Server Transfer [Population]

[Producer]

It is not my intention to make waves or post something already written. However I think there should be a one time allocated transfer from BLUE 2 RED or RED 2 BLUE to help boost the population on either side. It will obviously be Sirken or Rogean decision on what they do with the said items & money they travel over with. However if they come over with gear I for one don't care at this point, it would be nice to have another 25-50 more people to fight against or even to rival need I say it Nihilum. I respect the time they put into the box and it shouldn't matter what gear comes in to red at this point. Nihi' put in the time to get as far as they have however who can beat the top 40 people on the server when there is only 75-112 of us avg. a level higher than 50.


I am sure they're some better points I may have missed with this post I am just curious on everyone's thoughts on the topic I am sure it has been said before some where down the road. Plus server transfers where classic :)

[Dubs]

Producer 100% with ya great post! /bump

[heartbrand]

Couldn't agree more. I've been streaming raids to show how red could be a real enjoyable opportunity for even an entire blue guild who is sick of variance and poopsocking and FTE to make the switch. You don't have to really be into pvp to have a better experience on red than blue, particularly if you're in the "cock blocked by variance / TMO / FTE" category.

[Vexenu]

I propose an alternative: shut down Red, transfer all Red characters to Blue, and open a new PvP-Teams server with SZ ruleset.

Nihilum can choose to test their PvE chops versus TMO or restart with the rest of the PvPers.

Given the current situation on Blue, I can't imagine hundreds of players not taking the chance to start fresh on a new server. Population would stabilize at no less than 300-400 peak.

Starting the server soon would also give people a chance to make significant progress before Velious. If you wait until Velious comes out to launch a new server, all the returning players will flood Blue, because that where their geared characters are. Launch the new server now and many will return and start on it, knowing they have some time to gear a character up fresh for Velious.

Making the new server PvP-teams also adds an element that will help to address the major issue plaguing Blue: the jam-up at the high end game. PvP not only gives players something to do besides raid, it provides a direct way of solving raid drama without the need for GM involvement. Many blue players would be hesitant to start on a PvP server, but would take the chance if they had a good reason and felt like the new server would have enough of a population to give them some safety leveling up. Team PvP provides this degree of leveling safety by design, and launching the new server during a period of high dissatisfaction with Blue would provide the impetus many players need to give it a try, ensuring a high population.

In short, there has never been a better time for a PvP-Teams server. Red is not quite dead, but will never be anything more than it is now. There is zero incentive for new players to start there, and transfers are extremely problematic. Blue is what it is, everyone knows it. It's a fun, casual server for leveling up and reliving nostalgia, but after spending some time there the rot becomes apparent. The situation at the high end/raiding level with TMO's domination, combined with the server history of plat duping, RMT and account selling has left a bad taste in the mouths of many, causing them to walk away from the server once they got a character in the 50-60 range. Many of these people are not burned out on P1999 and classic EQ, they're simply burned out on Blue. Give them a chance to restart on a server that is guaranteed not to have the problems that Blue does now, or that Red did at its launch, and many will take advantage of it. I think it would be a big success and a lot of fun.

[Producer]

I propose an alternative: shut down Red, transfer all Red characters to Blue, and open a new PvP-Teams server with SZ ruleset.

Nihilum can choose to test their PvE chops versus TMO or restart with the rest of the PvPers.

Given the current situation on Blue, I can't imagine hundreds of players not taking the chance to start fresh on a new server. Population would stabilize at no less than 300-400 peak.

Starting the server soon would also give people a chance to make significant progress before Velious. If you wait until Velious comes out to launch a new server, all the returning players will flood Blue, because that where their geared characters are. Launch the new server now and many will return and start on it, knowing they have some time to gear a character up fresh for Velious.

Making the new server PvP-teams also adds an element that will help to address the major issue plaguing Blue: the jam-up at the high end game. PvP not only gives players something to do besides raid, it provides a direct way of solving raid drama without the need for GM involvement. Many blue players would be hesitant to start on a PvP server, but would take the chance if they had a good reason and felt like the new server would have enough of a population to give them some safety leveling up. Team PvP provides this degree of leveling safety by design, and launching the new server during a period of high dissatisfaction with Blue would provide the impetus many players need to give it a try, ensuring a high population.

In short, there has never been a better time for a PvP-Teams server. Red is not quite dead, but will never be anything more than it is now. There is zero incentive for new players to start there, and transfers are extremely problematic. Blue is what it is, everyone knows it. It's a fun, casual server for leveling up and reliving nostalgia, but after spending some time there the rot becomes apparent. The situation at the high end/raiding level with TMO's domination, combined with the server history of plat duping, RMT and account selling has left a bad taste in the mouths of many, causing them to walk away from the server once they got a character in the 50-60 range. Many of these people are not burned out on P1999 and classic EQ, they're simply burned out on Blue. Give them a chance to restart on a server that is guaranteed not to have the problems that Blue does now, or that Red did at its launch, and many will take advantage of it. I think it would be a big success and a lot of fun.

No disrespect, I just feel that would be a shit ton of work. I enjoy PvP red I would just like more people to PvP on red :)

[Deuces]

Only if they transfer naked w/o items.

[Producer]

Only if they transfer naked w/o items.


I shouldn't matter tbh, but I see the point believe me we are all on the same expansion ya know ?

[Dubs]

it would be fun to see some of the bigger blue guilds come over and put their skills to the test on red

[Potus]

Blue coming over with no drop gear would be fine.

[Tecmos Deception]

Transfers? Transfers WITHOUT DROPPABLES?

You guys don't fucking get it. Your server sucks and is dying (or already dead). But you come here and try to convince people on a thriving server to leave here to go to a shithole? Or better yet, to leave here and go to a shithole without any of the droppable gear they earned here?

YOUR server is the one that needs new blood. You should be begging to have COPIES from blue to red WITH full gear if you really are the badasses just looking for PvP that you claim to be.


Even if you did get some support for transfers with or without droppables, the vast majority of the (few) people who would move would just be moving characters they don't like anymore (and so probably won't stick with), or they'll be people who don't play blue anymore and maybe have some chance of liking red, or they'll be characters that belong to players who only play red anymore anyways.

[Dubs]

Transfers? Transfers WITHOUT DROPPABLES?

You guys don't fucking get it. Your server sucks and is dying (or already dead). But you come here and try to convince people on a thriving server to leave here to go to a shithole? Or better yet, to leave here and go to a shithole without any of the droppable gear they earned here?

YOUR server is the one that needs new blood. You should be begging to have COPIES from blue to red WITH full gear if you really are the badasses just looking for PvP that you claim to be.


Even if you did get some support for transfers with or without droppables, the vast majority of the (few) people who would move would just be moving characters they don't like anymore (and so probably won't stick with), or they'll be people who don't play blue anymore and maybe have some chance of liking red, or they'll be characters that belong to players who only play red anymore anyways.

No one suggested that, that is only their opinion. Besides its the GM decision and you don't have to X-fer if you don't want to.

[Porz]

I propose an alternative: shut down Red, transfer all Red characters to Blue, and open a new PvP-Teams server with SZ ruleset.

Nihilum can choose to test their PvE chops versus TMO or restart with the rest of the PvPers.

Given the current situation on Blue, I can't imagine hundreds of players not taking the chance to start fresh on a new server. Population would stabilize at no less than 300-400 peak.

Starting the server soon would also give people a chance to make significant progress before Velious. If you wait until Velious comes out to launch a new server, all the returning players will flood Blue, because that where their geared characters are. Launch the new server now and many will return and start on it, knowing they have some time to gear a character up fresh for Velious.

Making the new server PvP-teams also adds an element that will help to address the major issue plaguing Blue: the jam-up at the high end game. PvP not only gives players something to do besides raid, it provides a direct way of solving raid drama without the need for GM involvement. Many blue players would be hesitant to start on a PvP server, but would take the chance if they had a good reason and felt like the new server would have enough of a population to give them some safety leveling up. Team PvP provides this degree of leveling safety by design, and launching the new server during a period of high dissatisfaction with Blue would provide the impetus many players need to give it a try, ensuring a high population.

In short, there has never been a better time for a PvP-Teams server. Red is not quite dead, but will never be anything more than it is now. There is zero incentive for new players to start there, and transfers are extremely problematic. Blue is what it is, everyone knows it. It's a fun, casual server for leveling up and reliving nostalgia, but after spending some time there the rot becomes apparent. The situation at the high end/raiding level with TMO's domination, combined with the server history of plat duping, RMT and account selling has left a bad taste in the mouths of many, causing them to walk away from the server once they got a character in the 50-60 range. Many of these people are not burned out on P1999 and classic EQ, they're simply burned out on Blue. Give them a chance to restart on a server that is guaranteed not to have the problems that Blue does now, or that Red did at its launch, and many will take advantage of it. I think it would be a big success and a lot of fun.

This is the best suggestion I have read about this situation period! SZ Rules and a fresh start!

[Senamien]

End segregation now!!!!

[Tecmos Deception]

No one suggested that, that is only their opinion. Besides its the GM decision and you don't have to X-fer if you don't want to.

Did you read this thread?

I really don't care if they allow transfers or copies of any type whatsoever, because I know I don't have to do it. I probably wouldn't even make a copy with full droppables. I just hate the way the red players are constantly begging for players to come join their crappy, failed server because of how nice it would be for them to have more people to play with, but then a bunch of the red players are unwilling to have blues copy, or transfer with droppables, etc. If they want more players, then make it hard for blues to say "No" to coming to red. If they don't want more players, then please just gtfo of the blue forums with the recruitment/bravado/etc.

[Dubs]

LOL

[dagnam]

End segregation now!!!!

[Dubs]

as I read it transfers would go both ways you sound bias Tec

[Pringles]

I am fine with transfers from Blue to Red, but Red to blue = HELL no. You all have post-blue nerfed dropps, way easier exp rates, etc etc. It would jack up our economy and majorly devalue the items we have worked hard for here.

Sorry, you picked Red, stay off of Blue.

[Senamien]

I say it's a brilliant idea. MM is way too crowded on blue and way too empty on red.

Plus some people on blue want to be on red but don't want to give up all the effort they put n on blue and vice versa.

Or you may want to split the chars on a server and just transfer one toon to be able to play on both servers.

[Elderan]

Naked...

Okay no droppables and no gear above hate/fear/sky level.

[senna]

Red to blue? no fucking thanks. Your jacked up exp rates and zero competition

[Loli Pops]

Transfers should definitely be available. I mean come on, we've been in Kunark 2 years already. Transferring a character isn't going to make things any worse.

[Producer]

I am fine with transfers from Blue to Red, but Red to blue = HELL no. You all have post-blue nerfed dropps, way easier exp rates, etc etc. It would jack up our economy and majorly devalue the items we have worked hard for here.

Sorry, you picked Red, stay off of Blue.

Just didn't want to be bias. I was just suggesting the idea. I want to stay red believe me

[Elderan]

Just didn't want to be bias. I was just suggesting the idea. I want to stay red believe me

The amount of items on red is MUCH MUCH lower. Kunark has been out a lot less time and every major camp is camped on blue 24/7. Red might have a higher concentration of high end raid items on people but in total blue has a ton more hard to get items then red even comes close to.

Plus I agree, no no drop should transfer and no gear above poh/pof/sky should come or go.

[Tecmos Deception]

as I read it transfers would go both ways you sound bias Tec

OP only talks about red->blue as a smoke screen. He is talking about population boosts for red for the rest of his post. The people who play red don't want to come to blue.

The rest of the red posters in the thread flat out say stuff like "transfers with no drop only" or "transfers only if naked."

As I said, I'm not biased here because I really DGAF whether or how they do copies and/or transfers. I don't think more than a handful of people will exercise transfer options, and I don't think more than a handful of people would stick with red if they exercised a copy option. Why I am forceful on the issue was also explained already.

Did you read this thread?

[heartbrand]

Who the fuck would want to go from red to blue? I can get all the pixels I want without poopsocking on red why would I want to be available on call 24/7 for a shot at FTE in a 300 member guild with no challenge for a chance at pixels? Does not compute. So I can get cock blocked from all end game velious content by TMO and never get to experience it? I'd much rather be on red where I'm the master of my own destiny and have the ability to fight people for my pixels (even if the fight isn't there ATM) then have no remedy other than be first to attack a mob.

[Producer]

Who the fuck would want to go from red to blue? I can get all the pixels I want without poopsocking on red why would I want to be available on call 24/7 for a shot at FTE in a 300 member guild with no challenge for a chance at pixels? Does not compute. So I can get cock blocked from all end game velious content by TMO and never get to experience it? I'd much rather be on red where I'm the master of my own destiny and have the ability to fight people for my pixels (even if the fight isn't there ATM) then have no remedy other than be first to attack a mob.

I understand where you are coming from believe me the post was intended for mainly blue 2 red but why would you open a transfer only one way that's all. Zek merged and gave people the option to leave is all I was getting at really.

[Tecmos Deception]

Does anyone else think it's funny that so many of the red players pitch to recruit blue players is "come get your pixels by force rather than by tracking/batphoning/FTE!" when red has a raid guild that is as entrenched on there as TMO is on blue? That red players want naked blue transfers?

Entrenched, experienced, VP-geared red guild vs. naked blue transfers. But yeah guys, you'll totally be able to fight your way to raid pixels over there easier than you could track your way to pixels on blue.

Or their other pitch, "pvp is the ultimate challenge! it's fun! we just want more fites! yay!"... but they want you to come to the server naked, or at least as close to naked as they can get you.

[heartbrand]

The gear advantage in pvp provided by Kunark loot is miniscule. 75hp from a crown of rile is rather meaningless in the grand scope of things when you're being focused in 30v30 pvp. Nihilum raids on average with 22-30 people. If a blue guild in whole were to transfer, one well versed in the ways of pixels, they could easily compete with nihilum. It's not until end game velious that the gear advantage begins to get ridiculous and even then you can use faction to your advantage.

[Producer]

Does anyone else think it's funny that so many of the red players pitch to recruit blue players is "come get your pixels by force rather than by tracking/batphoning/FTE!" when red has a raid guild that is as entrenched on there as TMO is on blue? That red players want naked blue transfers?

Entrenched, experienced, VP-geared red guild vs. naked blue transfers. But yeah guys, you'll totally be able to fight your way to raid pixels over there easier than you could track your way to pixels on blue.

Or their other pitch, "pvp is the ultimate challenge! it's fun! we just want more fites! yay!"... but they want you to come to the server naked, or at least as close to naked as they can get you.


If you're not down with this post man say your peace and bounce no need to sit here and hold down the thread and just complain. Look just leave it to who ever wants to come join red let them. If not don't its that simple if GM's pass it then okay if not no need to rant about the item issue lol.

[Tecmos Deception]

The gear advantage in pvp provided by Kunark loot is miniscule. 75hp from a crown of rile is rather meaningless in the grand scope of things when you're being focused in 30v30 pvp. Nihilum raids on average with 22-30 people. If a blue guild in whole were to transfer, one well versed in the ways of pixels, they could easily compete with nihilum. It's not until end game velious that the gear advantage begins to get ridiculous and even then you can use faction to your advantage.

Alright, fair enough. I've made it no secret that I'm not well-versed in EQ PvP :)

[Auchae]

Only real issue I have with blue players transferring to red is the number of twinks in comparison. Blue is so overrun with epic'd rogues it's stupid.

One of the reasons I decided to switch to red.. Which is worse? Having as many mobs to kill as you want or fighting to even find a single mob once every 5 to 10 mins?

Not to mention the community is better on red. Sounds crazy, but it's true.

[Tecmos Deception]

Alright, I'll try this: why don't you red players want blues to come over with full gear?

You say you want more people. You say you want more PvP. You say that PvP is great by itself, and you say that PvP is great when it leads to PvE also. But these options you guys try to discuss to improve your server include limitations that will reduce the number of people you get coming over to red.

How does make sense in your minds, allowing anything less than copies with full gear, if you guys are really truly after more pop+more pvp instead of just easy targets?

[Tecmos Deception]

fighting to even find a single mob once every 5 to 10 mins?

Someone yell at this guy for holding back the thread please. I mean, he's derailing with offtopic whines about blue mob rarity (and isn't even being truthful about it, either).

:p

[webrunner5]

There was a Thread like 2 months ago were Nilbog or Rogean said they were sort of in favor of doing such a thing. But it would be a one way street. I guess there would be a few do it with some alts. But no gear going over would be the pits.

I try Red once in awhile but I get too pissed lol. My dog runs and hides every time I try. :D

[heartbrand]

I have no issue with blue transfers with loot don't care, at a fundamental level I wouldn't like it but the need for players on red outweighs the harm of the gear in my opinion and more people will transfer if gear is included.

[Auchae]

Alright, I'll try this: why don't you red players want blues to come over with full gear?

You say you want more people. You say you want more PvP. You say that PvP is great by itself, and you say that PvP is great when it leads to PvE also. But these options you guys try to discuss to improve your server include limitations that will reduce the number of people you get coming over to red.

How does make sense in your minds, allowing anything less than copies with full gear, if you guys are really truly after more pop+more pvp instead of just easy targets?

It's the low levels with full gear that bothers me personally and it's the numbers that blue has compared to red that would make it either extremely toxic with griefing or create tons of grind groups. Could go either way with twinks coming over. High end.. I can't speak on it really. I don't see a problem with it, but I'm sure someone has some input on why it would be good or bad.

[Producer]

It's the low levels with full gear that bothers me personally and it's the numbers that blue has compared to red that would make it either extremely toxic with griefing or create tons of grind groups. Could go either way with twinks coming over. High end.. I can't speak on it really. I don't see a problem with it, but I'm sure someone has some input on why it would be good or bad.

Bro i've already seen peopel de leveling Nihi alts and such lol. So I don't care I just want more people on the server.

[Tecmos Deception]

Alright, I can see how it can be a mixed bag then, regarding people bringing over twinks that messes up low-level PvP. But it's not like red doesn't have twinks that exist specifically to grief lowbies who are oor of mains anyway, right? It's not like even with triple pop red zones would be overflowing with people making it hard to level without running into hostile lowbie twinks, right?

[Auchae]

Bro i've already seen peopel de leveling Nihi alts and such lol. So I don't care I just want more people on the server.

I voted yes. Don't worry man hehe.

[Loli Pops]

I would love to see TMO vs Nihilum on a merged PvP server. We can dream for a merge and one server but it won't happen.

[heartbrand]

Ya dunno there will always be fag twinks griefing people so go level in a different zone or gain up or bring out of range healers or your own twinks. That's the power of red you control your own destiny.

[senna]

I'm all for reds plight for more players, but lets be real, server transfers are a band-aid and not a solution. Red was so borked at launch that it scared off most people, IMO a relaunch of a new PVP type server is whats needed.

[Producer]

I would love to see TMO vs Nihilum on a merged PvP server. We can dream for a merge and one server but it won't happen.

I hope it does.

[Gematria]

So is there any official word on character transfers from red to blue?

Personally, i wouldnt mind leaving behind all non-notrade gear and platinum if i can just get back one of my old toons.

[NegaStoat]

Only read the OP, didn't bother with any replies.

I would like to play on the fresh brand new PvP teams server ASSUMING there is NOT a retarded merger with the broken-ass current PvP non-teams server.

But that won't be the case, so the PvP servers planned by the staff don't hold my interest. I doubt I'm alone in my thoughts on this either.

[nalkin]

Don't care about blue <--> red99 transfer. However, the teams99 server should be a fresh start, no transfers. This server will be the perfect server we have all been waiting for. It deserves a fresh start don't need any corruption to be transferred over

[wrxBRAH]

1) Wipe them both clean

2a) Classic timeline progression server

2b) Teams pvp server

3) Profit?!?!

[citizen1080]

I would transfer a toon providing it was full gear.

I would be opposed to Red to Blue transfer as it would fuck our econ as others have stated.

I would copy all my toons over to red if offered. Then I could farm on blue and red at same time!


If red players didn't oppose blue to red copy I don't see why it would be a bad thing. Lots more people would be on red as the biggest reason people aren't on red is no one wants to lvl with the server already established.


Personally I would copy/transfer to red before I rerolled on the new teams server. I don't have time lvl another toon. But I would love to be able to pvp on my existing toons.

just my 2plat

[porigromus]

I think they should merge the two servers and leave the red players red and the blue blue. :P

Seriously though probably not fair for either side to let this happen.

[Tecmos Deception]

I think they should merge the two servers and leave the red players red and the blue blue. :P

Seriously though probably not fair for either side to let this happen.

Purple server has more potential than I think most people acknowledge.

Red players want PvP right? Well, they'd get at least as much PvP if they all turned their tomes in and were together on blue. Plus there's potential for more PvP with guildwar, blues going red to chase reds out of a camp they want, and more shenanigans like that. Of course if "red" players actually are after something other than PvP (I'm sure none of them are after pixels or ganks right? No, of course not), this wouldn't really work.

Blue players want PvE right? Well they still get it, cause they can be blue all they want. If reds are at a camp they want and they refuse to PvP to get them out, then they are in the same situation as if blue players were there before them and they had no way of making them leave (legally).

Both players get a larger server, more people to play with (though there'd be some issues with how reds and blues can interact with each other), a more robust economy. Reds get AT LEAST as much PvP, and almost certainly more.


Of course then I'd have to see people using retardspeak on blue server, every other fucking word being "pras" and shit. That I could do without.


They wouldn't do it though. Too much risk messing up the blue experience for many hundreds of people who enjoy it just to keep 50 hardcore PvPers entertained.

[webrunner5]

Of course then I'd have to see people using retardspeak on blue server, every other fucking word being "pras" and shit. That I could do without.

You forgot the favorite name used. "*****". Drives me crazy. What a bunch of losers on there. Shame, there are a few people on there shall I say that are "NORMAL". :o

[TWDL_Prexus]

If I could copy over to red, I would give it a try. I tried rolling on red, it's a ghost town for new players.