Dark Elf faction questions

[paladin1118]

I'm thinking about making a dark elf wizard... and I would eventually want to take the character to crushbone. The problem I foresee with this though, is the faction hits with indigo brotherhood for killing CB orcs. Indigo brotherhood is the dark elf guard faction, right? So that would eventually make me KoS in Neriak? And at all dark elf outposts?

If I ended up kos in Neriak, is there another wizard trainer I could use somewhere? Maybe the evil wizard trainer in east freeport? Is there any indigo brotherhood faction guards in east freeport?

Also, about how many CB orcs would it take to make a dark elf non-kos to kelethin guards? I'm assuming, even if I'm able to raise the kelethin guard faction to dubious, the kelethin merchants and banker still won't talk to me, since they're probably on a different faction? If I end up kos to Neriak would I basically be cut off from all bankers then?

If I can make the dark elf agnostic, would that help with faction at all?

I realize doing something like this would probably be very difficult. I'm just trying to find out how difficult, I guess.

Advice and answers to my questions would be appreciated, thanks.

[Ravager]

Indigo Brotherhood is the warrior guild and Dragoons. Won't hurt any other dark elf factions. It is kind of a bitch to get back when you lose it, and the only way to get it back is by losing the kelethin factions you've been trying to get in the first place.

You won't be KOS to Neriak bankers. You will be KOS to Kelethin merchants and banker as well as the other guilds that are not bonuses from killing orcs. Agnostic may help you get to dubious on the guards faster, but they'll still be KOS to begin with.

I really don't think Crushbone is worth the trouble as a dark elf seeing as you'll spend probably at most 13 or 14 levels there and when you're finished with it, you'll be KOS to the dragoons on the nektulos bridge as well as the dragoon at the Neriak entrance, and any other warrior guild dark elves you might happen into in the city.

[Estu]

If you do become KoS with Indigo Brotherhood, you might still be able to invis into the city and be OK. Also, you are probably friendly with Grobb and Oggok as a dark elf, and the evil Freeport area. I would not expect there to be any Indigo Brotherhood in Freeport, period. For all these areas though, your first time in them (or your first time in Neriak post-Crushbone), I would be very careful and con everything. Also, in addition to Indigo Brotherhood, there are Dreadguard Outer and Dreadguard Inner factions, which I believe are also guards, and they are not affected by killing orcs. I'm not sure exactly which NPCs belong to which faction.

If you kill enough orcs, you will become friendly with Storm Guard, the dwarf guards and warriors guild. You can then hand in Crushbone belts and pads to Canloe Nusback in Kaladim and become friendly with the merchants and bankers of Kaladim.

[Atmas]

I really don't think it is worth it to ruin your faction to level at some place for a few real time hours then have your toon have long term issues.

[Aaron]

I did Crushbone when young on all my toons. Two are High-Elf. They all have a DE mask though, and all can bank in Neriak, without problems. I can run through the town as a DE with no invis, and as long as I avoid the Indigo Brotherhood (which is super easy to do, since I've only ever accidentally run into them once), I'm not KOS anywhere in Neriak.

[Ravager]

I did Crushbone when young on all my toons. Two are High-Elf. They all have a DE mask though, and all can bank in Neriak, without problems. I can run through the town as a DE with no invis, and as long as I avoid the Indigo Brotherhood (which is super easy to do, since I've only ever accidentally run into them once), I'm not KOS anywhere in Neriak.

Illusion faction is a little wonky on this server and doesn't seem to add to racial faction the way one would expect. On my rogue, I leveled in crushbone and got to "could not possibly get any worse" for Indigo faction, then when I used the mask of deception, I was apprehensive to Dragoons. After killing more orcs my illusion faction dropped still further to Dubious, even though I had long since got the "could not possibly get any worse" message. So I wouldn't use Illusion faction as your guide.

[Estu]

I did Crushbone when young on all my toons. Two are High-Elf. They all have a DE mask though, and all can bank in Neriak, without problems. I can run through the town as a DE with no invis, and as long as I avoid the Indigo Brotherhood (which is super easy to do, since I've only ever accidentally run into them once), I'm not KOS anywhere in Neriak.

All of your characters have a DE mask? How does that even happen?

[paladin1118]

I really don't think it is worth it to ruin your faction to level at some place for a few real time hours then have your toon have long term issues.

Exp isn't the reason I would want to go to crushbone...


Does anyone know for sure if dark elves can use the evil trainers in freeport?

I can't remember for sure but there is like, a "secret" route outside the wall in west freeport to the evil guild in east freeport, right? Or is that only in Qeynos?

[Estu]

I can't remember for sure but there is like, a "secret" route outside the wall in west freeport to the evil guild in east freeport, right?

Yep.

[Lojik]

Yep.

Shhh. It's supposed to be a secret

[Aaron]

Someone just broke the first rule of secret tunnels.

[A1551]

ok I just want to clarify -- Indigo brotherhood is NOT the guards OR the dragoons. If any dragoons are covered, it does not include the ones out front or on the bridge or anything like that. My enchanter Propo leveled in GFAY/crushbone from 4-17 (DE chanter) and I have never once in almost a year and a half been attacked by anything in neriak, including running all around all three zones and nektulos with the exception of the warrior guild in neriak commons, which I have avoided. This is easy to do, it is tucked away in a corner of the zone and there is nothing inside you'd ever want to use unless you were a warrior.

The ambassador in crushbone may be on indigo brotherhood, but I am fairly sure the one in WC (Dragoon Zytl) is nonkos to me. The ones on the bridge and neriak entrance are 100% on dreadguard outer and not impacted by indigo brotherhood.

It used to be worth doing this because you could bank in felwithe with an evil race (the banker there was indifferent to everyone so being nonkos with the guards let evils bank there with care). I am told this was fixed and the felwithe banker is no longer indifferent to everyone however :(

[Estu]

I am told this was fixed and the felwithe banker is no longer indifferent to everyone however :(

Indeed. Getting faction up with him is a real bitch, too. You can bank in Kaladim pretty easily once you get Storm Guard faction from killing orcs and then Merchants of Kaladim faction from handing in belts/pads.

[Swish]

Indigo Brotherhood = Neriak Warrior guild (hard to stumble in there unless you're lost, big blue sign outside it in Neriak Commons)

Dreadguard Outer / Dreadguard Inner = Guards.

...there's a wine quest in Neriak 3rd Gate, I don't know what factions it raises without looking at the wiki but its easy to do.

If you're making a dark elf wizard, you can invis to bankers and bank out of line of sight of the bankers around walls in North Freeport and Felwithe if you wanted to.

Having had a dark elf wizard on live, I can say that doing parts of the epic can be more tricky as turning up at Halas (and places) you'll be kos :p

Overall though, excellent racial choice... the evil races are far better than the good ones.

[Ravager]

ok I just want to clarify -- Indigo brotherhood is NOT the guards OR the dragoons. If any dragoons are covered, it does not include the ones out front or on the bridge or anything like that. My enchanter Propo leveled in GFAY/crushbone from 4-17 (DE chanter) and I have never once in almost a year and a half been attacked by anything in neriak, including running all around all three zones and nektulos with the exception of the warrior guild in neriak commons, which I have avoided. This is easy to do, it is tucked away in a corner of the zone and there is nothing inside you'd ever want to use unless you were a warrior.

The ambassador in crushbone may be on indigo brotherhood, but I am fairly sure the one in WC (Dragoon Zytl) is nonkos to me. The ones on the bridge and neriak entrance are 100% on dreadguard outer and not impacted by indigo brotherhood.

It used to be worth doing this because you could bank in felwithe with an evil race (the banker there was indifferent to everyone so being nonkos with the guards let evils bank there with care). I am told this was fixed and the felwithe banker is no longer indifferent to everyone however :(

Illusion faction is a little wonky on this server and doesn't seem to add to racial faction the way one would expect. On my rogue, I leveled in crushbone and got to "could not possibly get any worse" for Indigo faction, then when I used the mask of deception, I was apprehensive to Dragoons. After killing more orcs my illusion faction dropped still further to Dubious, even though I had long since got the "could not possibly get any worse" message. So I wouldn't use Illusion faction as your guide.

Yes, it is the dragoons. Your illusion acts differently than if someone without an illusion lost that faction. It's almost as if the illusion resets you to base faction and then adds the modifier. A dark elf wizard will be KOS to dragoons after leveling in Crushbone. Still not worth messing up the faction for 10ish levels in Crushbone imo. As far as banking is concerned, a wizard can gate and port for banking needs at 20.

[A1551]

what illusion? I am a real dark elf :P

[A1551]

I do want to clarify SOME dragoons are on indigo brotherhood which may be your source of confusion. For example, the DE camp in lfay, most mobs there are indigo brotherhood including the dragoons. But the important ones for the purposes of using neriak (the ones youd encounter using the vast majority of the zone) are not.

I'll agree there is not much reason to fight in crushbone as an evil for faction gains but it is incorrect to say it will cause you major problems down the road. It wont, unless you wander into the warrior guild. Crushbone is a fun and cool zone and I love leveling my characters there sometimes!

[Lojik]

what illusion? I am a real dark elf :P

Calm down Pinocchio

[Kika Maslyaka]

If you want Kelethin faction without penalties - buy CB belts and pads and turn them to merchant Linadian somewhere on the 3rd level of Kelethin - you get 4 positive elf factions out of that and no negatives.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?quest=158

[A1551]

Yes, it is the dragoons. Your illusion acts differently than if someone without an illusion lost that faction. It's almost as if the illusion resets you to base faction and then adds the modifier. A dark elf wizard will be KOS to dragoons after leveling in Crushbone. Still not worth messing up the faction for 10ish levels in Crushbone imo. As far as banking is concerned, a wizard can gate and port for banking needs at 20.

As a side note I've never heard nor seen this to be true regarding illusions resetting worked factions. In fact I've clearly seen the opposite (ruining a faction is not recoverable by illusions, ie I was not KOS to frogloks in guk in gnome illusion till I killed a few, and now no illusion makes me nonkos).

Can any other enchanters or illusion users weigh in on this? Ravager can you explain what you mean a little better? I might not just be understanding exactly what you mean -- I'm reading this as you saying someone whos ruined their faction can use an illusion of another race to avoid their faction history. I suppose that would be possible if you ruin it a "little" and then switch to a race that the person likes more, but it would have to really be a "little" and would not apply to someone who bottomed out their faction (ie fighting for a few hrs in crushbone)

[paladin1118]

If you want Kelethin faction without penalties - buy CB belts and pads and turn them to merchant Linadian somewhere on the 3rd level of Kelethin - you get 4 positive elf factions out of that and no negatives.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?quest=158


This got me thinking about what quests I could do to raise my faction with the banker in kelethin. Would probably have to be a quest giver on one of the factions that killing CB orcs raises... like this quest: http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?quest=145

However, after checking banker Willaen's page: http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=1206 some old comments there are saying that he's not on merchants of kelethin faction and possibly on anti-mage faction instead? Is this true for P99?

Would I seriously have to raise the banker's faction to be able to bank in kelethin? Isn't there some trick like invis or illusions I could use to bank there?

I'd love to be able to bank in kelethin as a wizard since it's so close to a wizard spire, easy to port in there, do my banking and selling and then gate back to wherever I was.

[Diogene]

I have rolled a DE chanter and did most my low lvls in crushbone...
Result : I am KOS to warrior guild in Neriak. No big deal really.

[Swish]

This got me thinking about what quests I could do to raise my faction with the banker in kelethin...

People obsess too much about the Kelethin banker. If you can invis to the Felwithe banker while kos you can bank with him from behind the wall to his left. Done it 100 times, not haxx... just a lack of line of sight on his part.

[Estu]

Kelethin banker is on Merchants of Kelethin faction.