because it opened my eyes i didnt think she was capable well I knew she was capable but I didnt think she actually would do it, now im thinking there are too many what ifs.

I'm not worried about her attacking people or kids, i just dont want her bringing home a neighbors cat everyday and them bitching at me having the courts force me to put her down after paying $500 for a stupid cat

[Swish]

...i just dont want her bringing home a neighbors cat everyday and them bitching at me having the courts force me to put her down after paying $500 for a stupid cat

wow...did i just..wow...

To you it might just be a stupid cat. To someone else, that cat meant as much to them as your dog does to you.

EDIT: Sorry that does sound preachy, but I like cats about as much as I hate killer dogs :p

[Hitchens]

I love cats. I have two of them.

But people who let their cats run free are asshole owners with no courtesy for their neighbors or the safety of their own pets.

[Hitchens]

Also, Rhambuk, you better get that dog of yours in line or I'll send mine to teach it a lesson.

http://i.imgur.com/7V4M7hM.jpg

You've been warned pal!

[Rhambuk]

Also, Rhambuk, you better get that dog of yours in line or I'll send mine to teach it a lesson.

http://i.imgur.com/7V4M7hM.jpg

You've been warned pal!

lol Ill make sure she sees that, if it doesnt straighten her up nothing will.

To swish, sorry swish I know your a cat guy but I hate cats =p

as much as cats love me and want to crawl on me etc it just doesnt do it for me. Kittens ! i love kittens after about 8 months though its time to take em to the pound.

[Aaron]

Hey folks got a bit of a situation this morning.

Normally I feel pretty confident in my abilities to relate to my dog and train her appropriately. This morning, before I even woke up, she got my neighbors cat...its a mess.

It's so far past the incident now that disciplining would do no good, I'm taking measures to see that it doesn't happen again, dog run etc etc. I'm just worried shes already got it in her that it's done and was fun.

So I'm taking steps where shes doesn't have as much freedom, im just wondering if anyone else has a dog with bloodlust or if they now a good way to cure them of it.

Besides a bullet please =p

Thanks.

Incident happened in your yard or did your dog get out?

[Rhambuk]

Incident happened in your yard or did your dog get out?

my yard, we hvae 60 acres and except for my brother whos house is on our lot our closest neighbors are miles away through woods and forests so we dont tie up our dogs...

It was his families cat btw so it was an isolated incident

NOW theres a reason too...

[Nuk3Afr1ca]

I'm pretty sure all dogs try to kill cats, it just usually doesn't work because the cat is usually faster at escaping and running up a tree or something.

[Rhambuk]

I'm pretty sure all dogs try to kill cats, it just usually doesn't work because the cat is usually faster at escaping and running up a tree or something.

yeah lol

I was just more worried about her having a "lust" now that shes done it. but reading through hitch's forum here shed a lot of light on my eyes )

[Aaron]

my yard, we hvae 60 acres and except for my brother whos house is on our lot our closest neighbors are miles away through woods and forests so we dont tie up our dogs...

It was his families cat btw so it was an isolated incident

NOW theres a reason too...

Then there's nothing that needs to be done. No disciplining that can happen and nothing to feel guilty about.

[Rhambuk]

Then there's nothing that needs to be done. No disciplining that can happen and nothing to feel guilty about.

I know I can't discipline her but I just don't want it to happen again. I know that until theres a similar situation in which i can discipline her into behaving correctly theres really nothing I can do but wait...

[Rhambuk]

Honestly I will be the one to make that decision.

And if anyone else feels entitled to make that decision for me, they can try and take her from me with my shotgun in their face.

[Hitchens]

Rhambuk lives out in the boonies. You're creating a tempest in a teacup. Cat owners should keep their animals inside and follow the same laws dog owners have to. Cats can't be trained to respect property lines.

[India]

I'd suggest an evaluation, just for your peace of mind.

I have a german shepherd and he has been socialized and socialized and socialized... and one day while in puppy daycare, he turned on a dog and pinned him into a corner. He didn't draw blood, he didn't bite, but he was aggressive, he was determined and wouldn't let that dog move.

I took him to and we're working with a trainer. One of the nuggets of information he gave me was that at certain ages aggression in dogs can change and it's very possible it will escalate if left unchecked.

[Rhambuk]

I'd suggest an evaluation, just for your peace of mind.

I have a german shepherd and he has been socialized and socialized and socialized... and one day while in puppy daycare, he turned on a dog and pinned him into a corner. He didn't draw blood, he didn't bite, but he was aggressive, he was determined and wouldn't let that dog move.

I took him to and we're working with a trainer. One of the nuggets of information he gave me was that at certain ages aggression in dogs can change and it's very possible it will escalate if left unchecked.

She has a lot of freedom, too much. When I'm around and it's me and her she knows how to behave 100% and she is always looking to me for affirmation.

But I'm not the only person, my father lets her go wild and it drives me NUTS but theres nothing i can do about it. This really has formed her behavior because when im around she knows what she can and cant do but when im not around she just goes wild and she knows there isnt going to be anyone disciplining her.

Thats just my fathers belief...his dog is about 75lbs overweight though and couldnt chase down a cat to save its life so it doesnt need a lot of training..

[Thulack]

Rhambuk lives out in the boonies. You're creating a tempest in a teacup. Cat owners should keep their animals inside and follow the same laws dog owners have to. Cats can't be trained to respect property lines.

When the last time a cat killed someone other then maybe getting in their feet walking down a flight of steps? While i think it could be a isolated incident IF it happens again your response will be what? You obviously don't care about cats so why not let the dog keep killing them? If you didnt care about one cat then why would you care about 2 or 3 or 4? This was relly all ment for Rham but saying that dogs and cats should follow same laws is funny.

Edit: I've grown up with cats and dogs as pets all my life and love them equally but when 1 animal attacks another something should be done. And no offense Rham but the same fiercness that you defend your dog people defend their cats. You be really pissed if your dog came home all fucked up from someone elses pet and you would do something about it right?

[Rhambuk]

When the last time a cat killed someone other then maybe getting in their feet walking down a flight of steps? While i think it could be a isolated incident IF it happens again your response will be what? You obviously don't care about cats so why not let the dog keep killing them? If you didnt care about one cat then why would you care about 2 or 3 or 4? This was relly all ment for Rham but saying that dogs and cats should follow same laws is funny.

Edit: I've grown up with cats and dogs as pets all my life and love them equally but when 1 animal attacks another something should be done. And no offense Rham but the same fiercness that you defend your dog people defend their cats. You be really pissed if your dog came home all fucked up from someone elses pet and you would do something about it right?

Just because I don't like cats doesn't mean I want my dog going around killing every cat it finds, thats just fucked up dude really?

It's bad behavior whether its a cat or a squirrel or anything its not something I want her doing and it will only lead to future problems hence why I would like to stop it.

*edit due to your edit!*

Yeah I can understand that I would be pissed and you could bet I would do something about it just like I would expect any pet owner to come up to me in any situation. In this situation though my brother and his family decided to treat it like an isolated incident, its really a homestead family dog so its like if your dog kills your cat...

it was an upsetting situation for everyone, no one was happy this morning and weve all been tense trying to figure out what to do while she is leashed to a tree.

[Hitchens]

I didn't say dogs and cats should follow the same laws. I said cat owners should follow the same laws as dog owners. I can't let my dog run around and shit in everyone's yard, but some cat owners have no problem with this. It's crap. Keep your cats inside.

If your cat goes in someone else's yard and gets eaten it's your fault for being a crappy owner. That's why I keep mine inside. I'm not a crappy cat owner.

[Nihilist_santa]

Dont listen to these nanny state jerks Rhambuk, just because they let the state neuter their citizens in the UK doesn't mean it applies here.

Your dog acted pretty normal in my opinion. You live on a good chunk of land and the dog was probably just being territorial. The owner of the cat should have kept a closer on eye on where it was instead of letting it wander around. If your dog had not killed it a car or something else would have so I would not beat myself up over it.

I have a Pitt bull and a Brittany Spaniel both are sweet as can be but the Brittany Spaniel is a hunting dog and has been bred to kill and retrieve birds. Its cruel for me to get on to her for killing a bird and there is no way it could understand.

You people are ridiculous. Do you give your cats a lecture or have them put down when they kill a bird or mouse? My cat is a far worse killer than either dog.

[Hitchens]

Actually agree with Horrible Santa for once.

It happened on Rhambuk's property. The cat shouldn't have been there, it should have been in the owner's house, not out needlessly slaying wildlife for kicks and shitting in yards.

[Thulack]

Dont listen to these nanny state jerks Rhambuk, just because they let the state neuter their citizens in the UK doesn't mean it applies here.

Your dog acted pretty normal in my opinion. You live on a good chunk of land and the dog was probably just being territorial. The owner of the cat should have kept a closer on eye on where it was instead of letting it wander around. If your dog had not killed it a car or something else would have so I would not beat myself up over it.

I have a Pitt bull and a Brittany Spaniel both are sweet as can be but the Brittany Spaniel is a hunting dog and has been bred to kill and retrieve birds. Its cruel for me to get on to her for killing a bird and there is no way it could understand.

You people are ridiculous. Do you give your cats a lecture or have them put down when they kill a bird or mouse? My cat is a far worse killer than either dog.

If it was someone else's pet bird or Mouse then yes something would be done about it. I have had pet rats and pet cats at the same time and the cats never tried to eat the rats. they would just play. Hell most the time the cats would run from the rats.

[Rhambuk]

You people are ridiculous. Do you give your cats a lecture or have them put down when they kill a bird or mouse? My cat is a far worse killer than either dog.

Thanks, this made me chuckle as I was just thinking about how dogs are treated far more strictly and I think its because dogs can be taught.

You can train cats to do things use a litter box etc but I've never seen a cat come when you call its name or KNOW when its done wrong. A dog has this ability and I think we hold them to a higher standard because we know if trained properly a dog would know better than to kill a cat, where a cat doesnt know any better than killing mice and birds.

I'm sure this will bring a lot of hate from the cat lovers, but personally I've never seen a cat know when its done wrong and is going to be punished where a dog will cower in the corner the second you open the door if it knocked the trash down and it knows your going to scold it.

[India]

But I'm not the only person, my father lets her go wild and it drives me NUTS but theres nothing i can do about it.

Just responding to this part :)

Talk to a trainer and use that as your backup, then talk to you dad.

Take your dad with you to the trainer on the second visit (or even the first visit)

Kennel the dog, if needed and explain to your dad why (the dog needs discipline, parameters, etc.)

Dependent on the trainers recommendations, you may need to learn how to properly use a shock collar and have your dad learn too - With this, there is consistent reinforcement from all members of the family, which kind of sounds where one of your struggles might be.

There's a whole host of things you can probably do for your dogs benefit :) Though ya I get it, it's going to be more challenging because of your father. You'll be training him too! :p

Edit

[Rhambuk]

Just responding to this part :)

Talk to a trainer and use that as your backup, then talk to you dad.

Take your dad with you to the trainer on the second visit (or even the first visit)

Kennel the dog, if needed and explain to your dad why (the dog needs discipline, parameters, etc.)

Dependent on the trainers recommendations, you may need to learn how to properly use a shock collar and have your dad learn too - With this, there is consistent reinforcement from all members of the family, which kind of sounds where one of your struggles might be.

There's a whole host of things you can probably do for your dogs benefit :) Though ya I get it, it's going to be more challenging because of your father. You'll be training your father too! :p

He's so old fashioned he simply doesnt believe in it, i mean if hes sick as a dog puking he wont take medicine becuase he doesnt believe in it.

and its not like a shack in the woods =p

its an old farmstead with a HUGE farmhouse, my brothers house etc. our land is fields mostly not like sticks and branches hanging over our heads =p

[Sirken]

so much stupid in this thread.

1) unless your dog is use to cats, its going to go after cats. you can not undo evolution. Spike eats Tom, Tom eats Jerry. tell people to keep cats out of your yard and get a "Beware of Dog" sign, for your yard.

2) Cats belong in the house, anyone that lets their cat run outside is a fucking idiot, and deserves whatever happens to their cat (be it a dog, or a car, or a racoon, or abduction, or even another cat since they fight each other ALL THE TIME).

3) who is to say the cat did not take a swipe at the dog, and legitimately deserved what happened. Cats attack things WAY more often than dogs. but i guess its ok for cats to inherently be mass murderers, as well as not listen to a fucking thing that a person says.

4) people that expect a dog to be put down for attacking a cat are the dumbest fucking people on the planet.


PS- since its your brothers cat ( i think i read that ), it should be ok. as far as future incidents, i dont think you should worry about it. THE ONLY time i would worry is if the dog tried to go after a person. But a dog going after a cat (especially a cat on its "home" turf) is completely normal, as Dogs are extremely territorial.

Good Luck!

[Hitchens]

2) Cats belong in the house, anyone that lets their cat run outside is a fucking idiot, and deserves whatever happens to their cat (be it a dog, or a car, or a racoon, or abduction, or even another cat since they fight each other ALL THE TIME).

This

Every serious animal welfare group, veterinarian group, etc says cats belong in the house. You are cutting your supposedly beloved pet's lifespan down drastically by letting it outside. There is no reason to let your cat outside, if your cat is bored it's because you suck as a cat owner.

[Sirken]

I disagree, I don't think it's normal for a dog to kill a cat. I would even bet that over 80% of the dogs in the world would not kill a cat if they were put in the same room alone together

ok, try that 10 times with 10 different dogs and cats, and lemme know how it works out for you.

read this again, but slower this time. these arent opinions;
1) unless your dog is use to cats, its going to go after cats. you can not undo evolution. Spike eats Tom, Tom eats Jerry. tell people to keep cats out of your yard and get a "Beware of Dog" sign, for your yard.

2) Cats belong in the house, anyone that lets their cat run outside is a fucking idiot, and deserves whatever happens to their cat (be it a dog, or a car, or a racoon, or abduction, or even another cat since they fight each other ALL THE TIME).

3) who is to say the cat did not take a swipe at the dog, and legitimately deserved what happened. Cats attack things WAY more often than dogs. but i guess its ok for cats to inherently be mass murderers, as well as not listen to a fucking thing that a person says.

4) people that expect a dog to be put down for attacking a cat are the dumbest fucking people on the planet.

PS- since its your brothers cat ( i think i read that ), it should be ok. as far as future incidents, i dont think you should worry about it. THE ONLY time i would worry is if the dog tried to go after a person. But a dog going after a cat (especially a cat on its "home" turf) is completely normal, as Dogs are extremely territorial.

[Rhambuk]

Thanks sirk, not sure who started it though im sure my dog wanted to chase it.

Either way that cat did a number on my dog, tip of her ear torn open, her nose, top of her head, her cheek all scratched to shit. Gave her a bath after and not 20 minutes her face and head are soaked in blood. Her own

[Hitchens]

Dog probably went up to sniff cat's butt, cat puffed up and swiped dog's face.

That's what cats do.

[Swish]

http://www.bodylovewellness.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/well-thats-just-like-your-opinion-man-gif-the-dude-lebowski.gif

Alright, well people are entitled to their opinions. I don't see why people want dogs that are inherently violent...someone mentioned they have a golden retriever. A decent placcid breed that doesn't want to kill anything. Why own a pitbull? As mentioned its bred to fight...fuck that.

Cats are outdoor animals, they roam where they can do so without restriction. Usually cats won't go into a neighbour's back yard/garden if they know there's a dog waiting. A cat's health is actually affected if you keep it indoors all its life.

Nobody gives a shit though. How about if my dog escapes into your back yard and kills your dog... problem? Or will you throw your hands up (like you're doing now) and say "it happens man". I wonder...

[Rhambuk]

http://www.bodylovewellness.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/well-thats-just-like-your-opinion-man-gif-the-dude-lebowski.gif

Alright, well people are entitled to their opinions. I don't see why people want dogs that are inherently violent...someone mentioned they have a golden retriever. A decent placcid breed that doesn't want to kill anything. Why own a pitbull? As mentioned its bred to fight...fuck that.


As I've said this is the very first sign of actual aggression, and I didnt even see the encounter as i said she was probably playing and went to far...

In 2 years shes never growled at a person, never snapped at another animal, never even showed her teeth to me when i raise my hand. The only time she gets "aggressive" is in defense when other dogs come up to her and cause problems, and I discipline her for being aggressive in that situation.

In my life she has been the most friendly and loving dog i have ever seen, i'm not just saying that because shes my dog i've had like 5 dogs in my life and shes definitely not my favorite =p
but i have never once seen event a glint of mean in her eye. I'm just tired of people saying pittbulls are killers, end. like we should just exterminate the breed.

[Hitchens]

Nobody gives a shit though. How about if my dog escapes into your back yard and kills your dog... problem? Or will you throw your hands up (like you're doing now) and say "it happens man". I wonder...

I would have a problem with that, but I wouldn't have a problem with the dog. I'd have a problem with you for being a shitty dog owner.

[Sirken]

I would have a problem with that, but I wouldn't have a problem with the dog. I'd have a problem with you for being a shitty dog owner.

A+

[Rhambuk]

I would have a problem with that, but I wouldn't have a problem with the dog. I'd have a problem with you for being a shitty dog owner.

This is why I was asking, I know its not her fault for what she did but I would be an irresponsible owner if I didn't try and prevent it from happening in the future.

[nilbog]

im just wondering if anyone else has a dog with bloodlust or if they now a good way to cure them of it.

Thanks.

Protection of territory is not bloodlust. If your dog ventures outside its terrority and kills, then it needs behavioral training.

[Hitchens]

This is why I was asking, I know its not her fault for what she did but I would be an irresponsible owner if I didn't try and prevent it from happening in the future.

Seems to me the best way to keep this from happening is to explain to your brother how if he really loves his cats, the best thing for them is to keep them indoors and in an environment where they are content being there. If he can't lay on the couch and wave a laser pointer around, perhaps he should get a gerbil.

[Rhambuk]

According to humane sites one un-spayed female cat and one un-neutered male cat and their offspring results in 420,000 kittens in 7 years.
Sounds like my dog was doing Bob Barker's work, shes neutered by the way.

and keep your cats indoors
They rapin everybody up in here!

[Rhambuk]

Seems to me the best way to keep this from happening is to explain to your brother how if he really loves his cats

technically it was his girlfriends and were just going to tell her it ran away, he couldn't give 2 shits.

but I would still like to do as much as I could on my end, be nice to leave the house and know what I could trust her with.

[Sirken]

Protection of territory is not bloodlust. If your dog ventures outside its terrority and kills, then it needs behavioral training.
QFT x2 - Nilbog, how dare u bring common sense into this thread!

Seems to me the best way to keep this from happening is to explain to your brother how if he really loves his cats, the best thing for them is to keep them indoors and in an environment where they are content being there. If he can't lay on the couch and wave a laser pointer around, perhaps he should get a gerbil.
MOAR QFT

[Swish]

I would have a problem with that, but I wouldn't have a problem with the dog. I'd have a problem with you for being a shitty dog owner.

But if your dog attacks my cat, I can't have a problem with you for being a shitty dog owner?

Protection of territory is not bloodlust. If your dog ventures outside its terrority and kills, then it needs behavioral training.

As seen in some of those pitbull videos linked further back...one dog goes venturing into someone else's garden and kills a cat there and then.



Common sense is subjective it seems.

[Hitchens]

technically it was his girlfriends and were just going to tell her it ran away, he couldn't give 2 shits.

but I would still like to do as much as I could on my end, be nice to leave the house and know what I could trust her with.

Dog did nothing wrong as far as I can tell. You don't know that the dog started it, dog may have just wanted to sniff butts and say hi. Although you should get the wounds checked out, cat claws and teeth are really nasty.

[Hitchens]

But if your dog attacks my cat, I can't have a problem with you for being a shitty dog owner?

Not if you let it roam free like an asshole and it happens in my yard, no.

[nilbog]

As seen in some of those pitbull videos linked further back...one dog goes venturing into someone else's garden and kills a cat there and then.


Then it needs behavioral training. Don't be a dog racist.

[Rhambuk]

As seen in some of those pitbull videos linked further back...one dog goes venturing into someone else's garden and kills a cat there and then.
Common sense is subjective it seems.

I only watched the first 2 videos, the first one terrible owners plain and simple they should not be allowed to have dogs, the 2nd which i believe is the one you mention the cat was alive when the woman carried it away and again terrible owner the guy lets his dog wander around a public parking lot unleashed and watched it go into their yard, casually goes over and just opens the door and waits for the dog to come back out.
Like 2 minutes later the dog gets the cat and the guy tried for like 2 seconds before his buddy had to pull the dog off and yell at it.

almost any breed would probably react the same way in such conditions, chained to a 10foot space they will become insanely territorial, and with an owner so....unpresent its no wonder that dog wouoldnt come when called and had no issue wandering into someone elses yard for 5 minutes.

[Thulack]

technically it was his girlfriends and were just going to tell her it ran away, he couldn't give 2 shits.

but I would still like to do as much as I could on my end, be nice to leave the house and know what I could trust her with.


Done talking about this cause thats fucked up. Hope she finds out and breaks up with your brother.

[Swish]

Don't be a dog racist.

They're only nice dogs if they're white, yeah..

[Hitchens]

That cute little thing I posted a pic of earlier? I got her from a shelter. She was a territorial little shit that would attack anyone and everything that approached me, even my own kid. With proper training I can now take her to work and she sleeps in her bed all day next to my desk. This anti pit bull stuff is stupid.

But good luck training a cat not to kill birds if you let it outside. I love cats, but they're just different animals.

[Swish]

Done talking about this cause thats fucked up. Hope she finds out and breaks up with your brother.

A+

that's fucking retarded thinking, even if the cat attacked the dog it would swipe and bolt not stand there and fight to the death.

You know damn well that that pit got his jaw locked on that cat and had a "bloody" good time.

A++

[Aaron]

http://www.bodylovewellness.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/well-thats-just-like-your-opinion-man-gif-the-dude-lebowski.gif

Alright, well people are entitled to their opinions. I don't see why people want dogs that are inherently violent...someone mentioned they have a golden retriever. A decent placcid breed that doesn't want to kill anything. Why own a pitbull? As mentioned its bred to fight...fuck that.



This is all incorrect. Pitbulls are not inherently violent. They score higher on temperment tests than golden retrievers - meaning they are less prone to violence.

[Rhambuk]

Done talking about this cause thats fucked up. Hope she finds out and breaks up with your brother.

I agree but if thats how he wants to handle it then so be it, if she asks me you bet im gonna tell her.

They're only nice dogs if they're white, yeah..

She is white!

[Swish]

This is all incorrect. Pitbulls are not inherently violent. They score higher on temperment tests than golden retrievers - meaning they are less prone to violence.

Find me some "golden retreiver attacks child" type youtube videos and I'll start listening :p

[joppykid]

They're illegal in the UK and for a good reason, its like there's some sort of "switch" in them that suddenly turns them bad. Loads of stories in the 1980s here of pitbulls attacking kids and stuff, you don't have any small children around do you?

The city I'm currently in has a ton of macho dogs which aren't kept for any other reason than trying to make the owner look hard/intimidating. I hope she calms down but I think you're right, once she's done it once she might have developed a taste...definitely a job for a dog obedience expert, or at the very least a look on YouTube to see if you can do it yourself :(

Don't be fucking dumb Swish. It's not the god damn breed. It's the fucking dumb owners. Quit being ignorant and do some fucking research. I'm sick of people being stupid and saying pits are bad dogs. Just like rottweilers, German shepherds and dobermans were in the 80's and 90's. In 10 years it will be chihuahaha's are mean.

[Hitchens]

Ask a vet what they have more problems with: pit bulls or chihuahuas.

[Hitchens]

^Chihuahuas don't kill

http://i.imgur.com/ZjVtaYj.gif

[Swish]

Don't be fucking dumb Swish. It's not the god damn breed. It's the fucking dumb owners. Quit being ignorant and do some fucking research...

http://youtu.be/PdPGaWvVTJw?t=1m21s

o rly? A 4 year old girl gets attacked by a pitbull, and her parents even described the owner... isolated incident?

[Thulack]

Find me some "golden retreiver attacks child" type youtube videos and I'll start listening :p

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/dog-killed-2-month-old-baby-ripped-child-legs-father-slept-room-police-article-1.1065711

Not youtube though :P

But i am with joppy on it being the owner that makes them bad. I have friend that has a year and half old pit. First time she met my 5 year old son she was great with him(she was not raised around children). Even when they went outside another dog went to come up to my son and she got infront of him and growled at the other dog. People make bad dogs. Not saying rham is bad it was a thing of nature but it should have somehow been repremanded right away instead of just letting it be.

[joppykid]

http://youtu.be/PdPGaWvVTJw?t=1m21s

o rly? A 4 year old girl gets attacked by a pitbull, and her parents even described the owner... isolated incident?

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=902488&postcount=50

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=890594&postcount=21

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=890545&postcount=15

[joppykid]

You're very naive if you truly believe pitbulls are natural born killers and know nothing of dogs.

[Hitchens]

Every behavioral problem in a dog is due to the owner not doing his or her job and probably shouldn't have a dog. These animals were created by people to serve people, and they want to serve people. They just need to be told how.

[joppykid]

http://youtu.be/PdPGaWvVTJw?t=1m21s

o rly? A 4 year old girl gets attacked by a pitbull, and her parents even described the owner... isolated incident?

Just because someone is "stable" does not make them a good dog owner lmfao

[joppykid]

Every behavioral problem in a dog is due to the owner not doing his or her job and probably shouldn't have a dog. These animals were created by people to serve people, and they want to serve people. They just need to be told how.

Well said.

[Hitchens]

Not saying rham is bad it was a thing of nature but it should have somehow been repremanded right away instead of just letting it be.

You can't reprimand a dog for defending itself if its face is being slashed up by a pissed off cat well after the fact. There's nothing to reprimand. The dog wouldn't understand.

[myriverse]

so much stupid in this thread.

1) unless your dog is use to cats, its going to go after cats. you can not undo evolution. Spike eats Tom, Tom eats Jerry. tell people to keep cats out of your yard and get a "Beware of Dog" sign, for your yard.

2) Cats belong in the house, anyone that lets their cat run outside is a fucking idiot, and deserves whatever happens to their cat (be it a dog, or a car, or a racoon, or abduction, or even another cat since they fight each other ALL THE TIME).
This.

Anyone who truly loves their cats will keep them indoors. They tend to live 2-3 times longer this way, because cats do crazystupid things like this.

And don't think this makes me a cat hater. I love cats, and would probably choose a cat over a dog 9 days a week. But the whole socialization thing is a two-way street. I guarantee had the cat acted differently, it would probably be alive.

Anyway, sorry to hear about your drama. It's a sad situation all around. I hope it turns out alright. I would suggest the animals of both homes get to know each other in controlled settings. The more unfamiliar they are with each other, the more likely things like this will happen.

[Rhambuk]

There's nothing to reprimand. The dog wouldn't understand.

exactly it was just to late by the time i found out, any sort of discipline would have simply confused her because it was so far past the incident.

But I dont want to just let it happen so i came asking if there was something, I think besides starting a huge shitstorm here i got my answer.

We hooked up a lead outside so even if something comes into her territory she cant chase it indefinitely. its something at least

[Hitchens]

This.

Anyone who truly loves their cats will keep them indoors. They tend to live 2-3 times longer this way, because cats do crazystupid things like this.

Exactly. Anyone who can't entertain the idea that a cat would go after a dog with claws drawn and tail puffed just for the dog wanting to say hi doesn't know cats.

[nilbog]

They're only nice dogs if they're white, yeah..

Pit Bulls and other domesticated "dogs" are a subspecies of Canis Lupus. (canis lupus familiaris)

Dogs respond like all animals (humans included) to their environment and react to various stimuli in the way they think best according to previous experiences from memory. If they are raised in a nurturing environment and taught well (just like humans), as they age they respond mostly by memory except in cases of extreme fear or pain in which they will act more by instinct (just like humans).

A dog is a dog. It's not fair to claim because they are involved in more 'crimes' that they are inherently different than another one of the same subspecies.

[Hitchens]

We hooked up a lead outside so even if something comes into her territory she cant chase it indefinitely. its something at least

Good solution. I do something similar with one of my cats. She really likes being outside so I stick her in a small dog kennel cage near the bird feeder for a few hours a day when the weather's nice. She lies there watching birds in a safe environment and no longer darts outside when the door opens. Keeps the pigeons away too.

[Nihilist_santa]

Pit Bulls and other domesticated "dogs" are a subspecies of Canis Lupus. (canis lupus familiaris)

Dogs respond like all animals (humans included) to their environment and react to various stimuli in the way they think best according to previous experiences from memory. If they are raised in a nurturing environment and taught well (just like humans), as they age they respond mostly by memory except in cases of extreme fear or pain in which they will act more by instinct (just like humans).

A dog is a dog. It's not fair to claim because they are involved in more 'crimes' that they are inherently different than another one of the same subspecies.

Truth. I also want to add that , and this is just my opinion, but a lot of the hype and legislation aimed at pit bulls and their owners is somewhat racist and or a class issue.
Similar to the marijuana and cocaine scares that were used to create a stigma about blacks and Mexicans in the earlier part of the last century.

I lived somewhere where if you owned a pit bull you had to pay permits, have special fencing and inspections (had to be buried at least 1 foot underground with a concrete slab and curved) and some other nonsense. All this to protect the "precious children" while they shuttle them off to McDonald's and stuff their faces with fries and nuggets and plop them down in front of the TV the rest of the day. :rolleyes:

[Rhambuk]

Bad parents > Good pet owners...

[Lootmule]

Your dog needs more attention. You been posting more than alarti after a trakapoop. I would guess you post 500 times per day.

Unplug your ass and take a forum break and play with your dog.

[Hasbinbad]

Every behavioral problem in a dog is due to the owner not doing his or her job and probably shouldn't have a dog. These animals were created by people to serve people, and they want to serve people. They just need to be told how.
This sounds like some shit out of the south about slaves.

Humanocentric trash.

[Hasbinbad]

Pit Bulls and other domesticated "dogs" are a subspecies of Canis Lupus. (canis lupus familiaris)

Dogs respond like all animals (humans included) to their environment and react to various stimuli in the way they think best according to previous experiences from memory. If they are raised in a nurturing environment and taught well (just like humans), as they age they respond mostly by memory except in cases of extreme fear or pain in which they will act more by instinct (just like humans).

A dog is a dog. It's not fair to claim because they are involved in more 'crimes' that they are inherently different than another one of the same subspecies.
As much as you can change a dog outer appearance from a wolf, you can likewise change their behavioral traits. They revert in mannerisms and behavior in a few generations, similar to their physical appearance.

So while I agree with the gist of what you're saying, I have different reasons. Aggressiveness certainly can be bred in and out of any animal with those types of hormones. But honestly nobody is really doing the science to tell you if pitbulls are over any given threshold.

Anyway, my 2 cents about this thread:

Indoor cats are slaves and outdoor cats are free and magical.

If you have an outdoor cat, you need to be prepared to find out that that animal has been run over or eaten by a pitbull. It's part of having an outdoor cat. Which are rad.

Pitbulls are amazing animals, and will respond to your nonverbal language just like any dog. I've never known a pitbull I wasn't able to immediately turn into a puppy by wagging my butt and smiling. I've known several rescued pits, and even when they are RAISED to fight, they just want to cuddle with you if you tell them it's ok.

When I was a kid, I had a cat that had a little of kittens. They were probably 2-3 weeks old. I had a west highland white terrier. He got in to the kittens. When I got home it was a bloody horror show. I learned to accept that animals are different than humans and that instincts are a bitch.

Humans owning animals as pets need to learn to accept animal nature in pets and work with that nature instead of trying to conform pet animals to human nature.

[Hitchens]

Curiosity got the better of me and I clicked "view post." Pretty much what I expected.

http://i.imgur.com/DVZm1Hd.jpg

[Rhambuk]

Your dog needs more attention. You been posting more than alarti after a trakapoop. I would guess you post 500 times per day.

Unplug your ass and take a forum break and play with your dog.

send me a pm if you want to see my reply to this, basically its me saying. you should kill yourself.

[Lootmule]

send me a pm if you want to see my reply to this, basically its me saying. you should kill yourself.

Maybe you could send your neglected attack dog after me.

Unplug!

[Rhambuk]

rnf jackass...

[India]

Long story short, if your wonderful dog is now showing aggression, you are in no way equipped to handle it. If you were, you would not be posting here. Do yourself and more importantly, your dog a favor and get to a fucking trainer.

Just do it. Once aggression is shown it's not going to "go away". It's going to increase,,, seriously. He got away with his aggressive behavior once, it's now going to escalate.

I tried to be nice the first couple of times I posted because I get it, a dog is your baby, it's your family, it's an extension of yourself,, I get all that

That said, I don't mean to be a jerk about all this, though I am sure you may take it as such so my apologies in advance

[India]

PS I like using the F word!! :)

[Rhambuk]

PS I like using the F word!! :)

hugs.

I don't know if she was being aggressive I didn't see the encounter. either way its something to at least get checked out and have her evaluated.

thanks

[India]

hugs.

I don't know if she was being aggressive I didn't see the encounter. either way its something to at least get checked out and have her evaluated.

thanks

Let us know how it goes, I'm curious to hear what happens

Also, I get a little over zealous when it comes to pets (dogs and cats!!) :)

[Rhambuk]

Let us know how it goes, I'm curious to hear what happens

Also, I get a little over zealous when it comes to pets (dogs and cats!!) :)

I think we all do heh )

[Kruel]

this has nothing to do with a bad dog. Dogs are a product of there owners. If the owner had a eye on his dog while it was outside, there is a much higher chance the cat would still be alive. I dont care if you have a enclosed backyard.. dogs are amazing escape artist... he can get out if he wants to... ALWAYS have your eye on your dog if he is outside.

[Rhambuk]

this has nothing to do with a bad dog. Dogs are a product of there owners. If the owner had a eye on his dog while it was outside, there is a much higher chance the cat would still be alive. I dont care if you have a enclosed backyard.. dogs are amazing escape artist... he can get out if he wants to... ALWAYS have your eye on your dog if he is outside.

Can't argue with this, guaranteed if I was there It wouldn't have happened but I was still asleep and someone else let her out.

[Lojik]

I would agree that most of the time if there is a problem with a dog, it usually stems from the owner not doing their job. However I really can't believe that people think that ALL problem dogs have a bad owner. Certain breeds have different personality traits, that's just the way it is. If you have ever owned a husky type breed you will know what I mean.

We've never owned pitts, so I won't comment on the supposed "aggressive" tendencies that pitts have. I have known people who have owned pitts, and I've always heard the same thing: they are gentle and respond very well to training. This is one reason they are good as fighting dogs, they respond well to training. They certainly get a lot of bad press, but perhaps for whatever reason shitty dog owners really want to own pitbulls, or maybe there is something in their nature that can cause them to just snap.

[Rhambuk]

yeah I used to have a husky. It was almost impossible to walk him the second you put the leash on him he would be pulling.

[Thulack]

yeah I used to have a husky. It was almost impossible to walk him the second you put the leash on him he would be pulling.

I had a friend that showed Malamute's. Outside of the ring we use to strap sleds to them and give the kids rides. So the pulling and wants to run is understandable. Once inside the ring though they was perfect. It's all a matter of training.

[Smilkers]

sounds like this thread has been resolved, but felt I'd chime in with my terrifying cat-loving pitt mix:

http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa325/Smilkers/trillnkeep01_zpsb1565b1f.jpg
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http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa325/Smilkers/trillnkeep02_zps2aef999b.jpg

not all pitts are killers :)

[Rhambuk]

not all pitts are killers :)

:( Mine isn't!

[Swish]

haha that cat reminds me of the famous "Chinese" cat on the internets :p

http://www.cuteheaven.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/chinees-cat.jpg

[Rhambuk]

um, yes he is.

He killed a cat right

there were 3 dogs involved mine just had blood all over her. hers mind you.

didnt see what happened she mightve got beat up and ran off while the ogher 2 did it.

regardless its a horrible situation ans were working towards remedying it. there should be no more incidents

[Smilkers]

bad choice of words on my part, sorry Rhambuk.
did not mean to imply anything about your situation. just wanted to counter some of the anti-pitt discussion.

edit: and yeah Swish! I laughed so hard when the cat was doing that IRL, haha. soooo happy.

[Rhambuk]

bad choice of words on my part, sorry Rhambuk.
did not mean to imply anything about your situation. just wanted to counter some of the anti-pitt discussion.

edit: and yeah Swish! I laughed so hard when the cat was doing that IRL, haha. soooo happy.

no offense taken, not even considered.

need more positive pitt posts

[joppykid]

sorry but that
reminds me of this


We get it, there are dog attacks on video, many people have already posted them in this thread. Thanks for sharing that awful shit.

[Samoht]

my terrifying cat-loving pitt mix

What a traitor!

[Rhambuk]

We get it, there are dog attacks on video, many people have already posted them in this thread. Thanks for sharing that awful shit.

yeah for the people that feel the need to "inform" me of how vicious pitt bulls can be, you can stop NO ONE wants to see that shit its sadistic.

I watched plenty before I adopted her...

[Black Jesus]

people, its real simple. dogs are like kids. you need to beat the fuck out of them or they'll grow up to be little shits

[Swish]

dogs are like kids. you need to beat the fuck out of them or they'll grow up to be little shits

Some "attitude" dogs need to be told/reminded who's in charge, but beating the fuck out of them only makes them more troubled. Best way to take (some of) their violent nature away is to show them a lot of love, play games with them throwing a ball/stick/etc and socialise them with cats from a young age.

Hard in Rhambuk's case as he hasn't had her from a puppy. Personally, I prefer more placcid dogs that don't have that violent streak so much. Labradors, golden retrievers, etc.

[Rhambuk]

Some "attitude" dogs need to be told/reminded who's in charge, but beating the fuck out of them only makes them more troubled. Best way to take (some of) their violent nature away is to show them a lot of love, play games with them throwing a ball/stick/etc and socialise them with cats from a young age.

Hard in Rhambuk's case as he hasn't had her from a puppy. Personally, I prefer more placcid dogs that don't have that violent streak so much. Labradors, golden retrievers, etc.

growing up we had labs, a basset hound, my huskey after highschool. and though I loved those dogs theres something about a rescue dog that i dunno i just feel they have more personality...

anyway after my first adoption i dont think i could get a pup knowing that just down the street a dog is being put down because its sat in the pound for to long ( almost happened to snooki).

[India]

Snooki!! hahahah awesome!!

[Lootmule]

This tragedy could have been averted if Michael Vick would stop trying to post 500 times per day and actually take his dog outside and see daylight at least once a month.

Unplug!

Woof woof

[Rhambuk]

lol its because shes so trife!

didn't even need to think of a name, we were hardcore jersey shore back then, when she came home she was all over everyone licking faces cuddling. she just needs a big puff on her head!

[Rhambuk]

On a behavioral note, during one of our walks a bird flew from a bush. She leaped then ran for maybe 10 feet, stopped dead and snapped her head back at me, sat froze until i responded.

I think she at least knows she did something wrong and is watching her ass..

[Hawala]

Honestly, you sound like you have a screw loose.

No wonder the dog turned all murderous on a cat, it picked up your behaviors.

[Swish]

Snooki!! hahahah awesome!!

Love the name :)

[Mandalore93]

With the larger breeds you have to instill a good bit of fear and respect in them when they're little. My family raises German Shepherds, and not the puny American variety. I'm talking the actual German lines where they can reach upwards of 110-120 pounds and still be considered "normal" weight. It doesn't matter how strong of a guy you are, if that dog wants to get loose from you, it will get loose. That being said, you have to follow through literally 100% of the time on everything ever. My current dog is a 85 lb American-German Shepherd and I can control her using finger clicks...if she knows she's been bad and I give her a look and stand up, it's instant submissive tuck tail and roll over. Now I'm not saying to abuse your dog, but you can't be afraid to put her/him on their back every once in a while. Surprisingly that Caesar Milan "psst" shit actually works really well too. However the biggest advantage that Cesar has over most pet owners is that he has a group to socialize the dogs he works with into.

TL:DR Isolation creates bad dogs. Being a softie creates bad dogs. Socialize your dog with other people and other animals. And of course all dog breeds need plenty of excercise.

[Rhambuk]

I just wish I could have been there. I really believe she didn't do it.

I was at a friends house the other day and a stray wandered into their yard. My dog and the cat locked eyes for about 1-2 minutes then the cat took a step forward. My dog JUMPED and ran behind me shaking..scared to death...

whether it was the cat or how she thought Id react to her interacting with the cat I don't know. She wouldn't let that cat anywhere near her without back up and cowering behind me. I'm sure there are 100 reasons a dog would do this and everyones got their own opinion, but for now her being scared of cats is fine by me =p

[Mandalore93]

Fear is actually a negative reaction, in dogs the transition from fear to aggression is a very short hop. Basically a fight or flight response gets triggered, and very few breeds of large dogs will flee from something that is smaller than them. I would definitely find a friend with a few cats and an open mind who will let you bring your dog over to their house to socialize him with kitties.

[Misto]

All pittbulls should be shot.

Just sayin'.

[Knuckle]

They're illegal in the UK and for a good reason, its like there's some sort of "switch" in them that suddenly turns them bad. Loads of stories in the 1980s here of pitbulls attacking kids and stuff, you don't have any small children around do you?

The city I'm currently in has a ton of macho dogs which aren't kept for any other reason than trying to make the owner look hard/intimidating. I hope she calms down but I think you're right, once she's done it once she might have developed a taste...definitely a job for a dog obedience expert, or at the very least a look on YouTube to see if you can do it yourself :(

you dumb? any dog can kill an animal in the right circumstances. attacking a kid is normal if a dog is abused or trained to kill. like you said, people that get a dog to look 'hard' are the kind of people that dont give a fuck about compassion and their pet. so they buy a breed that looks 'tough' then mistreat it. doesn't make it the breeds fault.

[Knuckle]

With the larger breeds you have to instill a good bit of fear and respect in them when they're little. My family raises German Shepherds, and not the puny American variety. I'm talking the actual German lines where they can reach upwards of 110-120 pounds and still be considered "normal" weight. It doesn't matter how strong of a guy you are, if that dog wants to get loose from you, it will get loose. That being said, you have to follow through literally 100% of the time on everything ever. My current dog is a 85 lb American-German Shepherd and I can control her using finger clicks...if she knows she's been bad and I give her a look and stand up, it's instant submissive tuck tail and roll over. Now I'm not saying to abuse your dog, but you can't be afraid to put her/him on their back every once in a while. Surprisingly that Caesar Milan "psst" shit actually works really well too. However the biggest advantage that Cesar has over most pet owners is that he has a group to socialize the dogs he works with into.

TL:DR Isolation creates bad dogs. Being a softie creates bad dogs. Socialize your dog with other people and other animals. And of course all dog breeds need plenty of excercise.

I didn't realize German sheperds were that large, ive grown up around various american breeds gonna do some pic browsing.

[Mandalore93]

Slight exaggeration on my part, the biggest shepherd I've had was about 110 pounds while still being within limits, but anytime shepherds start to cross 100 pounds the pressure combined with genetic disposition to hip dysplasia creates a bad situation. If I had to do that dog over again, I would definitely drop her to 100 lbs, although she would have been pretty skinny at that point.

Plus you gotta remember that GSDs are a relatively new breed (1890s off the top of my head) and there are probably quite a few lines with various other dog breeds mixed in that are still considered pure breed shepherds. Personally, unless I were going to sell the dog I would try to get a mixed breed shepherd or the American variety simply because their hips are much healthier than the german lines simply because of the inbreeding issues that occurred at the genesis. I think the Czechs grow the biggest GSDs, getting them to about 115-120 like I said, but personally I wouldn't want them that big.