No problem with you bards until tonight, what you guys should understand.

[Buma]

EDIT: For those saying go elsewhere, as addressed to another poster later in this thread. It's easier to exp in places like OT for players because simply getting into solA or solB for example is slim to none for a good exp group. This is because of several reasons but the main reason is places like this have limited camp spots and most are loot spots so they tend to be camped by the same people over and over. Also just finding a capable pug group with the right classes is harder. Have you tried grouping in a dungeon without a snarer, it is harder for everyone. Other factors include waiting for hours to get a open spot in the lesser camp spots in these dungeons, which for most players isn't fun so why wait when you can get genuinely good exp for low risk in places like OT? Again, EQ is not LINEAR so suggesting you need to do this place and this place in order is not what EQ is about. I play for fun, and so do others.

Overthere - Bards mass kite tons of mobs we get it, fine good for you bards. Except one problem here. OT is a great level zone for everyone else as well with the high exp here. But as I said in my title I have no problem with bards and their kiting mass amounts until tonight in OT. Non-bard players have a few spots where we exp at and they are the following.

1. SF ramp area. Pulls to this spot include everything pathing down the sides of SF either direction and out from SF the road to the small pond. SMALL AREA TO PULL FROM.

2. FM zone area. Pulls are mostly anything pathing down below near road and off to the sides. SMALL AREA TO PULL FROM.

3. Sarnaks ruins/outpost straight out from SF or FM. Small tiny camp spot for a group. Pulls are everything in the ruins there.

4. There maybe other spots but lets focus on the majority of what players are killing here from the above 1,2,3.


Now back to the bard drama that is in this zone OT that I experienced tonight and would like to address for the bard kiting community. Nothing more than a constructive criticism for you guys.

It's more of a respect thing, some bards have it and some do not. Bards normally in OT will take everything SE corner of zone and North that spans a quarter to half way across the map west for pulling and they end up killing their mass pulls SE area of OT, however; some bards are dicks and don't care about their other fellow players. And as such these other bards are pulling everything from the normal areas where other classes are exp'ing at. Making it difficult to have any mobs to kill.

Had two group members die earlier because of bards pulling through our camp and dying and all agro being tossed back to our party. Had a bard pulling our camp and taking our mobs which resulted in twice of having to wait the 25min+ for them to respawn to start to get any pulls again for experience at the Sarnak camp. SF area has been pulled multiple times tonight which broke out into drama in shouts. Bards do not need to be pulling anything in these areas deemed for normal players.

If we can get a consensus as to what bards should be pulling in OT of specific areas then we can all rest knowing we will have some content to ourselves.

As a side note, pulling anything from their mass kite trains is not recommended as a few had to zone from some bards dying trying to master their ways. I know we can find a solution. But the downright disrespect to other fellow players is what pisses me off the most I guess. It's like rules do not apply for them. Don't pull the areas other community players are trying to use to level up at. Thank you.

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c259/RKSPORT/AC/Map_overtherebard_zpsba94fe89.jpg

[SCB]

If a bard pulls a horde, dies, and trains another group, they're in direct violation of the training policy on this server, and a petition should be filed.

If you're going to mass kite, it is your responsibility to not kill other players. If you train other players, you face the penalties for training when your activity is reported to GMs. This is an open and shut case. Ban a few bards and this won't happen any more.

[Buma]

If a bard pulls a horde, dies, and trains another group, they're in direct violation of the training policy on this server, and a petition should be filed.

If you're going to mass kite, it is your responsibility to not kill other players. If you train other players, you face the penalties for training when your activity is reported to GMs. This is an open and shut case. Ban a few bards and this won't happen any more.

Yes I agree, however; it was not my intention to petition anyone earlier for it because it's hard to tell which bard had what train of mobs, plus they got clicky resed so it was okay, just sucks downtime plus waiting for mobs to repops cause they take forever to kill all them. Again with so many bards kiting it is hard to say who has what train unless you see them at the front with it trailing behind, but most the time the trains just go by and being OT the rain never stops so you got that FOG.....OMG THE FOG! Make the rain stop haha.

[SCB]

Being rezzed from a train doesn't excuse the act of training. Either learn to kite in an unpopulated zone or learn to group as a bard. Not a hard concept. GMs have the tools needed to figure out what bard killed who. Petition them, get some bans rolling, and let's learn from their mistakes.

[Langrisserx]

I enjoyed your presentation and thoughts. Very good proposal and you've done your homework. If nothing else, kudos to your efforts.

[Fawqueue]

If it's any consolation Buma, the bards you usually see monopolizing your mobs in OT end up quitting shortly after when life as a bard begins to require a little more effort.

[Calabee]

fuck ae kiting

[kenzar]

Training bans only happen when the train was intentional and when there is sufficient evidence provving intentions, like a fraps video. Since the bards intent is to level and not train groups said bards will never be banned. Roaming outdoor mobs are first come first serve, sorry. Mass kiting is not against the rules and neither is monopolizing entire zone npc populations, as long as they were first to pull. Its eq guys, nothing is handed to you.

[spoils]

Op confirmed Perun alt

[thieros]

OT is a great level zone for everyone else as well with the high exp here.

stopped reading here. high exp there? perhaps im mistaken but its blah exp in a volatile bard zone. why group here when there are much better places to group! OT = roughly 75% exp. Check out the following for a more adventureful, and less bardy, time. Most of the below places have better loot as well (unless you are legit earning your OT hammer)


Kaesora 110%
Solusek's Eye 130%
Any city's guards throughout the city(i hate erudites) 100%
Kedge Keep 150-175%
Castle Mistmoore 90%
Frontier Mountains 75%
Crypt of Dalnir 100%
Estate of Unrest 130%
City of Mist 85%
Kurn's Tower 150%
Permafrost 90%


*all exp bonuses in classic timeline, but should be somewhat reflective of current rates, also, i dont know OPs level range so i posted great zones for anyone who might be in OT(15-45). There are also many more alternatives that have the same exp rates. sooo. jus sayin there are options for ya.

[Trouble]

http://i.imgur.com/Uo0xXI9.jpg

Orange = bard pull area

You = somewhere else



JK btw, when people get all whiny and start hollering in OOC and getting the bard hate rolling I don't usually pay 'em much mind, but if you msg me and talk to me like an adult I will leave mobs up for you.

[thieros]

http://i.imgur.com/Uo0xXI9.jpg

Orange = bard pull area

You = somewhere else

fish still fair game!

[Dirkus]

JK btw, when people get all whiny and start hollering in OOC and getting the bard hate rolling I don't usually pay 'em much mind, but if you msg me and talk to me like an adult I will leave mobs up for you.

This. Talk to us, we usually don't mind sharing.

[webrunner5]

fuck ae kiting

What he said. A few of you Jack Asses are going to just totally ruin it for other Bards.

[Estu]

I'm with Thieros on this one. Never understood people who do EXP groups in outdoor zones like Oasis and Overthere. Why would you do this when you can go to a dungeon and get better loot and better EXP? Not to mention, Kunark mobs have more HP than old world mobs, so it's doubly nonsensical for OT. You're basically choosing the worst possible zone to EXP in and then getting upset that people for whom that zone actually makes sense are using it.

Dungeons are great for standard groups: healer, tank, DPS, and CC. Outdoor zones are great for others: bards, quad kiters, fear kiters, and specialized duos. If people grouping EXPing in outdoor zones just went indoors, they'd benefit from more EXP, better loot, and less competition, whereas the people who actually need those zones for their methods of leveling would benefit from having them open. Win-win.

[ripwind]

XP in Kaesora is insane up to about 45/46. Amazed so few people XP there. Especially since melee can be bound right outside. Some decent drops too, including some "garbage" drops that vendor for good amounts (Tombcarver, Spinepiercer, etc.)

[Thulack]

OT is such crappy XP compared to guk's or HHK or any other dungeon. OT and BW should be bard heaven and are for a reason. And this coming from a person that will never play a bard on p99.

[Raavak]

What he said. A few of you Jack Asses are going to just totally ruin it for other Bards.Some are real asses too when you try to work something out. They really do think they have a right to every mob.

I'm with Thieros on this one. Never understood people who do EXP groups in outdoor zones like Oasis and Overthere.It's somewhat safer. Risk/reward thing.

[Fawqueue]

I'm with Thieros on this one. Never understood people who do EXP groups in outdoor zones like Oasis and Overthere. Why would you do this when you can go to a dungeon and get better loot and better EXP? Not to mention, Kunark mobs have more HP than old world mobs, so it's doubly nonsensical for OT. You're basically choosing the worst possible zone to EXP in and then getting upset that people for whom that zone actually makes sense are using it.

Dungeons are great for standard groups: healer, tank, DPS, and CC. Outdoor zones are great for others: bards, quad kiters, fear kiters, and specialized duos. If people grouping EXPing in outdoor zones just went indoors, they'd benefit from more EXP, better loot, and less competition, whereas the people who actually need those zones for their methods of leveling would benefit from having them open. Win-win.

In my experience this has been because the group composition isn't ideal for a dungeon, but is fine for outside. Your group might be able to handle a bunch of single, safe pulls in an outdoor zone but if you are lacking someone to pull or CC efficiently, a dungeon could be more dangerous and a slower-pace.

The truth is people don't like competition when it doesn't work in their favor. If these groups were snagging all the mobs and bards could only manage to find 6 or 7 things for their AoE every 25 minutes...bards would be the ones whining about how unfair it is. You see the same griping when people PL in popular low-level dungeons. But roll into Unrest as a 60 druid and offer someone a 4-hour PL of every mob you can get, and watch them light up with joy. People are fickle, they just want things to go their way. I'm no different, when I sit down to group up with 5 other people I want some xp too. We all just gotta deal, and hope we can rise above our selfish instincts and work together.

[Atmas]

XP in Kaesora is insane up to about 45/46. Amazed so few people XP there. Especially since melee can be bound right outside. Some decent drops too, including some "garbage" drops that vendor for good amounts (Tombcarver, Spinepiercer, etc.)

OT is such crappy XP compared to guk's or HHK or any other dungeon. OT and BW should be bard heaven and are for a reason. And this coming from a person that will never play a bard on p99.

[Champion_Standing]

Training bans only happen when the train was intentional and when there is sufficient evidence provving intentions, like a fraps video. Since the bards intent is to level and not train groups said bards will never be banned. Roaming outdoor mobs are first come first serve, sorry. Mass kiting is not against the rules and neither is monopolizing entire zone npc populations, as long as they were first to pull. Its eq guys, nothing is handed to you.

Training is against the rules, intentional or not. Server rules spell it out clearly.

Monopolizing an entire zones spawns IS against the rules.

you know what else is a server rule? players are not allowed to claim entire zones or multiple camps. http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1122714&postcount=7

[fishingme]

you can easily ruin a bard's day by rooting 2-3 mobs towards the end of their kite without them knowing about it. 3-4 rooted mobs is pretty much assured a death for them. After you root said mobs, just zone out to clear aggro. Rooting isn't Ksing.

[Weekapaug]

Mass kiting is not against the rules and neither is monopolizing entire zone npc populations, as long as they were first to pull. Its eq guys, nothing is handed to you.

What you are describing would have been considered "zone disruption" during classic live and you could wind up with a warning or suspension for that depending on what the GM saw and decided to do. If you already had one of those it could have resulted in a ban. They left "zone disruption" open ended and as a discretionary thing specificly to not have to have a rule for every little instance of douchebaggery and to have to deal with said douchebag lawyering his way around the rules.

It's not a matter of anything being handed to anyone, but players (plural) being able to actually use the content as intended. One player monopolizing an entire zone has never been intended for any zone in any era of this game. If someone was doing it and it affected entire groups of other players, particularly if it commonly resulted in them dying from trains caused by this, intentional or otherwise, it would be a more than safe bet that GMs would have stepped in on live. Here should be no different. You don't have to have a specific rule to tell people to not be assholes in every little case.

Bard AoE kiting, in fact, got nerfed on live specifically because a small minority of bards were monopolizing the more popular exp zones during primetime, by the way.

[kenzar]

Training is against the rules, intentional or not. Server rules spell it out clearly.
Training
Training can be defined as the intentional manipulation of NPC Placement and Aggro in such a way that causes it to attack another player that it wouldn't have otherwise if at it's normal spawn location. The most basic form of this is "dumping" mobs near another player or party and escaping via a form of teleportation or death. Intentional or not, this is against the rules. This rule is not limited to the basic example given, as there are many different forms of training players will use. You take all responsibility for mobs that you aggro. If you are trying to escape from a pack of NPC's but there is another group in your way, do not run through them. Even if your intention is not to train them, it would inevitable cause this and you may be subject to disciplinary. It is recommended that you take the death (Your responsibility for aggroing the mobs) and request a resurrection from nearby players.
^I'm guessing this is what you are referring to?^
kiting != training. No one is trying to escape(zone away) from a pack of NPCs or dump agro when swarm kiting. Either way, getting someone in trouble on a training dispute is nigh impossible; in my several years on the server I've never seen it happen outside of a raid scenario. It's un-enforceable.

Monopolizing an entire zones spawns IS against the rules.
you know what else is a server rule? players are not allowed to claim entire zones or multiple camps.

^this is referring to holding multiple camps within a dungeon(specifically crushbone and black burrow; both places have clearly defined camps.) The server rules are clear that outdoor pathing mobs are not and can never be considered a camp. Stop quote mining out of context.

The rule for outdoor pathing mobs is as follows:
5. Outdoor pathing mobs are not campable unless you are sitting at the spawn point and able to engage it instantly. Outdoor mobs on fast respawn such as HG and spectres, if you cannot engage immediately you do not hold the camp. Please try and share with fellow players in these instances.

I.E. It's FTE on outdoor pathing mobs. If someone is first to engage the entire zone; the entire zone is theirs until they die, or kill it all. "please try and share" isn't an order to share, its a suggestion.

[kenzar]

What you are describing would have been considered "zone disruption" during classic live and you could wind up with a warning or suspension for that depending on what the GM saw and decided to do. If you already had one of those it could have resulted in a ban. They left "zone disruption" open ended and as a discretionary thing specificly to not have to have a rule for every little instance of douchebaggery and to have to deal with said douchebag lawyering his way around the rules.

It's not a matter of anything being handed to anyone, but players (plural) being able to actually use the content as intended. One player monopolizing an entire zone has never been intended for any zone in any era of this game. If someone was doing it and it affected entire groups of other players, particularly if it commonly resulted in them dying from trains caused by this, intentional or otherwise, it would be a more than safe bet that GMs would have stepped in on live. Here should be no different. You don't have to have a specific rule to tell people to not be assholes in every little case.

Bard AoE kiting, in fact, got nerfed on live specifically because a small minority of bards were monopolizing the more popular exp zones during primetime, by the way.

What gave you the impression this was live? Different ruleset; different GMs/Policies; different server.

[Champion_Standing]

^I'm guessing this is what you are referring to?^
kiting != training. No one is trying to escape(zone away) from a pack of NPCs or dump agro when swarm kiting. Either way, getting someone in trouble on a training dispute is nigh impossible; in my several years on the server I've never seen it happen outside of a raid scenario. It's un-enforceable.


^this is referring to holding multiple camps within a dungeon. The server rules are clear that outdoor pathing mobs are not a camp. Stop quote mining out of context.

The rule for outdoor pathing mobs is as follows:


I.E. It's FTE on outdoor pathing mobs. If someone is first to engage the entire zone; the entire zone is theirs until they die, or kill it all. "please try and share" isn't an order to share, its a suggestion.

Training is training, it doesn't matter what you are "trying" to do when it happens.

We aren't talking about people attempting to claim camps on outdoor mobs, this thread didn't start because ___ killed the sarnak that someone was camping in OT. You are the one taking things out of context here. Not being able to claim a specific wanderer spawn as a camp does not = being allowed to pull everything in the zone when other players are there trying to exp.

[Splorf22]

If the OP had been talking about the Dreadlands or South Karana I would have been ready to get my pitchfork, but OT is just designed for bards.

[Weekapaug]

What gave you the impression this was live? Different ruleset; different GMs/Policies; different server.

Keep lawyering.

The GMs have already stated more than once that you can't monopolize entire zones or even multiple spawns within zones. One, as recently as another thread, yesterday, and another from like a year ago specificly talking about bards doing it could result in suspensions.

You made a blanket statement in your earlier post about "this is eq" or something and I was pointing out that not only is what you are saying not the case here, but it wasn't the case on live either. What gave you the impression FTE was a license to disrupt entire zones? Because it's not here nor was it ever on live.

[Nirgon]

Sounds like a great bug to fix, low hp aggro should be a snap gain and not for nearly as much threat. You can completely kill mobs (95% of really high hp ones and presuming no resists) without them ever fighting back.

[Rhambuk]

If a bard pulls a horde, dies, and trains another group, they're in direct violation of the training policy on this server, and a petition should be filed.


Sounds like the kind of thing gm's/devs try to avoid with having players work it out for themselves. if everyone that trained died, noobs in unrest cb bb etc etc. gm's would be living in these low level zones watching for trainers.

everyone interrupts the rules differently but to say that any mob that comes back to you is the responsibility of the puller is a bit of a force.

[kenzar]

Training is training, it doesn't matter what you are "trying" to do when it happens.

We aren't talking about people attempting to claim camps on outdoor mobs, this thread didn't start because ___ killed the sarnak that someone was camping in OT. You are the one taking things out of context here. Not being able to claim a specific wanderer spawn as a camp does not = being allowed to pull everything in the zone when other players are there trying to exp.

Newsflash: Pulling mobs is training and will result in ban lol.

Outdoor pathing mobs are specifically labeled as a first to engage. If a bard is able to pull 100% of the outdoor pathing mobs before anyone else pulls anything 1) everyone else sucks and should just quit or try harder. 2) no rules have been broken.

[SCB]

Newsflash: Pulling mobs is training and will result in ban lol.

Outdoor pathing mobs are specifically labeled as a first to engage. If a bard is able to pull 100% of the outdoor pathing mobs before anyone else pulls anything 1) everyone else sucks and should just quit or try harder. 2) no rules have been broken.

But if his pull kills them, he trained them. This is what you're missing.

[kenzar]

Keep lawyering.

The GMs have already stated more than once that you can't monopolize entire zones or even multiple spawns within zones.

When referring to indoor dungeon mobs the rules are clear. You can hold more than 1 camp as long as you can maintain a presence at the camps you wish to hold. If you have 6 camps in a dungeon, and your group of 6 can put 1 person on each camp, and each single player can hold that camp without leaving then you can in fact hold multiple camps.

One, as recently as another thread, yesterday, and another from like a year ago specificly talking about bards doing it could result in suspensions.
...The name of the thread is "Mass pulling in INDOOR dungeons"... again realize there is a difference between INDOOR(first in first out) and OUTDOOR(first to engage) within the camp ruleset.

I've played on the server 3.5 years and never have I ever seen a bard get in trouble for swarm kiting. Never have I ever seen anyone in trouble for training outside of a raid. I'm not arguing that it was never said, just that it was never enforced; at the end of the day what is the difference between unenforced and never said?

You made a blanket statement in your earlier post about "this is eq" or something and I was pointing out that not only is what you are saying not the case here, but it wasn't the case on live either. What gave you the impression FTE was a license to disrupt entire zones? Because it's not here nor was it ever on live.
I don't know what gave you that impression. My original statement was more to the tune of: "If you think eq is fair, you must have never played it." What I've said is the case here, and it was the case on live in my experiences.(again this isn't live; its dumb to compare the two either way) Bards swarm kite; cry harder.

[kenzar]

But if his pull kills them, he trained them. This is what you're missing.

Been here a long time, I've never heard or seen a training petition(outside of a raid) yield anything. Isn't the existence of swarm kiters 4 years into the server's life proof enough that you're wrong? They've been here since day 1, and are still here 4 years later, obviously no one is getting banned; even threads like this are as old as the server and still...nothing. Hell, I've been in groups that kited the entirety of Skyfire and the only GM interaction we got was a "/shout Wow, thats really clever." followed by some illusions cast on us.

[kenzar]

If the OP had been talking about the Dreadlands or South Karana I would have been ready to get my pitchfork, but OT is just designed for bards.

^

[Weekapaug]

I've played on the server for 3.5 years, also, and I've never seen this bard situation like it is now. Personally, I've never had any problems with them because I don't tend to play in the particular zones that they tend to kite in. And, for the record, the bard is one of my favorite classes and I love to kite...I just don't do it here because I got into other classes shortly after I rolled my bard (my first toon) and never really played it. Bards are fun to solo, they are fun to group with, and they are fun to have in groups, if they are good. Many aren't, but that's a whole other conversation.

But there is most definately a problem of late because of the sheer number of people doing it now (and the sheer number of people affected) and the sheer number of people trying to do it and failing, which is probably where most of the problems lie...Sooner or later it's going to have to be addressed. Just ignoring it because of what the posted rules say, that are 4 years old, by the way, when the topic comes up multiple times daily, is talked about constantly in-game, and has created a general disdain for an entire class as a whole, while the GMs are commenting more and more on it, is just a little naive, dontcha think?

This is going to end badly for some people and I highly doubt it's the ones you are telling to "cry harder."

[Buma]

stopped reading here. high exp there? perhaps im mistaken but its blah exp in a volatile bard zone. why group here when there are much better places to group! OT = roughly 75% exp. Check out the following for a more adventureful, and less bardy, time. Most of the below places have better loot as well (unless you are legit earning your OT hammer)


Kaesora 110%
Solusek's Eye 130%
Any city's guards throughout the city(i hate erudites) 100%
Kedge Keep 150-175%
Castle Mistmoore 90%
Frontier Mountains 75%
Crypt of Dalnir 100%
Estate of Unrest 130%
City of Mist 85%
Kurn's Tower 150%
Permafrost 90%


*all exp bonuses in classic timeline, but should be somewhat reflective of current rates, also, i dont know OPs level range so i posted great zones for anyone who might be in OT(15-45). There are also many more alternatives that have the same exp rates. sooo. jus sayin there are options for ya.

Yes the exp is good here. Other people posting go to dungeon x y z, it's not that easy guys. Dungeon groups are hard to find, they generally are all taken up by the main guilds who are generally camping stuff for profit. You would be lucky to get into a group in places like this for exp and loot if you're outside the box (circle).

What I don't understand is opinions like this, like EQ is suppose to be a LINEAR game, when in fact players tend to do and go where they can easily exp and get groups like OT. I am sorry if it is easy for you other players to get groups in places like solA and solB. Trust me you have no idea how hard it is to get into a exp grp in these places where loot also drops, let alone just a exp group capable of keeping any camp in one these zones if you're not in one the so called top guilds.

[kenzar]

I've played on the server for 3.5 years, also, and I've never seen this bard situation like it is now. Personally, I've never had any problems with them because I don't tend to play in the particular zones that they tend to kite in. And, for the record, the bard is one of my favorite classes and I love to kite...I just don't do it here because I got into other classes shortly after I rolled my bard (my first toon) and never really played it. Bards are fun to solo, they are fun to group with, and they are fun to have in groups, if they are good. Many aren't, but that's a whole other conversation.

But there is most definately a problem of late because of the sheer number of people doing it now (and the sheer number of people affected) and the sheer number of people trying to do it and failing, which is probably where most of the problems lie...Sooner or later it's going to have to be addressed. Just ignoring it because of what the posted rules say, that are 4 years old, by the way, when the topic comes up multiple times daily, is talked about constantly in-game, and has created a general disdain for an entire class as a whole, while the GMs are commenting more and more on it, is just a little naive, dontcha think?

This is going to end badly for some people and I highly doubt it's the ones you are telling to "cry harder."

I don't know what gives you the impression that anything has changed or will change, this same argument gets rehashed every few weeks for YEARS. People have always complained about bards swarm kiting; they always will and nothing has ever been done about it; what in the world makes you think this is any different? Swarm kiting is within the ruleset for outdoor zones, period.

[Buma]

Op confirmed Perun alt

I'm not Perun or whoever that player is, please try again. I'm a highly adventurous and amazing person who resides currently on P99. I don't start trouble, nor am I a hater, and I always help my fellow player out. Hell I even gave over 4k away in items to noobs a few days ago. So please don't call me someone I am not. As you know some people make threads here discussing things in a mature manor while trying to give constructive criticism, if nothing more than being anon because a lot of players like myself don't care to let others know who we are.

[Lyra]

Sometimes I wonder if you are all on a different server. The game is HUGE. Do you go looking for bards? I'm leveling a character in East Karana right now. I haven't seen another player in days.

As I've said several times, I leveled from 30 to 50 exclusively in OT on my druid (within the last 4 months). Bards were there pulling constantly. Some how I managed quite well. It's been said a bunch of times, but if a bard is annoying you ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS SEND A POLITE TELL AND BE WILLING TO NEGOTIATE.

I think there is something else going on. Maybe it has something to do with level 30. Since it's rare new players stick around past level 30, maybe the reality of the time commitment sets in and the player becomes agitated about the time they hit OT and have to cohabitate with bards. That certainly would fit with the time line of the last big boom to hit the server and all of these bard posts. This is why I wanted the player data base someone was working on to show specific character information. My theory could be analyzed.

I leveled my cleric in Droga from 30 - 40. I formed the groups. Sure it was annoying when we just got to camp and someone bailed, but eventually I made friends with reliable, solid players who enjoy dungeons. We moved to City of Mist after.

[Stinkum]

The problem isn't Bards.

The problem is the ridiculous efficiency of Bard power leveling for the mid-level range, as well as the high demand for such AE kiting services.

At a going rate of 2-3k per hour and endless supply of customers, it is probably the fastest and easiest way to make money in the game. That itself is a recipe for the more unsavory types of players to try to dip their beaks on that sweet AE kiting money. Unsavory types who really don't care that they train, steal mobs, monopolize content, and are general assholes to everyone in the process.

Back when I was XPing in OT, Capi was there 4-5 hours a night at primetime consistently keep pulling every last cactus, rhino, tiger, and cockatrice from Skyfire ramp, as well as the entire zone. I remember the group I was in politely asked if he could leave some up for us, since we were there before he even got here, and he didn't give a shit.

Your average Bard player is great, but beware of the power leveling douche bags.

[Weekapaug]

I don't know what gives you the impression that anything has changed or will change, this same argument gets rehashed every few weeks for YEARS. People have always complained about bards swarm kiting; they always will and nothing has ever been done about it; what in the world makes you think this is any different? Swarm kiting is within the ruleset for outdoor zones, period.

Not years. Not like this. People always complain about everything. But this, now, is different. Not every few weeks. Multiple times, daily. Here and in-game.

And you can keep jumping up and down citing "rules" but there has been more attention drawn to this now more than ever. No one ever said swarm kiting was against the rules. What I and most others here have been talking about is monopolization of entire zones. It's a different thing entirely. And it's happening constantly.

But you go on your merry way and I'll try not to laugh when the hammer comes down.

[Buma]

Sometimes I wonder if you are all on a different server. The game is HUGE. Do you go looking for bards? I'm leveling a character in East Karana right now. I haven't seen another player in days.

As I've said several times, I leveled from 30 to 50 exclusively in OT on my druid (within the last 4 months). Bards were there pulling constantly. Some how I managed quite well. It's been said a bunch of times, but if a bard is annoying you ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS SEND A POLITE TELL AND BE WILLING TO NEGOTIATE.

I think there is something else going on. Maybe it has something to do with level 30. Since it's rare new players stick around past level 30, maybe the reality of the time commitment sets in and the player becomes agitated about the time they hit OT and have to cohabitate with bards. That certainly would fit with the time line of the last big boom to hit the server and all of these bard posts. This is why I wanted the player data base someone was working on to show specific character information. My theory could be analyzed.

I leveled my cleric in Droga from 30 - 40. I formed the groups. Sure it was annoying when we just got to camp and someone bailed, but eventually I made friends with reliable, solid players who enjoy dungeons. We moved to City of Mist after.

It can happen that you find players who are on your time schedule and start getting a core going, but it is rare. As I said I'm not to get bards nerfed or am I concerned for their mass low hp kiting, however; what I am concerned for as mentioned in my thread here is that it is out of control for how some bards are treating the area in OT. The disrespect they give fellow players who are trying to level near the areas that bards shouldn't be pulling from is my motivation for this thread.

If it gets everyone's panties in an uproar then they either haven't comprehended the thread well or they just don't care. But I agree with you on the level 30 plateau that most players run into. Classic EQ was a very time consuming hard game. It was super social, and this is a subject for another thread but players now seem to get annoyed like you said, and it seems many rather solo.

[kenzar]

Not years. Not like this. People always complain about everything. But this, now, is different.

And you can keep jumping up and down citing "rules" but there has been more attention drawn to this now more than ever. No one ever said swarm kiting was against the rules. What I and most others here have been talking about is monopolization of entire zones. It's a different thing entirely. And it's happening constantly.

But you go on your merry way and I'll try not to laugh when the hammer comes down.

Claims require evidence. Saying "its different" doesn't mean shit lol. Show us how this is any different than the 50 other bard kiting QQ threads posted over the last 4 years, all about the monopolization of zones and training. Quit with the hyperbole and anecdotes they dont mean anything to anyone with a brain.

Oh no, I'm sorry I've cited the rules of the server. Geez its like I wanted to provide some sort of evidence for my claims...weird.

Finally, if you think anyone will eat a ban or even a suspension(hell even a warning) for this you're dumber than I gave you credit for.

[Lyra]

The disrespect they give fellow players who are trying to level near the areas that bards shouldn't be pulling from is my motivation for this thread.

This is the person though, not the class. We could discuss the population of this server. Since most of you fit in the same demographic, I'll offend most of you P~ I'll also offend the guys I play with every night when I explain how when they all get together, their maturity level drops about 15 years...

[Swish]

SoW an evil caster or group of casters (DE wizard perfect)... get him/them to level 1 nuke everything in sight where the offending bard is pulling.

Wizard runs to OT outpost, guards/golems/gargoyles etc then spend the next 5-10 minutes cutting through the train.

Nobody wins, but if the bards aren't playing fair the only thing left to do (if petitions aren't working to stop it) is deny them the zone.

(it really shouldn't come to that)

[kenzar]

The disrespect they give fellow players who are trying to level near the areas that bards shouldn't be pulling from is my motivation for this thread.

Oh wow, I'm sorry bards pulled outside their designated spots...wait, who the fuck are you to tell anyone where they can and cannot pull from again?

[Swish]

Also Amelinda was very anti-bard swarm kiting during peak hours, I know she's no longer here but it would be nice to see a similar stance from the current GMs :p

[kenzar]

Also Amelinda was very anti-bard swarm kiting during peak hours, I know she's no longer here but it would be nice to see a similar stance from the current GMs :p

She probably only had the stance because she was paid to have it. Terrible GM was terrible.

[Champion_Standing]

You are kidding yourself if you think nobody has ever been suspended over training outside of a raid. I've been part of a group and watched a GM come boot someone who was repeatedly training us in Mistmoore, I don't believe it was intentional, but it ended up disrupting other players and getting people killed. Didn't see the person online for at least a week after said incident.

When people go through the proper channels such as creating a petition thread and provide proof, there will be action taken. You just have to realize that you don't see these threads, people going through the proper channels don't create a spectacle for the entire server to see on the forums.

[Wudan]

Im sorry but i have to be honest here. OP is confirmed retard

[Swish]

.

I thought you were awarded 9th place Mr Worf? Didn't a klingon use an illegal move and give you a concussion?

Star Trek TNG Episode "Parallels" if anyone is wondering what the fuck I'm on about :p

[Estu]

Yes the exp is good here. Other people posting go to dungeon x y z, it's not that easy guys. Dungeon groups are hard to find, they generally are all taken up by the main guilds who are generally camping stuff for profit. You would be lucky to get into a group in places like this for exp and loot if you're outside the box (circle).

What I don't understand is opinions like this, like EQ is suppose to be a LINEAR game, when in fact players tend to do and go where they can easily exp and get groups like OT. I am sorry if it is easy for you other players to get groups in places like solA and solB. Trust me you have no idea how hard it is to get into a exp grp in these places where loot also drops, let alone just a exp group capable of keeping any camp in one these zones if you're not in one the so called top guilds.

I really don't know where this is coming from. The best money camps are in high demand, sure, but there are tons of other places in dungeons that are either open or being camped by random pick-up groups (not monopolized by major raiding guilds in the slightest) and these places often have loot (nothing you're going to get rich off of, but loot nonetheless). If there aren't a bunch of people in the dungeon already, you can do a /who all warrior 25 35, or whatever class and level range you're looking for, find players who want to go to a dungeon with you, and start a group. Literally every EXP group I've ever been in at levels below 50 or so has been made up of random people, maybe two or three from some leveling guild, but never completely made up of members of a single raiding guild.

[Buma]

Oh wow, I'm sorry bards pulled outside their designated spots...wait, who the fuck are you to tell anyone where they can and cannot pull from again?

WOW aren't you cool. Have you read the thread? My post was constructive criticism, it was intended for actual bards to look at and give a consensus to what is actually or should be their designated pull areas they use. If you (bard) took offense to the thread then I can only hand you some cream for your butt hurt. Again it's why we have forums. I am nobody to tell you where or how to pull, but if you read the thread you would understand that.

Im sorry but i have to be honest here. OP is confirmed retard

Yes I am partly retarded from the years of reading posts like yours. The dumbing down of society and the anti social non comprehending people that seem to have monopolized the word retard have little to no effect on me. :D

[kenzar]

words.....I am nobody to tell you where or how to pull....words

/thread

Designated pull areas do not exist in EQ. Compete or die.

[Buma]

/thread

Designated pull areas do not exist in EQ. Compete or die.

They certainly do, it may not be written rules but they do exist. Have you played live throughout the years? General camp spots in outdoors have designated pull areas, if you got a named that pops on a hill you got all mobs between you and that hill for your group. It so happens to be true, just a picky bard like yourself seems to think they don't exist.

[kenzar]

They certainly do, it may not be written rules but they do exist. Have you played live throughout the years? General camp spots in outdoors have designated pull areas, if you got a named that pops on a hill you got all mobs between you and that hill for your group. It so happens to be true, just a picky bard like yourself seems to think they don't exist.

<not a bard

Show me a rule that designates a pull area for specific classes...hell show me a rule that designates ANY pull area. Are you referring to player made agreements? Fuck those, nothing is sacred not even "general consensus"

This game caters to no one; compete or fail. You aren't going to change the game to suit your needs, so what exactly are you after?

[Weekapaug]

Claims require evidence. Saying "its different" doesn't mean shit lol. Show us how this is any different than the 50 other bard kiting QQ threads posted over the last 4 years, all about the monopolization of zones and training. Quit with the hyperbole and anecdotes they dont mean anything to anyone with a brain.

Oh no, I'm sorry I've cited the rules of the server. Geez its like I wanted to provide some sort of evidence for my claims...weird.

Finally, if you think anyone will eat a ban or even a suspension(hell even a warning) for this you're dumber than I gave you credit for.

So, earlier in this thread you said because you, personally, have never seen anyone get banned or suspended for training, it doesn't happen. Now, you say anecdotal discussion is meaningless. Which is it, Mr. Consistent?

You have cited rules that don't apply to this situation and are skipping over others that do. Other people have pointed this out to you but you just can't seem to grasp that what you have quoted has nothing to do with zone disruption issues, which is what monopolization of zones, particularly crowded ones, is.

I'm simply saying that in my time on P99, I've never seen the bard aoe situation like this and, particularly, the general attitude of the server towards them quite like this. And I, personally, have a sneaking suspicion that there is going to be a rude awakening for idiots like yourself who are content to continue doing what they have been doing because they play a certain class they have free reign to do whatever they want. You could sell accounts for years here, too....Until a couple of months ago when you couldn't.

You might see it differently and that's fine, but your jumping up and down like a poop flinging monkey doesn't change my opinion, nor will it keep me from discussing it. If that's a problem for you, I guess that's your fucking problem. BTW, you know the easiest way to tell if someone in a discussion is retarded? By the number of times they use any variation of the word "crying" or "QQ."

[kenzar]

So, earlier in this thread you said because you, personally, have never seen anyone get banned or suspended for training, it doesn't happen. Now, you say anecdotal discussion is meaningless. Which is it, Mr. Consistent?

You have cited rules that don't apply to this situation and are skipping over others that do. Other people have pointed this out to you but you just can't seem to grasp that what you have quoted has nothing to do with zone disruption issues, which is what monopolization of zones, particularly crowded ones, is.

I'm simply saying that in my time on P99, I've never seen the bard aoe situation like this and, particularly, the general attitude of the server towards them quite like this. And I, personally, have a sneaking suspicion that there is going to be a rude awakening for idiots like yourself who are content to continue doing what they have been doing because they play a certain class they have free reign to do whatever they want. You could sell accounts for years here, too....Until a couple of months ago when you couldn't.

You might see it differently and that's fine, but your jumping up and down like a poop flinging monkey doesn't change my opinion, nor will it keep me from discussing it. If that's a problem for you, I guess that's your fucking problem. BTW, you know the easiest way to tell if someone in a discussion is retarded? By the number of times they use any variation of the word "crying" or "QQ."

which rule did I cite that is not applicable?

"Ive never seen anyone banned or suspended for it" was more to the point that it is unenforced/unable to be enforced. Reading is hard :(

[Weekapaug]

It's already been covered, my friend. I'm not going to go back and pick through everything because you can't read and comprehend. It's right there in what you quoted before. LOL

Hint: Stop reading what you want the rules to say and actually read what they say.

[kenzar]

I realized I'm wrong and now I refuse to acknowledge it.

Well put.

[webrunner5]

I really don't know where this is coming from. The best money camps are in high demand, sure, but there are tons of other places in dungeons that are either open or being camped by random pick-up groups (not monopolized by major raiding guilds in the slightest) and these places often have loot (nothing you're going to get rich off of, but loot nonetheless). If there aren't a bunch of people in the dungeon already, you can do a /who all warrior 25 35, or whatever class and level range you're looking for, find players who want to go to a dungeon with you, and start a group. Literally every EXP group I've ever been in at levels below 50 or so has been made up of random people, maybe two or three from some leveling guild, but never completely made up of members of a single raiding guild.

Why do you keep raging on Dungeons? Druids, Rangers are a outdoor class. Wizards sure as hell aren't going to Quad Kite indoors either. It is a ton safer to level outdoors. You can't have one person have an entire zone. I don't care how "Crappy" some others think the XP is there.

[Weekapaug]

Well put.

Ah yes, the other surefire indicator you are dealing with a prizewinning idiot. The edited quote. That's never been done before. And so clever, too.

Seriously, if you actually go back and read your quote....as in really read it, skippy....I know that's hard but if you go slowly enough and repeat as necessary I know you can do it.....You will see what I'm talking about.

[SCB]

Been here a long time, I've never heard or seen a training petition(outside of a raid) yield anything. Isn't the existence of swarm kiters 4 years into the server's life proof enough that you're wrong? They've been here since day 1, and are still here 4 years later, obviously no one is getting banned; even threads like this are as old as the server and still...nothing. Hell, I've been in groups that kited the entirety of Skyfire and the only GM interaction we got was a "/shout Wow, thats really clever." followed by some illusions cast on us.

You're mistaking me saying that training other players due to your failure is against rules as me somehow saying "I don't like when players pull too much."

Take your head out of your ass and learn how to read. Training other people is illegal under server rules. I don't give a shit if you can just kill a lot - that's a meaningless complaint. The only comments I've made are that if you kill other people with your own failing, you need to be held responsible.

[Stinkum]

Not sure if they just like arguing or what, but it's pretty crazy how emotional Kenzar/others are getting over this.

[Weekapaug]

Take your head out of your ass and learn how to read.

[Yinikren]

Bard kiting? Root a mob, or get an enc to cast Blanket of Forgetfulness.

Problem solved.

Zone monopolization is against the rules, it doesn't matter what zone it is, whose lawyering the rules, or whatever else the fuck you guys can think of. If one person's actions can actively restrict/prevent a zoneful of outdoor people (because someone might not actually want/have the time to sit and crawl Lguk) then that qualifies as monopolization.

[Weekapaug]

Not sure if they just like arguing or what, but it's pretty crazy how emotional Kenzar/others are getting over this.

If you've played on the server for any amount of time you probably have noticed that, while most people are very cool on p99 and many are much cooler than you would normally have run into on live, the server is simultaneously infested with a large contingent of complete nutsacks. All servers have them, but p99 has a disproportionately high percentage of lamer poons to the overall population than would have been found on live.

These types of people often have a sociopathic tendency towards rationalizing publicly why their unacceptable behavior is acceptable. After years of putting up with these stooges, the need to respond on the part of those of us who really like the server and want to see it do well and be a good place to play is sometimes there, yes.

[skipdog]

Bard kiting? Root a mob, or get an enc to cast Blanket of Forgetfulness.

Problem solved.

Zone monopolization is against the rules, it doesn't matter what zone it is, whose lawyering the rules, or whatever else the fuck you guys can think of. If one person's actions can actively restrict/prevent a zoneful of outdoor people (because someone might not actually want/have the time to sit and crawl Lguk) then that qualifies as monopolization.

What 'monopolization' rules are you referring to? I can't seem to find them. The only rule I can find seems to state that you cannot claim outdoor pathing mobs. Can you point out the monopolization rule for me? Thanks!

[Yinikren]

Not going to look for it again, check the thread. Sirken has stated before that zone monopolization, claiming multiple camps, etc is against server rules.

[indiscriminate_hater]

Let me preface this by saying that of course no zones are "reserved" for bards. Hopefully it's obvious that most people saying this are being sarcastic because of how dense the people complaining seem to be.

The OP is the latest is a long, increasingly frequent list of people bringing up bard kiting. I thought this has been covered before, but here are a few relevant points:

(1) There are plenty of places to level in this game. Although I agree that players should not be forced to move due to other players monopolizing large amounts of mobs in a zone, the truth is that there are some inconsiderate people playing this game. It is also true that if the worst does happen, your time is almost always better spent locating another place to level then by complaining for hours on a forum that is probably not seen by the majority of these inconsiderate players.
(2) Not all bards are douchebags, and not all douchebags are bards.
(3) It is possible to kill 200 mobs in a kite without using a bard.
(4) If a player happens to be able to kill more mobs per hour than you, that does not give you a reason to complain.
(5) If a player gets you killed by training, under any circumstances, and with 1 mob or with 100 mobs, then it's that player's fault.

I'd also like to point out a few inconsistencies in the OP's posts because these seem to be common lately:

I'm a highly adventurous and amazing person who resides currently on P99.

Sticking in one outdoor zone through a large chunk of the most exciting levels in EQ is hardly adventurous

Hell I even gave over 4k away in items to noobs a few days ago

Someone in your level range, that can give away 4k, is complaining about not being powerful enough to level elsewhere?

It's easier to exp in places like OT for players because simply getting into solA or solB for example is slim to none for a good exp group. This is because of several reasons but the main reason is places like this have limited camp spots and most are loot spots so they tend to be camped by the same people over and over.

Are you aware of how many mobs reside in the average dungeon? Take a gander at Jeremy's twitch stream when they're pulling Chardok AOE to get an idea.

Again, EQ is not LINEAR so suggesting you need to do this place and this place in order is not what EQ is about.

What I don't understand is opinions like this, like EQ is suppose to be a LINEAR game, when in fact players tend to do and go where they can easily exp and get groups like OT

just... wat

Dungeon groups are hard to find, they generally are all taken up by the main guilds who are generally camping stuff for profit. You would be lucky to get into a group in places like this for exp and loot if you're outside the box (circle).

Have you ever been to the dungeons on the quoted list? Kaesora, Dalnir, Unrest, Runneye, Permafrost, Sol A, Guks, HHK, Nurga, Droga, any outdoor city with guards? A large number of these literally empty during peak hours (and yes, minus camps like Chief Rokgus).

However, since people still seem to feel entitled to hand-holding from a game that promises them absolutely nothing, I have taken the time (read: 5 minutes) to compile a list of outdoor zones that can support reasonable leveling in the 30-45 range. Note that this list is likely incomplete and doesn't count most of the out-of-the-way cities.

http://i.imgur.com/cdRP2Ss.jpg

[skipdog]

Not going to look for it again, check the thread. Sirken has stated before that zone monopolization, claiming multiple camps, etc is against server rules.

Claiming multiple camps is indeed against the rules, but again, if there is a written rule about 'zone monopolization' you should link it. I cannot find it.

If the official rule is 'a post Sirken made at some point' then somebody needs to update the already established list of rules.

[bloodmuffin]

Explain what "camps" there are in Overthere?

I'm going to roll a bard right now because of you babies.

[skipdog]

Explain what "camps" there are in Overthere?

I'm going to roll a bard right now because of you babies.

There are no 'camps' in The Overthere. The server rules state that you cannot claim outdoor roaming mobs. I was only trying to find out where people got this 'zone monopolization is against the rules' part that doesn't seem to be stated anywhere in the official rules(yet people are claiming that is the rule).

[Champion_Standing]

Claiming multiple camps is indeed against the rules, but again, if there is a written rule about 'zone monopolization' you should link it. I cannot find it.

If the official rule is 'a post Sirken made at some point' then somebody needs to update the already established list of rules.

I've already quoted and linked the post in this thread.

[Champion_Standing]

I thought you were awarded 9th place Mr Worf? Didn't a klingon use an illegal move and give you a concussion?

Star Trek TNG Episode "Parallels" if anyone is wondering what the fuck I'm on about :p

ROFL, I knew someone would get it eventually.

9th place was in the timeline that I escaped from!

[Buma]

<not a bard

Show me a rule that designates a pull area for specific classes...hell show me a rule that designates ANY pull area. Are you referring to player made agreements? Fuck those, nothing is sacred not even "general consensus"

This game caters to no one; compete or fail. You aren't going to change the game to suit your needs, so what exactly are you after?

With that elitist attitude you must go far in life.

[heartbrand]

If only there were a server where you could root rude bards like this and do something about it

[Estu]

Why do you keep raging on Dungeons? Druids, Rangers are a outdoor class. Wizards sure as hell aren't going to Quad Kite indoors either. It is a ton safer to level outdoors. You can't have one person have an entire zone. I don't care how "Crappy" some others think the XP is there.

I'm not sure you read my earlier posts? I said that certain classes, such as quad kiters, are indeed much better suited to outdoor zones. I was addressing the OP's specific situation of a standard EXP group in OT.

[Buma]

Let me preface this by saying that of course no zones are "reserved" for bards. Hopefully it's obvious that most people saying this are being sarcastic because of how dense the people complaining seem to be.

The OP is the latest is a long, increasingly frequent list of people bringing up bard kiting. I thought this has been covered before, but here are a few relevant points:

(1) There are plenty of places to level in this game. Although I agree that players should not be forced to move due to other players monopolizing large amounts of mobs in a zone, the truth is that there are some inconsiderate people playing this game. It is also true that if the worst does happen, your time is almost always better spent locating another place to level then by complaining for hours on a forum that is probably not seen by the majority of these inconsiderate players.
(2) Not all bards are douchebags, and not all douchebags are bards.
(3) It is possible to kill 200 mobs in a kite without using a bard.
(4) If a player happens to be able to kill more mobs per hour than you, that does not give you a reason to complain.
(5) If a player gets you killed by training, under any circumstances, and with 1 mob or with 100 mobs, then it's that player's fault.

I'd also like to point out a few inconsistencies in the OP's posts because these seem to be common lately:



Sticking in one outdoor zone through a large chunk of the most exciting levels in EQ is hardly adventurous



Someone in your level range, that can give away 4k, is complaining about not being powerful enough to level elsewhere?



Are you aware of how many mobs reside in the average dungeon? Take a gander at Jeremy's twitch stream when they're pulling Chardok AOE to get an idea.




just... wat



Have you ever been to the dungeons on the quoted list? Kaesora, Dalnir, Unrest, Runneye, Permafrost, Sol A, Guks, HHK, Nurga, Droga, any outdoor city with guards? A large number of these literally empty during peak hours (and yes, minus camps like Chief Rokgus).

However, since people still seem to feel entitled to hand-holding from a game that promises them absolutely nothing, I have taken the time (read: 5 minutes) to compile a list of outdoor zones that can support reasonable leveling in the 30-45 range. Note that this list is likely incomplete and doesn't count most of the out-of-the-way cities.

http://i.imgur.com/cdRP2Ss.jpg


Dude you quoted me and took everything I said out of context to disprove me or make me look like less of a credible person. Have you read anything I posted? The posts and quotes you did are towards other peoples posts, they have no merit or exceptions to quote those things that pertain to this thread. I really hate people like you, making something that isn't there into something. I bet you think ghosts are real too, probably one of those CONSPIRACY people who thinks the World Trade Center buildings fell down because of explosives. Fuck off trying to make stuff up. Quote me and discuss something real instead of making shit up and taking out of context.

[kaev]

There's nothing wrong with Bards on this server that a few dozen 30-day bans wouldn't straighten out right quick.

[indiscriminate_hater]

Yes, I have read everything you posted. I thought that was obvious based on how many quotes of yours I re-posted.

Also, the context of these quotes is you trying to argue why you deserve easy pulls in a game that is anything but.

Anyhow, I guess you missed the main point of MY post, which was put in bold.

also, Bush, towers, etc.

[Swish]

Good luck with this "debate"

http://www.gifsforum.com/images/gif/i'm%20out%20of%20here/grand/im-out-of-here-eccbc87e4b5ce2fe28308fd9f2a7baf3-1686.gif

[wrxBRAH]

There's nothing wrong with Bards on this server that a few dozen 30-day bans wouldn't straighten out right quick.

[skipdog]

I've already quoted and linked the post in this thread.

Ok, I found it. Thanks.

We need our 'Server Rules' post updated if one GM is going to change the server rules and expect everybody to have seen the post he made at some point. Because isn't Sirkin basically saying, 'If you don't see any mobs around and spot a bard with a HUGE train, just petition, as that bard is breaking the rules of monopolizing a zone'.

Am I missing something? It seems like it would be extremely hard to enforce the 'monopolizing zones' rule. This just goes against what is established as the rules and even against what many people here seem to believe the rules are. The fact is, the server rules specifically state that you can't claim outdoor roaming mobs and there is no mention of 'monopolizing zones' which seems difficult to even prove. I personally can't check on all mobs to see if they are ALL up at any given time. It takes time to run to the other side of the zone and see if those mobs are even up. I just don't quite get how we, as players, can determine when a zone is 'monopolized'.

As I said above, I can only interpret the rules as saying 'start petitioning anytime there aren't mobs to pull near you and you see a bard kiting in a zone'. It just seems like 'when is a zone monopolized' is a difficult question for both player and GM to answer.

[runlvlzero]

PvP in red in OT

[kenzar]

Also, the context of these quotes is you trying to argue why you deserve easy pulls in a game that is anything but.


Someone with a brain decides to join the thread. I thought I was the only one. Everything OP has said is the tune of "I want to make the game easier for me, because Im special. If you dont acknowledge that I'm special than you aren't providing constructive criticism." Welcome to Project1999 where you are not a unique flower, Buma, you are one in a crowd and no one is treated any differently than anyone else.

Ok, I found it. Thanks.

We need our 'Server Rules' post updated if one GM is going to change the server rules and expect everybody to have seen the post he made at some point. Because isn't Sirkin basically saying, 'If you don't see any mobs around and spot a bard with a HUGE train, just petition, as that bard is breaking the rules of monopolizing a zone'.

Am I missing something? It seems like it would be extremely hard to enforce the 'monopolizing zones' rule. This just goes against what is established as the rules and even against what many people here seem to believe the rules are. The fact is, the server rules specifically state that you can't claim outdoor roaming mobs and there is no mention of 'monopolizing zones' which seems difficult to even prove. I personally can't check on all mobs to see if they are ALL up at any given time. It takes time to run to the other side of the zone and see if those mobs are even up. I just don't quite get how we, as players, can determine when a zone is 'monopolized'.

As I said above, I can only interpret the rules as saying 'start petitioning anytime there aren't mobs to pull near you and you see a bard kiting in a zone'. It just seems like 'when is a zone monopolized' is a difficult question for both player and GM to answer.

If a GM is going to "change" camp rules on the fly but can't be bothered to alter the the threads detailing camp rules what validity do the changes really have? None. Without any sort of update to the existing Camps, Defined thread no one can be expected to read every thread where some GM might have made some sort of ruling that flies in the face of the existing ruleset. To think so is ludicrous, almost as ludicrous as trying to invoke them as a player in a thread like this lol. What some GM said in some random thread means nothing until the charter of camp rules is altered to reflect those changes; until then it's business as usual. Carry on.

On a side note, if monopolizing is against the rules I should be burned at the stake. I've monopolized Sro AC for months, made well over a million plat and never got anything that even resembled disapproval from the staff. Well, except that one time Rogean thought I was duping AC rings during the DDoS days, but that was cleared up, again with no disapproval of what I was actually doing, which was monopolizing.

[Edame]

^ This guy needs to chill.

Ok, I found it. Thanks.

We need our 'Server Rules' post updated if one GM is going to change the server rules and expect everybody to have seen the post he made at some point. Because isn't Sirkin basically saying, 'If you don't see any mobs around and spot a bard with a HUGE train, just petition, as that bard is breaking the rules of monopolizing a zone'.

Am I missing something? It seems like it would be extremely hard to enforce the 'monopolizing zones' rule. This just goes against what is established as the rules and even against what many people here seem to believe the rules are. The fact is, the server rules specifically state that you can't claim outdoor roaming mobs and there is no mention of 'monopolizing zones' which seems difficult to even prove. I personally can't check on all mobs to see if they are ALL up at any given time. It takes time to run to the other side of the zone and see if those mobs are even up. I just don't quite get how we, as players, can determine when a zone is 'monopolized'.

As I said above, I can only interpret the rules as saying 'start petitioning anytime there aren't mobs to pull near you and you see a bard kiting in a zone'. It just seems like 'when is a zone monopolized' is a difficult question for both player and GM to answer.

It would be a messy rule, but I think this whole issue needs to be addressed by the staff with a clear outline on what is and isn't allowed.

The only thing that is annoying to me is when Bards grief entire newbie zones just to power level people for money. Here is an example: A Bard pulled the entire zone of Field of Bone all day to power-level someone. I do question whether this kind of zone disruption should be allowed in a purely newbie zone. Maybe make exceptions where Bard zones like Overthere and South Karana are OK to do it? I don't know, I'm just saying what I think might be fairest to everyone involved, not what the rules currently are or necessarily should be.

[Weekapaug]

I've monopolized Sro AC for months, made well over a million plat

^^confirmed nutsack.

[kenzar]

I dont understand where you get the impression that im some how emotionally invested in this. Let me be clear, i dont have or ever had a bard. Im just an advocate for those whose right to play within the rules is being trounced on. If a gm were to rule against it right now it would effect me none.

Besides, the "no monopolizing" ruling all of you are refrencing is in regards to indoor zones with static spawns. Something the existing ruleset is already clear about. OT is an outdoor zone with dynamic spawns and the existing rules are clear anout that. Its fte, plain and simple

[SCB]

I've monopolized Sro AC for months, made well over a million plat ...

That is like the slowest possible way you could have farmed plat other than just aoe blasting fine steel out of CT or something. Holy shit, you wasted so much time.

That's hilarious. Sad kind of, but hilarious.

[kenzar]

That is like the slowest possible way you could have farmed plat other than just aoe blasting fine steel out of CT or something. Holy shit, you wasted so much time.

That's hilarious. Sad kind of, but hilarious.

a few seconds of work every 30min while I chugged out work/school related things is a waste of time? I'd rather solo a camp for a 10sec/1hr than constantly kill in a duo at freeti/fungi.

Honestly, netting ~40k a day for the actual time invested of minutes is pretty lucrative.

[susvain0362]

EDIT: For those saying go elsewhere, as addressed to another poster later in this thread. It's easier to exp in places like OT for players because simply getting into solA or solB for example is slim to none for a good exp group. This is because of several reasons but the main reason is places like this have limited camp spots and most are loot spots so they tend to be camped by the same people over and over. Also just finding a capable pug group with the right classes is harder. Have you tried grouping in a dungeon without a snarer, it is harder for everyone. Other factors include waiting for hours to get a open spot in the lesser camp spots in these dungeons, which for most players isn't fun so why wait when you can get genuinely good exp for low risk in places like OT? Again, EQ is not LINEAR so suggesting you need to do this place and this place in order is not what EQ is about. I play for fun, and so do others.

Overthere - Bards mass kite tons of mobs we get it, fine good for you bards. Except one problem here. OT is a great level zone for everyone else as well with the high exp here. But as I said in my title I have no problem with bards and their kiting mass amounts until tonight in OT. Non-bard players have a few spots where we exp at and they are the
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Lolwhat? I went from 20-48 leveling everyday as a rogue and a paladin in DUNGEON groups only. Its this really hard concept called START YOUR OWN GROUP. I did uguk, MM, Highkeep, Unrest, (some FM giant) CoM and SolB. Everyday im in a great spot in a dungeon. Its the only way to level. Id quit the game if i was joining groups in outdoor zones like in OT.

Its very difficult. Here are the hard steps.

1. Zone into solb and ask camp check
2. Notice either royals or bugs or window is open. ALWAYS one or two of those camps open.
3. /who (x-class) 44 48
4. /tell (x-player) wanna join a solb royals group?
5. Repeat with the classes you want.
6. Usually you can have a full group or atleast 4 people to start clearing with in 5 to 6mins.

Very hard for bad players like the OP. People hangin around in EC are always down to join groups especially in good spots in dungeons. Most people wont do this, theyd rather spend 3hours on a stupid thread like this. If its not unrest house, uguk scryer or warden, mistmoore pond/gy/castle, or highkeep goblins or COM or solb, i wouldnt bother exping.


TLDR OP is very bad. I would say lazy but he made this post when he could of had a full group at mistmoore castle already.

[susvain0362]

This server is so stupid easy to find a dungeon group. There are ALWAYS open camps. ALWAYS. How long does it take to do a /who warrior in your level range, then cleric, then ench, then fill out the rest of your group.mmost players are just waiting for that tell to join a group.

I would never of made it to level 30 only doing shitty exp zones like OT. Dungeons are way funner, not even talking about the exp.

[susvain0362]

Does anyone else wanna punch OP in the head?

[Langrisserx]

get your fbss back yet

[SCB]

a few seconds of work every 30min while I chugged out work/school related things is a waste of time? I'd rather solo a camp for a 10sec/1hr than constantly kill in a duo at freeti/fungi.

Honestly, netting ~40k a day for the actual time invested of minutes is pretty lucrative.

Because fungi camp was constant killing and not 2 mobs every hour.

[runlvlzero]

If you guys are traiding 40kplat for pixels in s ro... you guys need to seriously rethink your lives. gl getting a ring every 8~ hrs and gl not getting fucked over on that camp by a million and a half noobs trolls on an 500+ pop server

I don't believe it bunch of blatent made up bullshit.

P.S. To the person who made the big map of all the zones 16-60 spewing, you missed SK, FV, and LOIO

[kenzar]

Because fungi camp was constant killing and not 2 mobs every hour.

Maybe before the invis nerf, but now it's a lot more than 2 mobs/hr and not a very easy duo. I'd rather take my few seconds/hr and not have to roll against anyone WHILE i make my RL money at work than have to worry about if my duo partner is online, finding a rep if he isnt, possible wiping, etc. Sro AC is hands down best plat/hr solo camp in the long run.

If you guys are traiding 40kplat for pixels in s ro... you guys need to seriously rethink your lives. gl getting a ring every 8~ hrs and gl not getting fucked over on that camp by a million and a half noobs trolls on an 500+ pop server

I don't believe it bunch of blatent made up bullshit.

P.S. To the person who made the big map of all the zones 16-60 spewing, you missed SK, FV, and LOIO

7k/ring. And it does not take anywhere near 8hrs/ring at the end of the week. Somedays i might get 2 rings, others I get 10. It all averages out to right under 40k a day by the end of the week, sometimes more, sometimes less it all depends on how many days/week I'm able to snag the camp.

[Tiggles]

a few seconds of work every 30min while I chugged out work/school related things is a waste of time? I'd rather solo a camp for a 10sec/1hr than constantly kill in a duo at freeti/fungi.

Honestly, netting ~40k a day for the actual time invested of minutes is pretty lucrative.

As someone with no need of money help me understand.

You self admittedly sold your account for RMT back when IB cashed out the first time, and since account sales are now banned what does a person do with one million plat?

[kenzar]

You self admittedly sold your account for RMT back when IB cashed out the first time, and since account sales are now banned what does a person do with one million plat?

I did? going to have to refresh my memory on RMTing my account. I sold my account to someone who most likely got their plat from platlord, sure. But I've never sold anything in-game for anything besides platinum/items.

As for where my plat goes.
BCG isnt cheap - 300k
AoN isnt cheap - 500k
Eyepatch isnt cheap - 90k
Manastone isnt cheap - 190k
leveling/gearing new naggy/vox alts isnt cheap - 350k-400k

Leaves me a nice chunk in the bank to play with and get my base in order for velious(plat for any gear MQs I want.) Sucks I did sell all my raid loot when I did though. the prices I sold bcg/eyepatch/manastone/aon were dirt cheap compared to what they cost now, basically 2x :/

[susvain0362]

That was mean of me to say about punching the OP. Very dumb of me, i take it backk.



Ps: wtb tiggles stream

[Buma]

a few seconds of work every 30min while I chugged out work/school related things is a waste of time? I'd rather solo a camp for a 10sec/1hr than constantly kill in a duo at freeti/fungi.

Honestly, netting ~40k a day for the actual time invested of minutes is pretty lucrative.

I call BS making 40k a day at AC.

Lolwhat? I went from 20-48 leveling everyday as a rogue and a paladin in DUNGEON groups only. Its this really hard concept called START YOUR OWN GROUP. I did uguk, MM, Highkeep, Unrest, (some FM giant) CoM and SolB. Everyday im in a great spot in a dungeon. Its the only way to level. Id quit the game if i was joining groups in outdoor zones like in OT.

Its very difficult. Here are the hard steps.

1. Zone into solb and ask camp check
2. Notice either royals or bugs or window is open. ALWAYS one or two of those camps open.
3. /who (x-class) 44 48
4. /tell (x-player) wanna join a solb royals group?
5. Repeat with the classes you want.
6. Usually you can have a full group or atleast 4 people to start clearing with in 5 to 6mins.

Very hard for bad players like the OP. People hangin around in EC are always down to join groups especially in good spots in dungeons. Most people wont do this, theyd rather spend 3hours on a stupid thread like this. If its not unrest house, uguk scryer or warden, mistmoore pond/gy/castle, or highkeep goblins or COM or solb, i wouldnt bother exping.


TLDR OP is very bad. I would say lazy but he made this post when he could of had a full group at mistmoore castle already.

You must be one of many hater bard accounts on this thread trying to hate on my thread. First of all good try explaining how to play a 14 year old fucking game to a Veteran player who probably knows more than you will ever know about the game, and second if you had any reading comprehension you would of not wrote what you did because this thread wasn't a QQ thread about bards but a thread about the shear amount of disrespectful bards their are out there against other players. I had said after all the BS and seeing other players in shouts about the bards that night I decided to make this thread to get an idea from other bards about the process. Where am I attacking bards? I said I had no issue with them kiting mass amounts, the issue was the blatent disrespect and not caring of other players. LEARN TO READ!


This server is so stupid easy to find a dungeon group. There are ALWAYS open camps. ALWAYS. How long does it take to do a /who warrior in your level range, then cleric, then ench, then fill out the rest of your group.mmost players are just waiting for that tell to join a group.

I would never of made it to level 30 only doing shitty exp zones like OT. Dungeons are way funner, not even talking about the exp.

I am well capable of forming a group and faster than most classes. I am nearing 50 and have done all my leveling in dungeons mostly before and have done MM and the other shit. I also was quit pleased to run into OT exp as it was not as bad as everyone else has said and had a low death rate if I had to solo some days because of time, plus a bank is handy being close for quick sales. So preach to the quire little guy, it doesn't make you look anymore like an ass in this thread as you have reached maximum skill level at being an ass, 250 of 250 ass skill.



Does anyone else wanna punch OP in the head?

Again how is that skill in ass treating you? You know the quiet guy you never mess with? Picture me as that guy, wonder why nobody ever messes with the quiet guy and they never lash out and talk all kinds of smack? We know we can back up anything we say, we don't need to hide behind a computer screen.


Maybe before the invis nerf, but now it's a lot more than 2 mobs/hr and not a very easy duo. I'd rather take my few seconds/hr and not have to roll against anyone WHILE i make my RL money at work than have to worry about if my duo partner is online, finding a rep if he isnt, possible wiping, etc. Sro AC is hands down best plat/hr solo camp in the long run.



7k/ring. And it does not take anywhere near 8hrs/ring at the end of the week. Somedays i might get 2 rings, others I get 10. It all averages out to right under 40k a day by the end of the week, sometimes more, sometimes less it all depends on how many days/week I'm able to snag the camp.


I call BS 40k a day. Let us see, show some proof. How can you get 10 rings a day in a 24 hr period? You yourself said you didn't camp it that often, if you got 10 rings it means AC pops often enough anyone could see it or get it. Average camp time is 8hrs for someone getting it from what I heard on P99, which equates to 2 max rings day you can earn because you factor in sleep you don't have full 24hrs, even if you did that be minimum 3 rings. Lets say you did get 3 rings a day, 3*7 is 21 rings and only 147k plat a week not even 40k a day like you claim but 21k a day max if you were a robot.

[kenzar]

I call BS 40k a day. Let us see, show some proof. How can you get 10 rings a day in a 24 hr period? You yourself said you didn't camp it that often, if you got 10 rings it means AC pops often enough anyone could see it or get it. Average camp time is 8hrs for someone getting it from what I heard on P99, which equates to 2 max rings day you can earn because you factor in sleep you don't have full 24hrs, even if you did that be minimum 3 rings. Lets say you did get 3 rings a day, 3*7 is 21 rings and only 147k plat a week not even 40k a day like you claim but 21k a day max if you were a robot.

First off, when did I say I didnt camp it that often? I said I monopolized it. Read harder.

Do I really need to explain how a rng works? (besides your statistics are all made up lol. AC has 10% chance per spawn, at 2 spawns per hour gives 20%/hr) Anyone who has seen my corpse pile or anyone who has tried to camp AC to find me sitting there for hours and hours a day, every day can back me up. There is a reason I'm the leader of the JIT and why I was able to inflate the price of jboots solo in such a short amount of time. A lack of supply (IE me hording rings over the course of a week and dumping them only on the weekend) drives the price up. I'm not sure what you want as "proof", a screenshot of my bank?

http://i.imgur.com/bz21XNp.jpg

Did you really think people perma-camped AC for MQing when it wasn't good plat?

[Wudan]

Does anyone else wanna punch OP in the head?

I do! Lazy bad player complaining about stuff....just leave the server and go play Pokemon Bruma...just baaad :eek:

[Trouble]

preach to the quire

All it took to lose any credibility.

[kaev]

Wow, some really terrible posters in this thread. Not easy to make the OP's ordinariness look like amazing genius, but you've done it. gratz

[applesauce25r624]

confirmed wiener kid

[runlvlzero]

yeah even hardcore camping AC 2 is like a good day. But whateves lol...

[susvain0362]

To OP,

I have never played a bard past ten, dont even have one on the account.

What the hell are you talking about? In your first post you CLEARLY were upset and said that getting a group in a dungeon or solb was "very slim". I told you that is not true and all you have to do is make your own group. I even explained that process because i wasnt sure if you knew the best way.

Also where did i ever mention bards or you attacking bards? Lol why do you keep blatantly making things up? So weird. You quote my what i wrote and respond with somehing completely unrelated. I am very boggled lol.

You said you are basically forced into OT because dungeons groups are near impossible to join. You didnt say it was a time issue. So..again...with the craziness lmao. I also LOVED the quiet guy in the room analogy!!!! Lmao at this OP.

[Langrisserx]

the two chances an hour of AC spawning, at 10% a chance, if successful, would be the product and not the sum of the two chance probabilities? would it not? ie .1 * .1 not .1+ .1

also, quire = choir.. you preach to the choir.

OP seems like a better person than most on this thread self included.

shame on bards for being so bitchy wow you can run fast suck me aufff!!!

[kenzar]

the two chances an hour of AC spawning, at 10% a chance, if successful, would be the product and not the sum of the two chance probabilities? would it not? ie .1 * .1 not .1+ .1

also, quire = choir.. you preach to the choir.

OP seems like a better person than most on this thread self included.

shame on bards for being so bitchy wow you can run fast suck me aufff!!!

Yeah, you're probably right, it is sampling with replacement. I never paid attention in statistics. Still .01 seems low to me; i've seen 3 AC's spawn consecutively several times, and 2 back to back more times than I can count. No rng 0-99 should be that generous, right? My .1 chance was taken from the live code, which is obviously not implemented here because of the night/day cycle being ignored. Maybe its higher?

[Langrisserx]

maybe you're just lucky! or yea it must be higher

[thieros]

Lolwhat? I went from 20-48 leveling everyday as a rogue and a paladin in DUNGEON groups only. Its this really hard concept called START YOUR OWN GROUP. I did uguk, MM, Highkeep, Unrest, (some FM giant) CoM and SolB. Everyday im in a great spot in a dungeon. Its the only way to level. Id quit the game if i was joining groups in outdoor zones like in OT.

Its very difficult. Here are the hard steps.

1. Zone into solb and ask camp check
2. Notice either royals or bugs or window is open. ALWAYS one or two of those camps open.
3. /who (x-class) 44 48
4. /tell (x-player) wanna join a solb royals group?
5. Repeat with the classes you want.
6. Usually you can have a full group or atleast 4 people to start clearing with in 5 to 6mins.

Very hard for bad players like the OP. People hangin around in EC are always down to join groups especially in good spots in dungeons. Most people wont do this, theyd rather spend 3hours on a stupid thread like this. If its not unrest house, uguk scryer or warden, mistmoore pond/gy/castle, or highkeep goblins or COM or solb, i wouldnt bother exping.


TLDR OP is very bad. I would say lazy but he made this post when he could of had a full group at mistmoore castle already.

thats how the non lazy do it. i leveled my SK in this fashion in solb for fantastic exp. just takes a little tell work but when you arent the most desirable class due to exp penalty whiners you resort to this then you dont run into shitty situations like OP. moral of the story, if you arent lazy (eq isnt for the lazy mmo player) you shouldnt have any problems gettings groups together. just be the one to make it happen!

[Ravager]

On all of the toons I have played, past and present, I have never had trouble putting together a pickup group for Sol A when I wanted it. Both Sol A and Sol B may well be the easiest dungeons to build a pickup group for, in fact, due to their proximity to EC. Just send tells to everyone in your group range whether they are lfg or not.

Just because there's always someone camping Kindle, doesn't mean there aren't 200 other mobs in the zone you can exp off of that still drop way better loot, die faster and give better exp than anything you'll find in OT.

Furthermore, get your ass in a dungeon before you wipe my groups in Seb because you don't know how to fight in a dungeon. Let the bards have shitty OT.

[Ravager]

a few seconds of work every 30min while I chugged out work/school related things is a waste of time? I'd rather solo a camp for a 10sec/1hr than constantly kill in a duo at freeti/fungi.

Honestly, netting ~40k a day for the actual time invested of minutes is pretty lucrative.

But you're not spending 10sec/1hr selling 5-6 rings a day.

[Skittlez]

Inb4 rnf

[fishingme]

Lolwhat? I went from 20-48 leveling everyday as a rogue and a paladin in DUNGEON groups only. Its this really hard concept called START YOUR OWN GROUP. I did uguk, MM, Highkeep, Unrest, (some FM giant) CoM and SolB. Everyday im in a great spot in a dungeon. Its the only way to level. Id quit the game if i was joining groups in outdoor zones like in OT.

Its very difficult. Here are the hard steps.

1. Zone into solb and ask camp check
2. Notice either royals or bugs or window is open. ALWAYS one or two of those camps open.
3. /who (x-class) 44 48
4. /tell (x-player) wanna join a solb royals group?
5. Repeat with the classes you want.
6. Usually you can have a full group or atleast 4 people to start clearing with in 5 to 6mins.

Very hard for bad players like the OP. People hangin around in EC are always down to join groups especially in good spots in dungeons. Most people wont do this, theyd rather spend 3hours on a stupid thread like this. If its not unrest house, uguk scryer or warden, mistmoore pond/gy/castle, or highkeep goblins or COM or solb, i wouldnt bother exping.


TLDR OP is very bad. I would say lazy but he made this post when he could of had a full group at mistmoore castle already.

I'm impressed, 20-48 in a day, 3 hell levels yikes. I can say that I was one of those bards albeit a year ago that did the 'aoe' kiting in OT, yes, it's not called swarm kiting but aoe kiting.... I can definitely agree that it's monopolizing the zone. There's only about 150-160 mobs that are within con range from 32-48 there and I was pulling them all. However I preferred to do it in the early early AM when nobody was on. I don't think you guys really understand until you're competing against other bards aoe kiting just like you, it's competition at that point between the bards which leave the soloers dead in the water. Minyin, hate to say it but you seem far to invested in this thread and you may want to take a step back and calm down. If a mage/druid/wizard/warrior/sk/necro wants to level in OT let them level in OT with plenty of mobs, shits classic, who gives a fcuk if the xp isn't as great as dungeons, getting a group to go to kaesora is hard as hell and when someone needs to leave an hour after you get there???? Yeah, goodluck getting someone to spend an hour on travel time to get there..... Mistmoore is usually always camped either by a duo at pond that doesn't want to let anyone else into party or it's being held by a group. Over the years I've been playing here I have made it to 60 with every class but one which I'm working on now and I can honestly say that it's a bit different now than with the previous chars. There is a decent amount of new players at low levels along with returning players between the 15-35 range so things are camped more than they were when some of you higher folk leveled up. Play nice, don't be a dick because people like me have no problem ruining your day with a root or a simple logging on a monk char to accidentally have to zone/FD a few mobs.

[jarshale]

OP you have to understand that this game is all about being a dick. Getting better at ruining other peoples nights will make your play experience much more enjoyable.

[susvain0362]

I'm impressed, 20-48 in a day, 3 hell levels yikes. I can say that I was one of those bards albeit a year ago that did the 'aoe' kiting in OT, yes, it's not called swarm kiting but aoe kiting.... I can definitely agree that it's monopolizing the zone. There's only about 150-160 mobs that are within con range from 32-48 there and I was pulling them all. However I preferred to do it in the early early AM when nobody was on. I don't think you guys really understand until you're competing against other bards aoe kiting just like you, it's competition at that point between the bards which leave the soloers dead in the water. Minyin, hate to say it but you seem far to invested in this thread and you may want to take a step back and calm down. If a mage/druid/wizard/warrior/sk/necro wants to level in OT let them level in OT with plenty of mobs, shits classic, who gives a fcuk if the xp isn't as great as dungeons, getting a group to go to kaesora is hard as hell and when someone needs to leave an hour after you get there???? Yeah, goodluck getting someone to spend an hour on travel time to get there..... Mistmoore is usually always camped either by a duo at pond that doesn't want to let anyone else into party or it's being held by a group. Over the years I've been playing here I have made it to 60 with every class but one which I'm working on now and I can honestly say that it's a bit different now than with the previous chars. There is a decent amount of new players at low levels along with returning players between the 15-35 range so things are camped more than they were when some of you higher folk leveled up. Play nice, don't be a dick because people like me have no problem ruining your day with a root or a simple logging on a monk char to accidentally have to zone/FD a few mobs.


Woh woh. This wasnt in one day. Im saying all that leveling was spread out, but i did dungeons in everyday. It was a rogue grouping

[Buma]

the two chances an hour of AC spawning, at 10% a chance, if successful, would be the product and not the sum of the two chance probabilities? would it not? ie .1 * .1 not .1+ .1

also, quire = choir.. you preach to the choir.

OP seems like a better person than most on this thread self included.

shame on bards for being so bitchy wow you can run fast suck me aufff!!!

Tablet typing ftw, some words get auto changed as you type with the app I got. I know it's choir. :D

[Buma]

First off, when did I say I didnt camp it that often? I said I monopolized it. Read harder.

Do I really need to explain how a rng works? (besides your statistics are all made up lol. AC has 10% chance per spawn, at 2 spawns per hour gives 20%/hr) Anyone who has seen my corpse pile or anyone who has tried to camp AC to find me sitting there for hours and hours a day, every day can back me up. There is a reason I'm the leader of the JIT and why I was able to inflate the price of jboots solo in such a short amount of time. A lack of supply (IE me hording rings over the course of a week and dumping them only on the weekend) drives the price up. I'm not sure what you want as "proof", a screenshot of my bank?

http://i.imgur.com/bz21XNp.jpg

Did you really think people perma-camped AC for MQing when it wasn't good plat?


I wonder how the GM's on this server think about EXPLOITING the code to get an unfair advantage over other players. As a guide years ago on Live I can tell you with 100% confidence that the higher ups would be cussing a storm and you would of been banned. We had senior GM's who regularly were pissed off at people like you that exploited, yes you got banned but the guides also got to hear their rants.

You already admitted to exploiting the code here. Can we get a GM to confirm if this exploit is bannable? The exploit is camping AC gaining a ring then dying so you can corpse the ring and keep getting more and more rings on multiple corpses. The code doesn't allow you to gain more than one LORE item at a time, thereby you exploit the code by bypassing this with corpse holding many rings. A GM definitely needs to look at this and the Devs. Because it's not something other players would intentionally do to get a fair edge over everyone else to inflate MQ for j-boots and MQ for plat.

[indiscriminate_hater]

better ban everyone that's made a key corpse in sky then, or has farmed any other item in the game multiple times without leaving


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[Buma]

better ban everyone that's made a key corpse in sky then, or has farmed any other item in the game multiple times without leaving


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Then they should take issue to this because it's an exploit period. Don't care if others do it. When a whole server exploits something to gain advantages where the code doesn't normally allow it then you are breaking a rule, end of story. So either fix the code so all corpses tie to you where you can't get more lore items than one. On live I believe this was fixed years ago probably after POP, not sure as I have not ran into this issue in years and on P99 it just came to light with the poster above.

[indiscriminate_hater]

Then they should take issue to this because it's an exploit period. Don't care if others do it. When a whole server exploits something to gain advantages where the code doesn't normally allow it then you are breaking a rule, end of story. So either fix the code so all corpses tie to you where you can't get more lore items than one. On live I believe this was fixed years ago probably after POP, not sure as I have not ran into this issue in years and on P99 it just came to light with the poster above.[/QUOTE]

bold # 1: i guess you never learned along the way that this is a free-to-play server run by volunteers. who exactly are you to be telling the GMs and developers what they should be doing? this isn't Buma's Classic Server, this is Project 1999. i guess you still haven't figured out what me and others have been trying to tell you -- you're not entitled to anything in this game.

bold # 2: the code does normally allow it. in fact, it's been allowing it since the server's conception. this isn't classic EQ, remember? it's only an emulated version of it. if this were an exploit that needed to be fixed, they would have fixed it by now.

bold #3: i guess i'll be the one to let you know: the server isn't past the PoP expansion. in fact, we're only in Kunark right now.

bold #4: this just came to light for you. i'm fairly certain this has been known to others players for several years now.

[fishingme]

Woh woh. This wasnt in one day. Im saying all that leveling was spread out, but i did dungeons in everyday. It was a rogue grouping

Ohh, okay, sorry not sure how I saw "everyday" as day lol.

[Buma]

bold # 1: i guess you never learned along the way that this is a free-to-play server run by volunteers. who exactly are you to be telling the GMs and developers what they should be doing? this isn't Buma's Classic Server, this is Project 1999. i guess you still haven't figured out what me and others have been trying to tell you -- you're not entitled to anything in this game.

bold # 2: the code does normally allow it. in fact, it's been allowing it since the server's conception. this isn't classic EQ, remember? it's only an emulated version of it. if this were an exploit that needed to be fixed, they would have fixed it by now.

bold #3: i guess i'll be the one to let you know: the server isn't past the PoP expansion. in fact, we're only in Kunark right now.

bold #4: this just came to light for you. i'm fairly certain this has been known to others players for several years now.[/QUOTE]

1. Yes FTP doesn't mean they allow exploits. I am not telling GM or Devs to do anything, as a player we are all entitles to bring up exploits and bugs to the staff so that they can fix them and make the game more enjoyable to those who wish to progress legitimately on content and not have an exploitative edge to pass through quicker.

2. Just because you have code that allows it doesn't mean it's legal to exploit the code to an unfair advantage. As I said this is P99 yes but any exploit they will fix regardless if it impacts the server. In this case as an example players who corpse key AC ring is a major flaw.

3. This is why we got smart people running the server and not you. Because by your logic it's okay to have exploits on P99 and not fix them because Live didn't fix them till after Kunark era. If exploits were found they were fixed on Live, it's not part of normal content that they would allow them just because they got fixed at a later date. If it interferes with the game the P99 staff will fix any major exploit no matter if it was a later date past Kunark or not, at least I would hope so. For example if a exploit was found where it gave every player 5000 plat a day free and it wasn't found out and fixed till after Velious on Live and the Devs left it in P99 then it would harm the economy and server for good, so why would they let that go? They would fix it because exploits do not need to be date permitted for fixes, at least I hope they wouldn't because integrity is worth more than following a guide line they made up.

4. Yes it just came to my attention today, doesn't mean it's any less substantial. If a murderer has been on the loose for 30 years and the cops finally found out he has been killing for 30 years, does that make the murderer any less substantial? No of course not.

[indiscriminate_hater]

buma -- you have used the word "exploit" in some form 17 times in your past 2 posts. is there any post or rule by a GM or dev, ANYWHERE, which describes having lore items on multiple corpses as an exploit on this server? or is this just another case of Buma's Entitlement, where whatever the fuck doesn't helm him should be fixed?

and to fix your terrible analogy: the killer has been on the loose for the past 30 years but the cops know exactly where he is living, in plain sight, yet have decided not to bring him in. this is because 30 years ago the cops decided the killer was not actually breaking the law. classic era EQ was georgia, project 1999 is new york -- different jurisdictions, different laws.

[Buma]

buma -- you have used the word "exploit" in some form 17 times in your past 2 posts. is there any post or rule by a GM or dev, ANYWHERE, which describes having lore items on multiple corpses as an exploit on this server? or is this just another case of Buma's Entitlement, where whatever the fuck doesn't helm him should be fixed?

and to fix your terrible analogy: the killer has been on the loose for the past 30 years but the cops know exactly where he is living, in plain sight, yet have decided not to bring him in. this is because 30 years ago the cops decided the killer was not actually breaking the law. classic era EQ was georgia, project 1999 is new york -- different jurisdictions, different laws.

I see you using the word entitlement often. Using that word because it's on the social forefronts of the internet isn't making you look any smarter. You took a word that you thought had strong meaning when it only applies to conceptual politics. I hate to stress to you the vagueness of your posts but I think I am done here.

[indiscriminate_hater]

good deflection.

but hey, at least we can agree on something: i think you're done here, too!

[Dirkus]

Keep going.

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[fadetree]

That was not a good deflection.

[ncapatina]

bold # 1: i guess you never learned along the way that this is a free-to-play server run by volunteers. who exactly are you to be telling the GMs and developers what they should be doing? this isn't Buma's Classic Server, this is Project 1999. i guess you still haven't figured out what me and others have been trying to tell you -- you're not entitled to anything in this game.

bold # 2: the code does normally allow it. in fact, it's been allowing it since the server's conception. this isn't classic EQ, remember? it's only an emulated version of it. if this were an exploit that needed to be fixed, they would have fixed it by now.

bold #3: i guess i'll be the one to let you know: the server isn't past the PoP expansion. in fact, we're only in Kunark right now.

bold #4: this just came to light for you. i'm fairly certain this has been known to others players for several years now.

1. Yes FTP doesn't mean they allow exploits. I am not telling GM or Devs to do anything, as a player we are all entitles to bring up exploits and bugs to the staff so that they can fix them and make the game more enjoyable to those who wish to progress legitimately on content and not have an exploitative edge to pass through quicker.

2. Just because you have code that allows it doesn't mean it's legal to exploit the code to an unfair advantage. As I said this is P99 yes but any exploit they will fix regardless if it impacts the server. In this case as an example players who corpse key AC ring is a major flaw.

3. This is why we got smart people running the server and not you. Because by your logic it's okay to have exploits on P99 and not fix them because Live didn't fix them till after Kunark era. If exploits were found they were fixed on Live, it's not part of normal content that they would allow them just because they got fixed at a later date. If it interferes with the game the P99 staff will fix any major exploit no matter if it was a later date past Kunark or not, at least I would hope so. For example if a exploit was found where it gave every player 5000 plat a day free and it wasn't found out and fixed till after Velious on Live and the Devs left it in P99 then it would harm the economy and server for good, so why would they let that go? They would fix it because exploits do not need to be date permitted for fixes, at least I hope they wouldn't because integrity is worth more than following a guide line they made up.

4. Yes it just came to my attention today, doesn't mean it's any less substantial. If a murderer has been on the loose for 30 years and the cops finally found out he has been killing for 30 years, does that make the murderer any less substantial? No of course not.

Use the quote function for fucks sake, trying to follow your post is like doing a choose your own adventure book.

Side note, choose your own adventure books were awesome.

[Spitty]

Choose your own adventure books were awesome. I'd go back and A+++ read-that-again all day.

This thread, however, descended into utter bullshit. Buma, you can't fucking call someone to task for using the word "entitlement" when you are clearly feeling entitled to other people's time and money:

as a player we are all entitles to bring up exploits and bugs to the staff so that they can fix them

You don't deserve jack-goddamn-shit, especially not with your attitude. You can submit bugs, or what you think are bugs, and the people who do have to spend their own time and money to fix them will take your submissions under review.

If it turns out that the bug isn't worth fixing, or the bug is actually in your perception of how you think things should be, then maybe it's time to wise up and accept the possibility that you're wrong.

That's what level-headed adults do. Kids rip the cereal box up and make a tragic mess because there's no toy at the bottom, without reading the fucking box to see if a toy was ever there in the first place. That's you. You're the kid. Grow the fuck up.

[kenzar]

I wonder how the GM's on this server think about EXPLOITING the code to get an unfair advantage over other players. As a guide years ago on Live I can tell you with 100% confidence that the higher ups would be cussing a storm and you would of been banned. We had senior GM's who regularly were pissed off at people like you that exploited, yes you got banned but the guides also got to hear their rants.

You already admitted to exploiting the code here. Can we get a GM to confirm if this exploit is bannable? The exploit is camping AC gaining a ring then dying so you can corpse the ring and keep getting more and more rings on multiple corpses. The code doesn't allow you to gain more than one LORE item at a time, thereby you exploit the code by bypassing this with corpse holding many rings. A GM definitely needs to look at this and the Devs. Because it's not something other players would intentionally do to get a fair edge over everyone else to inflate MQ for j-boots and MQ for plat.

Wow, you dont read very well. I already stated that my methods have been scrutinized by Rogen when he thought i was duping AC rings when he noticed i was MQing something like 15 rings a day for a couple days. He found everything to be legit. Recently I explained my entire method to Derubael and all he had to say was how clever it was of me( i can post the log of our convvo when i get home iff youd like. )

The entitlement is strong with Buma. Why are u so mad i have more plat than you anyway?

[kylok]

Buma are you suggesting that people don't corpse their sky rings? Cause that's just silly.

[kenzar]

I wonder how the GM's on this server think about EXPLOITING the code to get an unfair advantage over other players. As a guide years ago on Live I can tell you with 100% confidence that the higher ups would be cussing a storm and you would of been banned. We had senior GM's who regularly were pissed off at people like you that exploited, yes you got banned but the guides also got to hear their rants.

You already admitted to exploiting the code here. Can we get a GM to confirm if this exploit is bannable? The exploit is camping AC gaining a ring then dying so you can corpse the ring and keep getting more and more rings on multiple corpses. The code doesn't allow you to gain more than one LORE item at a time, thereby you exploit the code by bypassing this with corpse holding many rings. A GM definitely needs to look at this and the Devs. Because it's not something other players would intentionally do to get a fair edge over everyone else to inflate MQ for j-boots and MQ for plat.

Here you go Buma, the answer to your "I wonder how the GM's on this server think about EXPLOITING the code to get an unfair advantage over other players." question.



[Sat Sep 14 00:42:09 2013] Derubael tells you, 'Just a quick question'
[Sat Sep 14 00:42:17 2013] You told Derubael, 'Whats up?'
[Sat Sep 14 00:42:20 2013] Derubael tells you, 'To satisfy my curiousity'
[Sat Sep 14 00:43:12 2013] Derubael tells you, 'Just wanted to know how the whole jboots mq business works. How do you get customers, how do you complete the MQ, that kinda thing'
[Sat Sep 14 00:44:06 2013] Derubael tells you, 'I'll brb, but just give me a run down of how it works, from the start where you first advertise the mq, to getting onto another char to complete the mq.'
[Sat Sep 14 00:44:22 2013] You told Derubael, 'ok'
[Sat Sep 14 00:44:45 2013] Derubael tells you, 'And your serets are safe with me, I won't be telling anyone how you make it all work'
[Sat Sep 14 00:44:50 2013] You told Derubael, 'I first make sure Hasten is up, and no pesky monks around aroudn that are looking for bro Z'
[Sat Sep 14 00:45:16 2013] You told Derubael, 'Then after that is secured, I head to EC and auction "WTS JBoot MQ, My ring/rapier and your 3250g. 7k"'
[Sat Sep 14 00:45:28 2013] You told Derubael, 'And then its basically a waiting game until I find a customer'
[Sat Sep 14 00:45:57 2013] You told Derubael, 'After I find a buyer, we meet at the bank or tunnel depending on where his plat is and I take payment and convert plat->gold if need be'
[Sat Sep 14 00:46:09 2013] You told Derubael, 'Then I pay a druid/wiz to port us over and we run to Rathe'
[Sat Sep 14 00:46:37 2013] You told Derubael, 'I tell the person, dont do anything until I give the "OK TO TRADE" tell. then I give hasten a rapier and a ring and give the ok to the buyer'
[Sat Sep 14 00:46:45 2013] You told Derubael, 'who then gives Hasten 3250g and receives his jboots'
[Sat Sep 14 00:47:35 2013] You told Derubael, 'No real secrets. The only thing that is a little tricky is figuring out that a corpses item doesnt count towards the "lore" total'
[Sat Sep 14 00:48:02 2013] You told Derubael, 'So after I get a ring, Ill just message random people in the zone to kill me in a duel for like 50p or something'
[Sat Sep 14 00:48:05 2013] You told Derubael, 'usually a newbie'
[Sat Sep 14 00:48:14 2013] You told Derubael, 'and I cannibalize down low, and let him last hit me'
[Sat Sep 14 00:48:30 2013] You told Derubael, 'loot everything but the ring off my corpse and I'm good for another '
[Sat Sep 14 00:48:46 2013] You told Derubael, 'That's pretty much the whole process'
[Sat Sep 14 00:58:04 2013] Derubael tells you, 'How do you get the rapier?'
[Sat Sep 14 00:58:25 2013] You told Derubael, 'I usually get those during downtimes when someone else was already on camp when I logged in'
[Sat Sep 14 00:58:47 2013] You told Derubael, 'Ill run over to feerrott, and kill shadowed men until I get a rapier then gate back to sro and loot one of my corpses with a ring'
[Sat Sep 14 00:59:00 2013] You told Derubael, 'Then I have the person on camp duel me and leave ring/rapier on corpse'
[Sat Sep 14 00:59:07 2013] You told Derubael, 'rinse and repeat'
[Sat Sep 14 01:00:19 2013] You told Derubael, 'corpses also avoid the 'no-rent' tag'
[Sat Sep 14 01:02:41 2013] Derubael tells you, 'Ok, thanks for satisfying my curiousity. That's very clever of you :)'
[Sat Sep 14 01:02:51 2013] You told Derubael, ':) thanks'
[Sat Sep 14 01:02:57 2013] You told Derubael, 'No problem at all '


There you have it. I put the relevant messages in bold. I know how reading sometimes confuses and angers you. Anything else you feel entitled to Buma?

[Buma]

Here you go Buma, the answer to your "I wonder how the GM's on this server think about EXPLOITING the code to get an unfair advantage over other players." question.



There you have it. I put the relevant messages in bold. I know how reading sometimes confuses and angers you. Anything else you feel entitled to Buma?

Oh please save me the BS, stop using entitled word as if I demanded stuff. You idiots keep making shit up, did I ever demand something be given to me or changed? So no. That GM or server Dev? Doesn't matter anyway as whoever it was left that go which I would have never left it go. Now I know your secrets, going try this myself on mage so if you see me taking your business I will share the camp for 50k a day, otherwise I will be there most the day.

[kenzar]

Oh please save me the BS,stop using entitled word as if I demanded stuff. You idiots keep making shit up, did I ever demand something be given to me or changed? So no. That GM or server Dev? Doesn't matter anyway as whoever it was left that go which I would have never left it go. Now I know your secrets, going try this myself on mage so if you see me taking your business I will share the camp for 50k a day, otherwise I will be there most the day.

Here are just 3 of your entitled statements that I could be bothered to find in 60sec.

Bards do not need to be pulling anything in these areas deemed for normal players.


The disrespect they give fellow players who are trying to level near the areas that bards shouldn't be pulling from is my motivation for this thread.


...General camp spots in outdoors have designated pull areas, if you got a named that pops on a hill you got all mobs between you and that hill for your group. It so happens to be true, just a picky bard like yourself seems to think they don't exist.

Also, I just got this. lol
Op confirmed Perun alt

Young mapmaker for sure, but he is no Perun.

So in conclusion: Fight me IRL Buma.

[Splorf22]

I think everyone on this forum should be forced to name their ingame accounts

[kenzar]

I think everyone on this forum should be forced to name their ingame accounts

Lol, if only. Dont worry, Buma can't be that hard to identify in-game (if he just doesnt want to name his character now that is.) Just AoE kite on your bard and look for the entitled rager who pops his head up into /shout.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

I see you using the word entitlement often. Using that word because it's on the social forefronts of the internet isn't making you look any smarter. You took a word that you thought had strong meaning when it only applies to conceptual politics. I hate to stress to you the vagueness of your posts but I think I am done here.

I bet you tried real hard to write this, and so I don't want to be too critical, but seriously, you don't have the chops to play Mr. Articulate Poster. It's always embarrassing when individuals with poor to mediocre vocabulary and writing skills, try to act all egghead-y. It's like a fat chick in yoga pants: it don't work.

WTF is "conceptual politics"?

[SCB]

My god it was easy to change the direction of this thread.

Remember back when it was about bards? lol

[kenzar]

It was never about bards as much as it was about Buma's sense of entitlement to his zones, his way. It just took this long before anyone else noticed. Honestly I've never read a more entitled point of view about how EQ "should"(lol) be played in all my days. How entitled can you get? LOL then he comes back in here trying to say he isnt entitled, but he does it with such a smug entitled manner that he comes off twice as entitled as he did before. entitled.entitled.entitled.entitled.entitled.entit led.entitled.entitled.entitled.entitled.entitled.e ntitled.entitled.entitled.entitled.entitled.entitl ed.entitled.entitled.entitled.entitled.

[t0lkien]

you can easily ruin a bard's day by rooting 2-3 mobs towards the end of their kite without them knowing about it. 3-4 rooted mobs is pretty much assured a death for them. After you root said mobs, just zone out to clear aggro. Rooting isn't Ksing.

Not to derail the thread, but rooting mobs doesn't even touch an AoE kiting Bard. All that will happen is he/she finishes up the main group and then comes back and DoT's the rooted mobs down with impunity. If they break and come back at him/her, they join the existing swarm, or it's back to kiting. Mind you, I do kite in 3rd person mode so I will see any returning mobs well before they get to me and can just funnel them into my existing swarm (as happened several times when other Bard kites returned when the Bard died). You could get lucky and have one of the returning mobs manage to land a hit and stun the Bard. That wouldn't be usual though. Bards are used to picking up unplanned adds and adjusting constantly. Decent Bards rarely stop running at full speed. There is nothing in the game outside of lag that can touch them.

SoW is equally useless - the Bard simply snares the SoWed mob, and gets back to business. I kite at full speed (twisting Selos with a drum instead of relying on JBoots only) to cover these exact instances. The only thing that will undo a Bard is casting mobs.

Fear bombing however...

[fishingme]

Not to derail the thread, but rooting mobs doesn't even touch an AoE kiting Bard. All that will happen is he/she finishes up the main group and then comes back and DoT's the rooted mobs down with impunity. If they break and come back at him/her, they join the existing swarm, or it's back to kiting. Mind you, I do kite in 3rd person mode so I will see any returning mobs well before they get to me and can just funnel them into my existing swarm (as happened several times when other Bard kites returned when the Bard died). You could get lucky and have one of the returning mobs manage to land a hit and stun the Bard. That wouldn't be usual though. Bards are used to picking up unplanned adds and adjusting constantly. Decent Bards rarely stop running at full speed. There is nothing in the game outside of lag that can touch them.

SoW is equally useless - the Bard simply snares the SoWed mob, and gets back to business. I kite at full speed (twisting Selos with a drum instead of relying on JBoots only) to cover these exact instances. The only thing that will undo a Bard is casting mobs.

Fear bombing however...

Unsure, but I think I said to root multiple mobs. The root wouldnt be a high level root so it wouldnt be lasting very long and it would be as the bard is within 15-20seconds back to his kiting spot. More than a few bards on the server drop their clip plane, I found it impossible not to with a large kite behind me. You can drop a few unexpected AoE's or even buff the bard right as he is coming in for the dot pass. Believe, when your unexpecting it, it kicks you. Bonds of force wouldnt be bad to use either. I'm not sure in your experience how many mobs you were kiting but I can assure ya that I kited with each kite no less than 150+mobs in OT while there really isnt really much more than 150 unless you're pulling the sarnak casters.

[Trouble]

It was never about bards as much as it was about Buma's sense of entitlement to his zones, his way. It just took this long before anyone else noticed. Honestly I've never read a more entitled point of view about how EQ "should"(lol) be played in all my days. How entitled can you get? LOL then he comes back in here trying to say he isnt entitled, but he does it with such a smug entitled manner that he comes off twice as entitled as he did before. entitled.entitled.entitled.entitled.entitled.entit led.entitled.entitled.entitled.entitled.entitled.e ntitled.entitled.entitled.entitled.entitled.entitl ed.entitled.entitled.entitled.entitled.

I rather liked the part where he circled all the areas where mobs spawn that give exp from 30-51. Those were good times. Good thing he decided to let bards have level 18 mobs and barren areas.

[Wudan]

Op confirmed moran. So anoying....gtfo

[Unidus]

Simple solution would be just to ban any Bard who is seen doing it. Play the game like it was meant to be played, in a group.

[ncapatina]

Simple solution would be just to ban any Bard who is seen doing it. Play the game like it was meant to be played, in a group.

Just change all bards to clerics, everyone likes clerics right?

You know I was playing Chivalry last night and it occurred to me how hilarious it would be to implement something they have there. If you're trying to chase someone down and murder them if their back is to you then you slowly gain speed. What is those pussy sarnaks did that? Watching an AOEing bard slowing consumed by a mass of 180 mobs would be fun to watch.

Side note, Chivalry is a pretty awesome game. If anyone wants to get beheaded by my billhook I usually hang on Moot's FFA server when I play.

[Roku]

Just change all bards to clerics, everyone likes clerics right?

You know I was playing Chivalry last night and it occurred to me how hilarious it would be to implement something they have there. If you're trying to chase someone down and murder them if their back is to you then you slowly gain speed. What is those pussy sarnaks did that? Watching an AOEing bard slowing consumed by a mass of 180 mobs would be fun to watch.

Side note, Chivalry is a pretty awesome game. If anyone wants to get beheaded by my billhook I usually hang on Moot's FFA server when I play.

Picture an elephant draping it's trunk over your shoulder. That giant elephant in the room is that no bard would be kiting if this mechanic was implemented here, and thus the humor you seek to observe would not occur.

On a side note, elephants like peanuts.

[Clark]

http://i.imgur.com/Uo0xXI9.jpg

Orange = bard pull area

You = somewhere else



JK btw, when people get all whiny and start hollering in OOC and getting the bard hate rolling I don't usually pay 'em much mind, but if you msg me and talk to me like an adult I will leave mobs up for you.

haha

[ncapatina]

Picture an elephant draping it's trunk over your shoulder. That giant elephant in the room is that no bard would be kiting if this mechanic was implemented here, and thus the humor you seek to observe would not occur.

On a side note, elephants like peanuts.

So everyone wins?