Why is 2 boxing against the rules but PLing is allowed?

[Famous]

I am pretty new to this server, and have started a couple characters recently. I really like the fact that there is no 2 boxing allowed here, and agree completely with the idea that it has a negative impact on the community. One thing that has been really bothering me is the way that PLers conduct themselves in newbie zones. Where i get confused is when i see PLers take entire newbie zones to level up their paying customers. I really have a hard time understanding how this type of activity doesn't have the exact same negative implications on the servers community and player base as 2 boxing would.

A level 60 druid pulling the entire zone for their customer or friend has a far more significant impact than a boxed duo ever could in these zones. The only difference is that there are two people playing when PLing is going on, meanwhile an entire group or more of newbies is left with nothing to kill and a really bad taste in their mouths about this servers community.

[Bubbles]

The big issue for power leveling is that there is one thing all PLers desire: Zones with nice fat ZEMs, and tons of mid level mobs with as few healer mobs as possible.

1. ) Unrest
2. ) Mistmoore
3. ) Kurns

3 zones, and the same features that attracts them to legit mid level groups looking for xp.... attracts power levelers. Big ZEMs, tons of mobs, and few to no healing mobs.

Nothing will ever change it. It's been a giant pain in the tail for over 2 years. The reason people leave Runnyeye and Splitpaw and Permafrost alone and flock to the other 3 to either level legit or powerlevel is what i stated above.

It doesn't really have anything to do with 2boxing, though. 2 boxing is against the rules because the powers at be don't want it. And with the relatively healthy server population the server doesn't terribly *need* it. Yeah it's more convenient in off peak hours to two-box instead of trying to form a group, but there is another 20 servers on the emu list you scroll past that *allow* it you can easily pick from. You want classic eq? Gotta play by the rules at hand.

And I say that having played on an older EMU that used to be classic/kunark and allowed 3-boxing. it had a horrendously low population, but only needing 2-3 people to bang out a group of 6 and take down guk or sol b or city of mist or karnors, etc was quite fun. But i never met the sheer amount of cool people over there than i did over here on p99 where i was pretty much forced into duoing and grouping. It all works out in the end. :)

[Vidar]

I agree, but it is just one of those double standards. I'd rather have one be outlawed than both be legal. Its the min maxers that are ruining this server. What are you gonna do?

[orsk]

I am pretty new to this server, and have started a couple characters recently. I really like the fact that there is no 2 boxing allowed here, and agree completely with the idea that it has a negative impact on the community. One thing that has been really bothering me is the way that PLers conduct themselves in newbie zones. Where i get confused is when i see PLers take entire newbie zones to level up their paying customers. I really have a hard time understanding how this type of activity doesn't have the exact same negative implications on the servers community and player base as 2 boxing would.

A level 60 druid pulling the entire zone for their customer or friend has a far more significant impact than a boxed duo ever could in these zones. The only difference is that there are two people playing when PLing is going on, meanwhile an entire group or more of newbies is left with nothing to kill and a really bad taste in their mouths about this servers community.

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[Chokan]

The classic experience was like this also, except boxing was allowed. Count your blessings.

[Brocode]

PLers have alot of options, so does newbies. But all should choose the best ratio between time and xp, and not ZEMs aka Bonus xp zone which means shit if you get no mobs to kill. Your best bet for best ratio is constant have mobs, and not ZEM, as a ZEM zone is always crowded.


ps: overcamp a zone by the same person is against rules, you may petiton it.

[Famous]

ps: overcamp a zone by the same person is against rules, you may petiton it.

This I had not heard befor. So when someone is pulling an entire zone to PL a GM will step in and make them stop if petitioned?

[Brocode]

This I had not heard befor. So when someone is pulling an entire zone to PL a GM will step in and make them stop if petitioned?

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2653



people usually sleep and people cant claim THE ZONE.

[Shivilian]

I am new here, but according to this (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2653) post about camp rules, once you have a group ready to make a presence for a particular camp, you can claim or work out with the PL'er which camp to take. I've also seen plenty of posts in the rules about "don't be a douche" too so in effect, yes you could petition a GM if they do not work with your group.

Edit: It is probably a good idea to have proof via video and screen shots if you want to petition a GM. Considering these guys are doing this out of the goodness of their hearts (god bless them) it'll be smart to be as thorough as possible to avoid the wastage of time.

[Sarius]

There are just certain classic aspects that you cannot help. In a dungeon that has very few set camps it would be difficult to oust a power leveling group. Outdoor zones have the same problem with bards swarm kiting. My suggestion would be to play off the beaten path in the less popular zones. Maybe you'll find it a more rewarding and classic experience.

[orsk]

Ignore the rules do whatever you want if you get a 3 day ban don't do that thing, rinse repeat.

[boudicca]

It seemed not that uncommon for a PLer to try to grab as many mobs in Crushbone, and drag them to the zone. Not just one section of the zone either. Aggro was tenuously held, and didn't make for others being able to hunt there.

PLing is a scourge.

[Gadwen]

It seemed not that uncommon for a PLer to try to grab as many mobs in Crushbone, and drag them to the zone. Not just one section of the zone either. Aggro was tenuously held, and didn't make for others being able to hunt there.

PLing is a scourge.

I have watched PLers wipe countless newbies in CB with their idiotic pulling and inability to understand the well know pathing bugs there.

OP has a point though, there are a lot of anti-social PLers that just don't give a shit who they screw over to get that 2k for the hour. I think that kind of PLing should be against the rules.

[webrunner5]

I gave up Pling 6 months ago or more. Too many people playing now which is a good thing. But I think one reason the Devs have not "Banned" it is that just normal Bards are pretty much doing the same thing leveling on their own. Pulling half the zone or more. So you either ban Bard Kiting or Pling. Seems a lot along the same lines. :p

[Sarius]

Not ban bard kiting, but ban swarm kiting. The problem is that the nerf to swarm kiting did not come until post-velious

[Thulack]

Not ban bard kiting, but ban swarm kiting. The problem is that the nerf to swarm kiting did not come until post-velious

So many bards got mad when they couldnt swarm kite maiden's eye anymore lol.

[applesauce25r624]

Somebody in south karana, overthere, burning woods: Camp check, plz

Some pimped-out hoe-stranglin' pimp ass bard: The zone

[Rooj]

I watched a Bard in Unrest a few days ago pull as many mobs as he could to PL someone, and in the process wiped 2 full groups leveling there. Ridiculous.

[Sarius]

So the solution is clearly to step off the beaten path. How often is power leveling happening in HH pass, WK and Lake Rathe? How many bards do you see swarm kiting In Beholder's or EJ? Step out of the box and explore, you'll never know what you may find!

[whteshark]

1. ) Unrest
2. ) Mistmoore
3. ) Kurns
>>>>Not highest zems

Kedge
HHK
Unrest
of course the top two are for legit Powerlevelers necros/monk/clkeric duo PL'n
druid for unrest of course

[Vondra]

I'm not a huge fan of PLing, however when I've been on an alt and a PLer comes through, anytime I've asked them to leave our camp alone and the nearby hallways etc, they have.

[blakedubois]

Seems pretty funny that people simply just "playing the game" the way it's meant to be played are a minority. All these PLers and minmaxers and regulating 2-boxing and little exploits...it's exhausting.

[Shivilian]

Seems pretty funny that people simply just "playing the game" the way it's meant to be played are a minority. All these PLers and minmaxers and regulating 2-boxing and little exploits...it's exhausting.

Heh, the min-max / PL / Dual-box crowed is so ingrained from the live servers that, to me, putting up with those people feels like just part of the game. Like I cannot experience the old EQ without them.

[Pringles]

Id be up for a hard and fast rule on 2 accounts per IP - but i know that opens the flood gates. On live I had no issues with two boxers, i just hated someone that was playing 3+ toons, because 99% of them sucked at it and the rest of us carried them in exp groups.

[boudicca]

So the solution is clearly to step off the beaten path. How often is power leveling happening in HH pass, WK and Lake Rathe? How many bards do you see swarm kiting In Beholder's or EJ? Step out of the box and explore, you'll never know what you may find!

To clarify, you want the swarm kiters to explore, or for others to go away and let the swarmers have the bonus ZEM areas to themselves?

[Woahnelly]

There are other zones with zem than shitty unrest and mistmore. Let the PL crowd have their trash zones while you play the unpopular zones. Is it conceding and losing if you have a fun time exploring?

[Vadd]

Not all PL sessions involve KSing entire zones.

Ban PL, next comes banning twinks.

OBAMA!

[Brocode]

we are just chatting

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(haha i like that cat image)

[Gaffin Deeppockets]

Deal with it. Shits classic.

[alaiwy0503]

People get so butt hurt about PL'ing. "Go somewhere else other than the zone i'm in". But if I offered to PL them they would accept it in an INSTANT. Now, I don't take other groups mobs at their claimed camp. If i have upstairs in unrest camped i pull upstairs. If all the upstairs mobs are down a group is in main room i leave the first floor mobs up. But i'll go check basement. If MR yells b/c i'm taking basement mobs I literally couldn't care less. If i have FR and you have MR and nobody has basement then basement is fair game for whoever can handle the mobs.

People just get so butt hurt b/c they aren't the recipients. Get over it. If the logic of "go to less popular zones to PL you swine" is applied to PL'ing the same thing can be applied to the non-pl'ers. First come first served. Deal with it.

[skeletoria]

Deal with it. Shits classic.

[Ezrick]

The classic experience was like this also, except boxing was allowed. Count your blessings.

The difference being that mutli-boxing required multiple PAID accounts and, at the time of release, a separate computer for each account. That in itself limited the practice significantly.

So the artificial "no multi-boxing" rule is much more "classic" than people make it seem.

[Uggme]

People get so butt hurt about PL'ing. "Go somewhere else other than the zone i'm in". But if I offered to PL them they would accept it in an INSTANT. Now, I don't take other groups mobs at their claimed camp. If i have upstairs in unrest camped i pull upstairs. If all the upstairs mobs are down a group is in main room i leave the first floor mobs up. But i'll go check basement. If MR yells b/c i'm taking basement mobs I literally couldn't care less. If i have FR and you have MR and nobody has basement then basement is fair game for whoever can handle the mobs.

People just get so butt hurt b/c they aren't the recipients. Get over it. If the logic of "go to less popular zones to PL you swine" is applied to PL'ing the same thing can be applied to the non-pl'ers. First come first served. Deal with it.

Butthurt because they aren't recipiants? what a childish statement. It's easy to see how your own actions are both greedy and have the ability to impact other honest groupers in the zone from getting experience. One might even to able to conclude that you, good sir, are the one who needs to get over it. Or more importantly, get over Yourself.

[Gadwen]

People get so butt hurt about PL'ing. "Go somewhere else other than the zone i'm in". But if I offered to PL them they would accept it in an INSTANT. Now, I don't take other groups mobs at their claimed camp. If i have upstairs in unrest camped i pull upstairs. If all the upstairs mobs are down a group is in main room i leave the first floor mobs up. But i'll go check basement. If MR yells b/c i'm taking basement mobs I literally couldn't care less. If i have FR and you have MR and nobody has basement then basement is fair game for whoever can handle the mobs.

People just get so butt hurt b/c they aren't the recipients. Get over it. If the logic of "go to less popular zones to PL you swine" is applied to PL'ing the same thing can be applied to the non-pl'ers. First come first served. Deal with it.

Yeah that is definitely it, people are just jealous of your AMAZING EQ life and your PL abilities.

Or maybe they just get irritated when douche bags shit all over the game they enjoy.

[alaiwy0503]

haha, yep. people like you. if you're going to tell me that somebody wouldn't take a free PL session if it were there in a heart beat you're crazy. What if being called a douche bag takes a shit all over the game the way i enjoy it? i mean for fucks sake. if you walked into a restaurant and i had a table b/c i got there before you would you start screaming about what type of douche bag i was? grow up. if i get to a camp and claim it BEFORE you're there then you're just being childish when you yell about how dumb/gay/douchy pl'ers are

[Gadwen]

haha, yep. people like you. if you're going to tell me that somebody wouldn't take a free PL session if it were there in a heart beat you're crazy. What if being called a douche bag takes a shit all over the game the way i enjoy it? i mean for fucks sake. if you walked into a restaurant and i had a table b/c i got there before you would you start screaming about what type of douche bag i was? grow up. if i get to a camp and claim it BEFORE you're there then you're just being childish when you yell about how dumb/gay/douchy pl'ers are

Well if you are being respectful and just using a single camp then this thread wasn't about you.

I'm pretty sure the thread was about taking entire zones to PL people when there are real groups there trying to EXP. Now if you want to attempt to dismiss the fact that it IS a real douche bag thing to do by just declaring that everyone who doesn't like it is just jealous (which is utter bullshit) go right ahead. A child wouldn't be able to understand that this behavior is disruptive and will cause people to be upset with you. So who was it that was being childish again?

[alaiwy0503]

well clearly if i came into unrest and started pulling 1st floor while a group is in MR that is douchy. but i can assure you (from being on the PL'er side of things a lot as i PL my RL friends (never do it for pp)) that even if you just hold one camp like upstairs in unrest etc. people will still bitch and moan to no end and blame you for trains even though you're in wolf form and literally cannot train them.

like anything, there are douches and then there are the rest of the people. but generally i find that this server is overly angry about PLing. To me its all about first come first serve.

and tbh you're correct, this thread isn't really about me b/c i don't take mobs from the areas that people have camped. but i'm VERY tired of being told to get out of unrest etc as soon as a group is ready to take the mobs that i have been camping for hours before they got there.

[Uggme]

haha, yep. people like you. if you're going to tell me that somebody wouldn't take a free PL session if it were there in a heart beat you're crazy. What if being called a douche bag takes a shit all over the game the way i enjoy it? i mean for fucks sake. if you walked into a restaurant and i had a table b/c i got there before you would you start screaming about what type of douche bag i was? grow up. if i get to a camp and claim it BEFORE you're there then you're just being childish when you yell about how dumb/gay/douchy pl'ers are

Last I looked this thread wasn't about claiming camps. It's about PLing other people to the detriment of others in a zone. You did state that you allow those who are already in a spot to keep their camp and leave them be for the most part (which is admirable), However beyond that you basically said that you don't care.

Simply because you CAN pull an entire zone (or most of it) doesn't mean you necessarily should. If you're alone with just your Plee? Then go for it. If others enter a zone and claim a small corner for their own to get some exp, would it really be so hard to accomodate them? I'll answer this one for you: Yes... at least to you. You're greedy, and wish to please your paying customer by taking as many mobs as possible to PL them as fast as possible. This is where the idiocy of it all comes in to play.

Wheather or not someone would take a free PL is totally irrelevant. The real matter at hand is you're taking plat to speed someone through leveling faster than they should be. Additionally, you're impacting other well meaning players.