Hosting a new server..? [Archive]

Snizatcher

08-21-2013, 04:40 PM

This has obviously been beat to death. But with the population of R99 below 100 daily and amount of plat/items being amassed by few increasing daily on P99 it begs the question.

How much would hosting a new server cost Rogean and crew? I mean, if people are willing to go out and spend 100's of dollars on plat through RMT, who's to say they wouldn't be willing to donate towards a fresh start and a refreshed timeline towards Velious. What has been built over the last 4 years has been nothing short of incredible. What has been done has been attempted and dreamed of by many and was finally accomplished here. But, with the stall of Velious and originally Kunark things have bottlenecked and created something very, well, not classic?

So, what would it cost? I am in the ewaste business and carry a fairly large amount of old/used server, networking equipment etc. What is necessary? Is it worth doing it? Is there enough interest in it?

Just trying to focus the conversation a bit on something that is more realistic than a wipe. Take the financial burden off the Devs and place it squarely on the players. Enough moaning and groaning.

runlvlzero

08-21-2013, 04:46 PM

Hi I'm from Red but I use to play here on blue before things got kinda crazy.

If the blue server folks would like a new server. I would love to see them get a new server. A fresh start is always great. I think blue has enough people to potentially support another server and there would be great competition while people got their first 60's again.

The journey is whats fun. And new servers are the best for that =)

Snizatcher

08-21-2013, 04:49 PM

I lost count how many times Sony released new servers giving people the opportunity to "start over". The only difference being no progression. It was jumping into a server that was already in Kunark, Velious, SoL, PoP, etc.

It's obviously unfair to put this burden on the team that has given us so much. Why not do a kickstarter? Even add in server protection from DDoS.. Do whatever that would be done if it could be done over...

heals4reals

08-21-2013, 04:50 PM

N8ce2meetu

Sarius

08-21-2013, 05:06 PM

Snizatcher

08-21-2013, 05:11 PM

I don't think that this is a good idea right now. You will just divide the population of blue and a similar raiding situation would easily arise on blue2. I would rather play on our one amazing server than have two mediocre ones. Just my two cp.

This has to have been considered by SOE when they were contemplating adding new servers. What's so amazing about this experiment (p99 that is) is the population is over 1000 during primetime in the summer. Wait till people come back from summertime. It's pretty incredible considering there isn't a single 2 box on the server ::coughs::.

I would love to see a chart of how the population has ebbed and flowed throughout it's lifetime. But, one would have to guess that EQNext's popularity has had a very positive impact on this servers health. If there ever was a time to consider releasing a new Blue server. It would be now.

Why would either server be mediocre? If you are looking to recapture the experience you had playing EQ over a decade ago, there is nothing better than this. It is an absolutely beautiful thing. Many people are enjoying leveling up now. However, they are being burdened with a lot of negativity that players never had to face all those years ago. End game/Raiding could be obtained by anyone who was willing to put in the time. Now, people are being told don't bother.. it's not worth working towards. A little sad if you ask me.

Run said it best. The journey is what it's all about. However, making it to 50 or 60 always had a purpose. Velious spread the endgame out considerably. Which was great! However, the way the game has bottlenecked and the amount of players at max level Velious is going to end up being more of the same.

Zyn

08-21-2013, 05:13 PM

I would be willing to donate for something like this.

Not that I don't already LOVE the server that we have, but to a certain extent, a lot is monopolized and a certain number of people control the economy due to their insane amount of platinum with the ability to buy/sell on command.

Sarius

08-21-2013, 05:17 PM

I think that the population decrease would make the sever mediocre. Instead of a sever with 1000, maybe you would have two with 500. What happens during off hours, maybe 200 a piece? How long would it be before the "hardcore" crowd hit the level cap on a new server? Two days? A week? 99% of the new population would never see a manastone or guise. What exactly are you after?

Swish

08-21-2013, 05:23 PM

Everyone that didn't start on day 1 wants a new server, but there just isn't the population to split people among 3 servers...thanks for flogging this very dead horse...

http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2011/122/7/8/beating_a_dead_horse_by_potatoehuman-d3fead4.jpg

Swish

08-21-2013, 05:26 PM

Feel free to head over to EpicEmu and play there... I'm sure Kegz will blow a fuse and wipe the server at some point.

It might even get out of beta with a bit of luck...

Estu

08-21-2013, 05:28 PM

Yeah, it's not going to happen because there isn't the population or staff to support it. GMs have said as much.

Lyra

08-21-2013, 05:31 PM

Feel free to head over to EpicEmu and play there... I'm sure Kegz will blow a fuse and wipe the server at some point.

It might even get out of beta with a bit of luck...

I heard the other day it went "private".

Aaron

08-21-2013, 05:31 PM

It's not going to happen because the GMs have no desire to do it.

Has nothing to do with population or funds or anything else. It just won't happen.

/thread

mtb tripper

08-21-2013, 05:33 PM

yes

Aaron

08-21-2013, 05:33 PM

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1057533&postcount=84

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1067760&postcount=2

Sarius

08-21-2013, 05:37 PM

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1057533&postcount=84

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1067760&postcount=2

Well played sir, well played

xexbis0

08-21-2013, 05:49 PM

It's not going to happen because the GMs have no desire to do it.

Has nothing to do with population or funds or anything else. It just won't happen.

/thread

Pretty much this. Anyone who thinks a new server wouldn't cause a 80/20 population split is delusional and they know this. People would jump at the chance to get out of TMO's litterbox and leave them to play in their own filth. It would be the ultimate troll on the biggest group of trolls on the server and most of us would relish it. TMO would lord over a desolate wasteland with their 200+ accounts and it would be magical.

That said, it is what it is. The GMs would never piss in the TMO cheerios, and they know a server split would do exactly that. It's a wet dream at best. Most of us are waiting, chomping at the bit, for the chance to laugh at TMO and their efforts being brought to ruins. You serve enough vitriol, eventually it's bound to come back to you. Looking to the GMs to solve the problem by basically backstabbing their biggest friends/contributors on the server is a bad plan. So I am what most of us are, playing anyways, because TMO's litterbox is still better than any of the new age MMO's and their easymode BS.

nilbog

08-21-2013, 06:05 PM

Pretty much this. Anyone who thinks a new server wouldn't cause a 80/20 population split is delusional and they know this. People would jump at the chance to get out of TMO's litterbox and leave them to play in their own filth. It would be the ultimate troll on the biggest group of trolls on the server and most of us would relish it. TMO would lord over a desolate wasteland with their 200+ accounts and it would be magical.

That said, it is what it is. The GMs would never piss in the TMO cheerios, and they know a server split would do exactly that. It's a wet dream at best. Most of us are waiting, chomping at the bit, for the chance to laugh at TMO and their efforts being brought to ruins. You serve enough vitriol, eventually it's bound to come back to you. Looking to the GMs to solve the problem by basically backstabbing their biggest friends/contributors on the server is a bad plan. So I am what most of us are, playing anyways, because TMO's litterbox is still better than any of the new age MMO's and their easymode BS.

LOL. Do people actually think this? If you aren't joking, you're wrong as hell if you think opening or closing a server would be influenced by guilds or individuals.

Aaron

08-21-2013, 06:06 PM

I'm not sure how it has anything to do with TMO either actually.

Edit: nilbog beat me to it.

Aaron

08-21-2013, 06:09 PM

LOL. Do people actually think this?

And no. Nobody actually thinks this. Just the tinfoil hat wearers.

Ephi

08-21-2013, 06:17 PM

While we're on the topic: I don't think people know the difference between the server decision makers (Nilbog, Rogean), GM staff, and developers.

sawin

08-21-2013, 06:33 PM

LOL. Do people actually think this? If you aren't joking, you're wrong as hell if you think opening or closing a server would be influenced by guilds or individuals.

I think it is carrying the logic a bit far to say that there is any link between server staff, TMO, and a new server outside of the fact that many people would like a chance to escape p99's dominated raid scene to one that perhaps would have a gm-enforceable "gentlemen's agreement" about the one thing *90% of people on this server play for (raiding).

*83% of statistics made up on the spot

Aaron

08-21-2013, 06:37 PM

I'd prefer to see real change in the raid scene rather than a new server.

Anderdale

08-21-2013, 06:56 PM

Pretty much this. Anyone who thinks a new server wouldn't cause a 80/20 population split is delusional and they know this. People would jump at the chance to get out of TMO's litterbox and leave them to play in their own filth. It would be the ultimate troll on the biggest group of trolls on the server and most of us would relish it. TMO would lord over a desolate wasteland with their 200+ accounts and it would be magical.

That said, it is what it is. The GMs would never piss in the TMO cheerios, and they know a server split would do exactly that. It's a wet dream at best. Most of us are waiting, chomping at the bit, for the chance to laugh at TMO and their efforts being brought to ruins. You serve enough vitriol, eventually it's bound to come back to you. Looking to the GMs to solve the problem by basically backstabbing their biggest friends/contributors on the server is a bad plan. So I am what most of us are, playing anyways, because TMO's litterbox is still better than any of the new age MMO's and their easymode BS.

hate to tell you but TMO would just come to the new server and rule it. but at least I would have a chance at a guise or manastone

Aaron

08-21-2013, 07:15 PM

hate to tell you but TMO would just come to the new server and rule it. but at least I would have a chance at a guise or manastone

You think you would? I promise the manastone camp would be locked down like it was on this server by IB. Penoy had 8 at one point I remember.

The Ass/Supp wasn't locked down because I guess people didn't remember how cool it is to have a guise - but it would definitely be locked down on a new server. And it would be locked down by the same people that are in TMO - that is, the people that have 24 hrs/day to spend on a game at a camp.

Erasong

08-21-2013, 08:39 PM

i wouldnt mind a week or two of some classic item drops again!

Classicranger

08-21-2013, 09:02 PM

i wouldnt mind a week or two of some classic item drops again!

This. Just re open some of the classic items for a bit.

Weekapaug

08-21-2013, 09:08 PM

You think you would? I promise the manastone camp would be locked down like it was on this server by IB. Penoy had 8 at one point I remember.

The Ass/Supp wasn't locked down because I guess people didn't remember how cool it is to have a guise - but it would definitely be locked down on a new server. And it would be locked down by the same people that are in TMO - that is, the people that have 24 hrs/day to spend on a game at a camp.

Yes, but at least this time around they (and by "they" I don't mean those people specificly just the people who started p99 early in general) won't have access to all the non-classic bugs and features that were still in place the first year-ish the server was live.

I've been here for over 3 years and, yes, missed some of the content I would have liked to be around for like rubicite and manastones, etc....But people who started early didn't just have the advantage of starting early, they got to use maps, target circles, translocators, a compass, etc etc. Just some examples, there was a bug that pretty much let charming classes perma-charm anything or the Ivandyr's hoop deal or that the bazillion monks got to buy Wu's armor or the fact that you can currently get cultural armor that rivals planar armor for cheap because it doesn't require high end gems, etc etc etc....and THAT is how lot's of people locked down mobs, amassed fortunes in plat, althewhile RMTing and boxing (they weren't as good at detecting that then), etc giving them an advantage that newer players will never have....By using NON CLASSIC bugs and mechanics and, by the rules of this server, outright CHEATS not just by starting earlier than others.

Not to mention, kunark has been out for about twice as long as kunark was live before velious and the server is so inflated it's ridiculous, and we still have no word on when velious will be here. There is nothing remotely classic about getting in oasis groups with epiced alts.

Mostly, I just like starting fresh, especially on fresh servers.

So, yes, if they were up for it I would donate generously for a new server.

Anderdale

08-21-2013, 09:27 PM

fastboy21

08-21-2013, 09:39 PM

the server would lose credibility if the GMs randomly decided to let stuff like this happen.

at best, a gm event that gave classic items as a reward would be reasonable imo...and rarely.

Snizatcher

08-21-2013, 09:53 PM

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1057533&postcount=84

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1067760&postcount=2

There is no way this was their vision. I have good equipment. I am content. I just look around and I see a lot of very dejected people top to bottom. The loudest voices on the forums are those who are content and are most active in game. To be real honest, who is really playing this game with TMO? Would it really matter if no one else was here? Look at Nihilum on R99. Is there really a difference between the two?

I get it. Nilbog and Rogean said they have no interest in expanding. There is enough work to be done and expanding would just be another step towards this being a job more than a hobby. This project has been a labor of love and we have reaped the benefits of that labor. I am trying my best to express my appreciation without sounding ungrateful.

They have both built an amazing community. People are showing up 4 years later to enjoy what they have made and more are showing up everyday. People want to give back, people want to help in anyway they can. But people want a chance, an opportunity to enjoy it the way you intended them to.

The main question in my original post is what would it take? More population? A specific amount of $? More GMs? More assistance with development?

Aaron

08-21-2013, 10:32 PM

That was 2 years ago. A lot has changed in 2 years.

Both of those posts I quoted were less than a month old. Not 2 years ago.

The main question in my original post is what would it take? More population? A specific amount of $? More GMs? More assistance with development?

It will not take anything. The devs have no desire to take on a new server right now. You can offer money, population, GMs, blowjobs, etc. There is nothing holding them back except a lack of desire to do it.

Snizatcher

08-21-2013, 10:39 PM

Both of those posts I quoted were less than a month old. Not 2 years ago.

You are absolutely right... ugh. I viewed them on my phone while I was out before I thought I saw it say 2011.

Aaron

08-21-2013, 10:43 PM

Make a post asking when Velious is coming out. That thread topic is about as beaten to death as this one.

Snizatcher

08-21-2013, 11:04 PM

Make a post asking when Velious is coming out. That thread topic is about as beaten to death as this one.

I'll pass on that... That's a matter of impatience.. That will happen when it's ready.

Sephyre

08-21-2013, 11:31 PM

This would be amazing, but I don't blame the devs/staff for not wanting to sink even more resources into this.

I would play on it though :)

eqgmrdbz

08-22-2013, 12:06 AM

mtb tripper

08-22-2013, 12:07 AM

More than the drops and shit i just want a fresh community of players man all starting out, plenty of groups, tons of peole in newbie areas pvping and whatnot

Weekapaug

08-22-2013, 12:32 AM

All the peeps that keep saying they would like a new server to get a crack at a Guise or Manastone, really, thats the attitude that is prevalent in the server now. Everyone wants leet drops, but if thats all you want, then theres no point in making a new server, because like peeps have said its just going to be a clone of what we have now.

Again, people would have to start and advance without NON CLASSIC gear, features, and mechanics. IMO, GAME BREAKING mechanics like permanently charmed pets, revamped dot stacking rules, root and snare stacking, etc etc etc. And not being able to box, RMT (they are better at catching that now), or sell accounts. The damage those things did and do to the server economy are irreparable and simply nerfing things and making new policies doesn't undo the damage done retroactively.

It has nothing to do with "leet drops" but a clean fresh start in the actual, or closer at least, classic environment we have now after almost 4 years of development and experience of the server staff. The people who camped those "leet drops" and who got to the top first, did so in a NON CLASSIC environment with NON CLASSIC mechanics and many of them CHEATED because it wasn't as easy to get caught then. It's not about drops.

mtb tripper

08-22-2013, 12:35 AM

they will open another server sometime or another, probably a year or two after velious release

jcr4990

08-22-2013, 12:42 AM

Speaking as someone that's only started playing here like 2 weeks ago. It's very easy for me to say I'd love to see a new server go up. It's very overwhelming how far behind I am and its easy to feel like I will NEVER catch up or be on equal footing to those that have been around a while no matter how much I play. I'm sitting here with like ~100pp to my name with spells that cost ~14pp per spell and trying to buy gear upgrades in EC when even mediocre items cost ~500pp+ cause of RMT inflation. It's a bit disheartening but what can ya do? Would be really nice to get a fresh start so that everyone that started playing post-launch has a chance at being a cool kid. But I think we're getting our hopes up for nothing. Will probably never happen.

Even for all its faults. This game is still way better than all the modern mmo crap alternatives that we have.

Gimp

08-22-2013, 12:47 AM

I'm with ya jcr. Only been here for a few weeks, and I love the nostalgia, but I hate how incredibly far behind I obviously am. That, and every meaningful mob is camped 24/7 by people for MQ's and for their mule to buy more fungis.

Oh well, it is what it is I guess. Would love to camp my JBoots myself, but after checking every day for the last week and a half only to see the usual MQ'ers there, I give up.

Reapin

08-22-2013, 12:48 AM

Just make TMO their own server.

brybear

08-22-2013, 12:53 AM

As someone not in TMO all I have to contribute is: QQQQQQQQQQQQQQ

Zhaige

08-22-2013, 12:59 AM

I would like a chance at classic items like the Guise and Manastone, and would love to start with everyone at lvl1 again. How long did Guise and Manastone even last before going no longer dropped?

Also, I remember in Live Classic, in events where items were available that would not be available in the near future, queuing systems were set up by the players where you would simply just wait in line until it is your turn for the next drop. Why is that not done here? Are people here really that greedy?

DarkwingDuck

08-22-2013, 01:03 AM

Yup
A lot of douchbags
That's why thousands have quit. P99 is fantastic.. The raid scene is 1 step above sleeping face down in puke

webrunner5

08-22-2013, 11:33 AM

Again, people would have to start and advance without NON CLASSIC gear, features, and mechanics. IMO, GAME BREAKING mechanics like permanently charmed pets, revamped dot stacking rules, root and snare stacking, etc etc etc. And not being able to box, RMT (they are better at catching that now), or sell accounts. The damage those things did and do to the server economy are irreparable and simply nerfing things and making new policies doesn't undo the damage done retroactively.

It has nothing to do with "leet drops" but a clean fresh start in the actual, or closer at least, classic environment we have now after almost 4 years of development and experience of the server staff. The people who camped those "leet drops" and who got to the top first, did so in a NON CLASSIC environment with NON CLASSIC mechanics and many of them CHEATED because it wasn't as easy to get caught then. It's not about drops.

What he said. 2 to 3 years ago this was a Totally different server. No pet penalty, DS that lasted 15 minutes, stun spells that really stunned lol, etc, etc.