Random stutter when turning with mouse..

[Stabulous]

I hold right click with my mouse to turn and some of the time when I try to make a turn my game will just randomly hitch a little and turn me too far. It's pretty disorienting when it happens, a lot of the time if there aren't any landmarks around I have no idea what way i'm facing after it happens. I turned my win 7 aero theme off because I read that p99 doesn't like that. I also put my max fps in my game options to 60. Is there anything else I can do to alleviate it? It only happens when i'm turning with my mouse, which seems weird to me. I set my /mousespeed to 4 if that matters. That's what seems comfortable to me. Thanks.

[Lyra]

I heard running WINeq2 fixes this problem

try running EQ under WinEQ2, Found at Http://www.lavishsoft.com

[Boone]

Same issue here. In the FAQ they mentioned to try disabling Aero (for Win7) and it seems to work. I've been playing the last few nights with it disabled and haven't noticed any hitching.

[Tecmos Deception]

I experience a slight jump every time I pan across due north. Not sure if this is what the op has also.

[Flipsyo]

I have this issue, and i also have the stutter problem when i am moving things around in my inventory. Ill try to pick something up or drop something in, and it will stutter for about a second. Once i click the item a few times, it will stop it from stuttering for a little while. Not a huge deal, but it is pretty annoying

[happyhappy]

Used to do this for me for the longest time, only thing that fixed it was a clean reinstall, dunno if it was in the config or UI files but going fresh ended up solving it.

Didn't even take the risk of reimporting my macros or anything, just went blank slate and never re-experienced it ever again. Kind of sucked to lose all my settings, but it was more than worth it.

[Roku]

I've had this problem for a long time and none of the 'fixes' worked for me. I finally had to give up on my bard because of it.

[Swish]

This happens for me both on Vista and Windows 7...maybe its a Titanium issue :(

[Flipsyo]

almost feels like its getting worse for me

[Rhun]

I remember having it all the time on live. The only difference was that my PCs were much slower than the one I have right now. Actually, when I turned around like that I could always see the LED of the HDD working. So I think its just simple loading stutter. Get an SSD or maybe more RAM and it should be gone.

[Roku]

I finally got mine to stop stuttering by doing the RAMDisk fix that someone mentioned in another post.

Short version: create an EQLite version of EQ, download and configure a RAMDisk program to turn 1700 megs of RAM into a "hard drive", copy the EQLite to that drive and run the program from there.

My issue was simply a hard drive access time issue. Dunno if a solid state drive would be quick enough to solve it as well since I don't have one, but RAM works.

[Tecmos Deception]

I have eqlite and run with ramdisk and the little hitch that I hit when I pan across north in the game still exists. It's like the graphics don't match up from 359 degrees to 1 degree.

[Unfun]

Solid state worked like a charm for my stuttering issues.

I had this stuttering issue with my 5400 rmp hard drive all the time. I upgraded to SSD and, while it didn't improve loading times much, the stuttering issue completely disappeared. Sounds like the RamDisk configuration will work as well.

[carli]

I thought I was the only one with this problem...

-ONLY happens in SolB -- I've never experienced this in any other zone so far in my journeys!
-ONLY happens when I'm holding down my right mouse button which I do a lot on my rogue.
-ONLY happens when I'm on my rogue. I've gone to SolB on a paladin, shaman and cleric and never had this happen to any of them. SO WEIRD.

I have a SSD
I have reformatted my PC
I have reinstalled Titanium
I always use WinEQ2 to run P99

Still happens, only in SolB and only on my rogue It's the strangest bug!

To be a little bit more specific, when I'm on my rogue in SolB and holding down my right mouse button whether it be in combat, chasing a mob, just moving through the zone... about every 10 seconds my character will just instantly turn directly LEFT! It's so annoying I refuse to go back there on my rogue ever just to avoid the bug.

Sent a PM to a Tech guru to pick his brain a bit and we couldn't figure it out so I thought I was the only one with this problem. I also asked a few other high level rogues if they'd ever seen / experienced this bug in SolB before and they had NO CLUE what I was talking about so I just kinda left it alone... I'll keep checking this forum but I'm glad to see at least that I'm not the only one with this issue! :cool:


EDIT: having this issue in SolA too now apparently. But not on my cleric, only on my rogue. Just tested it... Willing to show on stream if anyone wants to try and figure this shit out!

[Abner]

The mouselook hitch happens to me also. I am old school still though running XP with 4Gigs o RAM on a hamster driven hard drive. The plan is to upgrade to Win7, 8GB (my motherboard max) and SSD eventually.

[Champion_Standing]

Limiting the framerate to 60 or below seems to cut down on it quite a bit for me, but doesn't eliminate it entirely.

[khandman]

One of the Dev's in a previous post suggested lowering your Max FPS to around 50-60. By default it might be set to max.

I found I was getting a stuttering/freezing bug in Kaladim and setting my max FPS to 59 to match my monitor refresh it sorted the problem for me.

[gotrocks]

Fixes to try before bashing your keyboard in frustration everytime you turn the mouse :D :

Reinstall EQ. Full, clean install, using nothing but the Titanium discs/iso. NO ADDONS. No duxa ui, no duxa installer. Do it right, add things later.

WinEQ2, fixes most peoples problems

You should NOT need an SSD, that shouldn't affect framerate lag in any situation for any reason, unless your hard drive is from 1999, is extremely slow for some other reason, or you're having some other issue with the drive. EQ doesn't pull files from the HD after you zone in, so drive lag in loading doesn't make any sense. That being said, loading EQ from RAM may still help if you have an issue with your drive (like i said above), so its worth a shot.

Limit MAX Fps to 35. Yes, this will look a little stuttery on its own, but it should be much smoother than what you all are describing.

In vista/7/8 Disable Aero, or in 8, any fancy graphics options. In general this is something I do regardless just because I like the minimalist interface, but it should help performance in EQ. Old programs can sometimes have graphics issues with aero runnning during play.

If you're still having issues after doing all that, can try reposting in this thread and I'll see what else can be done. I'll try to keep an eye on this thread. PM'ing me is also an option.

[Heartwork]

You should NOT need an SSD, that shouldn't affect framerate lag in any situation for any reason, unless your hard drive is from 1999, is extremely slow for some other reason, or you're having some other issue with the drive.

I'm sorry, but this is wrong. On non-SSD drives, when a new character zones into your zones, EQ reads from the disk and creates a microstutter. This happens on drives frrom 1999, or drives from 2013, 7200rpm et al. It's just how EQ is coded, and it has been like that since (at least) Kunark on Live. You can get a brand new WD 7200rpm drive, install EQ on it and still get the issue. I know because I've installed EQ on three separate (new) hard drives, all non-SSD.

RAMDisk is the key if upgrading to an SSD isn't an option. Following the "EQ Lite" guide to reduce the installation size by several gigs (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=7186) will help tons for those with only 4gb RAM.

[Champion_Standing]

I'm sorry, but this is wrong. On non-SSD drives, when a new character zones into your zones, EQ reads from the disk and creates a microstutter. This happens on drives frrom 1999, or drives from 2013, 7200rpm et al. It's just how EQ is coded, and it has been like that since (at least) Kunark on Live. You can get a brand new WD 7200rpm drive, install EQ on it and still get the issue. I know because I've installed EQ on three separate (new) hard drives, all non-SSD.

RAMDisk is the key if upgrading to an SSD isn't an option. Following the "EQ Lite" guide to reduce the installation size by several gigs (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=7186) will help tons for those with only 4gb RAM.

Stop trying to justify your SSD purchase.

By this logic my game should be "microstuttering" constantly while im in KC or EC or any other popular zone. Which is definitely not happening.

[Heartwork]

Stop trying to justify your SSD purchase.

By this logic my game should be "microstuttering" constantly while im in KC or EC or any other popular zone. Which is definitely not happening.

I don't own an SSD. I have however compared swarm kiting to loading the entire EQ (Lite) client onto a RAM disk, running it off a 7200rpm HD, and running it off a bog-standard SSD on a laptop that I borrowed off work. You want to make a guess on the differences?

[Kutark Validus]

Has anyone experienced this issue lately? It just randomly started doing it to me 2 days ago. Ive been playing since February with ZERO issues, then all of a sudden i try to circle strafe around a mob and its like im skipping 60-90 degrees at a time. Its borderline unplayable.

I've tried everything in this thread short of running wineq2 (not paying for an account on something im not even sure will work).

Disabling aero does nothing, max fps has always been set to 60, though ive tried 59, 35, etc, to no avail. I tried running EQLite. Nothing.

I have a very high end system (dual 760gtx's, i7 2600k, 16gb ram, SSD, etc etc). So its not a loading time issue. And as i said before, never had a problem until 2 days ago.

The only thing that changed between then and now was i managed to rip my headset cord in half (dont ask). And i had to fuck with my audio settings in windows, outside of that i have done no changes, no driver updates, nothing.

Anyone have any ideas?

Edit: It also seems to be worse, far worse, if i engage auto attack.

[Kutark Validus]

Ok, its 100% confirmed to be an issue related to combat. Outside of combat, silky 100% smooth. Anygone got an idea?

[wwoneo]

Has anyone experienced this issue lately? It just randomly started doing it to me 2 days ago. Ive been playing since February with ZERO issues, then all of a sudden i try to circle strafe around a mob and its like im skipping 60-90 degrees at a time. Its borderline unplayable.

I've tried everything in this thread short of running wineq2 (not paying for an account on something im not even sure will work).

Disabling aero does nothing, max fps has always been set to 60, though ive tried 59, 35, etc, to no avail. I tried running EQLite. Nothing.

I have a very high end system (dual 760gtx's, i7 2600k, 16gb ram, SSD, etc etc). So its not a loading time issue. And as i said before, never had a problem until 2 days ago.

The only thing that changed between then and now was i managed to rip my headset cord in half (dont ask). And i had to fuck with my audio settings in windows, outside of that i have done no changes, no driver updates, nothing.

Anyone have any ideas?

Edit: It also seems to be worse, far worse, if i engage auto attack.

I have the exact same problem as well. It doesn't really bother me much unless im AoE kiting on my bard in which case it drives me off the walls insane. I have tried running a fresh reinstall, WinEQ2, Duxa's All-in-One, Tried running it in compatability mode, Tried setting the affinity to 0 core only in task manager and setting the priority to high, I've tried lowering my settings as low as they can possibly go and everything inbetween, I have tried just about everything I could possibly think of and I'm still getting this problem. I've pretty much quit trying to AoE kite on a bard because attempting to kite and then randomly doing a 180 degree turn directly into your kite is NOT fun at all.

[wwoneo]

Any fix for this ever found?

[Mauxe]

I was looking for information on this same issue when I found this thread.
When I hold down the right mouse button to look around as I move I "sometimes" get a camera jump that puts me in a completely different direction. I have just started with P99 and have not done any kiting yet so this has only been an issue when traveling.
I am going to try some of the fixes here and report back.
I would be interested to find out if the two posters above me tried to adjust their max framerate? Or the earlier ramdrive trick?

Right now it is only annoying - and forcing me to do more movement with WASD than the mouse - which may not be a bad thing if it is a problem that will persist.

[maurilax]

I've tried
-Disabling Sound
-Stoping all services
-Updating all drivers including LAN and onboard Realtek sound
-Stopping all indexing and searching in windows
-Moving EQlog files to another drive
-Turning off EQlog
-Running the game from SSD where windows is installed
-Running the game from normal HDD with nothing else installed
-Virus and Malware scans
-Full reinstall of EQ from disc and no UI or config file changes
-Ramdisk install of eq
-WinEQ and non WinEQ


I still get this little hitch even when in a zone with no other people.
sometimes it happens 3x in 5min sometimes it doesnt happen for an hour.
I do not think it is only related to EQ in my case as I do notice it sometimes on the desktop, it is just way more noticeable when using mouse look in eq.

I can usually trigger it within 10mins of logging in after a computer reboot by spamming jboots and goblin earring and mousing around.

next step is going to be buy a new SSD and install a fresh windows and EQ.

[Nocte Sicarius]

I saw this for my first time in a group the other day. Hasn't been much of an issue yet, tough it made quick responsiveness a bit hairy in group. Fortunately I'm still lowbie enough where it didn't matter much. :p I'm going to try the frame/refresh rate tweak if I see it again.

[dafier]

I've tried
-Disabling Sound
-Stoping all services
-Updating all drivers including LAN and onboard Realtek sound
-Stopping all indexing and searching in windows
-Moving EQlog files to another drive
-Turning off EQlog
-Running the game from SSD where windows is installed
-Running the game from normal HDD with nothing else installed
-Virus and Malware scans
-Full reinstall of EQ from disc and no UI or config file changes
-Ramdisk install of eq
-WinEQ and non WinEQ


I still get this little hitch even when in a zone with no other people.
sometimes it happens 3x in 5min sometimes it doesnt happen for an hour.
I do not think it is only related to EQ in my case as I do notice it sometimes on the desktop, it is just way more noticeable when using mouse look in eq.

I can usually trigger it within 10mins of logging in after a computer reboot by spamming jboots and goblin earring and mousing around.

next step is going to be buy a new SSD and install a fresh windows and EQ.

I bought a new video card. Didn't fix it. I have 3 different SSDs and several HDDs. Didn't fix it.

Tried all the fixes you tried and more. Mine still does the same damn thing on my desktop.

A while back I bought a Lenovo Z50 (Nvidia 820M graphics card) to assist with my hobby/hopefully career change (Programming), the game runs perfect on it with NO issues at all.

My desktop consists of:

AMD 8350 (Stock)
16 GB DDR3 1600
Both Nvidia 660GTX and AMD R9 270 (R9 is in it now)
Gigabyte MB
Win7 Pro x64

Laptop:
I7 2.8Ghz Core Duo (with HT)
8GB DDR3 1800 (something like that)
Nvidia 820m
Win8.1 x64

I do not get it at all. WinEQ, doesn't work as well. I've done everything listed in the forums and help, and, nothing works.

Sorry, but you'll have to buy a new system (not top of the line) in order to get this old game to work with no chop/lag issues.

[Swish]

It can be caused by people zoning in.

[maurilax]

I bought a new video card. Didn't fix it. I have 3 different SSDs and several HDDs. Didn't fix it.

Tried all the fixes you tried and more. Mine still does the same damn thing on my desktop.

A while back I bought a Lenovo Z50 (Nvidia 820M graphics card) to assist with my hobby/hopefully career change (Programming), the game runs perfect on it with NO issues at all.

My desktop consists of:

AMD 8350 (Stock)
16 GB DDR3 1600
Both Nvidia 660GTX and AMD R9 270 (R9 is in it now)
Gigabyte MB
Win7 Pro x64

Laptop:
I7 2.8Ghz Core Duo (with HT)
8GB DDR3 1800 (something like that)
Nvidia 820m
Win8.1 x64

I do not get it at all. WinEQ, doesn't work as well. I've done everything listed in the forums and help, and, nothing works.

Sorry, but you'll have to buy a new system (not top of the line) in order to get this old game to work with no chop/lag issues.

I have a pretty similar machine
16 GB ddr 3 ram
Gigabyte MB
Win7 Pro x64
I think i have an nvidia 560 or something instead...

that gigabyte mb...the more i see others issues the more they point to the drivers for that mb.

@swish, I tested with 0 people in the zone and do lots of /who before and after the stutter. Pretty sure its not that issue though I know some people get that.

[Big_Japan]

Stop trying to justify your SSD purchase.

By this logic my game should be "microstuttering" constantly while im in KC or EC or any other popular zone. Which is definitely not happening.

lmao

EQ reads and writes to disk during a number of different events, not just zoning. You may not necessarily experience stutter every time it accesses the drive, but it's definitely possible for "microstutters" to happen. Try taking a screenshot and see how nicely EQ plays while it's writing to disk.

[Nicoladen]

Use Ramdrive - solved all my microstutter problems.

OSFmount - freeware

[maurilax]

So I kept digging and digging and trying all kinds of weird shit.

I finally tracked it down to hard disk reading and writing which made sense. I was getting the stutter a lot more often when backups were running or there was higher disk activity.

Anyway after updating all mobo drivers and stuff i ran across some posts about the crucial m4 ssd being in the state below. sure enough my drive was misconfigured. I fixed both issues by updating a bios setting to use the non ide driver and also realigned the drive. For good measure I did a fresh windows install as well and updated all other drivers. been running smooth for 30mins. hoping once i reinstall some other stuff it will stay like this. hopefully this works for someone


screenshot of the error. I think the tool was called AS SSD benchmark (you dont have to run the benchmark)
http://i.imgur.com/xEJdjcG.png

[khandman]

I was maybe thinking it might have had something to do with rendering or, not rendering if this next comment makes any sense.

I was wonder that if when turning, if you turn to a direction where there might be a lot happening, lots of players or a lot of spell effects happening, then this might perhaps be causing a slight jump/skip in the frame rate making it look like a mouse skip. The eq client might know that those things are there coming into view but doesn't render them in accordance with the view distance, but the client still knows they are there and within the FoV. So even though it won't render to the screen, perhaps the client is doing some kind of processing to determine yes I see you and I know you are there but does the player need to see you?

Just thoughts.

[Nicoladen]

Use Ramdrive - solved all my microstutter problems.

OSFmount - freeware

Since latest patch (Jun 12, 2015 - 5:33 AM) I have once again microstutter problems even when using RAM-drive.

Damn was ruinning smooth for 3 months :(

[Kixx]

Set FPS to 60 in Display settings.

Say goodbye to chunking with mouse look.

[WolfsongReborn]

Dunno if this is what you're referring to but I get a lot of texture tearing when turning left or right, even with Vsync forced on the video card.

[maurilax]

got a new nic and new drivers for it, uninstalled avg and reinstalled windows. seems better now for a week or so. still get it once in awhile but far less frequently

[Nicoladen]

I was maybe thinking it might have had something to do with rendering or, not rendering if this next comment makes any sense.

I was wonder that if when turning, if you turn to a direction where there might be a lot happening, lots of players or a lot of spell effects happening, then this might perhaps be causing a slight jump/skip in the frame rate making it look like a mouse skip. The eq client might know that those things are there coming into view but doesn't render them in accordance with the view distance, but the client still knows they are there and within the FoV. So even though it won't render to the screen, perhaps the client is doing some kind of processing to determine yes I see you and I know you are there but does the player need to see you?

Just thoughts.

I must agree to some of these findings/ideas.

I have noticed that the mouselook "graphics skipping" happens when a player(s) comes into view.
It's VERY annoying and I have found myself totally lost in dungeons in a matter of one set of frame skips.

I tried to pus the FPS to 60 and it didnt make any difference sadly :(

[brews]

So I had this problem after I upgraded my computer to a 8700k and kept my GTX970.

I recently got a 144hz monitor as well ..

Turns out it was the screen's problem, I have a 60Hz monitor as secondary monitor running on a DVI connector.

And Nvidia+Windows 10 has some problem with that..

Reddit with more info:

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/5o32vs/psa_for_people_with_144hz_60hz_dual_monitor_with/

Basically you can move the secondary monitor to the internal GPU (mobo) or put main screen (144hz monitor) to 120Hz (double 60Hz which evens out the problem)

Using only displayport cables might also work..

No idea if this is the problem everyone else is facing but I'd put it here just in case.

[moralpanic]

So I had this problem after I upgraded my computer to a 8700k and kept my GTX970.

I recently got a 144hz monitor as well ..

Turns out it was the screen's problem, I have a 60Hz monitor as secondary monitor running on a DVI connector.

And Nvidia+Windows 10 has some problem with that..

Reddit with more info:

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/5o32vs/psa_for_people_with_144hz_60hz_dual_monitor_with/

Basically you can move the secondary monitor to the internal GPU (mobo) or put main screen (144hz monitor) to 120Hz (double 60Hz which evens out the problem)

Using only displayport cables might also work..

No idea if this is the problem everyone else is facing but I'd put it here just in case.


holy crap THANK YOU. this was definitely the issue and it solved another issue i was not aware of in that reddit link!

[halfer777]

I don't stutter, I will randomly just freeze and crash. Got me killed a few times now, only happens when I'm using mouselook

[Grimgor]

I had this issue as well and the problem turned out to be Nvidia. Not sure what sepcifically, but I reinstalled just the video card driver without all the other crap that Nvidia tries to install with it and the problem went away. I then tried reinstalling with all the other optional stuff and the problem came back.


I also tried ending task on all the Nvidia processes running, most of which just started up again, and the problem went away. So one of those processes running in the background is the culprit.