Veeshan's Peak Training

[Rallyd]

As was said in the other thread, currently there are members of Azrael training Nihilum in Veeshan's Peak using plug pulling techniques to sneak past see invisible mobs, and using Z-axis exploits to get the mobs into position on top of the enemy raid to effectively train.

This being said, should we modify the rules on red to match those of the old rules that were accepted for Plane of Fear deathtouch cycles.

Sirken/Amelinda combine ruled that unless you had a raid force ready to contest the current raid force in the zone, you could not activate the CT death touch cycle. This was meant to deplete the ability to grief, and promote true pvp.

At the current moment in VP, 1-2 people can terrorize 30 people and there's virtually nothing the 30 people can do about it.

[big mouth chew]

you guys should do what you did in classic and just log off til those 1-2 ppl go to sleep then raid uncontested

shits not rocket surgery

[Jigga]

Thought VP is a csr free zone

[Bazia]

No one is using plug pull techniques, guides constantly watch the people training due to the dozens of petitions.

Anyone plug pulling would be quickly cleansed just as Ender was at trak lair some time ago.

Also the 30 people can kill the 1-2 people unlike on blue.

[quido]

Tell me about these z-axis exploits.

[Colgate]

As was said in the other thread, currently there are members of Azrael training Nihilum in Veeshan's Peak using plug pulling techniques to sneak past see invisible mobs, and using Z-axis exploits to get the mobs into position on top of the enemy raid to effectively train.

This being said, should we modify the rules on red to match those of the old rules that were accepted for Plane of Fear deathtouch cycles.

Sirken/Amelinda combine ruled that unless you had a raid force ready to contest the current raid force in the zone, you could not activate the CT death touch cycle. This was meant to deplete the ability to grief, and promote true pvp.

At the current moment in VP, 1-2 people can terrorize 30 people and there's virtually nothing the 30 people can do about it.

plug pulling techniques?? lol??

lite even streams himself training you guys

i've gotten past the 2 drake/2 racnar spawn without "plug pulling techniques"

maybe you should learn something about everquest mechanics before you cry foul?

as for nothing you can do about it, it's a pvp server HEH

[magician]

There are no z-axis exploits homies

[DeadlyApostle]

I spent 4 years being trained by 1 person on Sullon Zek. If the GMs are going to let that shit slide here I'll find something better to do with my time.

[Colgate]

This post says it is a non CSR zone with exceptions, need to make an exception to rez box training imo, if they can make exceptions to ledges?

PSA: Veeshan's Peak

I think they need to make an exception to rez box training, that is clearly a form of exploiting?

so is using CoH an exploit too? why don't you go kill the people rezzing him, or better yet, prevent him from training through pvp instead of hiding on off-limits ledges in the zone, crossing your fingers, and hoping the scary bad bards just go away :(

[pharmakos]

back in the day, "no CSR" just meant "we're not gonna help you recover your corpses etc."

the Play Nice Policy was still supposed to apply

[Colgate]

I spent 4 years being trained by 1 person on Sullon Zek. If the GMs are going to let that shit slide here I'll find something better to do with my time.

later, bluebie

[Bazia]

The blue server guilds get trained in VP every day, and they can't even attack the people training them and deal with it pretty easily.

Seems like you guys need to learn to play better, you even have the advantage of being able to attack the trainers.

[SamwiseRed]

you could just, i dunno, pvp them?

[Elderan]

you could just, i dunno, pvp them?

Too easy to ress out and move the ress point. You would need 4-5 groups roving around to get them and that would not allow for anyone in vp.

[Bazia]

having 4 people outside in skyfire to stop them from zoning in with pvp is too hard bros

[SamwiseRed]

you guys can field 40 people, cant leave a group outside vp?

[Colgate]

4-5 groups required to kill a cleric and a druid

intredasting

[Bazia]

I'm sure they are going to change the rule after 2 years of enforcement on blue, which blue players learned to easily deal with and slay dragons daily even without the ability to attack the trainers

[Rallyd]

Yes because killing a raid buffed bard is as easy as 1 2 3. We all know if a bard doesn't wish to be killed in pvp, he won't be. You cannot CC them in any way shape or form, a bard could run directly at you, in the time you cast a rapture he will be out of range on the other side of you.

The question is, do we want all of these EQmac players coming to a p99 server where training is legal, and promoted? I believe they just lost EQmac to that same philosophy.

[Elderan]

having 4 people outside in skyfire to stop them from zoning in with pvp is too hard bros

Try and stop a bard in an open zone like that.

Good luck.

[Bazia]

You still haven't addressed why the blue players can easily deal with the trains despite not even being able to be attack the trainers at all.

[Feniggles]

where half our fun is ruining yours lol

[Nizzarr]

What I dont understand is why they dont try a train-free veeshan's peak on both blue and red server? If there was no trains on blue, TMO would be somewhat forced to head straight to vp and get their dragon kills, giving other smaller guilds a shot at old world targets.

On red, it would means the opposition would have to get trak tooths and actually pvp to get something done in VP. You know, PVP on the pvp server.

You're gonna have 20 new zones to police when Velious comes out, dont give me the "we dont want to police veeshans peak" bullshit.

[Bazia]

What opposition on red, the 7 guys who sometimes farm crypt in seb

[maverixdamighty]

Yes because killing a raid buffed bard is as easy as 1 2 3. We all know if a bard doesn't wish to be killed in pvp, he won't be. You cannot CC them in any way shape or form, a bard could run directly at you, in the time you cast a rapture he will be out of range on the other side of you.

The question is, do we want all of these EQmac players coming to a p99 server where training is legal, and promoted? I believe they just lost EQmac to that same philosophy.

more tears please. l2p

[pharmakos]

You still haven't addressed why the blue players can easily deal with the trains despite not even being able to be attack the trainers at all.

variance might be the difference, idk tho.

on red, they stay in VP for awhile and kill 'em all. on blue, there's just one dragon pop at a time.

on red, the trainers can plan and organize way ahead of time, since they know exactly when the dragons are gonna pop.

[Rallyd]

Training needs to be taken back to the live play nice policy on training.. no training.. EVER. If you are caught you will be dealt with. This needs to happen on both blue AND red.

[Bazia]

no one outside of nihilum knows when they are going to raid vp, and the dragons are always up

so that point makes no sense

[Bazia]

training enforcement in all zones is a joke

nizzar gate potted entire plane of fear temple on me and i had proof

he got like 7 days after i got 2 weeks for fearing a kobold in blackburrow that a person was fighting

[pharmakos]

no one outside of nihilum knows when they are going to raid vp, and the dragons are always up

so that point makes no sense

gotcha. i just assumed they'd kill 'em soon after they popped. i'm new to red, excuse me. =p

[Bazia]

all good heh

[Stasis01]

I like the idea of having a hands off zone, but it doesn't make any sense for why it should be and other zones not IMO.

I find the QQ funny though, Lite and Twainz obviously doing work lawl.

[Greegon]

thread is sigworthy

[Colgate]

i like how nizzar is asking for competition and speaks out against training, very amusing

maybe you should stop recruiting the entire server, and maybe you should listen to your own advice instead of training every PvP encounter that you're losing? remember when you were JUST recently banned for training repeatedly in plane of fear? where was this attitude then?

[Dullah]

I like the idea of having a hands off zone, but it doesn't make any sense for why it should be and other zones not IMO.

I find the QQ funny though, Lite and Twainz obviously doing work lawl.

If by doing work you mean playing selos with mobs chasing them to use DA song and then take a rez box, yep, work is being done. Even when our bards shit on them and force them out of zone, they DA rez box out and are back within seconds.

A nutless monkey could also do said work, which is why allowing 2 people to grief train 30 people is ridiculous.

[Kraftwerk]

A nutless monkey could also do said work, which is why allowing 2 people to grief train 30 people is ridiculous.

If by ridiculous you mean really funny, then yea.

[Bazia]

They do it on blue np

learn to play crybaby

[Colgate]

If by doing work you mean playing selos with mobs chasing them to use DA song and then take a rez box, yep, work is being done. Even when our bards shit on them and force them out of zone, they DA rez box out and are back within seconds.

A nutless monkey could also do said work, which is why allowing 2 people to grief train 30 people is ridiculous.

kill the rezzers

not rocket surgery

[Dullah]

They do it on blue np

learn to play crybaby

One guild with 5x our numbers does it on blue to other guilds 4x bigger than us. The only reason we don't have those numbers here is because we allow you to compete with us so you don't get so butthurt and flood these forums with your tears.

[Greegon]

basiah owning at forumquest hard right now

jimmies rustled

[Dacuk]

you guys should obviously just keep recruiting. i hear your at mid 40s numberwise raid attendance, another 10 more you can pvp with 25 outside and farm inside with 30. shits gravy.

[Colgate]

One guild with 5x our numbers does it on blue to other guilds 4x bigger than us. The only reason we don't have those numbers here is because we allow you to compete with us so you don't get so butthurt and flood these forums with your tears.

lol? you guys mass recruit anyone

no one here is flooding the forums with tears except for you, rallyd, eldermoran, and nizzar

[Bazia]

One guild with 5x our numbers does it on blue to other guilds 4x bigger than us.

guilds dont bring 200 people to vp

usually like 40ish

which is what you bring

except they get trained by like 40 people instead of 2 and they can't attack the 40

l2play

[Dullah]

Nah, just a pathetic demonstration of the exact reason they will never beat Nihilum.

They don't realize their attitude is what turns off their own players from staying with them. Instead of competing they bawl their eyes out on the forums, scream hacks when they are losing and then attempt to grief players any way they can.

Its no wonder 20 of their players apped to us in the last month. You're only hurting yourselves.

[Bazia]

ur the one crying on forums dude

at least u gave up the blue server training argument when u realized how dum it was

[Feniggles]

love nihilum such a great guild its like being on live again.

[Colgate]

Instead of competing they bawl their eyes out on the forums

reread this thread

scream hacks when they are losing

take a look at my sig, the thread about rallyd accusing me of /stick, the multiple threads where tune is calling me a speedhacker every single day, a recording of the monk botb where kaylea, willan, vaporize, bulletproofx, etc. all accuse me of speedhacking while i beat down nothxu 60-0 2 rounds in a row, the many threads with screenshots where hectorchrist is calling me an MQ2 user, the thread about ganka calling me an MQ2 user

attempt to grief players any way they can.

remember those times when the savage wolves crew tried to level in solb and you guys killed them when they were level 40 over and over? remember when heresy was trying to do plane of hate and you guys killed them and corpse camped them numerous times when they were level 52-55?

[s1ckness]

blue server has more competition , why dont u c if they will let yall xfer over

[lite]

dullah actively /sticks and tries to develop new ways to create wow addon like features for everquest. shud stay out of threads.

[Feniggles]

so hopefully my buddy karsten is on tonight, his foots banged up btw. who wants to go get xp in the hole? we can kick back and drink a couple wine coolers and chit chat about days past. everyone welcome, toodles

[lite]

5 lvl 60 characters banned for MQ use compiled by handpartytowel, which was also banned. Nilly gearing up their new toons so they can continue cheating.

[Sirken]

back in the day, "no CSR" just meant "we're not gonna help you recover your corpses etc."
the Play Nice Policy was still supposed to apply

You seem to think that our "No CSR" rule is related to SOE's "No Guide" Rule (Maybe also called "No CSR"). The live version was a list of zones that guides could not enter due to the possibility that they may unintentionally interfere with the players.

This is not the same. Our "No CSR" Rule was not put in place to mimick live's, it is a separate rule in place for separate reasons. Therefor, your comparison to any relative eqlive policy is invalid.

Disclaimer: This post was made to correct the misconception that the rule was based on an eqlive policy, which is not. I am not posting to say that we would or wouldn't consider removing our "No CSR" policy, which may or may not be up for reconsideration.

[Elderan]

sirken

Your logic is so flawed its scary.

You cannot on one hand say training is legal because pathing is "fucked" then on another say we cannot kill on ledge because pathing is "fucked".

[Greegon]

Your logic is so flawed its scary.

You cannot on one hand say training is legal because pathing is "fucked" then on another say we cannot kill on ledge because pathing is "fucked".

http://i1116.photobucket.com/albums/k567/scaleblue/FattyGenius.gif

[Feniggles]

dullah actively /sticks and tries to develop new ways to create wow addon like features for everquest. shud stay out of threads.

can i borrow the azrael guild fungi when smdy gets back i wanna make a melee

[Retti_]

can i borrow the azrael guild fungi when smdy gets back i wanna make a melee

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_leeptqJa9P1qdlkgg.gif

[Sektor]

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_leeptqJa9P1qdlkgg.gif

I'm the left rettiwalk is the right

[Sirken]

Your logic is so flawed its scary.

You cannot on one hand say training is legal because pathing is "fucked" then on another say we cannot kill on ledge because pathing is "fucked".

watch this,

you can not go on ledges, and training is allowed because pathing in VP is "fucked".

[Rallyd]

watch this,

you can not go on ledges, and training is allowed because pathing in VP is "fucked".

Then fix pathing in VP by disabling the requirement for Z-axis for mobs to hit you.

[Greegon]

sirken'd

http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m15ih9eQgu1qh51ogo1_500.gif

[freez]

hahahaha

o my sides


o lawd


hahahahaha

[Bazia]

heh

[HeisChuck]

Isn't Rallyd Emumu the guy who would exploit his IP exemption over and over in classic, and still manage to take dirt naps twice a night??

oh the irony

[Nytch]

I spent 4 years being trained by 1 person on Sullon Zek. If the GMs are going to let that shit slide here I'll find something better to do with my time.

It was more like 2.5 years, he played Kirban for at least 1.5-2 years before getting banned and making Speedd

[s1ckness]

watch this,

you can not go on ledges, and training is allowed because pathing in VP is "fucked".

lol'd real hard

[s1ckness]

Isn't Rallyd Emumu the guy who would exploit his IP exemption over and over in classic, and still manage to take dirt naps twice a night??

oh the irony

yaw, remember him training us many times at naggy then using that exploit,

now hes crying

[s1ckness]

Then fix pathing in VP by disabling the requirement for Z-axis for mobs to hit you.

or listen 2 GMs

[Not_Kazowi]

Thanks for the good drama while I've been out of the country. Love this community

[K|mm Barely]

Mad 47 year olds.

[Derubael]

Someone please explain how TMO gets mobs in VP on blue when FE trains them??

They can't kill the players, and they also cant stick a group in skyfire to pk them on their way in.

TMO somehow still gets pixels. ????????


TMO confirmed wizards.


**edit** tmo rarely if EVER has over 40 in vp btw. its usually ~30.

[Bazia]

yeah i already pointed that out like 4 times, they just ignore logic and spam retarded shit

[magician]

Someone please explain how TMO gets mobs in VP on blue when FE trains them??

They can't kill the players, and they also cant stick a group in skyfire to pk them on their way in.

TMO somehow still gets pixels. ????????


TMO confirmed wizards.


**edit** tmo rarely if EVER has over 40 in vp btw. its usually ~30.



U type like and idiot

[Retti_]

sounds like u have a crush on tmo

[Derubael]

Deflect all you want, but until a valid answer is provided as to why its possible to kill vp dragons on blue but not on red, I don't see this getting changed.

[s1ckness]

ouch

[Giovanni]

Step 1: recruit 80% of the server
Step 2: get the opposition banned
Step 3: wipe the lvl 40 group in solb repeatedly until they either quit, join, or buy your rmt loots
Step 4: get griefed by the last one or two hold outs who didn't accept the guild invite. Make really annoying threads asking to change the server rules and/or ban them too

[Not_Kazowi]

Everquest

[SamwiseRed]

nilly trying to pvp staff more than actual players.

[Rallyd]

Someone please explain how TMO gets mobs in VP on blue when FE trains them??

They can't kill the players, and they also cant stick a group in skyfire to pk them on their way in.

TMO somehow still gets pixels. ????????


TMO confirmed wizards.


**edit** tmo rarely if EVER has over 40 in vp btw. its usually ~30.

On blue server, you cannot pvp.. this actually acts as a boon to the people trying to prevent trains on their raids... allow me to explain.

1 person can counter train any incoming train by healing the target that the train is focusing on, and leading it away. On Red99, you can do this, but the person you healed can also pvp you, so as you counter his train, he snares you or stuns you or dispels you, and the train kills you because you can't kite it.

If I were going to stop a train on blue, I would simply aggro the entire zone except dragons (easy to do because they're always down) and kite them to the entrance, then proceed to path them over the bridge endlessly forever.
The reason this won't work on red is because the people who are trying to train you can also choose to pvp you to stop you from training, then continue training after.

[s1ckness]

Maybe u should exploit IP again and u wont get trained

[Bazia]

shits not really enforced either way

sektorz trak train fraps was the literal best possible evidence someone could have and he didnt get banned

might as well legalize it imo

[Elderan]

shits not really enforced either way

sektorz trak train fraps was the literal best possible evidence someone could have and he didnt get banned

might as well legalize it imo

He did get suspended...

[Silikten]

Title tells me Nihilum can't kill 2 people with 40 members.


Not sure if srs or mad bad sad pathetic

[Bazia]

not 2 weeks

i ate 2 weeks for fearing a kobold

need moar staff in my guild

[Elderan]

Someone please explain how TMO gets mobs in VP on blue when FE trains them??

They can't kill the players, and they also cant stick a group in skyfire to pk them on their way in.

TMO somehow still gets pixels. ????????


TMO confirmed wizards.


**edit** tmo rarely if EVER has over 40 in vp btw. its usually ~30.

There is zero justification for allowing people to train in VP...

ZERO... It is called lazy GMing...

[Elderan]

Title tells me Nihilum can't kill 2 people with 40 members.


Not sure if srs or mad bad sad pathetic


We killed them about 10 times last train session.

[heartbrand]

TMO did VP with 26 the other day

[lite]

I havent died to PvP in VP? How many Nihilum have died to PvP in VP? I like how kills are turned off in a contested zone.

[Retti_]

TMO did VP with 26 the other day

Can I come

[quido]

Can I come

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[Retti_]

Rude

[Colgate]

On blue server, you cannot pvp.. this actually acts as a boon to the people trying to prevent trains on their raids... allow me to explain.

1 person can counter train any incoming train by healing the target that the train is focusing on, and leading it away. On Red99, you can do this, but the person you healed can also pvp you, so as you counter his train, he snares you or stuns you or dispels you, and the train kills you because you can't kite it.

If I were going to stop a train on blue, I would simply aggro the entire zone except dragons (easy to do because they're always down) and kite them to the entrance, then proceed to path them over the bridge endlessly forever.
The reason this won't work on red is because the people who are trying to train you can also choose to pvp you to stop you from training, then continue training after.

is there something wrong with your brain? none of that made any sense

seriously

none of it

[Terpuntine]

On blue server, you cannot pvp.. this actually acts as a boon to the people trying to prevent trains on their raids... allow me to explain.

1 person can counter train any incoming train by healing the target that the train is focusing on, and leading it away. On Red99, you can do this, but the person you healed can also pvp you, so as you counter his train, he snares you or stuns you or dispels you, and the train kills you because you can't kite it.

If I were going to stop a train on blue, I would simply aggro the entire zone except dragons (easy to do because they're always down) and kite them to the entrance, then proceed to path them over the bridge endlessly forever.
The reason this won't work on red is because the people who are trying to train you can also choose to pvp you to stop you from training, then continue training after.

This is a joke right? Or are you truly that dumb?

[hagard]

nihilum the biggest bunch of crybabies I ever seen on a pvp server

[hagard]

This is a joke right? Or are you truly that dumb?

yes terp, the guy really is that stupid

[Fame]

Good thread, would read again.


Step 1: recruit 80% of the server
Step 2: get the opposition banned
Step 3: wipe the lvl 40 group in solb repeatedly until they either quit, join, or buy your rmt loots
Step 4: get griefed by the last one or two hold outs who didn't accept the guild invite. Make really annoying threads asking to change the server rules and/or ban them too

[Smedy]

lol.... lite streams live video to us to watch when he trains, i ensure you, no 'plug pulling' or exploits are happening

[Smedy]

5 lvl 60 characters banned for MQ use compiled by handpartytowel, which was also banned. Nilly gearing up their new toons so they can continue cheating.

someone please confirm, pms welcome, ur identities will be kept private

[Rellapse35]

lol Nihilum p sad

[Derubael]

There is zero justification for allowing people to train in VP...

ZERO... It is called lazy GMing...

Your opinion has been noted, sir.

words

no.

Discussion still open for valid discourse.

[Jenni D]

Wont server be dead(er) once teams99 opens anyway?

[s1ckness]

elderan going to take his ldr board and go home

[Kinamara]

I guess VP is shut down for good in that case on red. No future guilds will be able to raid it, as all it takes is 3-5 people to stop it.

Glad I've got all my shit from there at this point lol.

If people can go in and just train without even having a raid able to contest the dragons ready, that's gonna effectively stop pve.

If there was a rule that you must have 20 people inside VP before you're allowed to train, it'd be a different story, because then pvp would actually solve the problem.

[Rellapse35]

well you could you know, kill the 2 or 3 people training with the 30 man raid force you have..after all it is a pvp server

[Kinamara]

Cannot kill people with invuln aura and res boxes before they can drop a train.

Anyway, I've got my shit, don't really mind not raiding it, but it's just a huge blow to a pvp server to allow three people to effectively shut down the end game raid zone.

Pvp over pve is fine, legal training in a zone that only one guild is actually trying to kill stuff in is not.

I just hope the current opposition someday will try to man up so we can switch the roles, cause that is what will be required for a rule change with current GM opinion.

Imo, either legalize training everywhere, or make it the same for all zones. It would really make sense to only have it allowed when you are present in a zone with a raid that is able to contest the same mob where you're training people at.

[Nothxu]

Deflect all you want, but until a valid answer is provided as to why its possible to kill vp dragons on blue but not on red, I don't see this getting changed.

Just seems silly that there are extremely rigid training rules that apply to every zone in the game, except the most difficult zone in the game.

Fighting on the ledge gives you no PvE advantage, it just allows you to avoid the training (which is bannable in any other zone).

I would also be curious how people on the blue server are killing the dragons and avoiding res box training. Do we need to get access to bards and clerics over there and grief the blue raids until something changes? There is enough griefing and trolling already.

Seems some type of rule needs to be in place about having a raid force there, similar to the rule around needing a raid force before starting the Plane of Fear death cycle. Purpose of the rules are the same, it prevents 3-4 people from griefing an entire raid and promotes pvp, which is what we all want.

[Rellapse35]

You guys full of excuses and tears over this subject. Blue still manages to kill the same dumb ass dragons while being trained.

You guys have an advantage they don't have. Can kill them b4 they even enter VP.

But hey most of the core of Nilly were rejects from blue who could not cut it in the raid scene.

[Rellapse35]

Just seems silly that there are extremely rigid training rules that apply to every zone in the game, except the most difficult zone in the game.

Fighting on the ledge gives you no PvE advantage, it just allows you to avoid the training (which is bannable in any other zone).

I would also be curious how people on the blue server are killing the dragons and avoiding res box training. Do we need to get access to bards and clerics over there and grief the blue raids until something changes? There is enough griefing and trolling already.

Seems some type of rule needs to be in place about having a raid force there, similar to the rule around needing a raid force before starting the Plane of Fear death cycle. Purpose of the rules are the same, it prevents 3-4 people from griefing an entire raid and promotes pvp, which is what we all want.

When IB or Tmo could not kill the mobs due to one side training the other. The guild leaders set in a rotation. They did not create 100 threads of tears about how they can't PVE on a PVP server.

[maverixdamighty]

Cannot kill people with invuln aura and res boxes before they can drop a train.

Anyway, I've got my shit, don't really mind not raiding it, but it's just a huge blow to a pvp server to allow three people to effectively shut down the end game raid zone.

Pvp over pve is fine, legal training in a zone that only one guild is actually trying to kill stuff in is not.

I just hope the current opposition someday will try to man up so we can switch the roles, cause that is what will be required for a rule change with current GM opinion.

Imo, either legalize training everywhere, or make it the same for all zones. It would really make sense to only have it allowed when you are present in a zone with a raid that is able to contest the same mob where you're training people at.

you can't kill the person providing them the rez box? you guys are a bunch of crybabies that are bad at this game lol.

[Kinamara]

Sure, want us to recruit 20 more to run around and do that, so that we'll be showing up with 60 at trakanon?

[Rellapse35]

http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/hines-ward-crying-sports-crying-gifs.gif

[Smedy]

Anyway, I've got my shit, don't really mind not raiding it, but it's just a huge blow to a pvp server to allow three people to effectively shut down the end game raid zone.


u know whats a huge blow to a pvp server?

grief everyone off the server by actively recruiting everybody and not letting an healthy opposition form against you.

training is healthy for the server, if you could have your way you'd rather see azrael gone and you could farm vp and everything else in peace, it's happened before and nihilum was thriving more then ever at that time.

[Pudge]

Oh my god the QQs in here are flooding my internets.

BUT WE CANT KILL THE TRAINERZ! DEY HAVE BARD SPEED! WE NEED OUR PATHING EXPLOIT IT'S NOT FAIR!

Holy shit

[Rellapse35]

Nilly should be raid suspended for exploiting tho

[Kinamara]

If I could have it my way, there would be pvp over the raid targets. Ideally 2-3 guilds taking turns on winning the fights. Thank you for telling me what my opinion is though.

I will give you that nihilum due to superior gear and tactics (and sometimes numbers) have been owning azrael in general and therefore azrael didn't really get many pixels.

However, what is being enforced atm regarding VP is just counterproductive. If a guild wants to raid VP, they will need enough people inside VP to slay the dragons and enough people outside to kill the res box trainers and their guards. So we have two options if we wish to do VP: Recruit every player available on the server effectively making it blue, or just forget about VP. I think both options are equally retarded.

Server was thriving for a few weeks while azrael tried. Now they gave up and resorted to training and crying to gms on forums, which resulted in loots being dealt out at GM events and nihilum getting people banned. I hope you can see how great this looks to people that would potentially had started playing here.

[Rellapse35]

nilly can't claim ignorance on that ledge

They need a raid suspension for exploiting, period.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=68664

[Smedy]

However, what is being enforced atm regarding VP is just counterproductive. If a guild wants to raid VP, they will need enough people inside VP to slay the dragons and enough people outside to kill the res box trainers and their guards. So we have two options if we wish to do VP: Recruit every player available on the server effectively making it blue, or just forget about VP. I think both options are equally retarded.


Well if you're not using velious as an exuse to open the recruitment and fuck the server, it's the vp thing.

Before we trained vp nihilum were still recruiting, everytime the opposition comes to the point where nihilum can loose a few bosses you open recruitment and actively seek out core people with "pixel packages" in order to secure the dragons you really don't even need.

You're killing the server by doing this, it's not like you wouldn't secure every single raid item in the game by recruiting if you weren't getting trained in VP.

I'm sorry your guild is based on loots and the only reason people logon is to raid VP, you made it this way but trying to change rules that have been set in stone even before kunark came out on red seems retarded, simply recruit more people and deal with it

[Pudge]

Smedy just read your sig again. Your traitors and sell outs thread might need an update to include some recent bluebifications...

[Nothxu]

When IB or Tmo could not kill the mobs due to one side training the other. The guild leaders set in a rotation. They did not create 100 threads of tears about how they can't PVE on a PVP server.

By rotation you mean take turns killing the dragons? So they couldn't kill the dragons then when there was training? That is my point.

[Kinamara]

Smedy, I think we can agree that one big guild taking everything is not good for the server. I'm against having 60 people to kill Trakanon - this is actually what my point was in the previous post.

If opposition brings 50, sure we would do what we could to bring a fight that can match it. I see no problems with this. The issue can then be summarized: nihilum has historically had more loot available, that can now be used to buy players. In other words: The top guild has to pay a price if there's competition. Fair and square.

I just do not see how it is any good that nihilum has to recruit a massive zerg to attempt VP, if it is not strictly required for the PVE part of it, and would not be strictly required if the opposition had to bring a raid force able to contest the dragons. It means there will be 60 people at trakanon to get their precious DKP and the opposition will then see 0 loots from any mob we have the timer on and want to take.

If opposition came to VP with an actual raid, pvp would determine who gets to attempt the dragons, rather than 3 people preventing them from being killed at all by res box training.

[Rellapse35]

rotation was 3 yrs ago Tmo does not need a rotation anymore they just out play the trainers

[Smedy]

Smedy just read your sig again. Your traitors and sell outs thread might need an update to include some recent bluebifications...

Yeah, but GM's moved my thread into rants & flames so i can't make any modifications :/

[Rellapse35]

Vp forces guilds to try and work together.

Nilly only likes to work on their nxt MQ compile.

No more VP pixels to b had

[hagard]

LEARN TO PVP U FUKIN NUBS

[heartbrand]

Personally I think the rule that you can train is pretty dumb, but @ the same time, if you were to change it now because of this on Red where you can actually kill the trainers, even after a year + of this on blue where TMO has managed, it would basically be the final blow to the server integrity here.

[Exotics]

blue thriving


http://collectionofawesome.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/deal_sloth.gif

[Greegon]

So we have two options if we wish to do VP: Recruit every player available on the server effectively making it blue, or just forget about VP. I think both options are equally retarded.

lol your guild has been doing this since classic

derrrp
http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/Retarded_f1e3ed_1323033.gif

[Salem Orchid]

Kinamaara is retarded

[Rellapse35]

Kinamaara is retarded

[Derubael]

Why do you need 20 in skyfire to block VP entrance?

[Greegon]

Kinamaara is retarded

[Nizzarr]

www.nihilumguild.com

Looking for more for VP and Velious! Join the guild getting all dem pixels or join the opposition who thinks spending their day training is beneficial for them!

[Nizzarr]

Why do you need 20 in skyfire to block VP entrance?

are you retarded? you ever tried to deal with bards outdoor?

[Kinamara]

Why do you need 20 in skyfire to block VP entrance?

Thanks for taking the time to read the thread.

Blocking the VP entrance is not really an option because the bards can just run in with selos and DA song. There's nothing to do about that, even with 20 pretty much.

However what i referred to, that we would need 20 for, is to stop their res station, where the bards have corpses ready to get ressed, so that they can drop a train on the raid in VP and then accept the res. We tried sending a small squad to stop the res station earlier, but then 10 azrael showed up to defend it.

That means we need to recruit a 20 man raid to deal with that while other 30 are inside VP killing dragons.

It is absolutely not server integrity to allow training of raids when there is raid there to contest the mobs. It is quite honestly just lame on a pvp server.

Integrity has taken a huge blow by last days GM events, azrael cries like babies who had their candy stolen and have the innoruuk loots, which they have been denied access to due to being bad pvp'ers, handed to them by a GM.

Why even bother with PvE if you can just ask for the items?

[Millburn]

Just curious...but couldn't you just preemptively train yourself and manage it that way?

[Rellapse35]

Willing to help out on rez station assistance for wiz epic.


No need to join your guild.

wiz epic > VP pixels

fair trade

[Supreme]

u know whats a huge blow to a pvp server?

grief everyone off the server by actively recruiting everybody and not letting an healthy opposition form against you.

training is healthy for the server, if you could have your way you'd rather see azrael gone and you could farm vp and everything else in peace, it's happened before and nihilum was thriving more then ever at that time.

Smedy you are smarter than this.

Nihilum cannot MAKE people not join them. Infact people that join Nihilum do so because there is no alternative. Azrael is fully of dumbasses and server rejects. New players come to red99 join "the resistance" realize how bad they are and join Nihilum OR quit.

Azrael has never been any competition. You guys may get the occansional raid mob here or there but for the last 1+ years Nihilum has farmed VP to the point of BOREDOM. And that is Azrael's fault for continuing to follow the stupidity that is Lite.

Instead of mounting an offensive to contest VP you support training, support whining to GMs and support manipulating players in order to drag down the server. If you cant win then NO one can win right?



But you know Nihilum has all the pixels they could want from VP. I encourage Azrael to start raiding in there now. I expect nothing less than to reciprocate all the training.

Enjoy!

[Greegon]

fat

[Greegon]

whew nizzar calling guide retarded, rent money affected by few lite trains

[pharmakos]

Instead of mounting an offensive to contest VP you support training, support whining to GMs and support manipulating players in order to drag down the server. If you cant win then NO one can win right?

i'm not to the end game yet on Red, but if this^ is truly what its like then.... yeah there's a big problem.

[Rallyd]

TL;DR

Entire Azrael guild pushes propaganda that training should be 100% legal in all cases.

Nihilum believes that training should not exist, but is open for discussion.

[Greegon]

Azrael is fully of dumbasses and server rejects.

hmm nihi founded by ultimate exploiter, powered by awesome people like northwest, toxicity, qazzaz, eldermoran**.. rettiwalk who's actually alright but maybe needs a lil break due to mental breakdown.. lotta these turdstains outweigh the cool people in your guild like oddjob and eximo and some others

also takes multiple people that steal from azrael's guildbank which was pretty meager to begin with and actively calls nilbog jesus and guides retarded

youre right though azrael full of 100% of the scum in the server

[Feniggles]

you guys have no idea all the fun you're missing by not joining nihilum, i wish i could show you the lite =)

[Smedy]

Sitting in the hole talking to karsten gets old, i prefer slaying nerds and having them post about how we hack on the forums

How mad was qazzaz yesterday? i would probably trade some big pixel for a recording so i could remix

[Derubael]

are you retarded? you ever tried to deal with bards outdoor?

Good job, Nizzarr. Flame the one staff member engaging in the discussion on the situation you want changed. You should take notes from your guild members:

Thanks for taking the time to read the thread.

Blocking the VP entrance is not really an option because the bards can just run in with selos and DA song. There's nothing to do about that, even with 20 pretty much.

However what i referred to, that we would need 20 for, is to stop their res station, where the bards have corpses ready to get ressed, so that they can drop a train on the raid in VP and then accept the res. We tried sending a small squad to stop the res station earlier, but then 10 azrael showed up to defend it.

That means we need to recruit a 20 man raid to deal with that while other 30 are inside VP killing dragons.

It is absolutely not server integrity to allow training of raids when there is raid there to contest the mobs. It is quite honestly just lame on a pvp server.


Guilds on blue don't even have the option of clearing out a res station in legit guild vs guild pvp. TMO was trained in VP for 12 hours the other week by 2 people, and still managed to get all the dragons that were in window.

It may be a pain in the ass, but it doesn't make it impossible to kill VP dragons. Be more creative. It's a non-csr zone, azrael isn't the only guild that can train.


Integrity has taken a huge blow by last days GM events, azrael cries like babies who had their candy stolen and have the innoruuk loots, which they have been denied access to due to being bad pvp'ers, handed to them by a GM.

Why even bother with PvE if you can just ask for the items?

Uh. What? You should rethink this statement.

[freez]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/397054fbcfb7d2de8f4740a96567828c/tumblr_mmg8pgdlbF1s37joxo1_250.gif

[SamwiseRed]

TL;DR

Entire Azrael guild pushes propaganda that training should be 100% legal in all cases.

Nihilum believes that training should not exist, but is open for discussion.

lul so many pvp encountered ended in you guys training. from nizzarr training fire giants in solb to insurance training hate. you guys are seriously delusional.

[Greegon]

<3 derubael

[SamwiseRed]

Derubael, welcome to server, I know you are semi new. Do not mind Nilly, they have always taken the stance of being above the law. They have a developer as one of their officers who usually "finds" changes when its convenient for them. IE the exact places and mobs he used to level to 60 were nerfed right after he was done with them. Whether or not you guys choose to ignore the fact that a developer has been exploiting content knowingly is up to you guys. I know its not in the best interest of the staff to publicly fight against each other. I wish integrity was across the board though.

I just don't even... I mean how the hell could P99s own developer be an exploiting piece of shit in-game? I don't get it. Unless there is some seriously onion blooms involved, I don't know.

[magician]

Taking things a lil to personal pal.

[Derubael]

Derubael, welcome to server, I know you are semi new. Do not mind Nilly, they have always taken the stance of being above the law. They have a developer as one of their officers who usually "finds" changes when its convenient for them. IE the exact places and mobs he used to level to 60 were nerfed right after he was done with them. Whether or not you guys choose to ignore the fact that a developer has been exploiting content knowingly is up to you guys. I know its not in the best interest of the staff to publicly fight against each other. I wish integrity was across the board though.

I just don't even... I mean how the hell could P99s own developer be an exploiting piece of shit in-game? I don't get it. Unless there is some seriously onion blooms involved, I don't know.
Nihilum/azrael/whoever means 0 to me and the rest of the staff. You're all players, that's it. And ty for the welcome :)

Edit:
Stop flaming each other in this thread. Take it to RnF. This thread's here for a discussion on training in VP, nothing else.

[Retti_]

azrael isn't the only guild that can train.
.

azrael doesnt have enough keys to even kill trash mobs, look at CT rules: cannot set off dt cycles unless raid force is present to steal mob

Be more creative. It's a non-csr zone
.

yet csr are intervening on a creative spot used to dodge training that has 0 effect on the pve fight and is not exploitative

[Stasis01]

I say Azrael merges with Nihilum and we end this petty training war.

For the good of the box.

[Kinamara]

chocobo, you're absolutely right that I did not join azrael. Quite honestly, azrael(full retard or whatever the name was that week) had my preference at that point, because I came to server with people from LoZ who went that way.
However. I went to one event with azrael, only to get shit talked by officers, druids asking me for symbols that I should pay peridots for while I was still new on server, etc. It took me about 20 minutes at an azrael raid to make up my mind, since some danish pals I played with on tz back in the day asked if I was interested in trying out nihilum.

Since I clearly have proven to own you, I can understand you being bitter for wasting your chances at having my heals on your side.

To your 2nd post - yes, training should either be allowed or not be allowed. Rules should be rules, no matter what zone, what day of the week, what skin color, what coffee was served that morning, etc.

[Derubael]

azrael doesnt have enough keys to even kill trash mobs, look at CT rules: cannot set off dt cycles unless raid force is present to steal mob

Fear plane isn't VP, though I understand where you are coming from with this.


yet csr are intervening on a creative spot used to dodge training that has 0 effect on the pve fight and is not exploitative

Ledge ruling is not getting changed, ever. Nilbog made that pretty clear.

[Nothxu]

Fear plane isn't VP, though I understand where you are coming from with this..

That was my point as well. The server has generally accepted that training is not pvp and not really fun for anyone. No training should be applied to all zones, especially the hardest zone currently in the game.

Based on the PoF rule, we have also accepted that 3-4 people griefing a raid of 30+ should not be tolerated either. I think a similar rule should be in place for VP.

[Rellapse35]

Ledge ruling is not getting changed, ever. Nilbog made that pretty clear.

[freez]

Ledge ruling is not getting changed, ever. Nilbog made that pretty clear.

[Derubael]

That was my point as well. The server has generally accepted that training is not pvp and not really fun for anyone. No training should be applied to all zones, especially the hardest zone currently in the game.

Based on the PoF rule, we have also accepted that 3-4 people griefing a raid of 30+ should not be tolerated either. I think a similar rule should be in place for VP.

What makes VP special is the fucked pathing in that zone. That's always been the case on both servers.

[Colgate]

as stated 50x this thread, TMO gets all the dragons in VP while being trained

you have the advantage of being able to pvp the trainers and those assisting them

play better

[maverixdamighty]

as stated 50x this thread, TMO gets all the dragons in VP while being trained

you have the advantage of being able to pvp the trainers and those assisting them

play better

[hagard]

play better

this would require them to pvp, which we all know they cannot do

[runlvlzero]

this would require them to pvp, which we all know they cannot do

[nilbog]

Are there specific problem areas in VP or just bad pathing in general?

3 months ago(ish), the .path file was updated by Alunova which removed issues we saw present. This file should have been running on the servers for quite a while.

If training was outlawed, which I personally wouldn't mind due to it falling under Exception Incident (Disruption) of Limited CSR zones, I want the pathing to be good.

As Rogean stated here:

Disclaimer: This post was made to correct the misconception that the rule was based on an eqlive policy, which is not. I am not posting to say that we would or wouldn't consider removing our "No CSR" policy, which may or may not be up for reconsideration.

It does have the possibility of being changed, regardless of how long it has been enforced.

If people know of problem pathing areas, please report them. Note: VP's .path file is different than 3 months ago. If you haven't been to VP within that time, older issues may not exist anymore.

[Yibz]

VP on red sounds blue as fuck.

P.S. VP pathing still pretty terrible.

[heartbrand]

If VP training gets changed after Azrael is finally able to do so, despite it being in place for over a year on blue, you may as well call Red99 a wrap folks. Not because the rule change is bad, training is retarded, but because it will just basically seal the deal on the 2 year concept that Nihilum is above the law, whether true or not.

[Zeelot]

VP training has been an enjoyable and fun part of the server, once velious is released it will no longer be an issue, but right now it is something that is keeping a lot of the high end players interested. It adds to the complexity of the encounters. We are usually the ones on the recieving end of trains and have never thought things would be better without them.

That being said, I support whatever Nilbog decides to do.

[Millburn]

Zeelot with the subtle call out

Not sure if blue is more red than red now or if Nihilum are just a bunch of shit eating weener wizards.

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/131/399/fry.PNG?1307468855

[Retti_]

when u can cast lvl 1 spell on the trainer and switch train agro, must be real ez mode

[freez]

retti just mad hes helpless in vp

cant pvp

cant kill dragons

cant do shit buy cry and get trained lol


;)

[Visual]

TMO gets all the dragons in VP while being trained

you have the advantage of being able to pvp the trainers and those assisting them

play better

[heartbrand]

Pras TMO

[Rallyd]

Are there specific problem areas in VP or just bad pathing in general?

3 months ago(ish), the .path file was updated by Alunova which removed issues we saw present. This file should have been running on the servers for quite a while.

If training was outlawed, which I personally wouldn't mind due to it falling under Exception Incident (Disruption) of Limited CSR zones, I want the pathing to be good.

As Rogean stated here:


It does have the possibility of being changed, regardless of how long it has been enforced.

If people know of problem pathing areas, please report them. Note: VP's .path file is different than 3 months ago. If you haven't been to VP within that time, older issues may not exist anymore.

The problem is not with specific pathing areas.. it is infact with every zone in the game. The problem lies entirely within the requirement for mobs to attain Z-axis range to hit the person they are chasing.

More details can be found in this thread : http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=123403&highlight=Z-Axis

[freez]

not the problem. problem is u on the ledge. kk

[Stinkum]

as stated 50x this thread, TMO gets all the dragons in VP while being trained

you have the advantage of being able to pvp the trainers and those assisting them

play better

[Nizzarr]

Obviously TMO will be against such a change because they'd have to play nice with the competition on the blue server and gets not even half of the mobs on a repop day at best.

Dont be blinded by their lobbying.

Also training is pvp now? tell me more

[Retti_]

retti just mad hes helpless in vp

cant pvp

cant kill dragons

cant do shit buy cry and get trained lol


;)

scuse me?

a) not mad
b) top pvper on server
c) kill every dragon every week
d) dont cry and dont get trained (whether we are on ledge or hovering over lava, lite and twainz are not good trainers)

[Nizzarr]

Pretty much remove the Z-axis "goes straight to you no matter what" pathing and make shit uses normal pathing node, also make it that if its in x,y range of you, it should hit you.

it would make pulls way more interesting in VP and it would remove the pathing tru walls going on.

[Twainz]

scuse me?

a) not mad
b) top pvper on server
c) kill every dragon every week
d) dont cry and dont get trained (whether we are on ledge or hovering over lava, lite and twainz are not good trainers)

Hoshkar and Silverwing think otherwise :D

Twainz < Phara Dar Protection Squad >

[lite]

Obviously TMO will be against such a change because they'd have to play nice with the competition on the blue server and gets not even half of the mobs on a repop day at best.

Dont be blinded by their lobbying.

Also training is pvp now? tell me more



You seem to be well informed about blue affairs for someone who suggest they never read blue forums, and thus had no idea you were exploiting. Enjoy your 2nd suspension in a 2 month period, faggot.

[lite]

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=125593


I even tried to warn you, we could have saved this embarrassment.

More luck than exploit

[Retti_]

lite r u upset?

[SamwiseRed]

why would he be upset? hes winning :D

[Retti_]

hes winning?

[mwllowyellow2]

If VP training gets changed after Azrael is finally able to do so, despite it being in place for over a year on blue, you may as well call Red99 a wrap folks. Not because the rule change is bad, training is retarded, but because it will just basically seal the deal on the 2 year concept that Nihilum is above the law, whether true or not.

Have to agree with HB on this one. Nihilum has had a lot of rules changed in their favor.

[Bazia]

when nihilum wants rules changed, they get changed

countdown to 2 year old rule being overturned

[SamwiseRed]

i look forward to arzaks changelog, should be interesting.

[heartbrand]

I'm not a tin foil hat wearer. I don't believe if a change comes it was made to benefit nihilum or something like that, but the irreparable damage to the image of the server will be done.

[Bazia]

Fear DT cycle

[runlvlzero]

This server is so anticompetitive. Flowers has no capacity to pvp or pve effectively.

Shits boring. And I'm packing my shit and going home till T99.

There is no point in it. I don't want to join Azrael and get on the same ride all over again.

Fuck it.

51 is worse than it was when pop was 20, most nights. With 80 o raid nights. Sure there's more people on the server, but most of the people logged in are untouchable to a noob with less than 1 yr /played. an army of 100 Tunes. Guarded by corruption or lazyness and apathy.

[JayN]

51 is worse than it was when pop was 20, most nights. With 80 o raid nights. Sure there's more people on the server, but most of the people logged in are untouchable to a noob with less than 1 yr /played. an army of 100 Tunes. Guarded by corruption or lazyness and apathy.

CONFIRMED FAILING IN GAME AND IN rel:mad:LIFE

[Silikten]

Step 1: recruit 80% of the server
Step 2: get the opposition banned
Step 3: wipe the lvl 40 group in solb repeatedly until they either quit, join, or buy your rmt loots
Step 4: get griefed by the last one or two hold outs who didn't accept the guild invite. Make really annoying threads asking to change the server rules and/or ban them too

[Greegon]

Enjoy your 2nd suspension in a 2 month period, faggot.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/oh-shit.gif

[Dullah]

Making good changes like removing the ability for 2 people to selos/DA/rez box train an entire raid is a no brainer. The fact that Nihilum has benefited from GM rule changes has nothing to do with staff corruption and everything to do with the fact that they aren't the people looking for opportunities to grief.

[Bazia]

on blue 30 people stop 10+ people training them without the ability to cast spells or attack them

play better

[Smedy]

these god damn tears, over dragons you've done 100 times before uncontested

maybe its time to

GO OUTSIDE

[Not_Kazowi]

these god damn tears, over dragons you've done 100 times before uncontested

maybe its time to

GO OUTSIDE

lol

[Feniggles]

yeah we go outside AND THEN YOU STEAL OUR DRAGONS@!)(*$H@{(*BG$R @{$!)

[Llodd]

when nihilum wants rules changed, they get changed

countdown to 2 year old rule being overturned

Who the hell cares how and why it's changed so long as it's changed.

[Pudge]

druids asking me for symbols that I should pay peridots for while I was still new on server, etc.

HRM I wonder who this druid could have been? Sounds like he definitely doesn't hail from new jersey.....

[Smedy]

hahaha, yeah i wonder who that might be

hahahhaha


























BOOM, PEACE *****

[Sektor]

Andis so bad. lol

[hagard]

these god damn tears, over dragons you've done 100 times before uncontested

maybe its time to

GO OUTSIDE

SERIOUSLY NERDS

GO OUTSIDE