Makeleader not classic [Archive]

pallius

08-03-2013, 01:22 AM

So................................................ ......

Hate to say it, but yeah.

Certainly complicates raid dynamics. But its true.

Thulack

08-03-2013, 01:24 AM

pretty sure this has been brought up in the Bug section already. could probably search for it.

Langrisser

08-03-2013, 01:27 AM

Keep up the good detective work for those gamebreaking nonclassic changes that dont matter.

How about roaming mobs never mem wiping and duck not killing cast bar :P

Ciroco

08-03-2013, 01:33 AM

Does anyone really care about these things? Were people begging for track to be nerfed? I just don't get it.

Kimmie

08-03-2013, 01:36 AM

Does anyone really care about these things?

Boilon

08-03-2013, 01:37 AM

Does anyone really care about these things? Were people begging for track to be nerfed? I just don't get it.

people cared enough to bring up the compass.... don't doubt the nerds of P99.

t0lkien

08-03-2013, 01:40 AM

It's not nerdy to want the classic experience on a classic server. It's is however kind of weird to play on a classic server and want things that make it easier, and not classic...

Kimmie

08-03-2013, 01:46 AM

It's not nerdy to want the classic experience on a classic server. It's is however kind of weird to play on a classic server and want things that make it easier, and not classic...

There's significantly easier (e.g. compass, though I miss it), and then there's just null and void changes which essentially do not affect anything (e.g. /makeleader).

long hair, don't care

Tasslehofp99

08-03-2013, 01:46 AM

Imo ventrilo/voice chat is non classic too!
Shit ruins my immersion.

sulpher01

08-03-2013, 01:50 AM

There's significantly easier (e.g. compass, though I miss it), and then there's just null and void changes which essentially do not affect anything (e.g. /makeleader).

long hair, don't care

Basically this, classics great, but some things just don't matter... like this one, op is just trolling (as seen by the general post, not bugs post) :D

Kimmie

08-03-2013, 01:52 AM

Basically this, classics great, but some things just don't matter... like this one, op is just trolling (as seen by the general post, not bugs post) :D

We can only hope.

And pray.

And wish.

Regardless, you are good man for giving OP an out.

Peekae

08-03-2013, 01:55 AM

voip is classic enough

Roger wilco man

pallius

08-03-2013, 02:16 AM

It doesn't bother me. I just happened to do makeleader transfers and shit for some cohs and was thinking "oh, so much easier than it used to be"

Laugher

08-03-2013, 02:42 AM

NOT CLASSIC?!

enr4ged

08-03-2013, 05:48 AM

Put in a bug report on the bug forums with your proof if this is the case.

Swish

08-03-2013, 06:02 AM

I use /makeleader 24/7, yolo swag...

http://i.imgur.com/cIJoCtl.gif

t0lkien

08-03-2013, 06:07 AM

The proof is here - /makeleader introduced in a 2002 patch:

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/history/patches-2002-2.html

runlvlzero

08-03-2013, 06:40 AM

Batphones not classic

So is guixml errors on drop transfer, not classic, conspiracy? (Btw it never happens unless you do a drop transfer)

t0lkien

08-03-2013, 06:59 AM

Batphones not classic

You're kidding, right? Batphone is not only classic, it's the very definition of it.

Bugs aside, I don't care about /makeleader and the ilk personally, but if you're going to go classic you can't start making exceptions or it's a slippery slide and you may as well give it up altogether. There's a reason p99 is the most popular server, and this is it.

anotherone

08-03-2013, 07:48 AM

Imo ventrilo/voice chat is non classic too!
Shit ruins my immersion.

Barkingturtle

08-03-2013, 07:54 AM

Does anyone really care about these things? .

Nilbog cares.

myriverse

08-03-2013, 08:19 AM

people cared enough to bring up the compass.... don't doubt the nerds of P99.
Compass had it coming. It was all up in your face.

You're kidding, right? Batphone is not only classic, it's the very definition of it.
Indeed. Batphones are ancient. It's just that their technology has improved a bit. I remember one of the deciding factors of my choice of job back in 2000 was that it was within walking distance of my house (2 miles), so I could drive home really quick for EQ when I got the call.

Besides, that's something outside of the game, and beyond the Devs.

I'm sure some people were using Roger Wilco before GameSpy bought it, but I didn't know any.

Tasslehofp99

08-03-2013, 09:03 AM

Cecily

08-03-2013, 10:06 AM

Yeah I'd rather have VP be regarded as a real zone with like.. rules than focus on this trivial stuff.

zanderklocke

08-03-2013, 10:27 AM

You're kidding, right? Batphone is not only classic, it's the very definition of it.

How is this possible? Variance didn't exist.

Rhuma7

08-03-2013, 10:28 AM

Well, if /makeleader is "nerfed" to classicness before ranged weapons are "buffed" to actually have a delay before hit. Fuck you.

t0lkien

08-03-2013, 10:46 AM

How is this possible? Variance didn't exist.

Server crashes were longed for, and farmed immediately no matter what time the server came back up. You better believe the top guilds had a batphone chain.

Loud

08-03-2013, 11:15 AM

You're kidding, right? Batphone is not only classic, it's the very definition of it.

Bugs aside, I don't care about /makeleader and the ilk personally, but if you're going to go classic you can't start making exceptions or it's a slippery slide and you may as well give it up altogether. There's a reason p99 is the most popular server, and this is it.

LordSterben

08-03-2013, 11:17 AM

I agree. /makeleader kills the realism of the game. In real life you can't just tell someone to take charge of a team of people. They have to walk away and cease to be a cohesive group so that the new leader can bring them back together one by one.

....wait...??

YendorLootmonkey

08-03-2013, 11:27 AM

Does anyone really care about these things? Were people begging for track to be nerfed? I just don't get it.

There's a meta-game "NerfQuest", much like ForumQuest, being played here where people feast on everyone's tears when they can find something like /makeleader to nerf "to classic" when we have some incorrect interpretation of classic "no CSR" zones being perverted into "trains are okay" that isn't classic and are game-ruining for everyone but one guild.

Gadwen

08-03-2013, 12:29 PM

When is someone going to find proof that training wasn't allowed in Veeshan's Peak?

"No CSR" did not mean training was allowed, just meant if your corpse wasn't recoverable GM's weren't going to assist you.

Has this been spoken about before on the forums?

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=97723

"GM Rule book from Kunark/ Velious - Limited CS Zones"

Thulack

08-03-2013, 12:31 PM

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=88318

Randy

08-03-2013, 12:32 PM

Imo ventrilo/voice chat is non classic too!
Shit ruins my immersion.

+1

Rhuma7

08-03-2013, 12:38 PM

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=97723

"GM Rule book from Kunark/ Velious - Limited CS Zones"

lim·it·ed
/ˈlimitid/
Adjective

Restricted in size, amount, or extent; few, small, or short: "a limited number of places are available".

no
/nō/
Adverb
Not at all; to no extent: "they were no more able to perform the task than I was".

Treefall

08-03-2013, 12:41 PM

Imo ventrilo/voice chat is non classic too!
Shit ruins my immersion.

I don't know about you...but I used Roger Wilco back in the day...

Gadwen

08-03-2013, 12:47 PM

lim·it·ed
/ˈlimitid/
Adjective

Restricted in size, amount, or extent; few, small, or short: "a limited number of places are available".

no
/nō/
Adverb
Not at all; to no extent: "they were no more able to perform the task than I was".

There weren't any "no CSR" zones on live

Rhuma7

08-03-2013, 01:07 PM

There weren't any "no CSR" zones on live

That was my point, to an extent. P99 has adapted a NO CSR stance towards VP and this will be a real mother fucker in velious. Flurry drakes will destroy any raid.

I also don't understand the stance in general. They say they dont want to baby sit the top guilds, well, dont be a bunch of jealous assholes and train other guilds that beat you to an ecounter or were next in line after your wipe.

If you train a guild, you(the person who did it, not the guild) get suspended, do it again and get banned. I just don't see how big of a hassle it is when its pretty cut n dry. If any zone needed actual GM attention for training, logically I would think it would be end game raids and not training orcs in crushbone. The reality is, its completely ass backwards.

Tasslehofp99

08-03-2013, 01:25 PM

There's a meta-game "NerfQuest", much like ForumQuest, being played here where people feast on everyone's tears when they can find something like /makeleader to nerf "to classic" when we have some incorrect interpretation of classic "no CSR" zones being perverted into "trains are okay" that isn't classic and are game-ruining for everyone but one guild.

Yes!

xarzzardorn

08-03-2013, 01:28 PM

young lawyering for "no csr" changes isnt going to work because the staff have decide to have it that way for reasons other than "most classic". the policy for velious probably hasn't been finalized

sulpher01

08-03-2013, 01:42 PM