Get rid of bard AoE kiting, we've had our fun

[sellawiz]

I don't even care if it's semi-classic, take it out.

We've all had our fun and laughs, and pointed while saying "WOW! That bard is kiting 400 mobs!".

I am utterly fed up with how many times I've not been able to find a mob in Overthere or South Karana, or how much money these scumbags are making powerleveling at the expense of everybody else in these zones.

Not to mention, when the bard inevitably dies, 60+ cacti come and take out your group.

I am fed up, this didn't happen so epidemically on live.

[Enygma]

I don't even care if it's semi-classic, take it out.

We've all had our fun and laughs, and pointed while saying "WOW! That bard is kiting 400 mobs!".

I am utterly fed up with how many times I've not been able to find a mob in Overthere or South Karana, or how much money these scumbags are making powerleveling at the expense of everybody else in these zones.

Not to mention, when the bard inevitably dies, 60+ cacti come and take out your group.

I am fed up, this didn't happen so epidemically on live.

qq fight in a different zone.

problem solved.

[sellawiz]

qq fight in a different zone.

problem solved.

So fucking greedy, of course TMO would say something to the effect of "This whole zone is mine".

[SamwiseRed]

red99 is that way, if you dont like someone doing something then slay them.

otherwise you are gonna just have to deal with it.

[SamwiseRed]

also OT and SK suck unless you are a soloer. much better zones with much better ZEMs for xp.

[Enygma]

So fucking greedy, of course TMO would say something to the effect of "This whole zone is mine".

lol...

guy named "sell" awiz mad that TMOer posts in his thread obvious answers that solve problems.

[sellawiz]

lol...

guy named "sell" awiz mad that TMOer posts in his thread obvious answers that solve problems.

I'm sorry that is totally irrelevant an nonsensical.

[Thulack]

I dont think anyone ever bitched about bard Kiters in Guk :)

[sellawiz]

I surely can't be the only one who feels this way, every time I am in either of these zones, half the conversation is about "those bastard bards".

[Thulack]

If a bard wasn't doing it PL someone they would be doing it to level themselves. The point made by everyone else is there are plenty of better zones to xp in if you are a not a bard that is trying to swarm kite. Where as there are only so many zones that a Bard can get alot of XP kiting either its for themselves or someone they are leveling.

[boudicca]

lol...

guy named "sell" awiz mad that TMOer posts in his thread obvious answers that solve problems.


You're probably capable of making an argument against what he said, without resorting to a fallacy (https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem).

[Frieza_Prexus]

So fucking greedy, of course TMO would say something to the effect of "This whole zone is mine".

Of course, someone as entitled as yourself would say something to the effect of "Play the game the way I demand."

[Kraftwerk]

Get over yourself and stop being a crybaby.

Current Bard zones - Overthere, SK, BW

Current anyone else zones - All of the remainder

[Droog007]

Plenty of things being done to death on P99 that were little known or more difficult due to hardware/network limitations on Live. This is one example easily avoided without resorting to bastardizing the game.

[Flamewraith]

Although I have to agree that the bard kiting is a bit....... overdone, and I have had my fair share of "having my group wiped the fuck out by a dead bard train" I also have to agree that there are plenty of other zones. In my 51 levels I spent one in the OT and none in any other bard camped zone.

[Kagatob]

Current Bard zones - Overthere, SK, BW, Dreadlands

Current anyone else zones - All of the remainder

Don't forget.

[Grimmly Fireforge]

http://i.imgur.com/wosb9sk.gif?1

[pasi]

Just pick mobs off the bard, they usually won't mind.

Or group in a zone with a ZEM or loot.

[Hawala]

Seriously fuck this and everything about this. Break it please. As previously mentioned graphics cards and/or Internet connections didnt make it feasible to do this.

They are plenty of other things that are much less abusive that have been broken:
1) AFK Mage camping with pets
2) Can't recast charm til charm breaks
3) Spawn variance

I totally agree with sellawiz this shit has gotta go. The original developers would have never ever meant the game to be played like this. IMO

[Hex]

http://i.imgur.com/wosb9sk.gif?1

HAHAHAH

[citizen1080]

Seriously fuck this and everything about this. Break it please. As previously mentioned graphics cards and/or Internet connections didnt make it feasible to do this.

They are plenty of other things that are much less abusive that have been broken:
1) AFK Mage camping with pets
2) Can't recast charm til charm breaks
3) Spawn variance

I totally agree with sellawiz this shit has gotta go. The original developers would have never ever meant the game to be played like this. IMO

Uh...I did it on live lvl 20 - 65...so pretty sure it was possible with hw and internet from that era lol. So mad

[xarzzardorn]

as long as the bard accepts that they are a bad person i think it's okay

[Sarius]

Don't go to OT if you are concerned about not getting any mobs. If you are in SK and camping Aviaks or something and a bard comes and pulls all of KFC then petition his ass. With no real camps in OT bards can do whatever they want.

[Barkingturtle]

You can no more ask a bard not to sing and kite than you can ask a child not to laugh or a sock not to fill with poop.

[tacite]

Most bards don't care if you pull from the swarm (I don't). From my experience, most bards leave mobs up in areas that people are XPing in (I always avoided the ramp area in OT when I was doing it there), and I try and only do swarming when the zones are empty. If there are too many people competing, I go somewhere else that is empty where I won't bother anyone.

Not all bards are douches. <3

[citizen1080]

Most bards don't care if you pull from the swarm (I don't). From my experience, most bards leave mobs up in areas that people are XPing in (I always avoided the ramp area in OT when I was doing it there), and I try and only do swarming when the zones are empty. If there are too many people competing, I go somewhere else that is empty where I won't bother anyone.

Not all bards are douches. <3

Ditto

[bloodmuffin]

"We've had our fun."

I still haven't rolled a bard yet. :(

[rendart]

Would be interesting if a druid could pick off a sabertooth, charm & sow it, then log.

[citizen1080]

Would be interesting if a druid could pick off a sabertooth, charm & sow it, then log.

Bard snare wipes out sow, easy fix. This is how we group up sarnaks in BW whom all start sowed.

[Faerie]

I'd support AE kiting being taken out if NPC agro involving the use of charm were fixed, so that bards could swarm. Still excellent exp, and much less disruptive.

[TarukShmaruk]

Seriously fuck this and everything about this. Break it please. As previously mentioned graphics cards and/or Internet connections didnt make it feasible to do this.

They are plenty of other things that are much less abusive that have been broken:
1) AFK Mage camping with pets
2) Can't recast charm til charm breaks
3) Spawn variance

I totally agree with sellawiz this shit has gotta go. The original developers would have never ever meant the game to be played like this. IMO

I don't have any stake in this nor do I care, but this posters points are basically un-counterable.

[citizen1080]

Other than it's a complete fallacy?

[TarukShmaruk]

Other than it's a complete fallacy?

?

Other classic things such as Mage AFK killing were nerfed. This is fact.

It was much less abusive/advantageous than bard swarm kiting. This is also fact.

[Faerie]

Swarm = charm

Pet peeve of mine as a former live bard; please use the right words for things :(

[citizen1080]

I was refering to the hardware comment.

[t0lkien]

Ditto

Ditto as well, though there are self entitled non-Bard soloers who get upset no matter what you do. My first time in SK at the Aviaks produced a weird angry conversation with someone who obviously hated Bards. I always kited the runners in SK and unless it was abandoned, left the Aviaks to others.

On topic, there is a much simpler solution. AoE kiting is fine. It's fun, takes real skill, involves a fair amount of risk, and is a fair use of the Bard's abilities when most of you aren't grouping anyway (so you can't complain that anyone resorts to soloing). The problem is what everyone is calling "low hitpoint" kiting. This is what is used for power-leveling and which pulls entire zones, and is game breaking. The fact that hundreds of mobs will stay aggroed on someone because their hit-points are low instead of the level 8 AoEing from behind them for 15 mins is the problem. It's unintentionally bad coding is all (I don't know why Verant wanted low hit-points to be the automatic focus of a mob's attention no matter what - I really think they just didn't think it through; it feels like a quick fix to another issue). The code change could even be isolated from boss mobs if there was concern it would affect raid encounters unintentionally.

Fixing it wouldn't be authentic, but it wouldn't negatively impact other parts of the game.

[heartbrand]

On red you can root the bard and watch him get destroyed. On blue I guess you make a post like this?

[t0lkien]

I'd support AE kiting being taken out if NPC agro involving the use of charm were fixed, so that bards could swarm. Still excellent exp, and much less disruptive.

How is it any different though? The mechanic is the same except you're not running in circles. You're still pulling large numbers of social mobs that have nothing but body aggro on the Bard via the pet. AoE kiting is fine - as I said, it's the low-hitpoint kiting that is the issue.

It might serve to validate your obsession with kiting semantics though ;)

[citizen1080]

Ditto as well, though there are self entitled non-Bard soloers who get upset no matter what you do. My first time in SK at the Aviaks produced a weird angry conversation with someone who obviously hated Bards. I always kited the runners in SK and unless it was abandoned, left the Aviaks to others.

On topic, there is a much simpler solution. AoE kiting is fine. It's fun, takes real skill, and is a fair use of the Bard's abilities when most of you aren't grouping anyway (so you can't complain that anyone resorts to soloing). The problem is what everyone is calling "low hitpoint" kiting. This is what is used for power-leveling and which pulls entire zones, and is game breaking. The fact that mobs will stay aggroed on someone because their hit-points are low instead of the level 8 AoEing from behind them for 15 mins is the problem. It's unintentionally bad coding is all (I don't know why Verant wanted low hit-points to be the automatic focus of a mob's attention no matter what - I really think they just didn't think it through; it feels like a quick fix to another issue). The code change could even be isolated from boss mobs if there was concern it would affect raid encounters unintentionally.

Fixing it wouldn't be authentic, but it wouldn't negatively impact other parts of the game.

Problem with this is that A. Hitboxes here are bigger which makes kiting more difficult than Live. and B. Swarm kiting doesnt work here due to aggro mechanics.

If they did nerf low hp aggro kiting (which would not be classic) all those bards would be in TD pissing off druids and wizards trying to quad raptors.

No matter what is done someone is going to be pissy.

[TxRanjahs]

http://i.imgur.com/wosb9sk.gif?1

pretty much sums it up

[TxRanjahs]

?

Other classic things such as Mage AFK killing were nerfed. This is fact.

It was much less abusive/advantageous than bard swarm kiting. This is also fact.

sad but true also

[Splorf22]

AoE kiting is fine. It's fun, takes real skill, involves a fair amount of risk, and is a fair use of the Bard's abilities when most of you aren't grouping anyway (so you can't complain that anyone resorts to soloing). The problem is what everyone is calling "low hitpoint" kiting.

100% agree. I tried this for an hour or two on Dramor and it is absolutely trivial. There has been an absolute explosion of ~50 bards recently and it is a direct result of the fact that any pair of knuckledragging morons can get 2 levels an hour doing this. Low HP hate needs to be capped at let's say 1/4-1/3 of the mob hp.

That being said, the people bitching about bards are in general unskilled noobs who can't handle dungeons. Leveling in OT period is trivially easy. Get out of OT and go to Lower Guk, Kaesora, Solusek B, Mistmoore, or any one of the great EQ dungeons.

[Cheeb]

Having spent a few levels groping in OT I know how annoying the bards can be. That being said, it's just something you learn to live with or move on.

If this is somehow "banned" its a victory for a small segment of our population that cant adapt to a situation and instead find it necessary to bring stupid shit like this to the forums time and time again.

[Rabies]

Snare their mobs. This works well as a wizard, because your snare hits 4 targets at once and lasts only 75 seconds. Clumps off mobs will peel off, then 75 seconds later, come running at the bard from all directions. If they're low-hitpoint kiting (or hell, even if they're not), only one of them needs to hit and stun them and you've got a dead bard.

Druid/ranger snare has its own advantages. It lasts so long (7 minutes?) that the zone rapidly turns into a minefield of slow moving mobs, like so many zombies.

I've killed a lot of bards in my time. It's better than sex.

Hilariously, even while they're disrupting the zone for everyone else (I've seen situations where the zone is cleared of mobs-- literally cleared), sometimes they'll petition you. But their fun will still be over. You can go ahead and petition them right back if you want-- explain that draining a zone of mobs is zone disruption-- or you can just be satisfied that you've saved the day for everyone else that was trying to-- and has a right to-- use the zone.

[boudicca]

If some one (or some guild), wants the server all to themselves, isn't it fairly easy to run their own server? Seems backwards to be on a server with a bunch of other people, just to try to own everything (or obstruct everyone else), unless you're a social miscreant.

[t0lkien]

Snare their mobs. This works well as a wizard, because your snare hits 4 targets at once and lasts only 75 seconds. Clumps off mobs will peel off, then 75 seconds later, come running at the bard from all directions. If they're low-hitpoint kiting (or hell, even if they're not), only one of them needs to hit and stun them and you've got a dead bard.

Druid/ranger snare has its own advantages. It lasts so long (7 minutes?) that the zone rapidly turns into a minefield of slow moving mobs, like so many zombies.

I've killed a lot of bards in my time. It's better than sex.

Hilariously, even while they're disrupting the zone for everyone else (I've seen situations where the zone is cleared of mobs-- literally cleared), sometimes they'll petition you. But their fun will still be over. You can go ahead and petition them right back if you want-- explain that draining a zone of mobs is zone disruption-- or you can just be satisfied that you've saved the day for everyone else that was trying to-- and has a right to-- use the zone.

Except what you've done is actually petitionable, and the Bard has done nothing wrong. I think you'll find that once it's sorted out, you'll be the one being reprimanded/disciplined.

Not saying it's ok for Bards to disrupt the play of others. But bizarre senses of entitlement don't stop with Bards. Some of you guys are downright strange in your take on what is yours, and what is just. If a Bard wants to make things difficult for you in return, you'll be the one zoning, not him/her (sit aggro is a bitch). It's a silly fight to start IMO, and your death XP is harder to regain than theirs.

As for me, if there were more groups available I'd be grouping. It's much more fun. This isn't the bum rush to max level live was. I want to enjoy the journey.

[Nune]

Isn't your anger because you feel you deserve the mobs they're taking? Hypocritical at minimum. Those merbs are there to be killed for experience and loot, that's the extent any entitled claim could go.

[Faerie]

Snare their mobs. This works well as a wizard, because your snare hits 4 targets at once and lasts only 75 seconds. Clumps off mobs will peel off, then 75 seconds later, come running at the bard from all directions. If they're low-hitpoint kiting (or hell, even if they're not), only one of them needs to hit and stun them and you've got a dead bard.

Druid/ranger snare has its own advantages. It lasts so long (7 minutes?) that the zone rapidly turns into a minefield of slow moving mobs, like so many zombies.

I've killed a lot of bards in my time. It's better than sex.

Hilariously, even while they're disrupting the zone for everyone else (I've seen situations where the zone is cleared of mobs-- literally cleared), sometimes they'll petition you. But their fun will still be over. You can go ahead and petition them right back if you want-- explain that draining a zone of mobs is zone disruption-- or you can just be satisfied that you've saved the day for everyone else that was trying to-- and has a right to-- use the zone.

I think this is against the rules, and even on red I wouldn't do it unless a bard was actively taking my camp without stopping to let us pvp for the camp fairly.

And to everyone saying that people should just exp in dungeons if they're bothered by this: why should players not have the option for easy OT exp if they want it? Sometimes you don't feel like an intense dungeon crawl, and just want to relax and take things easy while socializing with a group. Bard kiting isn't so much of an issue on red because of the lower population and fewer number of bards, but if bards are monopolizing zones on blue I don't think the appropriate reaction should be, "Well, those noobs shouldn't be wanting easy exp anyway; dungeons are cooler!" Solo bards are able to take many more NPCs than even a few full groups of others could. I saw it happen while leveling my druid on red, and for a few minutes there really were no in range NPCs for me to pull.

Imo the devs wouldn't need to break the ability, just enforce the "zone disruption" rule a bit more frequently. Bards should learn to share, not be nerfed.

[Rabies]

the Bard has done nothing wrong

Wrong. What do you think would happen on live if you were abusing a zone by locking up literally every mob in it, to the point where no one else could use it? As someone who used to AE group, I can tell you that a GM would come and tell you to stop it because it's zone disruption. It's no different than intentionally training. The game is designed to accomodate groups of people, usually many groups of people, and if a single person (or group) somehow finds a way around that, it's still against the rules.

Swarm kite all you want, but it's still using game mechanics in a way they weren't intended, and if you take it so far that other people can't find a mob to kill, you've crossed a line and opened yourself up for vigilante justice. The only problem is that more people don't do it. You're in the right. Take your zone back, people.

[Faerie]

Wrong. What do you think would happen on live if you were abusing a zone by locking up literally every mob in it, to the point where no one else could use it? As someone who used to AE group, I can tell you that a GM would come and tell you to stop it because it's zone disruption. It's no different than intentionally training. The game is designed to accomodate groups of people, usually many groups of people, and if a single person (or group) somehow finds a way around that, it's still against the rules.

Swarm kite all you want, but it's still using game mechanics in a way they weren't intended, and if you take it so far that other people can't find a mob to kill, you've crossed a line and opened yourself up for vigilante justice. The only problem is that more people don't do it. You're in the right. Take your zone back, people.

lol

[citizen1080]

I think Rabies got AIDS from a bard who raped him while he forced to watch another bard rape his wife.

[t0lkien]

Wrong. What do you think would happen on live if you were abusing a zone by locking up literally every mob in it, to the point where no one else could use it? As someone who used to AE group, I can tell you that a GM would come and tell you to stop it because it's zone disruption. It's no different than intentionally training. The game is designed to accomodate groups of people, usually many groups of people, and if a single person (or group) somehow finds a way around that, it's still against the rules.

Swarm kite all you want, but it's still using game mechanics in a way they weren't intended, and if you take it so far that other people can't find a mob to kill, you've crossed a line and opened yourself up for vigilante justice. The only problem is that more people don't do it. You're in the right. Take your zone back, people.

It's not AoE kiting that removes all the mobs. It's low hit-point kiting, and I agree this mechanic is pretty much blatant exploitation, which is why I won't do it. I don't want to get 2 levels every hour anyway. If I want that I'd be playing another game. AoE kiting is easy enough once you have it down (though hellishly boring for too long; give me a good group any day).

It sounds to me like you are just a bit bitter because you decided you wanted a set of mobs, and a Bard decided they wanted it, much like the guy I ran into in SK who abused me right out of the box for nothing, simply because I was a Bard and dared to tag some mobs from "his" area when he wasn't there. This frankly brutish sense of entitlement swings both ways.

The Bards I know would do what I did - leave him alone despite his stupidity and go elsewhere (in my case I just ran the zone picking up the many strays, which was all the same to me anyway, and netted me a Pegasus Cloak). There are plenty of mobs for everyone on this server. No need to get all aggressive for nought. I say the same to you.

[Tasslehofp99]

who in their right mind hunts in the overthere? Lol

[Rabies]

Really don't care what you think. If I'm exping and all the mobs in the zone disappear, I will find that bard and fuck up his day. Bonus points if he's taken money to PL someone.

I have a hard time believing the GMs won't do anything about it, if asked to. I've never petitioned myself (I'd rather kill the bard-- see above), but if the average player was put in this situation, I don't believe that our server GMs would not step in and stop it. It is so obviously and blatantly against the rules, I just don't believe they would not do that.

[t0lkien]

Dude, if you ever tried to kill a Bard who knew what he was doing, you would end up being the one watching the loading screen, not him. Be careful you don't go postal on 1. an innocent 2. a competent.

And 3. chill out.

[Splorf22]

Wrong. What do you think would happen on live if you were abusing a zone by locking up literally every mob in it, to the point where no one else could use it? As someone who used to AE group, I can tell you that a GM would come and tell you to stop it because it's zone disruption. It's no different than intentionally training. The game is designed to accomodate groups of people, usually many groups of people, and if a single person (or group) somehow finds a way around that, it's still against the rules.

Swarm kite all you want, but it's still using game mechanics in a way they weren't intended, and if you take it so far that other people can't find a mob to kill, you've crossed a line and opened yourself up for vigilante justice. The only problem is that more people don't do it. You're in the right. Take your zone back, people.

If you are so confident in what you are saying, then why did you feel the need to create an anon troll account?

[Visual]

swarm kiting even more difficult than it was on live. If anything it should be fixed :p

[Tasslehofp99]

AE kiting was deffinetly on live, atleast it worked in kunark up to planes of power.


I remember getting fuckloads of AA points duoing with a bard in this fashion in plane of nightmare and plane of valor.

[Calibix]

Outdoor zones don't really have camps. And your entitled to any amount of mobs you can reasonable handle, which in this case is all of them. So don't fault the bard for playing to the fullest.

I will say that low hp kiting certainly locks up mobs for a longer period of time, particularly in OT, since that's where the majority of power leveling goes on; however, the simple fact is they are entitled to as many mobs as they can handle, just the same as you. If you don't like it move on. In other zones like DL, BW, EJ, you never see bard complainers because its almost never PL, its people killing in a reasonable amount of time.

As a bard myself, I can tell you right now, if you played a bard, you would swarm to. Sitting in a group for 2-3 hours and getting maybe 1.5 blues, or a duo/trio for the same amount of time maybe 2.5? With a good partner in BW I can pull about 7-8 blues if not more in that same amount of time. In OT, you can ding twice from 1 pull if your doing it solo. No one's time is more valuable than anyone else's, so I don't get why people would complain about people maximizing their xp gains.

It is absolutely no different if you wanted to camp any camp, but it was already taken. You'd find somewhere else to go. But in this case, you complain. It makes no sense. Its a big pile of jealousy is what it is.

All that being said, when I was aoe'n in OT, I left mobs alone near groups I saw, and I never have a problem with someone snagging mobs out of my train. Never really got too many complaints, although I tended to do it in off hours more often than not.

[Trouble]

Kill the rhinos or other mobs that are pesky to bards. Peel off our kites if you want. Be aware if an accident happens, though; mobs comin atcha. OT/EK/NK/WK/SK/DL/LOIO/WW and the like are places for soloers, being outdoor with lots of room to move and few casters. Bards can solo, as anyone in this thread knows. Know this before coming to these places or learn it while you're there, and communicate with the bards. Anytime I've talked to someone privately and rationally I leave mobs up around where they're killing. When they call me out in ooc, no sympathy- grow up and stop whining. I don't go out and try to disrupt people. I'm just out doing my thing, as you are.

[r00t]

http://i.imgur.com/wosb9sk.gif?1

epic

[Phats]

So while bards are being taken care of how about TMO? They are abusing server mechanics too

[Agatha]

You should just root them and laugh when all the mobs kill them.

Edit: lol thought i was on red forums, ya that sucks. I don't really see how blue server is all that appealing when shit like this goes down and you have no recourse to fix the situation.

[HitMePat]

?

Other classic things such as Mage AFK killing were nerfed. This is fact.

It was much less abusive/advantageous than bard swarm kiting. This is also fact.


How is Mage afk camping less abusive? I can't go to sleep while aoe kiting and come back 3 levels higher. It's hard to do correctly without dying. And it's fun. And it's one of the only nerfed things in live that P99 still has that I cared about when I came back to EQ. Aren't there about a hundred other zones to grind in where bards can't aoe?

[Bodeanicus]

"But... but... I don't mind if you get my sloppy second mobs of my train!"

[Tecmos Deception]

I am fed up, this didn't happen so epidemically on live.

Welcome to the year 2013!

[alaiwy0503]

i absolutely can't stand the whiners. the ridiculous hypocrisy and terrible logic that "bard are ruining the server because they are taking the mobs i want, why don't they just go to another zone or stop it?"

There are at MAX 900 people on this server and usually at least 150 of those are in EC when the population is that high. there are literally at least 5 zones in any level range that are basically, if not totally, completely empty. There are basically 4-5 zones TOTAL that a bard can do this effectively. Don't go to OT if you want a large amount of mobs.

And the argument that this isn't classic is asinine. Maybe you couldn't do it in live because you had a crappy computer. but people with top end computers and internet were doing this w/o any trouble at all.

[TarukShmaruk]

How is Mage afk camping less abusive? I can't go to sleep while aoe kiting and come back 3 levels higher. It's hard to do correctly without dying. And it's fun. And it's one of the only nerfed things in live that P99 still has that I cared about when I came back to EQ. Aren't there about a hundred other zones to grind in where bards can't aoe?

Mage AFK killing didn't disrupt the entire zone and cause problems to people trying to hunt though.

[Calibix]

I feel like every person complaining about bards in this thread are the same people who would complain that they rolled a warrior and can't heal.

[Lojik]

From server rules-
If you have the slightest doubt that what you are doing may not be intended, please cease immediately and seek clarification from the server staff. Failure to do so and discovery of your actions will lead to disciplinary action.

So while I fall into the group that gets annoyed when I am in OT and there are 0 mobs to kill, I also will not demand that bard kiting needs to be nerfed or stopped. I am only curious as to whether people think low-hp kiting is an unintended game play mechanic that is being exploited. If so, wouldn't this be against server rules?

I also see this response frequently "go level in a dungeon with ZEM instead of OT." Some classes (thinking wizard especially) are really only suited to leveling outdoors and are not all that desired in groups. The "bard zones" are also generally good places for wizards to solo, and there really aren't all that many of these zones.

[Gadwen]

Good thing we have such an awesome community here or this could be a real problem!

[Messianic]

So much whining.

I am utterly fed up with how many times I've not been able to find a mob in Overthere or South Karana

Have you ever tried dealing with problems yourself instead of "Wahhh GMs and Devs must fix the problem for me even though they work for free"?

I've told Bards openly in OT that if I cannot find mobs, i'm going to start picking off singles from their packs. I'm not doing that vindictively, i'm doing it because it takes forever to run around and find a mob when one or two bards are doing it.

I've never had them raise a fuss over it. I respect their right to use their abilities to the best of their utility so i'm not against them doing it and I understand your frustration - but to coexist, you have to be more creative than "Wahh, the devs must change X because i'm not happy".


or how much money these scumbags are making powerleveling at the expense of everybody else in these zones.

Is your problem that these people are making profit out of their abilities, or the fact that they're entering into mutually beneficial agreements with others that help both parties? Either way, you sound like a jackass.

I am fed up, this didn't happen so epidemically on live.

Neither did a lot of things that happen here. Having 10+ years to perfect use of mechanics has consequences. Deal with it.

[kingsBlend]

Relevant signature.

[Flamewraith]

You should just root them and laugh when all the mobs kill them.

Edit: lol thought i was on red forums, ya that sucks. I don't really see how blue server is all that appealing when shit like this goes down and you have no recourse to fix the situation.

Hahaha you don't see how blue is appealing with one minor fault as is compared to the shithole that is red. Right, you have it soooooo much better, I'm sure your sixty person pop can attest to that.

[Sithel1988]

sorry, you are just a little bitch. have a good one though! :D

[Ryba]

I second the notion that swarm kiting is ok as long as the bard feels bad about it. Like sex with a fat chick.

[Spitty]

Eight pages cause a whiny bitch can't deal with finding another zone. Because there's no other possible thing you could do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQSRPMFDTSs

[iRFNA]

lot of hostile bards ITT, scared of working for their levels

[Flamewraith]

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/27833810.jpg

[Ektar]

opening this thread felt like this

http://i824.photobucket.com/albums/zz162/Postorofpictures/woops_zps8f6e404a.gif

[mike90]

I think the point is people shouldn't HAVE to go somewhere else. If the kiter is playing nice and not taking all the mobs then thats cool. But draining most of the mobs in a zone where 30 or 40 people are fighting just so one person can level far faster then was ever intended is a dick move.


Not sure how anyone can argue that. also if you want to speed through the levels playing solo its puzzling why you're even on p99 to begin with. Go play wow then.

[Calibix]

I think the point is people shouldn't HAVE to go somewhere else. If the kiter is playing nice and not taking all the mobs then thats cool. But draining most of the mobs in a zone where 30 or 40 people are fighting just so one person can level far faster then was ever intended is a dick move.


Not sure how anyone can argue that. also if you want to speed through the levels playing solo its puzzling why you're even on p99 to begin with. Go play wow then.

Its opportunity cost. Anything over like 15 mobs is going to kill you if you mess up just once, so its in your best interest to pull as much as possible. Furthermore, there are never 30-40 in the zones we are discussing, so that is irrelevant. Intention is also irrelevant. There are plenty of things that have happened in EQ and other MMO's that weren't intended on the part of the developers, but were discovered by players since they far outweigh developers. It doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to happen, since they are within the rules and game mechanics.

The point is, if someone is camping something, you move on. It shouldn't be any different if a bard is aoe'ing. You either grab some mobs from the train, or you go somewhere else. Its no different if you went to seb to camp crypt and it was camped. You'd go somewhere else. You wouldn't cry like a little girl about it on the forums.

[Snackies]

Now now, let's not make any hasty decisions until my bard gets level 60!

[stonez138]

lol...

guy named "sell" awiz mad that TMOer posts in his thread obvious answers that solve problems.

Asshole from TMO obviously thinks it's cool to have fun at the expense of others. Why else would he join TMO.

[stonez138]

Of course, someone as entitled as yourself would say something to the effect of "Play the game the way I demand."

Of course dome asshole from TMO obviously it's cool to have fun at the expense of others. Why else would he join TMO.

[Kagatob]

'dome assholes' are the worst kind of assholes I hear.

[Ektar]

picking on a typo of one key over from the correct spelling on a forum with no editing? come on now :P

[Ektar]

someone is swarm kiting in wfp right now lowowlwowowwoaoaoaoaowlolol

[Hex]

Seems like a good idea. More bards = more zones we need to take over =)

[Frieza_Prexus]

Of course dome asshole from TMO obviously it's cool to have fun at the expense of others. Why else would he join TMO.

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Get the sand out of your vagina.

Bard kiting has always been around, and it's an accepted part of the game. It's the height of entitlement to come to P99 and demand that it be changed for a single person's convenience.

You said it best. (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=691583&postcount=3)

[sanforce]

/shrug. My bard is level 60, go ahead and nerf away!

[Halfelfbard]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT-iPHxbico-JHGfDD9kMTifjiV0SZi9Y1HPNlIKIfkXzHJmBw3

I have bin summoned. Fuck yall, if anything increase the ranges on songs like "classic" durrr

[gotrocks]

^now you've gone and done it, halfelfs back around =P