Gear and playtime don't give an advantage.

[runlvlzero]

To skilled players.

Or well established guilds?

wut?

please explain?

Y'all know its pretty hard to establish a guild when its easier to just join an established opposition.

Nah nah, Nune, and Thulak, u guys are smart and top dawgs over here. But your logic is a tad bit flawed.

[Champion_Standing]

Playtime is the only way to get an advantage in EQ.

[andromax]

Well, smart playtime.

[Thulack]

If you have 50 people with average gear that can mobilize quicker then 30 people with uber gear the 50 will win. Having numbers and being able to mobilize even with not high end gear can yeild you raid kills. Doesnt take VP gear to kill any raid mobs(only excemption might be main tank but a smart guild feeds their tanks gear first). High playtimes and gear as you put it really have nothing to do with that when it only takes 1 person to send out a batphone. Also you never even mentioned the skill of the player. I see alot of dumbasses with great gear that don't know how to play their class right.

and on a side note why does everyone forget the c in my name? i mean people all the time call me thulak. what gives?

[runlvlzero]

If you have 50 people with average gear that can mobilize quicker then 30 people with uber gear the 50 will win. Having numbers and being able to mobilize even with not high end gear can yeild you raid kills. Doesnt take VP gear to kill any raid mobs(only excemption might be main tank but a smart guild feeds their tanks gear first). High playtimes and gear as you put it really have nothing to do with that when it only takes 1 person to send out a batphone. Also you never even mentioned the skill of the player. I see alot of dumbasses with great gear that don't know how to play their class right.

Agreed, but not many of these awesome underdog guilds around atm namean?

People just camp at the raid targets on zergs from what I read in RnF these days. Heard TMO wiped to a dragon even.

Seems like a few well geared players just invite all they can and batphone away. *DKP grinding for the total wins. Mad skill.

[Splorf22]

I don't really see gear/levels as a huge advantage. Kunark simply isn't that hard: TR was killing most of the Kunark dragons with 25 people, and that was before epics/vp gear. Now everyone certainly needs their resist sets and potions and such, but those aren't really that expensive.

Playtime is a huge advantage under the current (variance) rules, but with less insane methods of solving the overcrowding it wouldn't be nearly as big.

[Kergan]

If you have 50 people with average gear that can mobilize quicker then 30 people with uber gear the 50 will win. Having numbers and being able to mobilize even with not high end gear can yeild you raid kills. Doesnt take VP gear to kill any raid mobs(only excemption might be main tank but a smart guild feeds their tanks gear first). High playtimes and gear as you put it really have nothing to do with that when it only takes 1 person to send out a batphone. Also you never even mentioned the skill of the player. I see alot of dumbasses with great gear that don't know how to play their class right.

and on a side note why does everyone forget the c in my name? i mean people all the time call me thulak. what gives?

Because the C adds nothing of value, min/maxers will skip the C. We do it up pro style around here, you want your C go back to EQ Live.

[Cecily]

A 50p Dwarven Ringmail Tunic is a better raiding piece than most Trak BPs.

[kotton05]

buffs and prep are way more important than most gear.

[HippoNipple]

Agreed, but not many of these awesome underdog guilds around atm namean?

People just camp at the raid targets on zergs from what I read in RnF these days. Heard TMO wiped to a dragon even.

Seems like a few well geared players just invite all they can and batphone away. *DKP grinding for the total wins. Mad skill.

Is it really that much of a mystery to why 50+ highly devoted and skilled players don't all decide to join the server at once and somehow find each other? People that have no life and play EQ 10+hours a day are hard to come by, and they are all in the top guilds already.

[Tanthallas]

People that have no life and play EQ 10+hours a day are hard to come by, and they are all in the top guilds already.

[heartbrand]

Eq doesn't get hard until planes of power and even then not so much. GoD is a different story tho

[InfamousTaco]

Guys - This game has been out for 13 years and it's combat pace is slow as molasses.

Skill isn't much of a factor. Unless you are mentally retarded.

[Thulack]

Guys - This game has been out for 13 years and it's combat pace is slow as molasses.

Skill isn't much of a factor. Unless you are mentally retarded.

You would think that but go sit in places like KC on a daily basis and tell me how many geared unskilled toons you run across.

[runlvlzero]

A 50p Dwarven Ringmail Tunic is a better raiding piece than most Trak BPs.

Absolutely. Yet rarely see em even on red lol.

[SamwiseRed]

Guys - This game has been out for 13 years and it's combat pace is slow as molasses.

Skill isn't much of a factor. Unless you are mentally retarded.

rip saidin :(

[Nune]

I'm only a top dog pver here bcause I am the people's champ, helpin the youngins find their path in the ways of norrath. Not te kind of people's champ that joins the zerg force like that dwarf pally faggot

[Orotiagito]

As a standpoint from a new players, if I were to play 2 Ogre SK's the one that I give the Ebon Mace to is going to level faster and be able to solo mobs at lower health, less deaths and able to kill higher levels mobs at faster rate.

I get your point, but gear does effect solo play and overall group output a lot. In raiding probably not a huge deal as long as everyone plays their role correctly - as Thulack said 50 intelligent players outweighs 30 geared lazy fucks. :)

[Andervin]

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/621/626/e2b.jpg

[Peekae]

Establishing a guild is the only hard part the actual raiding is easy as long as you have the people camped and willing to log when the mob spawns.

As it sits now it's hard to recruit dedicated people because going through a 3 week app status beeline to vp gear is much easier than joining and helping establish a young upstart.

In the end as long as you are having fun though doesn't matter .

[runlvlzero]

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/621/626/e2b.jpg

also

Establishing a guild is the only hard part the actual raiding is easy as long as you have the people camped and willing to log when the mob spawns.

As it sits now it's hard to recruit dedicated people because going through a 3 week app status beeline to vp gear is much easier than joining and helping establish a young upstart.

In the end as long as you are having fun though doesn't matter .

Pretty much, better equiped players get up to raiding level fast as well, which is actually easier to do on an older server despite everything being camped due to a more inflated, but pliable economy. There is some challenging aspect to starting fresh and being the 1st that many like as well.

[Motec]

A 50p Dwarven Ringmail Tunic is a better raiding piece than most Trak BPs.

Yep

On my cleric, or Wizard:
90% of raiding loot I use is from mid level EQ, jewelery crafted or entry level planes.

You're a moron if you think it takes gear to win at EQ, at any level in the game, in any expansion up to GoD. Gear has nothing to do with it.

Failing to strategise, have the right class combinations to suit various factors, and researching the game matter.

On P1999 it takes class combination, mobilisation, numbers, and if the former fails just retarded clickies like soulfires, traks teeth etc.

But all of those, take hours. Without hours, there is no victory on P1999, because of retarded non classic designs like variance, and non CSR zones, and a lack of any GM desire to lower their workload and have PNP.

[Cecily]

Only exception I can think of is dueling Gaffin. Then it's 100% gear.

[Wotsirb401]

It seems to be hard to create a guild to compete with FE/IB and TMO becasue the supply of people willing to camp out isnt very high. I know there are former people who used to do it in BDA and other guilds but the numbers just aren't there for all the Midnight-8am spawn times

[Kegir]

It seems to be hard to create a guild to compete with FE/IB and TMO becasue the supply of people willing to camp out isnt very high. I know there are former people who used to do it in BDA and other guilds but the numbers just aren't there for all the Midnight-8am spawn times

There would be more people willing to if there wasn't extended extended extended variance.

Hard for the more casual guilds to camp toons out at a target when theres a chance he wont spawn for over a week.

[dav]

I've noticed Taken at least beginning to attempt things lately. Unfortunately the non-classic server variance is THE benchmark that needs to be met and passed in order to raid competitively here.

It's not player skill, or gear, or any of that other junk because these are 32k mobs. They all help, and most raid guilds expect their players to have them, but the challenge is in tracking/poopsocking and getting enough like-minded individuals to do the same.

That's the real challenge on p99.

[Wotsirb401]

That was my whole point, casuals want to be casual. Can't keep up the hardcore as long

[dav]

There would be more people willing to if there wasn't extended extended extended variance.

Hard for the more casual guilds to camp toons out at a target when theres a chance he wont spawn for over a week.

Using last VS as an example I agree, that was quite the joke. The windows was what.. 6, maybe 7 days thanks to extensions? Think about, guilds had people there tracking for the first half, and then for the second half (late window and extensions) 3 guilds had typically 5-10 people each just sitting there, waiting for the fucker to pop.

I don't know of any casual guild in their right mind that would put up with something like that.

[Elements]

You would think that but go sit in places like KC on a daily basis and tell me how many geared unskilled toons you run across.


You'd be amazed at the level <40 supremacy mains running around that are <3 months old wearing 500k-1mil pp in twink gear claiming "dude im good at EC". I wish I had that skill...

[Elements]

Yep

On my cleric, or Wizard:
90% of raiding loot I use is from mid level EQ, jewelery crafted or entry level planes.

You're a moron if you think it takes gear to win at EQ, at any level in the game, in any expansion up to GoD. Gear has nothing to do with it.

Failing to strategise, have the right class combinations to suit various factors, and researching the game matter.

On P1999 it takes class combination, mobilisation, numbers, and if the former fails just retarded clickies like soulfires, traks teeth etc.

But all of those, take hours. Without hours, there is no victory on P1999, because of retarded non classic designs like variance, and non CSR zones, and a lack of any GM desire to lower their workload and have PNP.

This can be true. But you either need zerg force or some combination of skill and gear with fewer numbers.

[dav]

This can be true. But you either need zerg force or some combination of skill and gear with fewer numbers.

You would be surprised just how much of both there are in the raid scene. Pick your side wisely when jumping in IMO.

[Gaffin']

Only exception I can think of is dueling Gaffin. Then it's 100% gear.

[Motec]

I've noticed Taken at least beginning to attempt things lately. Unfortunately the non-classic server variance is THE benchmark that needs to be met and passed in order to raid competitively here.

It's not player skill, or gear, or any of that other junk because these are 32k mobs. They all help, and most raid guilds expect their players to have them, but the challenge is in tracking/poopsocking and getting enough like-minded individuals to do the same.

That's the real challenge on p99.

Taken = TMO though, hence TMO give taken guys VP keys, free VP loot, take them in for kills. In exchange, Taken poopsock shit mobs for TMO to deny other guilds like BDA. Ultimate feeder guild.

TMO and Taken is what, 120-140 active person agreement covering world spawns sometimes?

[Motec]

Using last VS as an example I agree, that was quite the joke. The windows was what.. 6, maybe 7 days thanks to extensions? Think about, guilds had people there tracking for the first half, and then for the second half (late window and extensions) 3 guilds had typically 5-10 people each just sitting there, waiting for the fucker to pop.

I don't know of any casual guild in their right mind that would put up with something like that.

I put in 200+ hours over the last two VS's easily, and about 5-6k plat in peridots alone.

Thats one person, out of maybe 10-15 from 3-4 guilds there at all hours. Two Venril spawns is responsible for 3-5000 man hours of staring at a fucking wall. Welcome to P1999.

[pasi]

EQ has got to be the only MMORPG where I would rather have a downright terrible player who plays 10 hours a day rather than a very good player who plays 5 hours a day (until GoD at least). It's really no fault of the game, just an effect of content developed in the infancy of the genre.

Playtime is by far the most valuable characteristic of a raider since there really isn't much of an output difference between bad and good.

[Joyelle]

Taken = TMO though, hence TMO give taken guys VP keys, free VP loot, take them in for kills. In exchange, Taken poopsock shit mobs for TMO to deny other guilds like BDA. Ultimate feeder guild.

TMO and Taken is what, 120-140 active person agreement covering world spawns sometimes?

Lawl. Wrong, wrong, wrong... Oh! Also wrong.

[Motec]

I agree, its wrong.

Absolutely wrong for the health of the server, but thats shot anyway so go for it. Wrong or not.

[Lojik]

I put in 200+ hours over the last two VS's easily, and about 5-6k plat in peridots alone.

Thats one person, out of maybe 10-15 from 3-4 guilds there at all hours. Two Venril spawns is responsible for 3-5000 man hours of staring at a fucking wall. Welcome to P1999.

Damn 5,000 man hours. Assume min wage or some average wage of $20/hour, we're talking VS is worth $50,000 per spawn or something in man hours? damn. This sort of analysis really reinforces my idea that I have to quit this game.

[uygi]

Taken = TMO though, hence TMO give taken guys VP keys, free VP loot, take them in for kills. In exchange, Taken poopsock shit mobs for TMO to deny other guilds like BDA. Ultimate feeder guild.

They actually haven't really been working together that I've seen for a while. Taken successfully petitioned TMO for training at Inny a few weeks ago, and the following pop Taken got the kill.

[Retti_]

http://img.pandawhale.com/30871-NSFW-gifs-made-SFW-lol-funny-h-OSpI.gif

[Cecily]

Yeah Taken are our underlings. So what?

[Joyelle]

Yeah Taken are our underlings. So what?

Then where's all my phat lootz

[Thulack]

Yeah Taken are our underlings. So what?

Please don't insult us like that :)

[Splorf22]

That whole VS debacle is why I have never tried to join a raiding guild. 100 hours staring at the wall? /cry

Also if Treats/Elethia get their way VS is going to get quite a bit harder, so good luck with that.

[diplo]

That whole VS debacle is why I have never tried to join a raiding guild. 100 hours staring at the wall? /cry

Also if Treats/Elethia get their way VS is going to get quite a bit harder, so good luck with that.

join red where the lewts are plentiful and the socks are empty of poop.

[Champion_Standing]

join red where the lewts are plentiful because the servers empty.

Fixed

[diplo]

more sparse than empty. makes the game more challenging...forces you to rely on yourself more...makes the game HARD again. it's like playing Fight Night and playing on GOAT instead of Rookie.

[webrunner5]

Its takes 30 to 45 seconds to kill a top end mob on here. All could have a Orc Pick and do that. Yawn. :o

[Motec]

Thats called putting on a show.

200 man zerg rush for sev last week or wenever it was with <CAN I TAKEN YOUR MYSTICAL ORDER>tm was hilarious, like 230 people in zone and 70+ players feared.

[Clark]

buffs and prep are way more important than most gear.

[runlvlzero]

Taken = TMO though, hence TMO give taken guys VP keys, free VP loot, take them in for kills. In exchange, Taken poopsock shit mobs for TMO to deny other guilds like BDA. Ultimate feeder guild.

TMO and Taken is what, 120-140 active person agreement covering world spawns sometimes?

Seems like a very legit strat tho, noobs can go into taken and get loots without zerging up the bigger guild. Good for the server to have feeder guilds. Fair enough.

[Thulack]

Seems like a very legit strat tho, noobs can go into taken and get loots without zerging up the bigger guild. Good for the server to have feeder guilds. Fair enough.

just FYI Motec has no clue what he is talking about...anyone really surprised though?

[Soandso]

Yeah seems like Motec is extremely confused about Taken.

[Lionfish Roundup]

you post shit on forbidden section of forum?

shame on you smurf

[Motec]

Yeah seems like Motec is extremely confused about Taken.

Cool, so Taken officers aren't given VP keys, groomed by TMO, offered loot in exchange for poopsocking, tracking and numbers games?

Because the entire server sees it even if you dont in your own guild.

I never said it was a bad thing either, just laugh out loud like a motherfucker if you guys dont think that happens.

[Soandso]

They actually haven't really been working together that I've seen for a while. Taken successfully petitioned TMO for training at Inny a few weeks ago, and the following pop Taken got the kill.

[Motec]

Cool, so 40 Taken at Sev 2 weeks ago killing it (running away feared) with TMO was just for old times sake?

Cool story.

[Soandso]

Did it ever cross your apparently all knowing mind that Taken might have been there trying to kill it on their own? Has it occured to you that Taken has been stepping up starting to raid bigger things? Like when they sniped Draco right out from under TMO a few weeks ago or got FTE on Dojorn when TMO was the only other guld there? I'm not even in Taken but it doesn't take a genius to see this.

[Soandso]

Oh yeah I forgot to end with a cool quip.

Cool story? I added a question mark fyi.

[Motec]

Did it ever cross your apparently all knowing mind that Taken might have been there trying to kill it on their own? Has it occured to you that Taken has been stepping up starting to raid bigger things? Like when they sniped Draco right out from under TMO a few weeks ago or got FTE on Dojorn when TMO was the only other guld there? I'm not even in Taken but it doesn't take a genius to see this.

Lol, how do 35 LD people running AWAY FROM THE DRAGON kill anything?


ITS A BIG NASTY RABBIT.

[Motec]

Oh yeah I forgot to end with a cool quip.

Cool story? I added a question mark fyi.


You did indeed, but well made up for.

Just another thing raiding with TMO has taught you.

[Soandso]

Lol, how do 35 LD people running AWAY FROM THE DRAGON kill anything?


ITS A BIG NASTY RABBIT.

I don't think Taken has killed any dragon besides Faydedar? I could be wrong but I would guess it is because they are not familiar with Sev and naturally it's going to take some time for a smaller guild to face new challenges. Their a semi-casual guild so I would also guess most of their members don't have full resist gear sets. I saw tons of Taken still with LFG up when the dragon was popped. Don't bother putting together perfect groups just group up and get going!

[Motec]

I don't think Taken has killed any dragon besides Faydedar? I could be wrong but I would guess it is because they are not familiar with Sev and naturally it's going to take some time for a smaller guild to face new challenges. Their a semi-casual guild so I would also guess most of their members don't have full resist gear sets. I saw tons of Taken still with LFG up when the dragon was popped. Don't bother putting together perfect groups just group up and get going!

Noone has been in a group for a dragon kill on P1999 except gorenair for about 2 years.

And yes, its hard to learn 14 year old content with strategy, abilities, spell data all over the internet to search for.

And I agree, their resist gear must of sucked because 275pp gets you full MR set, and a few hours of farming/EC fills in the rest for next to nothing. Once again, really hard shit.

Must be trying though, as three <Taken> legitimately KS'd my King Tranix the other week, after seeing he was due on their way to Ragefire (which I didnt just go and 2man infront of them), so afterwards they just set up camp ontop of me, and KS it from me after a few hours of me waiting for pop. Hell I even had it slowed before dimwit enchanter could cast tash. Learn to reflexes.

Serious business killing dragons though. Sev strat is most closely guarded secret of IB and TMO on server. (stack MR, kill big thing with wings).

[Soandso]

Noone has been in a group for a dragon kill on P1999 except gorenair for about 2 years.

And yes, its hard to learn 14 year old content with strategy, abilities, spell data all over the internet to search for.

And I agree, their resist gear must of sucked because 275pp gets you full MR set, and a few hours of farming/EC fills in the rest for next to nothing. Once again, really hard shit.

Must be trying though, as three <Taken> legitimately KS'd my King Tranix the other week, after seeing he was due on their way to Ragefire (which I didnt just go and 2man infront of them), so afterwards they just set up camp ontop of me, and KS it from me after a few hours of me waiting for pop. Hell I even had it slowed before dimwit enchanter could cast tash. Learn to reflexes.

Serious business killing dragons though. Sev strat is most closely guarded secret of IB and TMO on server. (stack MR, kill big thing with wings).

Did you miss the part about how they're a semi casual guild? Granted yeah the content isn't that hard but you still have FE and TMO wipes these days. And yeah while the content isn't really that challenging 90 percent of the people on this server haven't even see a dragon so when something is new there are roadbumps. Most people in semi casuals guilds would be excited enough just to be a part of these raids so I'm sure they just volunteer themselves even though there not prepared and ill equipped. Can't speak on the Tranix that does sound pretty bad but we were not talking about that. We were talking about how apparently Taken tracks so many mobs for TMO and apparently Taken is a VP geared guild? I think most people would tell you this is false. Hell they already have in this thread. You just seem extremely bitter about a guild that is pretty obscure to the raiding scene. (No offense really) Credit to them trying to change that though but it sucks when you have people who are ill-informed spreading false information.

[Yapas]

Cool, so 40 Taken at Sev 2 weeks ago killing it (running away feared) with TMO was just for old times sake?

Cool story.

100% Paranoid.

Take a nap !

[Motec]

Can't speak on the Tranix that does sound pretty bad but we were not talking about that. We were talking about how apparently Taken tracks so many mobs for TMO and apparently Taken is a VP geared guild?


Obligatory cool story. There are at least 6 people in Taken with VP loot.

Secondly, no use replying to underlings in Taken with any substance as it's obviously a brainwashed mob, big brother TMO forum crew will show up soon enough.

Thirdly, noone cares if Taken are in bed with TMO, I can think of nothing else that would be more of a hindrance than the low HP aggro of 30 guys without resist gear spreading the HP/sec load and recast delays thin. So don't hide it, I encourage it more and more for that reason alone.

Finally, I am only writing posts with the honesty and integrity, fact checking, and rose coloured short term memory that I so often see from your (and my!) friends at TMO. I have simply moved myself left and up the bellcurve to be at the level most commonly seen here. Because george clooney. yoloswag

[Detoxx]

wow u dumb, motec

[Servellious]

Simple resist gear a resist geared warrior and clerics plus enough wizards and rogues will obliterate any kunark mob. Also as Merkk mentioned buffs buffs buffs

[Thulack]

wow u dumb, motec

[Yapas]

wow u dumb, motec

Definitely..

[Motec]

Deathproof kills himself to single undead mobs in KC from 100% hp.

As a fully VP geared 60 necro.

Nuff said sunshine. Infact, two of you died, two geared, 60 necros. Level 47 mobs.

[Godefroi]

Yapas ist just a dumb bitch high 24/7, don't expect her to be any good but a warm body lol.

[Confit]

Deathproof kills himself to single undead mobs in KC from 100% hp.

As a fully VP geared 60 necro.

Nuff said sunshine. Infact, two of you died, two geared, 60 necros. Level 47 mobs.

I must alert Fox News of this.

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[Picked]

Playtime=the alpha and omega of EQ. The more time you play the more resources you got. The more characters, more loot, and everything else. And yes those things do give an advantage. If everyone in your guild has 3 or more lvl 60 characters you can sit at different spawns waiting for the batphone it makes you much more prepared.

The big issue in EQ with getting raid mobs is mobilization. If you can just camp an alt and be ready for the call for a variety of different pops you are at a huge advantage over everyone else.

Is it ideal? No. Is it time consuming? Very. But to me if you have those resources it makes your life a lot easier when it comes to high end raiding. I don't have any of these luxuries but anyone can see how this gives you advantages.

[Erati]

Long ago i think 8 months ago TMO came to us n offered opportunity for keying select few toons they would bring into VP for "experience"

what came of this?

No keys. Not 1. Why? Well TMO canceled the offer when their members were worried we would be <Taken> their loots.

We have never tracked for TMO, nor have we joint raided anything.


there are 2 Taken members with VP keys that were handed to them by Zeelot himself. They attended a handful of VP batphones but this was nearly a year ago and only bc they had been friends since 2010.

those are the facts...

[Enxienty]

Well obviously the more time you put into something the more you will get out of it thats life lol

[Motec]

Long ago i think 8 months ago TMO came to us n offered opportunity for keying select few toons they would bring into VP for "experience"

what came of this?

No keys. Not 1. Why? Well TMO canceled the offer when their members were worried we would be <Taken> their loots.

We have never tracked for TMO, nor have we joint raided anything.


there are 2 Taken members with VP keys that were handed to them by Zeelot himself. They attended a handful of VP batphones but this was nearly a year ago and only bc they had been friends since 2010.

those are the facts...

Taken things out of context, and taken liberties with the truth.

Good work son of Alarti.

[Thulack]

Taken things out of context, and taken liberties with the truth.

Good work son of Alarti.

More like the truth and your a newb who knows nothing :)