Song haste stacking

[Teeroyoyort]

Yes or no? I"m not talking overhaste. I need to know so I can pick my songs correctly when grouping with an enchanter.

[Jify]

Should be no.

[guineapig]

I thought haste can be stacked like this:

1 song, 1 spell, 1 item

Is that not the case?

I guess I should ask you to clarify your question. DO you mean stacking haste songs or stacking a haste song with enchanter haste?

[Jify]

1 Song/spell haste
1 item haste
1 overhaste

[Deric]

Jify is correct. :)

Bards do not get a stackable haste until Velious. However, this haste(Ervaj) does not go over the cap. Songs that could put you over the cap were not until Luclin.(Vah Shir)

[mmiles8]

Enchanter haste (with the exception of aug) provides no stats. All of your songs provide stats on top of the haste effect. You will still receive the stat benefit, and should weigh this when considering your lineup.

[guineapig]

Thanks for the clarification.
That's actually not bad, considering the AC, resist and DS songs that are often not twisted in groups due to always twisting the haste song.

One more question, which overwrites which?

Example:

Enchanter casts Quickness on the group, then bard sings Jonthan's Whistling Warsong.
Which haste is being used?
Is it always whatever the highest haste %?

Another example:

Jonthan's Whistling Warsong
versus
Augmentation

Which stats end up being used?

[Rogean]

Theres physical stacking and actual effect stacking / precedence.
The songs should physically stack with, for example, enchanter haste, however only the highest haste percentage will be used. Even if it doesn't use the haste from the song due to having another buff with higher haste, it will still apply other effects from that song, provided they aren't also over precedented.

[Uaellaen]

should only use the one with the highest % haste iirc ...


EDIT: damn you for posting 30 sec before me!

[frefaln]

This thread is awesome. A good question, followed by a couple good follow-up questions, and a solid answer. I dig it.

Let's lock it so we have our first flame-free thread!

[Tiggles]

This thread is awesome. A good question, followed by a couple good follow-up questions, and a solid answer. I dig it.

Let's lock it so we have our first flame-free thread!

1. Add Breeze
2. Add Luclin
3. Stop camping raid mobs
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5. This is not Classic

[frefaln]

D'oh!

[guineapig]

Theres physical stacking and actual effect stacking / precedence.
The songs should physically stack with, for example, enchanter haste, however only the highest haste percentage will be used. Even if it doesn't use the haste from the song due to having another buff with higher haste, it will still apply other effects from that song, provided they aren't also over precedented.

Thank you for the answers everybody!
I used to know all this stuff, but that was a long time ago.

[Icecometus]

What provides overhaste in classic?

[mmiles8]

What provides overhaste in classic?

Nothing. The first overhastes are the Ervaj line. The first one will come at 60 (Kunark), the second one will come at 50(Velious).

[MorganTPSO]

Sorry to go off topic, but does anyone remember when bard mez stopped blocking chanter mez and the longer duration mez just kepts the mob mezd, even if the other one wore off? Think it was around the same time slow started to stack and whichever was the higher/longer duration stayed on the mob.

-Morgn

[Rogean]

Ervaj isn't overhaste, its haste v2, so it stacks with v1, but it still caps at 100. Only Haste v3 goes over 100 (max of 125).

[guineapig]

i c

This all makes much more sense now.
I was also a bit confused about haste stacking/overhaste.

[Deric]

Yeah, Overhaste won't exist on this server as far as I understand it.(Overhaste songs do not come out till Luclin)

People get confused with the stacked version vs. overhaste. At level 60 you cannot exceed 100% haste.

[Teeroyoyort]

So in Kunark a bard could twist v1 and v2 haste? or enc haste + V2 haste?

[Deric]

So in Kunark a bard could twist v1 and v2 haste? or enc haste + V2 haste?

Nope, not until Velious. But yes, that's how it would stack. :)

[Teeroyoyort]

Ervaj isn't overhaste, its haste v2, so it stacks with v1, but it still caps at 100. Only Haste v3 goes over 100 (max of 125).

Anthem is v2 http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?id=701

Vilia's is v2 http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?id=740

Verses of Victory v2 http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?id=747&source=Live

The self haste songs seem to be v1. So these v2 songs that we currently have should stack with enchanter haste. Which makes bards nicer to group with ;p. Let me know if I'm not getting it.

[Chicka]

Thank you for the answers everybody!
I used to know all this stuff, but that was a long time ago.

Yea I was an eq encyclopedia back in the day but I find these days even what I remember for sure may be chronologically jumbled - so many things changed over the years in eq.