Discord type server

[heartbrand]

I think we can all agree that red and boxes in general, at least until velious, is/are pretty stale. I was thinking about what the most fun part of a box is and for me it's that first month when everyone is new and he newb zones are packed. Why not have a perma death discord server with scoreboard etc.? Seems ez to do, have no gm intervention apart from hacking, prosper.

[Nirgon]

You'll have to show how by MQ the fates of the servers are doomed to get that done bub

I for one welcome the groups of 12 mages casting bolts through walls perma death server

[heartbrand]

I mean obv to make it viable you'd need to fix the things that red needs fixed, but assuming that happened it seems like a fun server id fuck around on rather than oL.

[heartbrand]

Plus you could have a real best of the best where the losers go back to level 1. Real life gladiator fights

[Nirgon]

Much like a Sullon Zek type server with everyone with a brain rolling evil?

Mages.

[heartbrand]

EQ PvP isn't balanced, it's not meant to be a WOW style server where every class can compete against every other class. I fully expect such a server to be loaded with mages, wizards and druids. However, I doubt everyone would be playing it as a solo assassin and there would likely be cliques which would have melees / healers.

[Nirgon]

There's balanced and then there's bolts going through walls while direct damage doesnt (it was the other way around in classic)

Bolts going through walls rapes my immersion

I'm not asking anywhere for a perfect resist code as a deal breaker

I'm asking for non-classic things that change almost completely how the game is play to be addressed with simple fixes

[p-niner]

Altergate 2.0 almost done

[Clark]

There's balanced and then there's bolts going through walls while direct damage doesnt (it was the other way around in classic)

Bolts going through walls rapes my immersion

I'm not asking anywhere for a perfect resist code as a deal breaker

I'm asking for non-classic things that change almost completely how the game is play to be addressed with simple fixes

[Shrubwise]

Welcome 2 yesterday


A new FFA server, online for one week. Permanent death 1-60 PvP range limit. Highest level at end of 7 days gets AoN & cyber handy on Red.

[Nirgon]

Here's an insane idea

Take a break until Velious or they get around to fixing things

[heartbrand]

Nirgon I agree fixes such as bolts would need to be implemented ( should just make them DDs with lower dmg like they did on live until they can fundamentally make bolts functional )

[Xantille]

Would need dat über antihax.dll. I got to 20ish on the original discord server before a wizard warped onto my face in the middle of Nek forest.

Searyx won w dat clean whistle, tho

[p-niner]

Bolts get los on corners all the time. Is it zone apecific or what teach me to do.

[Andis]

or...wait....you can stop zerging.....and wait for it.....play this game how its normally suppose to be played lol

farming server alone, mucho fun

[heartbrand]

Yes because I'm sure if I deguild nihilum will implode instantaneously lol? There's almost 200 pop recently go pl some people or merge with brobb and get over yourself if you want competition (which you claim to not even care about since pve is "gay" despite your daily eight hour sky raids), but stop shittin up my discord server thread with red99 stuff.

Also make exp like 250% but that prolly goes without saying. Could try making it teams also, full item loot ldo.

[Andis]

havent farmed air in ages, and brobb, hah dont make me laugh

brobbs guildies dethroned him, reason: retard

and theres a storm comin, i can feel it

[p-niner]

Direct ideas to altergate devs as they read this board but wont release until an r99 lull

eq next unveiling in like 2-3 weeks tho

[heartbrand]

I think red99 addicts would find a server like this still fun and ez to enjoy casually. I don't think you need wait for a lull. I would prolly play one of these all the time if they reset monthly or four times a year.

[Vile]

All very easy to do, but sucks w/ out the antihax... GM policing hackers is laughable.

[p-niner]

Lets all get aimbot and have a bloodbath

[SamwiseRed]

antihax doesnt stop anyone as shown in ec the other day on blue. unless query is being ran everyday.

[p-niner]

Someone should just setup a r99 counterstrike server for some good old fashion fps funs

[Nirgon]

People want to have their own guilds and do their own thing

And then half of them merge into Nihilum during the next "I'm bored" exodus

Heartbrand tried the hardest I think to merge the clans

Kringe was the most successful and thusly proved what I knew to be true all along

[Something'Witty]

Why not have a perma death discord server with scoreboard etc.? Seems ez to do, have no gm intervention apart from hacking, prosper.

So perma death in PvP or all aspects of the game?

Also, scoreboard seems kind of dumb with perma death; if you are still alive, that means you have been winning. Although honestly I am bias against leader boards in general since PvP is so unbalanced in EQ, it just encourages people to play the handful of classes that are the "flavor of the box."

[heartbrand]

Could do it either way I guess, I would prefer perma death in all aspects to avoid circumventing perma death via manastone and the like. Scoreboards are imperfect and in a perfect world you'd like assists to be tracked as well but I was aiming for something easy and quick to launch.

[Something'Witty]

Back in the day my wife met another player in EQ that played under self enforced perma death. The only reason I remember was because while she was grouped with him, he died, and freaked the fuck out on the cleric in their group. I think it was his 5th and highest lvl character at that point, around lvl 30. Boy did he go off the deep end, I should have saved the screen shot she took.

[runlvlzero]

The code for Vanilla and database is out in the wild and good to go. Its also easy to replicate. Vanilla EMU is rockin. Make one. Ask devnoob if you could participate in his project and host it.

The only reason they dont is probably because their busy hosting their current project.

Then you can join the ranks of corrupt gm's, guides, server admins that the community just loves to hate. Will give you lots of material to wall of text with.

But I would play on your discord server!

[klant]

I think we can all agree that red and boxes in general, at least until velious, is/are pretty stale.

yeah dude, this server/pvp is stale because the server is filled with abunch of pussies that all joined nihilum. If you guys had some balls and didn't all zerg to 1 guild this server would have been pretty fun.

[runlvlzero]

yeah dude, this server/pvp is stale because the server is filled with abunch of pussies that all joined nihilum. If you guys had some balls and didn't all zerg to 1 guild this server would have been pretty fun.

I don't blame the zerg for the 1-50 game. Which is what turns most people away on this server. EMU player mentality everyone has a druid on their account and trades plvls for all other characters. Thats what wrecks the server.

I am currently leveling a druid. I repeatedly say to my groups... Don't know if I have what it takes to play the classes I want to play solo on the box.

Attempting to make friends that I can coerce into playing with me on my schedule. EQ is a really bad solo game. Yet thats what the fast EXP and multiple accounts and characters per account leads too. If there was a way to force people to play only one character, and there was no work arounds. We'd see a different level spread. People would have to earn 60, not be friends with a douchebag or roll a mage and farm seafuries for plvl.

Also I would like to add because of the top heavy popluation both zerg and non-zerg we are quickly getting to the point where new players see everyone who is a melee 1-40 with a fungi and go wtf... Though fungi wielding melees are not to blame they usually group and shit helpin the new players. But it is a demoralizing factor of joining an old box.

Population plain and simple. A lot of new commers would like beta to end so they could play on a box with non-broken resists and vanilla legacy content.

**** anyway ignoring that big wall of text the simple direct:

The way people earn 60 is through metagame and thats all they want is 60, their missing out on 1-60 and the struggle to gear up a new toon. I consider that less fun and less of an acheivement then rolling an "easy character" and twinking. Part of that is zerg mentality, and part of it is everyone trying to catch up to them. But its not the Zergs fault, were all OOR to the zerg before level 52.

So roll some fresh toons folks if your mad about it.

[runlvlzero]

Nah I have been sticking with this druid since galadhwen hit 42

She's up to 24, been tryin to help out some good fresh recruits to the box along the way.

[Stasis01]

People talked about Kringe like he was good, and he always acts kinda big time - never really knew why 3.0 TDT kinda dominated, red99 early as his necro was meh, barely active I jousted him on LOZ and it was mediocore.

Then he managed to unite the clans and lead 50 man armies up nihilum's ass and whooped me in CT - def entered pro status in my eyes after that shit.

[Caravelle1]

Does anyone remember Mortalquest?

Permadeath on a server is really enjoyable, but to be honest it just doesnt mesh with classic EQ. Mortalquest had an exp rate in place, where if you REALLY spent a day grinding you could reach level 50.
That server actually had 100+ people on when it came out, but honestly after dying to some bullshit after spending hours leveling your char, is really not very fun, and lots of people quit.

One memory from that server was this cleric who died at level 50 to some holocaust guy in the morning, then spends 10 hours grinding the entire day. The guy that killed him in the morning logs after work and kills him within 10 minutes. At the end the playerbase sort of dwindled, and we just dueled each other to the death for fun.

[Gustoo]

Discord server would be fun.

It will be good once beta ends and velious is getting boring or something.

Right now this server still has a lot of growing to do, and hopefully future patches actually fix broken things instead of nerf things to make them more classic when this box is totally custom anyways.

[Caravelle1]

Here's what you need for a discord type server:
Not perma death but, instead a very harsh penalty for death, like all items drop upon death, even no drop items. Significant level loss - 2-5 levels / 4-5 hours of exp time.

Also I would recommend custom items and dungeons, this aspect would make it very fun to explore dangerous places with the threat of perma death looming over you. The chance at loot, if even temporary until you die, would drive people.


Alternate ideas: capping level at 20, design all dungeons to fit with that level scheme
Capturable outposts and player positioned guards - this is a feature I really though was cool from one of the soldiers and kings server

[SamwiseRed]

people on blue still talk about kringe on live. thats respect you cant buy.

inb4 eq is a dum game who gives a fuck

[NotKringe]

People talked about Kringe like he was good, and he always acts kinda big time - never really knew why 3.0 TDT kinda dominated, red99 early as his necro was meh, barely active I jousted him on LOZ and it was mediocore.

Then he managed to unite the clans and lead 50 man armies up nihilum's ass and whooped me in CT - def entered pro status in my eyes after that shit.


Big Stasis with the props.... Thanks pal... Always fun fights.

[Sektor]

Wishing Kringe and crew never would of quit. Could of been leader of the guild that destroyed Nilly and became legendary. Oh well.

[Num1RecommendedByDentists]

sometimes stasis says things like this and i know deep down somewhere he's still there

stasis can be saved

[NotKringe]

Wishing Kringe and crew never would of quit. Could of been leader of the guild that destroyed Nilly and became legendary. Oh well.

I'm just a huge proponent of team man... If we aren't helping our lower level guys while constantly pressuring Nihilum's high end groups there is no morale... I tried to instill a "Guild Factor", if you will, into everyone where anyone online would know that if you corpse camped so and so with 3-4 toons anyone online would drop everything on a whim and we would come to your aid, then apply pressure in return to the opposition... Unfortunately there were just too many people (from what I had to choose from) that were to involved in themselves to see the bigger picture (would rather farm their 10th and 11th Fungis etc than to come help lock down/drive out the important zones we needed to apply pressure too)... That drove my ambition to lead right out the door.....

Maybe one day tho someone will step up and get those guys together..

Anywho thanks for the honorable mention, carry on with the discord topic!

[Slathar]

People talked about Kringe like he was good, and he always acts kinda big time - never really knew why 3.0 TDT kinda dominated, red99 early as his necro was meh, barely active I jousted him on LOZ and it was mediocore.

Then he managed to unite the clans and lead 50 man armies up nihilum's ass and whooped me in CT - def entered pro status in my eyes after that shit.

slurrrrrrppp it up. keep the doors open in case the tides ever turn is the way it is eh?

fucking loot vacuum of cellulite

[Vile]

The real issue here is the ability to stop the hacking..

Naez claims to have his own fix, but he's to blame IMO for Crucify being lost forever. Well you could blame me for not backing everything up... but yea. This server could easily be created in a matter of hours but after hosting a few servers myself, it isn't fun when your custom box has hackers running lose when you don't have all day to monitor it...

[Nirgon]

Maybe one day tho someone will step up and want to kill themself..

[heartbrand]

I'm just a huge proponent of team man... If we aren't helping our lower level guys while constantly pressuring Nihilum's high end groups there is no morale... I tried to instill a "Guild Factor", if you will, into everyone where anyone online would know that if you corpse camped so and so with 3-4 toons anyone online would drop everything on a whim and we would come to your aid, then apply pressure in return to the opposition... Unfortunately there were just too many people (from what I had to choose from) that were to involved in themselves to see the bigger picture (would rather farm their 10th and 11th Fungis etc than to come help lock down/drive out the important zones we needed to apply pressure too)... That drove my ambition to lead right out the door.....

Maybe one day tho someone will step up and get those guys together..

Anywho thanks for the honorable mention, carry on with the discord topic!

Pretty much my experience since day 1 here

[GrobbGangsta]

I don't blame the zerg for the 1-50 game. Which is what turns most people away on this server. EMU player mentality everyone has a druid on their account and trades plvls for all other characters. Thats what wrecks the server.

I am currently leveling a druid. I repeatedly say to my groups... Don't know if I have what it takes to play the classes I want to play solo on the box.

Attempting to make friends that I can coerce into playing with me on my schedule. EQ is a really bad solo game. Yet thats what the fast EXP and multiple accounts and characters per account leads too. If there was a way to force people to play only one character, and there was no work arounds. We'd see a different level spread. People would have to earn 60, not be friends with a douchebag or roll a mage and farm seafuries for plvl.

Also I would like to add because of the top heavy popluation both zerg and non-zerg we are quickly getting to the point where new players see everyone who is a melee 1-40 with a fungi and go wtf... Though fungi wielding melees are not to blame they usually group and shit helpin the new players. But it is a demoralizing factor of joining an old box.

Population plain and simple. A lot of new commers would like beta to end so they could play on a box with non-broken resists and vanilla legacy content.

**** anyway ignoring that big wall of text the simple direct:

The way people earn 60 is through metagame and thats all they want is 60, their missing out on 1-60 and the struggle to gear up a new toon. I consider that less fun and less of an acheivement then rolling an "easy character" and twinking. Part of that is zerg mentality, and part of it is everyone trying to catch up to them. But its not the Zergs fault, were all OOR to the zerg before level 52.

So roll some fresh toons folks if your mad about it.

Every single problem anyone mentions could be solved with a wipe. Instant 300+ pop, groups, lots of PVP.

The only people who don't want it are Nihilum fully geared, raid schedule intact and undisturbed.

I have heard all of your arguments and they have no merit. Wipe is the only way.

[heartbrand]

How would a wipe without fundamental fixes change anything? Now you'll grief nihilum off and instead of nihilum solo farming raid content it will be force or azrael doing it. Wipes won't fix shit, I know I for one would never roll here again if it was wiped especially with EQNext on the horizon and my growing immersion in league.

[Num1RecommendedByDentists]

as the person with the most to lose, i fully support a wipe

[GrobbGangsta]

How would a wipe without fundamental fixes change anything? Now you'll grief nihilum off and instead of nihilum solo farming raid content it will be force or azrael doing it. Wipes won't fix shit, I know I for one would never roll here again if it was wiped especially with EQNext on the horizon and my growing immersion in league.

Because the "fundamental problems" are not bolt LOS and resist issues. The fundamental problems are a tiny population, top heavy population, lack of any legitimate pvp or competition, empty zones and gear disparity, etc etc etc.

Like I said, wipe the server, restart the cycle, all the sudden you have tons of people having fun playing EQ PVP. The hardship to those in the minority with lots of time invested and gear is outweighed by actually having a functional server.

[Something'Witty]

I'm just a huge proponent of team man... I tried to instill a "Guild Factor", if you will, into everyone where anyone online would know that if you corpse camped so and so with 3-4 toons anyone online would drop everything on a whim and we would come to your aid, then apply pressure in return to the opposition...

^^^ Totally dig what you're saying.

[Something'Witty]

Because the "fundamental problems" are not bolt LOS and resist issues. The fundamental problems are a tiny population, top heavy population, lack of any legitimate pvp or competition, empty zones and gear disparity, etc etc etc.

Like I said, wipe the server, restart the cycle, all the sudden you have tons of people having fun playing EQ PVP. The hardship to those in the minority with lots of time invested and gear is outweighed by actually having a functional server.

I don't get it. How exactly would wiping the server lead to "all the sudden you have tons of people having fun playing EQ PVP?" If anything you just discouraged the "the minority with lots of time invested and gear" from coming back, resulting in an even lower server population! I mean, do you really think there are 200-300+ people just sitting around wanting to play on 99red if it wasn't for those damn high end players in one guild in particular?

[heartbrand]

I don't get it. How exactly would wiping the server lead to "all the sudden you have tons of people having fun playing EQ PVP?" If anything you just discouraged the "the minority with lots of time invested and gear" from coming back, resulting in an even lower server population! I mean, do you really think there are 200-300+ people just sitting around wanting to play on 99red if it wasn't for those damn high end players in one guild in particular?

^, you'll just end up with an even smaller pop after the initial "o cool a new box" phase wears off within 3-4 weeks

[SamwiseRed]

I'm just a huge proponent of team man... If we aren't helping our lower level guys while constantly pressuring Nihilum's high end groups there is no morale... I tried to instill a "Guild Factor", if you will, into everyone where anyone online would know that if you corpse camped so and so with 3-4 toons anyone online would drop everything on a whim and we would come to your aid, then apply pressure in return to the opposition... Unfortunately there were just too many people (from what I had to choose from) that were to involved in themselves to see the bigger picture (would rather farm their 10th and 11th Fungis etc than to come help lock down/drive out the important zones we needed to apply pressure too)... That drove my ambition to lead right out the door.....

Maybe one day tho someone will step up and get those guys together..

Anywho thanks for the honorable mention, carry on with the discord topic!

even worse, if you werent part of their cliche, you werent getting a fungi invite. farmers gonna farm, need more team players.

i always suggested doing things as a team. like put the whole guild in seb. on a king, other at juggs, ect. that way if pvp happens you have 3-4 groups of players to rain hellfire missiles down on the opposition. but nope, i would get responses like "thats not efficient and we only need X to kill fungi king."

[Vile]

anyone discussing a wipe is just dumb, we know it's not even an option, whether we agree or not.

[Vile]

even worse, if you werent part of their cliche, you werent getting a fungi invite. farmers gonna farm, need more team players.

i always suggested doing things as a team. like put the whole guild in seb. on a king, other at juggs, ect. that way if pvp happens you have 3-4 groups of players to rain hellfire missiles down on the opposition. but nope, i would get responses like "thats not efficient and we only need X to kill fungi king."

pixel disease bro.. many on the box are infected.

[GrobbGangsta]

I don't get it. How exactly would wiping the server lead to "all the sudden you have tons of people having fun playing EQ PVP?" If anything you just discouraged the "the minority with lots of time invested and gear" from coming back, resulting in an even lower server population! I mean, do you really think there are 200-300+ people just sitting around wanting to play on 99red if it wasn't for those damn high end players in one guild in particular?

Yes I do. New people start all the time, see the state of the server, quit soon thereafter.

It is not about "griefing off Nihilum." Right now at any given time there is a large uncontested Nihilum raid force in VP/Seb/wherever, a few crusty bitches and a handful of ragtags in COM, and a bunch of new players on the verge of quitting after soloing to lvl 15 alone.

It doesn't get much worse than that. The argument of "join up and contest us then!" is a loser argument. Shit has been going on for like 10 months now.

Lastly, all of the "threats of quitting forever" coming from people like Heartbrand are completely unfounded. For most of his guild, EQ is their life. They will be pissed but they will not quit.

Sorry not sorry. Facts + Truth + Science = Wipe

[SamwiseRed]

gonna catch some heat but whats the point of a wipe? another goddamn ffa server? when will you people see the light and put a hard coded teams server on a box?

[p-niner]

even worse, if you werent part of their cliche, you werent getting a fungi invite. farmers gonna farm, need more team players.

i always suggested doing things as a team. like put the whole guild in seb. on a king, other at juggs, ect. that way if pvp happens you have 3-4 groups of players to rain hellfire missiles down on the opposition. but nope, i would get responses like "thats not efficient and we only need X to kill fungi king."

Hehe

Tried that. Same ffarmers didnt leave their camps to defend zone in and we wiped.

[Something'Witty]

Yes I do. New people start all the time, see the state of the server, quit soon thereafter [1].

It is not about "griefing off Nihilum." Right now at any given time there is a large uncontested Nihilum raid force in VP/Seb/wherever, a few crusty bitches and a handful of ragtags in COM, and a bunch of new players on the verge of quitting after soloing to lvl 15 alone [2].

It doesn't get much worse than that. The argument of "join up and contest us then!" is a loser argument [3]. Shit has been going on for like 10 months now.

Lastly, all of the "threats of quitting forever" coming from people like Heartbrand are completely unfounded. For most of his guild, EQ is their life. They will be pissed but they will not quit [4].

Sorry not sorry. Facts + Truth + Science = Wipe

I disagree with your OPINIONS, cause you stated no facts.


[1] - Have you been conducting exit surveys or something or is this just your opinion?

[2] - Fair assessment, but again have you been collecting in game zone census data?

[3] - Why is it a losing argument? Is Nihilum really that good of a guild? All day, every day, in /ooc and on the forums we hear about is how Nihilum is terrible at every aspect of the game, which leads me to logically conclude that anyone who can't beat them is even worse.

[4] - Maybe true, but if the server was wiped, I would not return, and are you really sure wiping the server would bring in more players then it would drive away? In my OPINION, I don't think it would.


Anyhow, none of this really matters since the Devs have said there will be no wipe. I am just bored and killing time, so I decided "why not ForumQuest!"

[GrobbGangsta]

I disagree with your OPINIONS, cause you stated no facts.


[1] - Have you been conducting exit surveys or something or is this just your opinion?

[2] - Fair assessment, but again have you been collecting in game zone census data?

[3] - Why is it a losing argument? Is Nihilum really that good of a guild? All day, every day, in /ooc and on the forums we hear about is how Nihilum is terrible at every aspect of the game, which leads me to logically conclude that anyone who can't beat them is even worse.

[4] - Maybe true, but if the server was wiped, I would not return, and are you really sure wiping the server would bring in more players then it would drive away? In my OPINION, I don't think it would.


Anyhow, none of this really matters since the Devs have said there will be no wipe. I am just bored and killing time, so I decided "why not ForumQuest!"

#'s 1 and 2 need no "data" because all must one do to confirm is simply log on.

As to #3, people say individual players in Nihilum are bad, not the guild as a whole. Impossible to argue that as a whole the guild with all the gear, zones, members on lockdown is "bad." The point is that there is simply no competition./

As to #4, you are right, and you will all get to keep your pixels on a low populated server with no competition. Have fun farming wands/pots/soulfires for the limited pvp engagements.

I didn't say a wipe would happen, I said it would solve all the problems that people bitch about, which are all the result of a shitty server that needs to be wiped.

[greenkrak2]

and theres a storm comin, i can feel it

[Tomato King6]

7 pages? really

heartbrand just wants a new server to cry about, since no one listens to him in wow.

he cant get enough attention there since his cries are muffled by everyone elses cries.

Red is stale cause nihilum made it stale, enjoy

[SamwiseRed]

4 pages for forumquest elites.

[runlvlzero]

FV loot rules - everything trade able
Shared bank
Fast EXP

Shared Bank

Of course full item loot, bags and everything

Vanilla + legacy

None of the faggy nerfs and VLASSIC bullshit, custom legacy/vanilla + trilogy client or generic titanium with a few clean and non gay fixes and updates to the game

Warrens + Stonebrunt

======== Perfect hardcore mode server, Item's would trade, people would have a fresh start when they died if they were smart enough to bank their gear, the game wouldn't particularly favor melees/vs casters as bad as the custom classic patch release crap we have now etc... server would be pretty MUD like.

[Gustoo]

^ woahwoahwoah

Don't go posting thoughtful ideas around here. We ain't got time for that.

That sounds like a good server to me. We don't need kunark for a long time. I always felt it was ruahed on pvp99 to try to give the server vitality. A vain attempt since what everyone really wanted was fixes for the basics.

What seems like a reasonable option for a non discord server would be to make a new PvP server alongside the current one and just see what people would rather play. If the new server fails to work out...we can all crawl back to r99 dregs which are pretty cool anyways. Can't lose.

You all can find me on the new server as a cleric named gustoo.

[Tomato King6]

HEARTBRAND RUINS HIS OWN SERVER THEN WANTS NEW ONE

WAAA

[klant]

I would prefer perma death
I bet you would like that. Join the super zerg, keep high end population down, pve all day everyday with even less competition. boost HB ego

[SamwiseRed]

FV loot rules - everything trade able
Shared bank
Fast EXP


RMTers wet dream

[Clark]

I think we can all agree that red and boxes in general, at least until velious, is/are pretty stale. I was thinking about what the most fun part of a box is and for me it's that first month when everyone is new and he newb zones are packed. Why not have a perma death discord server with scoreboard etc.? Seems ez to do, have no gm intervention apart from hacking, prosper.

ya that was fun

[heartbrand]

Discord server was some of the most fun I've had in any game ever, even with all the cheating. Imagine the ForumQuest when someone's level 50 gets killed back down to level 1.

[STILLnotMORNIN]

Discord server was some of the most fun I've had in any game ever, even with all the cheating. Imagine the ForumQuest when someone's level 50 gets killed back down to level 1.

chuck says seek help immediately.

[runlvlzero]

RMTers wet dream

We already have rogue epic 1.0 and fungi MQ's, what more is there to just making them drop able? Fungis already trad-able.

The fear of loosing it would stop RMT in its tracks. If anyone could loose anything. It would be very risky to RMT that stuff. Levels or anything.

Really its the ultimate MUD like scenario.

[Tomato King6]

so code your own server or stfu why you posting here? Who do you think is going to code a server I mean really.

[runlvlzero]

I'm just saying it could be done and it would work. U want to host the bitch?

[pharmakos]

FV loot rules - everything trade able

this plus Rallos loot rules -- loot one item on PVP death