What is Anarchy?

[Hasbinbad]

Tl;dr: Chomsky sticks it to the man, maaaan!

Some people have asked this question in general and I have shied from it. They ask it of me and I give my best answer at the time. It's generally not ever the same. I haven't ever heard someone describe anarchy to me properly, but it is a feeling that I've always had, and one I've always felt righteous about. I've always had sort of "my own idea" about it, and queerly, that seems to be the view of nearly everyone within these circles as well. Life imitating art? And though our individual definitions may differ, we always seem to know that we are righteous or not, simply by virtue of how we discuss things, the very standpoint from which we approach any given issue. I am strongly opposed to the idea of the kind of anarchy proposed by its detractors, the lawless, agreementless, disintegrative, mad-max-esque, might-makes-right cartoon version of anarchy. But I haven't seen the feeling that I and seemingly many others have felt, put to words, until now. I should say I have seen and felt these things, but never so succinctly - usually the definition is most strongly known when you're done reading a book or experiencing "people power." Here for the first time known to me is anarchy defined not as a system but a collection of behaviors and thought patterns. Like, it totally blew my mind. Enjoy.

Anarchism is, in my view, basically a kind of tendency in human thought which shows up in different forms in different circumstances, and has some leading characteristics. Primarily it is a tendency that is suspicious and skeptical of domination, authority, and hierarchy. It seeks structures of hierarchy and domination in human life over the whole range, extending from, say, patriarchal families to, say, imperial systems, and it asks whether those systems are justified. It assumes that the burden of proof for anyone in a position of power and authority lies on them. Their authority is not self-justifying. They have to give a reason for it, a justification. And if they can’t justify that authority and power and control, which is the usual case, then the authority ought to be dismantled and replaced by something more free and just. And, as I understand it, anarchy is just that tendency. It takes different forms at different times.

This quote is excerpted from an interview first published 4/14/13: http://www.modernsuccess.org/noam-chomsky-everyday-anarchist-the-modern-success-interview/

His critique on modern libertarianism in the same interview is also very useful but outside the scope of the OP. I just wanted to share this here since there is very legitimate debate about what exactly anarchy is, even within anti-statist circles, much less the larger world.

[Hitchens]

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[Hasbinbad]

Green Jello confirmed best band ever.

[Ephirith]

Interesting read, and I like the vast majority of what he has to say. I feel a lot differently about anarchy now, I think. I still believe what he's after is an inferior system. Every system is a trade-off, and I think he overstates the benefits of personal freedom, and understates the benefits of authority, and the ease with which it can be justified.

And in it he described, correctly, the goal of the industry. He said our goal is to insure that the “intelligent minority” — and of course anyone who writes about these things is part of that intelligent minority by definition, by stipulation, so we, the intelligent minority, are the only people capable of running things, and there’s that great population out there, the “unwashed masses,” who, if they’re left alone will just get into trouble: so we have to, as he put it, “engineer their consent,” figure out ways to insure they consent to our rule and domination. And that’s the goal of the PR industry. And it works in many ways.

I've been just as guilty of this as your standard issue libertarian randroids, but I don't see how even an idealistic, highly organized anarcho-syndicate is a better way to handle the legions of ignorant rednecks, of which Chomsky does not deny the existence.

And if they can’t justify that authority and power and control, which is the usual case, then the authority ought to be dismantled and replaced by something more free and just.

This is the only part of the entire thing that I think is just very weak, every clause of it-- it's logically irresponsible. I don't think more freedom is always preferable to authority, even illegitimate authority, just for the sake of itself. It speaks to a world Chomsky believes in very strongly, but also one he's very immersed in and possibly maybe a little honeymoon about.

I think it's funny how many people hate Noam Chomsky because of the way he criticizes their crooked fucking ways, particularly Israel, American Evangelicals, and just people with a high net worth and any degree of power in general.

You can find things in the traditional religions
which are very benign and decent and wonderful and so on, but I mean,
the Bible is probably the most genocidal book in the literary canon.

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[Daldolma]

chomsky is the harrison of intellectuals. linguistics is his pastrami

[quido]

http://www.msu.edu/~oconne53/fascinating.jpg

[Hasbinbad]

Chomsky has relevancy, but it is extremely limited and his fans tend to extend it far beyond where it should be.
That's funny because if you google "most important intellectual alive," google would like to disagree with you.

[blameFALCON]

think the way i think or ill kill u

[Hasbinbad]

You're not obligated to agree with anything, I simply stated the disagreement between you the individual person and the larger community of people who give a shit.

[dhoushi]

During my coursework I came across an explanation that I thought summed it up rather nicely. Anarchists consider the government nothing more then an illusion created by powerful people, and therefore illegitimate. Rights are not real, and can be taken away at any point by the government, and laws are only applicable to those who are unconnected to the powerful people. This implies anarchy is the real system in place, and Anarchists only which to lift the veil from those unaware of it.

[Hasbinbad]

I think that agreements about how people should govern themselves are important, and I also think it is important to reflect the will of the community vs the will of the individual in disputes.

[Arteker]

I think that agreements about how people should govern themselves are important, and I also think it is important to reflect the will of the community vs the will of the individual in disputes.

you realy think most people is actualy capable of govern themselves hasbin?

[Nihilist_santa]

During my coursework I came across an explanation that I thought summed it up rather nicely. Anarchists consider the government nothing more then an illusion created by powerful people, and therefore illegitimate. Rights are not real, and can be taken away at any point by the government, and laws are only applicable to those who are unconnected to the powerful people. This implies anarchy is the real system in place, and Anarchists only which to lift the veil from those unaware of it.

This is pretty close to the mark however Chomsky fails to realize that systems and people gravitate towards centralization. These same people create hierarchies and false divisions out of some kind of necessity. Anarchist ideas only work on the small scale because they are modeled after tribal interactions but will totally fail in the grander scheme. The same pipe dream this guy has been pushing for years.

[Arteker]

This is pretty close to the mark however Chomsky fails to realize that systems and people gravitate towards centralization. These same people create hierarchies and false divisions out of some kind of necessity. Anarchist ideas only work on the small scale because they are modeled after tribal interactions but will totally fail in the grander scheme. The same pipe dream this guy has been pushing for years.

a excellent answer

[Razdeline]

Well after reading I am grateful that philosophy still has a place in the world.

[Hasbinbad]

you realy think most people is actualy capable of govern themselves hasbin?
I think that in a society where you're more directly responsible for your life, that it would be more possible to do with less governing bodies.. Probably approaching, but never actually reaching a state of no government.

[Hasbinbad]

And by life, I mainly mean the value of your labor.

[Nihilist_santa]

I think that in a society where you're more directly responsible for your life, that it would be more possible to do with less governing bodies.. Probably approaching, but never actually reaching a state of no government.

You are directly responsible for your life now. When you work you enter into an agreement with an employer about how much your labor is worth. Dont like it? Quit. What happens in a system with little oversight when a group of people decide they want what you have? You have to manage a defense for your property( please lets not discuss abolishing personal property) and in doing so you are establishing a system like government. This is how society was started people went from hunter-gatherer to cultivation and when they managed to amass a surplus someone had to make sure that it was protected. This is where your government comes from.

Utopian ideas always seem to require the system being in place first which is why they wont work. You cant remove the old system in its entirety and people will have their own wills,desires, and beliefs which can compromise any system. You might as well say "if everyone got along the world would be a better place." Human nature is the problem and you are not going to change that nature by simply placing humans in a new environment.

Our own system has been turned from a constitutional democratic republic to this myth of a democracy which always precedes a tyranny according to Plato. The republic as envisioned is very decentralized and would be much closer to the type of anarchy Chompsky is advocating minus the socialist economic ideas.

[Hasbinbad]

You're pretending lobbyists don't exist.

Hello Kitty Island Adventure is this way: ->

[Nihilist_santa]

Nah I know they exist but the US government changed the way which we get the amount of representatives we have so that there are fewer reps which is good for the lobbyist because that's fewer people to buy off.

You are pretending that lobbying only exist because it is legal.

[Nihilist_santa]

People are being conditioned to believe this system is what is wrong so that we will willingly dismantle it. Once that happens who knows what corrupt system will fill the power vacuum

[Arteker]

uthopia Hasbin, but when it face the real world with real person all is a bullshit.

anarchy and what noa preach is just a a attmp to bring a 19 century ideology wich never worked, look at what happened in spain where it was very popular, death and misery.


we should stop looking back and trying to get answer to old shit and focus in present and future, no in a piece of history wich never worked.


without one of them my 11 years grandfather would have killed by the sole crime of his name. but that is other history with nothing to do with this little forum.

[Samoht]

look at what happened in spain

modern day kingdom of espana is still a very decentralized republic of loosely allied states, many of which have 100% autonomy.

would love to have that in the US.

[Hasbinbad]

look at what happened in spain where it was very popular, death and misery.
And in the next breath:
we should stop looking back and trying to get answer to old shit and focus in present and future, no in a piece of history wich never worked.
Brilliant.

[Hasbinbad]

Also it should be noted that I have not espoused any position so far in this thread.

[Hasbinbad]

Oh, except that Noam Chomsky is smart as fuck. That I stand behind.

[Daldolma]

Oh, except that Noam Chomsky is an impotent and masturbatory intellectual approaching senility. That I stand behind.

[Hasbinbad]

impotent i don't think i would disagree with, at least in the world as it stands..

masturbatory intellectual probably has a basis in a true reflection of your impression of what he chooses to talk about. he repeats what he has said before a LOT.

approaching senility is without a doubt, the man is ancient. but I saw him speak live at the paramount in oakland a couple weeks ago and the man appeared to me (somewhat trained in spotting demetia, alzheimers, etc.) to be sharp as a fucking tack. he worked the room like a true professional, didn't miss a beat, got rid of the people telling him he was over time with an equal measure of contempt and grace, and kept an entire auditorium rapt for 2 hours.

none of what you say in your passive aggressive quote of me in any way speaks to any real critique of the work the man has done, nor even a basic understanding of it.

[Hasbinbad]

But I'm sure you thought you were being very clever when you did that, so I'll give credit where credit is due. Daldoma, it appears you worked very hard to craft a sick burn and I appreciate your attempt to enjoin us to believe your point of view. :)

[Hasbinbad]

dementia too

[Nihilist_santa]

impotent i don't think i would disagree with, at least in the world as it stands..

masturbatory intellectual probably has a basis in a true reflection of your impression of what he chooses to talk about. he repeats what he has said before a LOT.

approaching senility is without a doubt, the man is ancient. but I saw him speak live at the paramount in oakland a couple weeks ago and the man appeared to me (somewhat trained in spotting demetia, alzheimers, etc.) to be sharp as a fucking tack. he worked the room like a true professional, didn't miss a beat, got rid of the people telling him he was over time with an equal measure of contempt and grace, and kept an entire auditorium rapt for 2 hours.

none of what you say in your passive aggressive quote of me in any way speaks to any real critique of the work the man has done, nor even a basic understanding of it.

What works? He writes and lectures and pacifies the left like a good gatekeeper. I mean the only salient points the guy makes are in reference to wars and it doesn't take a genius to take the position he does. He fills peoples heads with an unattainable idea.

[Hasbinbad]

dude, I'm not going to engage meaningless platitudes.

[Nihilist_santa]

You just did. How is that word of the day calender working out for you? :P

You mention his "works" but make no reference to what these are. This is what happens when people get their ideas from hack bands like Rage Against the Machine.

[Hasbinbad]

meaningful yet general critique: noam chomsky may slip into rhetoric when describing the united states and minimize the role of totalitarianism in soviet communism when describing the cold war.

meaningless platitude: chomsky has invalid positions

[Hasbinbad]

the work the man has done
First of all, I didn't say "his works," as in a list of literature, although he has quite an extensive bibliography: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Chomsky_bibliography

I said "the work the man has done," and by that I mean: all of his literary works; the immense amount of research he has done to acquire the background necessary to even think about things on his level, much less write those thoughts down in a manner that is somehow barely cohesive to the lay person; the debates he has participated in and speeches he has given; the self-examination it required to take his positions on Israel; the hundreds and thousands of newspapers, journals, and magazines he has digested; the courses he has taught; the departments he has chaired..

The list goes the fuck on. That dude accomplished more in any given month of his life than any ten people accomplish in their lifetime. How dare you question the work of Noam Chomsky? Disagree with him if you feel that is necessary, but do so specifically, and only after critical thinking. Only a great fool would speak with disdain about such a person.

And you accuse me of the shallow critique? LAUGHING MY FUCKING ASS OFF BRO

[Nihilist_santa]

I guess you don't bother to put into context the rest of my statements throughout the thread? The invalidation of anarchist ideas due to the inevitable tendency for systems to become centralized over time before breaking up again. A kind of move from disorder to order.

Tribes arrange themselves in various orders and create social hierarchies so even on the small scale where it works (but only in isolation) it is still never a true anarchist system.

You could not have an anarchist system (god the contradictions in that term) unless it encompassed everything. You think an anarchist country for lack of a better term would be able to maintain that system with outside pressures from trade or foreign military? It is a pipe dream because it requires everyone to buy into it.

[Ephirith]

What works? He writes and lectures and pacifies the left like a good gatekeeper. I mean the only salient points the guy makes are in reference to wars and it doesn't take a genius to take the position he does. He fills peoples heads with an unattainable idea.

this is stupid

First of all, I didn't say "his works," as in a list of literature, although he has quite an extensive bibliography: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Chomsky_bibliography

I said "the work the man has done," and by that I mean: all of his literary works; the immense amount of research he has done to acquire the background necessary to even think about things on his level, much less write those thoughts down in a manner that is somehow barely cohesive to the lay person; the debates he has participated in and speeches he has given; the self-examination it required to take his positions on Israel; the hundreds and thousands of newspapers, journals, and magazines he has digested; the courses he has taught; the departments he has chaired..

The list goes the fuck on. That dude accomplished more in any given month of his life than any ten people accomplish in their lifetime. How dare you question the work of Noam Chomsky? Disagree with him if you feel that is necessary, but do so specifically, and only after critical thinking. Only a great fool would speak with disdain about such a person.

And you accuse me of the shallow critique? LAUGHING MY FUCKING ASS OFF BRO

this is correct

[Nihilist_santa]

AS a linguist the guy knows his shit. As a political critic he offers no true solution and garners his support from burnouts.

[Hasbinbad]

I guess you don't bother to put into context the rest of my statements throughout the thread? The invalidation of anarchist ideas due to the inevitable tendency for systems to become centralized over time before breaking up again. A kind of move from disorder to order.
It's hard to take you seriously. I'll just take this paragraph for example, because the other two are built upon this kind of thinking and I don't have a lot more time.
I guess you don't bother to put into context the rest of my statements throughout the thread?
I don't know what you mean by this at all. I've address what you've said. I cannot guess at some implied context.
The invalidation of anarchist ideas
This never happened. Nobody has ever invalidated "anarchist ideas." If you ever invalidate "anarchist ideas," go pick up your prizes and honorary doctorates to the most prestigious of universities.

But to be more specific to YOUR point:
due to the inevitable tendency for systems
bolded: citation needed. this is a meaningless platitude without some kind of further explanation.
systems to become centralized over time before breaking up again. A kind of move from disorder to order.
bolded: citation needed. this is a meaningless platitude without some kind of further explanation.

You can't just say things and expect people to take you seriously.

Electron spin is controlled by alpha waves emitted by our brains.

See?

[Nihilist_santa]

It's hard to take you seriously. I'll just take this paragraph for example, because the other two are built upon this kind of thinking and I don't have a lot more time.

I don't know what you mean by this at all. I've address what you've said. I cannot guess at some implied context.

This never happened. Nobody has ever invalidated "anarchist ideas." If you ever invalidate "anarchist ideas," go pick up your prizes and honorary doctorates to the most prestigious of universities.

But to be more specific to YOUR point:

bolded: citation needed. this is a meaningless platitude without some kind of further explanation.

bolded: citation needed. this is a meaningless platitude without some kind of further explanation.

You can't just say things and expect people to take you seriously.

Electron spin is controlled by alpha waves emitted by our brains.

See?

You are the one masquerading as an intellectual here so perhaps you should study people like Plato before jumping into Anarchism which you obviously do not understand. Specifically you can delve into Plato's cycle of decline of regimes from the Republic. Should have been required reading for someone like you.

[K|mm Barely]

Anarchy is the current state of the world.

[Samoht]

Anarchy is the current state of the world.

current state of the world is fascism controlled by corporations.

about as far from anarchy as you can get.

unless you're referring to durkadurkastan. and who cares about durkadurkastan.

[Hasbinbad]

I agree that Plato was a smart dude. I have read The Republic. I do not agree that anything in life is inevitable, and I do not agree that Plato has a crystal ball. I do not think Plato would agree with what you are saying right now.

[Hasbinbad]

fascism controlled by corporations
Misuse of the word fascism dilutes the real horror of what fascism is.

[Hasbinbad]

Misuse of the word fascism dilutes the real horror of what fascism is.
No truce with the shadow on this one, I was guilty of it for a long time.

[Samoht]

innocent civilians blown up by drones.

children starving to death by the millions.

child soldiers raped int submission.

not horror at all.

[Tanthallas]

And by life, I mainly mean the value of your labor.

careful

[Hurley]

Arbeit macht frei

[Ephirith]

How comfy to be able to blame everything on schemes, conspirators, and authority, instead of the aggregate shortcomings of the electorate/citizenry in a system where personal and social responsibility are supposed to be the dictate the effectiveness of government.

[Samoht]

gerrymandering more than a conspiracy

it's a fact of life for those in office

[Tanthallas]

How comfy to be able to blame everything on schemes, conspirators, and authority, instead of the aggregate shortcomings of the electorate/citizenry in a system where personal and social responsibility are supposed to be the dictate the effectiveness of government.

Is it personal or social responsibility?

And what is personal responsibility? What is social responsibility? Do you think that you and Hasbin, for example, have the same definition of both?

I really wouldnt oversimplify things like this.

[Ephirith]

Is it personal or social responsibility?

And what is personal responsibility? What is social responsibility? Do you think that you and Hasbin, for example, have the same definition of both?

I really wouldnt oversimplify things like this.

Personal responsibility to be an educated and reasonable person, and a social responsibility to apply those principles to the political system and participate in making it better. Every nation has the government it deserves. The second you put your hands up and say "Well this is fucked, our government is failing us, all of us citizens are such good people but look at those fucks in Washington/Wall Street/Halliburton", you're doing representative democracy a disservice.

Criticisms of authority should always be grounded by an examination of the origins of that authority. For example, people blast the government for excessive spending and an inability to control debt. Meanwhile, excessive credit card debt, misguided loan debt, and just generally irresponsible spending are rampant among Americans. Why do we hold the government to a higher standard, when that kind of paternalism is completely antithetic to the enlightenment liberalism under which our political legacy originated. It's okay to criticize the failings of government, but outright blame bothers me.

[Nihilist_santa]

I agree that Plato was a smart dude. I have read The Republic. I do not agree that anything in life is inevitable, and I do not agree that Plato has a crystal ball. I do not think Plato would agree with what you are saying right now.

Well I agree he did not have a crystal ball. He had the observations from history of many empires that rose and fell. We can look back now in modern history and see his ideas are correct. Chomsky on the other hand has no such observations to pull from in regards to anarchism aside from tribal interactions. In 1,000 years Chomsky will be a footnote compared to Plato. My issue with Plato's ideas is that they are being exploited today and we are headed for a tyranny.

[K|mm Barely]

Think about it. We are in it kids.

[Samoht]

Meanwhile, excessive credit card debt, misguided loan debt, and just generally irresponsible spending are rampant among Americans.

you don't think the predatory lending has anything to do with the global corporate fascist agenda?

[Daldolma]

But I'm sure you thought you were being very clever when you did that, so I'll give credit where credit is due. Daldoma, it appears you worked very hard to craft a sick burn and I appreciate your attempt to enjoin us to believe your point of view. :)

thank you for noticing

srsly tho, chomsky is p much harrison. power is ill begotten, authority is mostly bunk, the elites are playing by different rules and rewriting them to fit their ends

solution: n/a, but let's spend 30 years talking about it

[Nihilist_santa]

you don't think the predatory lending has anything to do with the global corporate fascist agenda?

+1

You cant blame the citizens aside from the fact that they haven't revolted and thrown out the corrupt politicians for the debt based financial institutions created to ensure monopolies.

This is classic divide and conquer. Blame the people for being exploited haha.

[Ephirith]

you don't think the predatory lending has anything to do with the global corporate fascist agenda?

It takes two parties to create a predatory loan:

1. A predatory lender.

2. A greedy dipshit who is too irresponsible to handle their own finances.

There are and were lots of both.

[Samoht]

2. A greedy dipshit who is too irresponsible to handle their own finances.

greedy? or uneducated? or unfortunate?

[Ephirith]

The first two.

[Ephirith]

"Unfortunate" is absolving yourself of any responsibility or self-determination, which is decidedly undemocratic, don't you think?

[Samoht]

because you can control the events in your life. you will always have 100% health and at no point can you be laid off at the whim of your employer (or their stock holders).

[Ephirith]

When you have the freedom to control your own financial destiny, you're subject to everything that entails. Smart people are cautious, and allot the best they can for the unforeseen. And guess what? People with surprise medical conditions and surprise layoffs didn't account for even a small fraction of all the financial insolvency the last couple of years.

Too many people didn't save money, accumulated debt, and bought shit they didn't need and couldn't afford, then blamed the banks and government when they lost everything. Those people deserve paternal totalitarianism, and their behavior is very conducive to it. "I didn't make a mistake. The government was supposed to protect me!"

[Samoht]

all of the pre-approved credit card spam, all of the everybody gets a loan car dealerships, they're not designed to help out the people on the bottom. they're designed to trap people who cannot afford them into things they will eventually miss a payment on (or worse), and the second it happens, here comes the sharks.

but they should be more educated to know better? it's too bad that our education is ran by the same system that is profiteering from our bad loans.

our system is designed for the poor to stay poor and for the rich to get richer, and the people in our government are on board with it.

[Barkingturtle]

Maybe poor people should consider taking some action and bleaching their skin, then.

[Ephirith]

all of the pre-approved credit card spam, all of the everybody gets a loan car dealerships, they're not designed to help out the people on the bottom. they're designed to trap people who cannot afford them into things they will eventually miss a payment on (or worse), and the second it happens, here comes the sharks.

That's exactly how it works, and the "victims" of those things who blame anything but themselves are fucking stupid and, again, don't deserve financial self-determination.

but they should be more educated to know better? it's too bad that our education is ran by the same system that is profiteering from our bad loans.

Worked fine for me, my family, my friends, and almost everyone I met in college.

our system is designed for the poor to stay poor and for the rich to get richer, and the people in our government are on board with it.

This is true. All I'm saying is the fault is shared at least equally between the government, and the electorate.

Why are you so obsessed with blaming every possible thing but yourself?

[Barkingturtle]

That's an interesting take on the thread but I think any casual observer can tell at least one or two of the participants have taken an intro to philosophy course at one time or another. I mean, Plato has been invoked.

[Samoht]

Worked fine for me, my family, my friends, and almost everyone I met in college.

white, christian, republican, suburbia?

Why are you so obsessed with blaming every possible thing but yourself?

hm, pretty sure i'm not to blame for anything here.

but i'm able to understand the concept that shit happens.

and sometimes, shit can even be devastating.

[Tanthallas]

That's exactly how it works, and the "victims" of those things who blame anything but themselves are fucking stupid and, again, don't deserve financial self-determination.



Worked fine for me, my family, my friends, and almost everyone I met in college.



This is true. All I'm saying is the fault is shared at least equally between the government, and the electorate.

Why are you so obsessed with blaming every possible thing but yourself?

Just play a recording of any one of Ron Paul's idiotic speeches; will save us having to read what you write.

[Ephirith]

white, christian, republican, suburbia?

2/4, p good. I'll let you guess which ones. What does that have to do with anything? I guess so you can blame some more shit on circumstances instead of taking responsibility for your life?

hm, pretty sure i'm not to blame for anything here. but i'm able to understand the concept that shit happens. and sometimes, shit can even be devastating.

Look, I'm not saying shit doesn't happen, I just disagree with the ubiquitous tendency to blame authority, conspiracies, evil corporations, corruption, and the successful for everything bad that happens. I think if our culture were a lot more responsible, our government would be too, because I think our authority is a reflection of our culture (albeit one with low fidelity). Why is that so absurd? Why is our generation pathologically fucking incapable of anything but narcissism and entitlement?

Just play a recording of any one of Ron Paul's idiotic speeches; will save us having to read what you write.

Can't say I've ever had someone mistake me for a libertarian, that really hurts.

[Samoht]

entitlement is a buzzword thrown around by many libertarians (even though cases they try cite as entitlement normally aren't).

i don't really think preaching personal accountability (again, very libertarian) is appropriate in the anarchy thread that hbb created to argue with himself.

seems off-topic

[kotton05]

What is anarchy?

Skatopia.

[Samoht]

What is anarchy?

Skatopia.

oh god, i originally pronounced this as skat-opia. i'm glad the actual outcome of my searching for the term pronounced it another way.

[Tanthallas]

Can't say I've ever had someone mistake me for a libertarian, that really hurts.

Keep writing the way you do and you will probably be hurt many more times unfortunately.

[Hasbinbad]

DETAILS: Do you want to get more involved in politics?
Woody Harrelson: No. I don't believe in politics. I'm an anarchist, I guess you could say. I think people could be just fine looking after themselves.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/click/2013/05/woody-harrelson-im-an-anarchist-165139.html

[Hasbinbad]

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[Hasbinbad]

Trust me. I did NOT want to post a Glenn Blech video.

[Ephirith]

Trust me. I did NOT want to post a Glenn Blech video.

I'm glad you did, what a pleasure to see glenn beck getting intellectually buttraped by that guy

[Hasbinbad]

I though Glenn actually did a really great job (relative to his normal show) of shutting the fuck up and letting the person who knows what they are talking about speak.

[Hasbinbad]

I think that weirdo libertaritards "get" how significant democratization of deadly force is.

[Samoht]

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Defense Distributed.

ATX represent.

[Hasbinbad]

This is what it can look like.

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