We dont need another server right now, we need Velious

[Elderan]

I have nothing against a new server but the timing is completely off.

If everything we have been told is true, Velious won't be until after Red and the new Teams 99 servers merge which will be 6 months after the Teams 99 server release which is 1-3 months away. We have also been assured that Velious will release on Red the same time it releases on Blue. Meaning Blue and Red wont get Velious at least until 7-9 months away.

We need Velious first. I know Velious has a lot of mobs/factions etc but what is the hold up? There has been plenty of time to get this ready to go. Before people tell me I don't know what it takes let me assure you I do. I have been a professional programmer and developer for 14 years.

Focus on Velious, get it out by Dec 1st 2013. Then 4-6 months after release do a new progression server Teams or whatever you want.

[Deli]

Seems a bit on the 'do what I want because it's what I want' spectrum but alas, babylon.

[thugcruncher]

Shut the fuck up and enjoy your free game. Or don't.

[Tecmos Deception]

If Velious releases in a state that has a bunch of exploitable, unfinished, nonclassic mechanics, the forums will be down 24/7 for the next three years because they'll be overloaded by all the QQ. I much prefer dealing with the "LONG TIMELINE AND OLD BUGS MADE OTHER PEOPLE BETTER OFF THAN I AM" QQ for another year and getting a better-polished Velious.

Also, in before Swish talks about Kunark > Velious.

[Something'Witty]

Focus on Velious, get it out by Dec 1st 2013. Then 4-6 months after release do a new progression server Teams or whatever you want.

/signed

[Elderan]

If Velious releases in a state that has a bunch of exploitable, unfinished, nonclassic mechanics, the forums will be down 24/7 for the next three years because they'll be overloaded by all the QQ. I much prefer dealing with the "LONG TIMELINE AND OLD BUGS MADE OTHER PEOPLE BETTER OFF THAN I AM" QQ for another year and getting a better-polished Velious.

Also, in before Swish talks about Kunark > Velious.

I agree, you cannot release Velious really bugged.

My main question is why is it not ready? I am not saying this to degrade anyone. I would like the real answer. Have they only recently started working on it? Is that the reason?

[Alarti0001]

Are we assuming Velious is really buggy for some reason?

[Tecmos Deception]

It's not like the p99 staff is funded like an A-list MMO dude. The staff is a handful of people who do p99 stuff as a hobby, for fun, while still leading real lives with jobs and such.

[Elderan]

It's not like the p99 staff is funded like an A-list MMO dude. The staff is a handful of people who do p99 stuff as a hobby, for fun, while still leading real lives with jobs and such.

Asking a question like "Have they only recently started working on it?" only degrades you by making you look like a moran.

I do tons of side projects myself. Many much larger then this and none have ever taken me this long.

It was a real question. Are they having issues or is it just the content placement is going really really really slow.

I always appreciate when a developer/programmer does work for free that I benefit from of course. But as one myself sometimes we get tunnel vision or stuck and wont ask for help or just get burned out and ignore things for months. I just wondering the real reason.

[Tecmos Deception]

I'd like to see your larger-than-Velious side projects and timelines of their completion.

[Weekapaug]

The guys running this project do it as a hobby. If they have decided that a new pvp server is what they want to do next, that's entirely their perogative.

[formallydickman]

I do tons of side projects myself. Many much larger then this and none have ever taken me this long.

Put up or shut up on this.

[kronika]

I agree with OP. I think that one of the biggest issues on this server is that the content has been static for so long. Talk about "not classic"? Not classic is having this long of a gap between Kunark and Velious. One of the biggest things that drove new players to classic EQ was the constant influx of new content. Ive seen more and more people leave this server because things just arent exciting any more. Oh cool, CT popped, and within three seconds TMO took him down. Oh cool, trak popped, TMO took him down. Im not ragging on TMO here, im just saying that everything is so predictable at this point. A new server is just delaying the inevitable more and more. We need new content, not a new server based on the same old stuff. I respect the devs and all the work they put into this project, but if Velious is taking this long to come out, they should ask for help from the community. There is no shame in that.

[Obsidus]

Are any of the P99 staff even professional programmers? Especially Nilbog? Because if they're just some laymen that have coding knowledge then it would make it even more understandable that it's taking Velious this long.

[Tikku82]

Screw velious yet. Maybe the old farts want it who has max geared toons already, but theres plenty of us newer players who want to enjoy the kunark era. New server now will be perfect for us newer players, they don't have to deal with the super twinks ruining the game experience (hello bards etc...)

New server now, velious in 1 year. Thank you.

[crkhobbit]

I'd like to see your larger-than-Velious side projects and timelines of their completion that you do in your free time for no pay with only personal resources.

FTFY

[TWDL_Prexus]

How many times does Nilbog have to state that there is a completely different group of people working on Velious that has NOTHING to do with the new server???

One doesn't affect the other.

[Bohab]

Screw velious yet. Maybe the old farts want it who has max geared toons already, but theres plenty of us newer players who want to enjoy the kunark era. New server now will be perfect for us newer players, they don't have to deal with the super twinks ruining the game experience (hello bards etc...)

New server now, velious in 1 year. Thank you.

LOL! This is most likely a troll but still I'll bite. Think I had this same point of view when I started here and now I can't disagree more. Velious > New Server

[kotton05]

^

Wtb velious but I can dig a team pvp server

[Conky]

I dont get it, so we need 2 red servers with 20 people playing on each instead of 1 with 40?

[Atmas]

I do tons of side projects myself. Many much larger then this and none have ever taken me this long.

It was a real question. Are they having issues or is it just the content placement is going really really really slow.

I always appreciate when a developer/programmer does work for free that I benefit from of course. But as one myself sometimes we get tunnel vision or stuck and wont ask for help or just get burned out and ignore things for months. I just wondering the real reason.

Ok then make your own server with classic Velious. Problem solved. A lot of people who came to this project later on have expressed interest in a new server, if you make something close to being as classic as P99 I'm sure you would have a population for it.

[Fountree]

Velious plz!

[Splorf22]

Well I think your measure of the scale of Velious depends a lot on how precisely you want it to match live. I mean there is already a version of Velious on PEQ:TGC, so if Nilbog really wanted he have released that three years ago. Nilbog however is a perfectionist who hates the compass ;D

Elderan, IIRC you are some kind of a software developer. Why don't you try and and volunteer a bit? IMO P1999 is in desperate need of some coding fixes more than anything. Specifically, I have a laundry list of bugs here:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=120677

And then on Blue at least we could really use some simultaneous repops (maybe even Red as well) and other raid scene fixes, like say:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=117673

Actually I just noticed that someone deleted about 20+ pages of flamewar from that thread hehehe.

[Tecmos Deception]

One of the biggest things that drove new players to classic EQ was the constant influx of new content.

Lol.

This server basically exists only to do classic, kunark, and velious. No one who plays on here is here because they want constant, new content. People who quit p99 because they want constant, new content will just be leaving eventually anyway.

Also, constant, new content is what made the people on this server give up on live EQ sooner or later.

[nilbog]

How many times does Nilbog have to state that there is a completely different group of people working on Velious that has NOTHING to do with the new server???

One doesn't affect the other.

Have said this multiple times.

[Nirgon]

I just wondering the real reason.

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Jim can't believe that people speak different languages all over the world, since we're all the same. But if we're all the same, why are some of us enslaved? And why doesn't he seem to make that conceptual leap?


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[Nirgon]

N' dey he goes. Nilbog da only EQ emu server manager dat eva kept his promise to ole Nirgon.

[Elderan]

Have said this multiple times.

My statement never said the new server was taking time away from Velious.

My point was the timing is terrible and just not needed right now.

Nilbog what percentage complete is Velious right now?

[Nirgon]

You gonna fire Nilbog? Please don't :(

[Barkingturtle]

I guess what I don't get is why a new PvP server and not a fresh Blue?

[Weekapaug]

I dont get it, so we need 2 red servers with 20 people playing on each instead of 1 with 40?

Purely my own speculation, but I think the goal is to have 1 healthy pvp server in the end, with teams, because for whatever reason the FFA pvp server hasn't appealed to all that many people.

As I understand it, there will be 2 servers for a while to get the teams server up and running then the existing red server will be merged into that.

Plus, they've said over and over that doing the new server has nothing to do with the work being done on Velious. Not like it's up to us to bitch about what they are doing or not doing for us for fucking FREE anyway.

[Porz]

My statement never said the new server was taking time away from Velious.

My point was the timing is terrible and just not needed right now.

Nilbog what percentage complete is Velious right now?

I'm glad you can just demand nilbog to tell you anything. Stfu and be patient or quit. People have been playing here longer than you and don't complain. ITS FREE!

Still waiting on that project timeline.

[Nirgon]

for whatever reason (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1102326&postcount=123) the FFA pvp server hasn't appealed to all that many people.

[Elderan]

I'm glad you can just demand nilbog to tell you anything. Stfu and be patient or quit. People have been playing here longer than you and don't complain. ITS FREE!

Still waiting on that project timeline.

Nothing in my post demanded anything. As a member of this community I think I can ask a question from someone.

He can choose to respond or not and certainly his right to do so.

But please understand this is not an assault on nilbog. I think we have lingered long enough though and since he is the lead developer he is the one who can provide the information.

[Porz]

Nothing in my post demanded anything. As a member of this community I think I can ask a question from someone.

He can choose to respond or not and certainly his right to do so.

But please understand this is not an assault on nilbog. I think we have lingered long enough though and since he is the lead developer he is the one who can provide the information.

Here let me sum your post up for you. Maybe your tunnel vision is blinding you.

I have waited to long for Velious, including to much time spent on kunark. (despite your forum join date of a year ago.

I'm a better programmer who could do this a lot faster in my spare time and have completed bigger projects faster.

Nilbog tell me how much is complete because you owe it to me.

I don't want a new server just give me more content

Oh yeah and I understand this game is FREE but you guys are stalling on content and I'm getting sick of doing the same stuff over and over because you guys won't hurry up.



Did I miss anything?

[Atmas]

The title of this thread is "We dont need another server right now, we need Velious", this title indicates a belief that creating the new server is a resource impairment to launching Velious.

[Nirgon]

Elderan finally stepping out of the red section and getting completely slain in ForumQuest :(

Best thing we could tell him is this and an excellent point in the thread:

People have been playing here longer than you and don't complain.

[Tikku82]

I guess what I don't get is why a new PvP server and not a fresh Blue?

No players for 2 blue servers. Team pvp appeals to different type of people and wont harm blue population AS much

[Stinkum]

My statement never said the new server was taking time away from Velious.

My point was the timing is terrible and just not needed right now.

Nilbog what percentage complete is Velious right now?

Your statement definitely did imply that.

You coming off as an entitled, rude douche may be the only thing this entire community and P99 staff have agreed on in months.

[Elderan]

The title of this thread is "We dont need another server right now, we need Velious", this title indicates a belief that creating the new server is a resource impairment to launching Velious.

The title is more a indication of the current state of the Red server. By announcing a server that might go live at some point in the next 2-4 months it has put R99 into a state of limbo.

I think they thought people invested on R99 would stay and play on R99 while T99 was going on. However what it has done is put all new players on R99 into a mode of why invest time on R99 when everyone is moving to T99 at least until the servers merge.

90% of my guild which is the largest on R99 is going to abandon R99 while T99 is active until the merge. R99 will struggle to get above 20 pop after T99 is live. This is currently throwing R99 into a state of limo for an unknown period of time since they announce a server with no release date.

[Elderan]

Elderan finally stepping out of the red section and getting completely slain in ForumQuest :(

Best thing we could tell him is this and an excellent point in the thread:

I am the point man for many whom I have talked with and they wanted me to take more direct involvement to get answers and actions.

That is why I am investing my time in figuring this out.

[Stinkum]

^ Trying desperately to backpedal.

We all understood what your title was implying.

[Nirgon]

I am the point man

If you guys don't frequent the red section or know the community, it is chock full of some true internet lulz-gold.


Here's a nugget.

[Lyra]

I guess what I don't get is why a new PvP server and not a fresh Blue?

Feel free to correct me.

Rogean, Nilbog and Sirken are PvP enthusiasts. They played PvP in EQ. They play PvP in other games. They experience they are trying to recreate includes PvP.

Those of us not interested in PvP, are along for the ride.

[Elderan]

Feel free to correct me.

Rogean, Nilbog and Sirken are PvP enthusiasts. They played PvP in EQ. They play PvP in other games. They experience they are trying to recreate includes PvP.

Those of us not interested in PvP, are along for the ride.

People on blue don't know the true story about why this server is being created.

[Deli]

From what I've deduced the new server is also trying to partially address an issue of a guild of neckbeards that have control of r99. Their unholy leader being the OP perhaps?

[Nirgon]

People on blue don't know the true story about why this server is being created.


http://31.media.tumblr.com/7320b3cb99a0cd503a40f3cbe0d1e591/tumblr_mr1nwmfnp81rhbbivo1_400.jpg

Lord Helmet

known aliases:
"The Point Man"
"Eldermoran"

[Calabee]

People on blue don't know the true story about why this server is being created.

lol? you must be the kind of guy who prints out shirt saying: 9/11 was an inside's job

[Elderan]

From what I've deduced the new server is also trying to partially address an issue of a guild of neckbeards that have control of r99. Their unholy leader being the OP perhaps?

So why don't they create a new Blue server since TMO has dominated year for far longer.

If we are going to use that same logic.

[Nirgon]

Close, he makes a PvP leader board that doesn't record kills on his guild or he edits them apparently. Screen shots have been offered as proof.

[formallydickman]

I guess what I don't get is why a new PvP server and not a fresh Blue?

It would seem that they believe there is an untapped population that desires a certain EQ pvp experience that r99 doesn't fulfill and that a team server would. I think it'll flop just like r99, but thats just me.

[Nirgon]

There's a big difference between a "controlled" server that people want to play and one where people don't want to play.

Presuming he can count or at least compare and contrast number of decimal places, maybe directing him to main page here or server select screen will clear things up.

[Elderan]

lol? you must be the kind of guy who prints out shirt saying: 9/11 was an inside's job

It is not a conspiracy really, nothing to do with the staff.

R99 raid content is dominated by one guild, just like Blue is dominated by TMO. Since its a red server instead of being happy to raid hate/pof/sky like non TMO people do on blue they mostly quit which results in reds lower population.

So ideas were floated to help R99 population. Alot of reasonable ideas are out there. Like making it less red so blue players might want to escape the over population of blue and other players. The goal is/was 300 pop a night, it was about 140-170 a night so we are not talking about a massive influx of people.

A small group of exiles of the server who had been beaten every which way started a campaign to beat the top guild. Since they knew they could not do it in game they took for forum questing and talking with gms etc. They wanted to get a wipe or new server which they knew would destroy the existing server.

Sirken took up their side and started talking to Rogean and nilbog. So they got talked into this new server with the total intention of its only goal of destroying R99.

R99 can be fix with some small easy changes. The new server is not needed right now as my topic states.

[Elderan]

Close, he makes a PvP leader board that doesn't record kills on his guild or he edits them apparently. Screen shots have been offered as proof.

If you really believe that then you are truely lost and have no sense of reality.

Give me ONE example of this ever happening.

[Nirgon]

Lol is that what you think. Several 42 day server resets later, Elderan still denting his helmet.

[Elderan]

There's a big difference between a "controlled" server that people want to play and one where people don't want to play.

Presuming he can count or at least compare and contrast number of decimal places, maybe directing him to main page here or server select screen will clear things up.

R99 can gain 150 people a night with some simple fixes. The new server is not needed right now.

[Elderan]

Lol is that what you think. Several 42 day server resets later, Elderan still denting his helmet.

If you think Rogean can even name 3 people in nihilum you are not living in reality.

[Rec]

science

[Nirgon]

Enjoy your soon to be RNF'd thread!

"Recent" news: http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=121175

Why does no one want to play here! Gee!

[Ephi]

Server staff not giving players what they want when they want it? Shits classic, bro.

[Elderan]

Enjoy your soon to be RNF'd thread!

"Recent" news: http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=121175

Why does no one want to play here! Gee!

People dont want to play there because people like Kimm roots guards next to someone afk for 8 hours and delevels them from 35 to 5 and then gets suspended. Then people (your friends) start threads shouting free KIMM.

[Elderan]

Server staff not giving players what they want when they want it? Shits classic, bro.

Except the staff got trolled into a new server for one reason, they wanted to destroy R99 because of one guild.

So the staff got fooled in this case.

There are many ways to improve R99 pop and none include destroying it as the new server would.

[Nirgon]

I wouldn't free Kimm bro. Anyways, we've been through the server reset/content changes stuff plenty and it bears no repeating because it does no good to the community.

Or the red server population.

So I consider threads crying about what happened to red a result of karma.

[nilbog]

This is not the type of thread I want in Server Chat. People being flamed, and general argumentative discussion. It is something pvp server chat should learn from pve server chat.

Locked.