Training in Veeshan's peak?

[Nizzarr]

I remember some thread awhile back about this issue, Nilbog has posted some interesting things in this thread on the red server chat :

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=126897&page=17

Pretty much it seems theres an opening about making Veeshan's peak a normal raid zone with no trains involved.

How does everybody here feels about having a shot @ old world/kunark content while the top guilds have to take down veeshan's peak dragons on repops?

[SamwiseRed]

bluebie

also dum
dont read blue forums sorry

[Nizzarr]

Because training is such a feat of PVP

[Bazia]

I think more poopsocking is exactly what this server needs

[Alarti0001]

Because training is such a feat of PVP

Did you get trained out of killing a mob? Red pussy

[SamwiseRed]

Did you get trained out of killing a mob? Red pussy

lol'd, nizzarr getting clowned by blue.

[Milton]

If you're havin raid problems I feel bad for you son, got 99 problems but a toon banned for 'slpoitin vp again ain't one.. HIT ME :D

Also:


Nihilum is currently banned from Veeshan's peaks for exploitation, after being severely warned in advance by players and staff.

I know most of you aren't surprise, but this is for those that still had any doubt on wether nilly MQ's exploits ...all of the above.

Ender got 5 accounts banned for MQ / stripping / deleting characters. They are gearing him new toons.

Handpartytowel compiles MQ's for them, they are currently leveling his next wizard after his previous one's ban for MQ abuse.


Also, they are creating WoW addon like software to further facilitate PVE.

Dragon defender, out.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1170966&postcount=1

[Llodd]

Thanks for posting that here, wouldn't have seen it otherwise. It's good to finally actually see that the staff aren't totally against the idea of making VP a decent raid zone that the majority would like to see.

[Rellapse35]

Did you get trained out of killing a mob? Red pussy

[Hastley]

Thanks for posting that here, wouldn't have seen it otherwise. It's good to finally actually see that the staff aren't totally against the idea of making VP a decent raid zone that the majority would like to see.

VP was never intended for the majority to see.

[Brut]

"The pathing is bad, it's impossible!" -argument is still the silliest part every time this is brought up. There are two kinds of broken pathing:

A) No pathing nodes, as such mobs run through everything and get to the players awful easy, warp through stuff, fall under world or attack you through walls (see: 95% of emu servers). This is the bad kind of pathing that makes things really obnoxious to deal with and is really bad.
B) Mobs run around nodes and frequently loop back and forth in simple slopes and usually take decades to reach wherever they're supposed to be heading at, if they even do manage to get there at any point (see: p99 VP). This is the xploity kind of pathing that is actually beneficial and makes crap far easier to deal with.

Also,
- Trak/juggs will be on the competing raid prty much every time when one raid wipes or screws up.
- CT is a disaster of DT cycles and nonstop lag + trains.
- Inny is raid forces trying to repeatedly pull inny and his pals to zonein and try to zerg the big guy down before wiping, repeat killing everyone until someone succeeds.

All of these encounters in their current state are far, FAR more of a mess than CSR VP could ever hope to be. Mobs have miniscule aggro ranges, you have to be in range of the dragons for them to use their AE, there are plenties of camps to set your raid up at so everyone isn't ontop of each other at zonein, the zone is small enough for relatively quick and painless pulls. TMO ofc wants to paint VP as this horrifying abomination of death and dismay that in no way can support multi guild presence. Hate/Fear are for more of an example of that and no one's whining about them. They just want their dragons easy.

[Llodd]

VP was never intended for the majority to see.

Pun or no reading comprehension?

[Tanthallas]

"The pathing is bad, it's impossible!" -argument is still the silliest part every time this is brought up. There are two kinds of broken pathing:

A) No pathing nodes, as such mobs run through everything and get to the players awful easy, warp through stuff, fall under world or attack you through walls (see: 95% of emu servers). This is the bad kind of pathing that makes things really obnoxious to deal with and is really bad.
B) Mobs run around nodes and frequently loop back and forth in simple slopes and usually take decades to reach wherever they're supposed to be heading at, if they even do manage to get there at any point (see: p99 VP). This is the xploity kind of pathing that is actually beneficial and makes crap far easier to deal with.

Also,
- Trak/juggs will be on the competing raid prty much every time when one raid wipes or screws up.
- CT is a disaster of DT cycles and nonstop lag + trains.
- Inny is raid forces trying to repeatedly pull inny and his pals to zonein and try to zerg the big guy down before wiping, repeat killing everyone until someone succeeds.

All of these encounters in their current state are far, FAR more of a mess than CSR VP could ever hope to be. Mobs have miniscule aggro ranges, you have to be in range of the dragons for them to use their AE, there are plenties of camps to set your raid up at so everyone isn't ontop of each other at zonein, the zone is small enough for relatively quick and painless pulls. TMO ofc wants to paint VP as this horrifying abomination of death and dismay that in no way can support multi guild presence. Hate/Fear are for more of an example of that and no one's whining about them. They just want their dragons easy.

Dumbest Brut couldnt have written this. Who wrote it?

[Tanthallas]

I remember some thread awhile back about this issue, Nilbog has posted some interesting things in this thread on the red server chat :

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=126897&page=17

Pretty much it seems theres an opening about making Veeshan's peak a normal raid zone with no trains involved.

How does everybody here feels about having a shot @ old world/kunark content while the top guilds have to take down veeshan's peak dragons on repops?

+1

And this is coming from someone who clearly enjoys training in VP.

[Motec]

No training pls.

I live for it. Do not like though. Can't we just get along.

[Alarti0001]

"The pathing is bad, it's impossible!" -argument is still the silliest part every time this is brought up. There are two kinds of broken pathing:

A) No pathing nodes, as such mobs run through everything and get to the players awful easy, warp through stuff, fall under world or attack you through walls (see: 95% of emu servers). This is the bad kind of pathing that makes things really obnoxious to deal with and is really bad.
B) Mobs run around nodes and frequently loop back and forth in simple slopes and usually take decades to reach wherever they're supposed to be heading at, if they even do manage to get there at any point (see: p99 VP). This is the xploity kind of pathing that is actually beneficial and makes crap far easier to deal with.

Also,
- Trak/juggs will be on the competing raid prty much every time when one raid wipes or screws up.
- CT is a disaster of DT cycles and nonstop lag + trains.
- Inny is raid forces trying to repeatedly pull inny and his pals to zonein and try to zerg the big guy down before wiping, repeat killing everyone until someone succeeds.

All of these encounters in their current state are far, FAR more of a mess than CSR VP could ever hope to be. Mobs have miniscule aggro ranges, you have to be in range of the dragons for them to use their AE, there are plenties of camps to set your raid up at so everyone isn't ontop of each other at zonein, the zone is small enough for relatively quick and painless pulls. TMO ofc wants to paint VP as this horrifying abomination of death and dismay that in no way can support multi guild presence. Hate/Fear are for more of an example of that and no one's whining about them. They just want their dragons easy.

A) Applies to VP.

As much as some people can't seem to handle juggs it is very easy not to aggro them or to train them on another raid.

CT's DT cycle has been broken for months. Also, the trains are completely avoidable it just seems some guilds want to stack on other or run trains through their camps. Those are player decisions not faulty zone mechanics.

[Brut]

The guy playing a wizard that sits outside until mob is at entrance is telling us how pulling in VP works now?

Sure, crap can be pulled right through walls if you do it properly, but that's another beneficial thing. It doesn't happen at random, it happens when you work for it to happen.

Just doesn't work as an argument that the zone is unplayable for multiple raid forces due to bad pathing since the bad pathing is actually making the zone easier.

[Alarti0001]

The guy playing a wizard that sits outside until mob is at entrance is telling us how pulling in VP works now?

Sure, crap can be pulled right through walls if you do it properly, but that's another beneficial thing. It doesn't happen at random, it happens when you work for it to happen.

Just doesn't work as an argument that the zone is unplayable for multiple raid forces due to bad pathing since the bad pathing is actually making the zone easier.

I only have 1 character...... Nice try!

Also, it does happen in random. Maybe if you were in VP even half as often as I was you would notice this. Since we are using logical fallacies to support our arguments.

[Cecily]

Pulls through the walls just happen... Those aren't desirable either. Dragons randomly popping in behind your raid add a ton of chaos to an otherwise trivial fight.

[Brut]

nonsense drivel / outright lies
Pulled mobs around there plenty enough to get the idea, the fatter dragons just take long time to reach their target since they get stuck running back and forth every now and then.

The right answer was B. Take test again next week.

[Cecily]

Now if they randomly popped in on your raid, that would be a good thing.

[Alarti0001]

Pulled mobs around there plenty enough to get the idea, the fatter dragons just take long time to reach their target since they get stuck running back and forth every now and then.

The right answer was B. Take test again next week.

Hue hue hue. You are just incorrect. You need more practice to learn these pulls/encounters. You can re-test in 3 months.

You aren't qualified to give a test on VP. If you want to proctor a Poopsock mechanics test...go ahead... that is more your speed.

Simple facts are that mobs will warp randomly and without intention. This is very demonstrable.

[Smedy]

wow, nizzar reaching out to bluebies in distress to stop training

new low, just deal with the fact that the rebels are managing to put up a god damn challenge to you guys that you can't solve by recruiting the entire server

actually... you could solve it if you recruited the entire server, but there's like a couple of white knights out there unwilling to sign up for your pixel packages! may have to call bulletproofx to go on a trip with his shotgun, he already said he would visit colgate

[Rellapse35]

wow, nizzar reaching out to bluebies in distress to stop training

new low, just deal with the fact that the rebels are managing to put up a god damn challenge to you guys that you can't solve by recruiting the entire server

actually... you could solve it if you recruited the entire server, but there's like a couple of white knights out there unwilling to sign up for your pixel packages! may have to call bulletproofx to go on a trip with his shotgun, he already said he would visit colgate

lol

[Jaxon]

Back on SZ where training was legal, I took my part in training mobs on the other team to keep them from progressing. 1 or 2 people with a train behind them can easily bring an entire raid force to a grinding halt. There's no way to stop it and the only way around it is to wait for the trainers to get bored/tired and log out. Sitting through that can sap the morale of even the most jaded, battle-hardened raider.

I don't kill dragons in VP so I'm looking in from the outside here, but I have a humble suggestion. Maybe the guilds involved should strike a deal to divide the mobs in VP instead of training each other. Working out your own solution to the problem like adults instead of having the staff treat you like children -- constantly looking over your shoulders while you raid VP -- would be the mature thing to do.

[Rellapse35]

instead of training each other. Working out your own solution to the problem like adults instead of having the staff treat you like children -- constantly looking over your shoulders while you raid VP -- would be the mature thing to do.

This is exactly the reason VP should be left like it is.

[Elderan]

Allowing training in VP isn't classic and just allows a few people who have no intention of killing a dragon to grief people actually wanting to kill dragons inside VP.

[Elderan]

This is exactly the reason VP should be left like it is.

I agree...

We wont train Azrael in VP if they don't train Nihilum in VP..

Agreed?

[Rellapse35]

I cry about PVE on a PVP server.

That is all I hear from you and your guild of morans.

[Rellapse35]

I agree...

We wont train Azrael in VP if they don't train Nihilum in VP..

Agreed?

You guys train Azrael outside VP on a constant basis. Do you see those people coming to the blue forum and unleashing their tears all over the place?

[Tanthallas]

Pulls through the walls just happen... Those aren't desirable either. Dragons randomly popping in behind your raid add a ton of chaos to an otherwise trivial fight.

LOL

Please leave this discussion to people who pull the mobs; you really have no clue what you are talking about. I can consistently pull pretty much every mob through any wall in VP; it is not something that 'just happens' much the same as TMOs (read: Zeelots) PD pulls through entrance wall solo that were the basis of every TMO PD kill 6 months ago did not 'just happen'.

When I pulled PD over the world to the circle room ledge; or when Zeelot and Darkdeath kept pulling Nexona on us on a magic carpet ride through the air to the same spot, it was not by accident.

[SamwiseRed]

I agree...

We wont train Azrael in VP if they don't train Nihilum in VP..

Agreed?

are you mental? you think that if roles were reversed nizzarr and company wouldnt be in there training every day lol.

like rellapse said, you guys constantly train outside vp so stfu already and quit crying.

[Tanthallas]

Hue hue hue. You are just incorrect. You need more practice to learn these pulls/encounters. You can re-test in 3 months.

You aren't qualified to give a test on VP. If you want to proctor a Poopsock mechanics test...go ahead... that is more your speed.

Simple facts are that mobs will warp randomly and without intention. This is very demonstrable.

Alarti seriously stop shitting up this thread; you never pulled a VP mob for your guild and have zero part in any coordinated pull / countertrain efforts in that zone.

What separates the people who know what they are doing in there and who dont is precisely being able to make this 'unintentional' behavior 'intentional'.

[Elderan]

LOL

Please leave this discussion to people who pull the mobs; you really have no clue what you are talking about. I can consistently pull pretty much every mob through any wall in VP; it is not something that 'just happens' much the same as TMOs (read: Zeelots) PD pulls through entrance wall solo that were the basis of every TMO PD kill 6 months ago did not 'just happen'.

When I pulled PD over the world to the circle room ledge; or when Zeelot and Darkdeath kept pulling Nexona on us on a magic carpet ride through the air to the same spot, it was not by accident.


Yep, the ledge is NO different then any other location in VP except it is kinda safe from player made trains.

[Smedy]

I agree...

We wont train Azrael in VP if they don't train Nihilum in VP..

Agreed?

lol

even though the rebels on red99 can only challenge nihilums numbers for a dragon maybe 3% of all the currently slain dragons you have trained almost every time u felt you were loosing the pvp. thats like a 90% train ratio on dragons where you were challenged and that wasn't even in VP

if nihilum weren't such a fucking plague on our server maybe we could be men about it, but since you guys keep training us on dragons you don't even need to kill anymore and locking everyone out of raid content by continously recruiting every single player that are weak minded, it's no surprise the few of us that can't be bought by your pixel packages actually try to hurt you whenever we can.

recruit more, have 30 in vp, have 20 in skyfire, win at everquest dog, it ain't harder then that tbh.

[hagard]

Allowing training in VP isn't classic and just allows a few people who have no intention of killing a dragon to grief people actually wanting to kill dragons inside VP.

don't cry so much over pixels. arent you a grown ass man????
PATHETIC

[Rellapse35]

inb4 Nizzaar and his guild does a mass protest and stops logging on

Life will end without those VP pixels

[Tanthallas]

Yep, the ledge is NO different then any other location in VP except it is kinda safe from player made trains.

100% true; only kinda though.

On red, I can see how it is much more secure.

[Elderan]

100% true; only kinda though.

On red, I can see how it is much more secure.

Ya on red if someone comes up there we don't want we can kill them. On blue not the case so not as secure on blue for sure.

They call the ledge an exploit even though the Dragon comes in just like any other VP location. His ae hits everyone on the ledge, his melee works normal. He acts just like he does if you pull him to the entrance.

Their lack of knowledge on this matter is scary.

[Kraftwerk]

U r such a British meatball it's scary.

[Dullah]

VP was never intended for the majority to see.

Kunark was never intended to last 3 years.

[SamwiseRed]

pvp servers were never meant to be one guild.

[Dullah]

Every EQ server was 1 guild during this era due to the limited content. Of course, you wouldn't know that because you were probably in grade school and irrelevant like in all your other endeavors.

[SamwiseRed]

not sure how being in grade school has anything to do with anything. if you dont remember more than one guild on rz i question whether or not you actually played. less than 200 pop very far from classic. the % of people in your guild of the total population is extremely far from classic. i moved to sz as soon as it opened so maybe i dont know wtf happened in rz but while there naw naw. i also had toons on blue servers and there were multiple guilds contesting outside vp. you guys are a zerg if i ever saw zerg. reminds me of goodswarm or the reddit crew on eve.

[Kraftwerk]

Lol how is someone having been in grade school at one point in their life even an insult? Not all of us wasted our early 20's with pathetic pixel accomplishments like Eldermoran.

[SamwiseRed]

confirmed i was a teenager in 1999. ya got me good pal.

[Champion_Standing]

Every EQ server was 1 guild during this era due to the limited content. Of course, you wouldn't know that because you were probably in grade school and irrelevant like in all your other endeavors.

I'll have you know that i was VERY relevant in grade school.

[Alarti0001]

LOL

Please leave this discussion to people who pull the mobs; you really have no clue what you are talking about. I can consistently pull pretty much every mob through any wall in VP; it is not something that 'just happens' much the same as TMOs (read: Zeelots) PD pulls through entrance wall solo that were the basis of every TMO PD kill 6 months ago did not 'just happen'.

When I pulled PD over the world to the circle room ledge; or when Zeelot and Darkdeath kept pulling Nexona on us on a magic carpet ride through the air to the same spot, it was not by accident.

Derper... pathing has been changed since then. Mobs still can come through walls unintentionally. The fact that they can be made to warp intentionally doesn't take away from this fact.

Is doesn't matter how much you claim to know over me or anyone else. This fact is demonstrable, and all you have are words. Words are wind sloan.

[Alarti0001]

Alarti seriously stop shitting up this thread; you never pulled a VP mob for your guild and have zero part in any coordinated pull / countertrain efforts in that zone.

What separates the people who know what they are doing in there and who dont is precisely being able to make this 'unintentional' behavior 'intentional'.

Prove it.

[Tanthallas]

Why are you posting still Alarti...do you have anything to contribute other than repeating the fact that sometimes shit happens in VP and you have no idea why?

[Elderan]

Lol how is someone having been in grade school at one point in their life even an insult? Not all of us wasted our early 20's with pathetic pixel accomplishments like Eldermoran.

It is like someone saying they know more about WWII than a person who was actually there.

[heartbrand]

THAN

[Elderan]

THAN

Thanks bro.

[Dullah]

not sure how being in grade school has anything to do with anything. if you dont remember more than one guild on rz i question whether or not you actually played. less than 200 pop very far from classic. the % of people in your guild of the total population is extremely far from classic. i moved to sz as soon as it opened so maybe i dont know wtf happened in rz but while there naw naw. i also had toons on blue servers and there were multiple guilds contesting outside vp. you guys are a zerg if i ever saw zerg. reminds me of goodswarm or the reddit crew on eve.

1 guild took down the majority of content.

If you think there is literally only one guild on r99, i question whether or not you actually play there. Oh right, you dont and you're as irrelevant there as you were on rz (if you actually played there).

[heartbrand]

Thanks bro.

pet peeve of mine bro can't help it

[Alarti0001]

Why are you posting still Alarti...do you have anything to contribute other than repeating the fact that sometimes shit happens in VP and you have no idea why?

Isn't that the point of the thread? The fact that mobs will go through walls unintentionally?

[Elderan]

1 guild took down the majority of content.

If you think there is literally only one guild on r99, i question whether or not you actually play there. Oh right, you dont and you're as irrelevant there as you were on rz (if you actually played there).

On every server it was easy for one guild to dominate all the content until Velious. The limited amount and the faction rules made it easy.

However when Velious comes it becomes MUCH more difficult to the point it is impossible without having a extremely large guild with multiple sets of alts for each faction.

Basically velious will allow for many more guilds to get boss/dragon/raid kills.

So people need to really hammer them hard about getting Velious out.

[Kraftwerk]

It is like someone saying they know more about WWII than a person who was actually there.

Making a comparison between WW2 where actual people died and a niche video game from 1999 where the only deaths were neckbeard sperm in tissues.

Vintage Eldermoran here people, hope y'all are appreciating it.

[Dullah]

Analogies are wasted on the ignorant.

[Elderan]

Isn't that the point of the thread? The fact that mobs will go through walls unintentionally?


Honestly I am not sure anymore.

GMs say training is legal in VP because mobs path though walls. But then they say killing on the ledge is illegal because mobs path through walls.

[Tanthallas]

No - the point is that there is a reason they go through the walls, and that reason defines the pathing in VP such that once you understand the reason and how to manipulate it you can then begin to address it.

Instead of bringing any semblance of understanding to this discussion, you continue to insist on shitting it up by arguing that unintentional shit happens. Unintentional shit happens everywhere - that does not mean there isnt a logic to it.

[Elderan]

Making a comparison between WW2 where actual people died and a niche video game from 1999 where the only deaths were neckbeard sperm in tissues.

Vintage Eldermoran here people, hope y'all are appreciating it.

Your post are all trolls and add ZERO content to any thread.

Welcome to ignore newb.

[Kraftwerk]

Your post are all trolls and add ZERO content to any thread.

Welcome to ignore newb.

Mission accomplished.

[Kraftwerk]

Analogies are wasted on the ignorant.

Bit of a difference between an analogy not being understood and it being completely disrespectful.

But you're a racist British meatball so I wouldn't expect you to understand.

[Cecily]

You're missing the point, Sloan. Can we put aside our differences for a moment and just laugh at Red's premiere raiding guild?

[Elderan]

You're missing the point, Sloan. Can we put aside our differences for a moment and just laugh at Red's premiere raiding guild?

We still kill the dragons in VP despite the training.

However still doesn't make it right.

I would take our 18 best over TMO 18 best any day.

Have them copy us into the arena and lets find out.

[Cecily]

Yeah, settle things with PvP! Oh, I know. Why don't you see if that helps your VP problem?

[SamwiseRed]

eldermoran had someone play his character in botb. guy is 3rd string at best.

[quido]

Copy into VP on blue and learn a thing or two, noob.

[Elderan]

Copy into VP on blue and learn a thing or two, noob.

Get the gms to copy us 2 bards 1 monk.

Then we will show you....

[Cecily]

How about you just take your second rate guild affiliation back to your own boards?

[SamwiseRed]

nihilum was founded on exploiting, doesnt surprise me to see this thread. sad thing is they have a developer (sundawg) that is an officer in their guild. why he would exploit content he works on, i have no idea.

[Tanthallas]

Get the gms to copy us 2 bards 1 monk.

Then we will show you....

hehehe...

I have agreed with you up to now; you are just insane to suggest that either FE or TMO couldnt live through 2 bards and 1 monk of yours and kill dragons ;p

[Cecily]

I don't know. Those dots mean he's serious.

[Alarti0001]

Honestly I am not sure anymore.

GMs say training is legal in VP because mobs path though walls. But then they say killing on the ledge is illegal because mobs path through walls.

Eh I don't think that is what they said :P

[Elderan]

hehehe...

I have agreed with you up to now; you are just insane to suggest that either FE or TMO couldnt live through 2 bards and 1 monk of yours and kill dragons ;p

Well I guess it depends.. On time and numbers.

We normally have 24-28 people in VP when killing dragons. Also our dragons don't pop at random times. People know when they pop and know when to setup their train/ress boxers.

Like I said earlier. The training is not preventing us from killing the dragons, it is just annoying though.

[Elderan]

Eh I don't think that is what they said :P

That is exactly from Sirken.

[Kraftwerk]

Guys don't take him seriously, there is a reason his guildies nicknamed him Eldermoran on red server. He didnt even play his own char in the BoTB he had someone else do it for him.

[Elderan]

How about you just take your second rate guild affiliation back to your own boards?


Lol scared? There are some good players in TMO no doubt. But we do a lot more with a lot less on red.

[quido]

Yet you can't stop 2-3 people from griefing you.

[Stinkum]

TMO gets all the dragons in VP while being trained

OP has the advantage of being able to pvp the 1-2 ppl who are VP keyed to train that aren't in his guild on red

play better pussy

[Cecily]

Lol scared? There are some good players in TMO no doubt. But we do a lot more with a lot less on red.

Oh yeah? You copy us a few druids and a paladin over.

World of pain, my friend. A world of pain....

[hagard]

TMO gets all the dragons in VP while being trained

you have the advantage of being able to pvp the trainers and those assisting them on red

play better pussy

P MUCH

[Tanthallas]

2-3 people who know what they are doing in VP can keep the entire zone aggroed and ping it back and forth indefinitely.

On red, due to these people being able to be killed it may not be indefinite - however, it is easily possible to do so for long enough to kill a dragon. When multiple people have aggro on the majority of the zone, killing one or two doesnt eliminate the control but merely spreads it between fewer people.

It literally takes 45 seconds to a minute to kill these dragons with 4 groups or more. I would think that the bigger threat would be a few people pvping relevant classes during the engage, not a few people training them.

That being said, however, training being legal - while fun for a few people - is overall a detriment to the server and completely opposed to what Everquest was ever about.

[Greegon]

Did you get trained out of killing a mob? Red pussy

aaaaahhh hahahahah

[Elderan]

Oh yeah? You copy us a few druids and a paladin over.

World of pain, my friend. A world of pain....

lol you have no clue how it works on red...

Tell the GMs to copy your best 18 to the Red and lets meet in the arena.

[Greegon]

eldertard, man, nihilum doesnt have jack on TMO. Pretty sure the whole reason nizzar does nothing but farm dragons on red is because he was outcast from TMO.. im not quite sure of the whole story but I know end result is that hes a scumbayg

[justin2090]

If you're havin raid problems I feel bad for you son, got 99 problems but a toon banned for 'slpoitin vp again ain't one.. HIT ME :D

[Exotics]

To whom on red to we owe pras for these delicious tears?

Lite + ?

We on blue /salute you

[sanforce]

lol you have no clue how it works on red...

Tell the GMs to copy your best 18 to the Red and lets meet in the arena.

Why do you need to be in the Arena? Isn't the entire red server the Arena?!

[quido]

Pretty sure Nizzar didn't stick it out in TMO because he saw he wouldn't have the opportunity to make a chunk of the guild bank disappear.

[quido]

Pretty sure Nizzar didn't stick it out in TMO because he saw he wouldn't have the opportunity to make a chunk of the guild bank disappear.

Like he did in his previous guild.

[Elderan]

Like he did in his previous guild.

Lol at TMO calling someone out for guild bank issues.

Its not like we don't know where your guild bank goes...

[Nizzarr]

wow, nizzar reaching out to bluebies in distress to stop training

new low, just deal with the fact that the rebels are managing to put up a god damn challenge to you guys that you can't solve by recruiting the entire server

actually... you could solve it if you recruited the entire server, but there's like a couple of white knights out there unwilling to sign up for your pixel packages! may have to call bulletproofx to go on a trip with his shotgun, he already said he would visit colgate

Hows your shadowknight going along? can I have the azrael guild fungi tunic?

stop getting banned for 2-boxing bro.

[quido]

Our bank is completely accounted for and publicly listed to our members, ya moran.

[quido]

Like he did in his previous guild.

So he just stripped the few accounts he had access to and migrated to red =(

[Elderan]

Our bank is completely accounted for and publicly listed to our members, ya moran.

And where does the plat go that you sell the item for?

Seriously man you don't want to get into this... I personally don't care about blooming onions but might not want to throw rocks when you live in a glass house.

[Nizzarr]

Was still in tmo 6 month into the red server until they reformed or something. Not sure if serious.

Red opened, never went back to blue because blue is a snoozefest.

Lets go back on the VP training

[Cecily]

And where does the plat go that you sell the item for?


Prenerf Fungis to dodge draco fear... duh.

[quido]

We buy sweet shit like pre-nerf fungus staves (like Nizzar ninjalooted on blue) and BCGs and other items for our members. How many staves is it now? We've spent like 15 million plat on people in the last 6 months.

[Rellapse35]

Lets go back on the VP training

lol

99.9% of tmo plat and items are accounted for

0% of Nizzar's guild is

wonder why he wants to get back to VP talk?

[Nizzarr]

2-3 people who know what they are doing in VP can keep the entire zone aggroed and ping it back and forth indefinitely.

On red, due to these people being able to be killed it may not be indefinite - however, it is easily possible to do so for long enough to kill a dragon. When multiple people have aggro on the majority of the zone, killing one or two doesnt eliminate the control but merely spreads it between fewer people.

It literally takes 45 seconds to a minute to kill these dragons with 4 groups or more. I would think that the bigger threat would be a few people pvping relevant classes during the engage, not a few people training them.

That being said, however, training being legal - while fun for a few people - is overall a detriment to the server and completely opposed to what Everquest was ever about.

That actually wouldnt work if they fixed their "go tru the walls" Z-axis pathing.

[Nizzarr]

We buy sweet shit like pre-nerf fungus staves (like Nizzar ninjalooted on blue) and BCGs and other items for our members. How many staves is it now? We've spent like 15 million plat on people in the last 6 months.

Jeremy got banned for boxing multiple times during the classic era.

Did you learn your lessons yet?

[Cecily]

blue is a snoozefest.

Lets go back on the VP training

About how you want to make your server even more carebear?

[hagard]

nizzar when was the last time you went outside dawg???
be real

[Nizzarr]

lol

99.9% of tmo plat and items are accounted for

0% of Nizzar's guild is

wonder why he wants to get back to VP talk?

Because you dont see nobodies with trak bps and dragon haste running around on the red server

[Nizzarr]

About how you want to make your server even more carebear?

Tmo member #300 that wants to keep monopoly on VP and other raid targets on repop coming to this thread's rescue

[Rellapse35]

Because you dont see nobodies with trak bps and dragon haste running around on the red server

because 99% of the server is in your guild

[quido]

I am excited to get into VP on red. I think training is an interesting way to create a sort of side-game in a zone that is problematic on a number of levels. Nihilum absolutely could be doing what is necessary to deter a few trainers, they just lack either the know-how or the resolve. Whatever the reason, I think they should man up and figure it out instead of crying and trying to get the rules changed to their benefit.

[dav]

Ignoring that this thread was started by a scumbag crying that his guild is being griefed on red and that the majority of it is Red server retards bickering back and forth, this echoes my sentiment on training being allowed to persist in VP.

That being said, however, training being legal - while fun for a few people - is overall a detriment to the server and completely opposed to what Everquest was ever about.


Also, not classic.

[Nizzarr]

Because training in everquest is dumb as fuck. This is not how the game should be played.

[quido]

Jeremy got banned for boxing multiple times during the classic era.

Did you learn your lessons yet?

Nizzarr, scumlord and liar. Get your facts straight, ya moran!

[Rellapse35]

Because training in everquest is dumb as fuck. This is not how the game should be played.

But yet every single encounter (only a handful) I have personally been too, You and your guild trained.

[Cecily]

Because PvP in everquest is dumb as fuck. This is not how the game should be played.

FTFY

[Nizzarr]

But yet every single encounter (only a handful) I have personally been too, You and your guild trained.

Thats a cool story bro.

[Rellapse35]

Thats a cool story bro.

So are your PVE tears on a PVP server

[SamwiseRed]

Because training in everquest is dumb as fuck. This is not how the game should be played.

lol coming from u.

[Milton]

Because you dont see nobodies with trak bps and dragon haste running around on the red server

How fucking high are you, I know of at least 5 people just like this with little to no history on p99, some of em even say they bought it from your guild with REAL MONEY LOL

[Nizzarr]

How fucking high are you, I know of at least 5 people just like this with little to no history on p99, some of em even say they bought it from your guild with REAL MONEY LOL

Thats another cool story.

[freez]

lol niz fuming


hahaha boo hoo faggot


thanks for the daily tears




NERD 8)

[Nizzarr]

Forum being quested hard today. Good job derailing.

[SamwiseRed]

learn to pvp and u can derail those trains

[Tanthallas]

We buy sweet shit like pre-nerf fungus staves (like Nizzar ninjalooted on blue) and BCGs and other items for our members. How many staves is it now? We've spent like 15 million plat on people in the last 6 months.

You had me at sweet shit

[Elderan]

I am excited to get into VP on red. I think training is an interesting way to create a sort of side-game in a zone that is problematic on a number of levels. Nihilum absolutely could be doing what is necessary to deter a few trainers, they just lack either the know-how or the resolve. Whatever the reason, I think they should man up and figure it out instead of crying and trying to get the rules changed to their benefit.

Lol you will never kill a dragon in VP on red...

Well maybe when Velious releases.

[Elderan]

Training in any zone is dumb and should not be allowed.

[Milton]

Lol you will never kill a dragon in VP on red...

Well maybe when Velious releases.

pity reply

[Cecily]

Lol you will never kill a dragon in VP on red...


That's so cute. You sound exactly like TMO.

[Rellapse35]

Lol you will never kill a dragon in VP on red...

Well maybe when Velious releases.

From these tears it appears

You may not kill many either

[Tanthallas]

Lol you will never kill a dragon in VP on red...

Well maybe when Velious releases.

This is getting weird.

[quido]

lol it is a strange sort of deja vu

[Godefroi]

neo : "oh I've already seen that"

trinity : "what ?"

neo : "deja vu"

[Elderan]

This is getting weird.

Little different on red since we can zone in 30 people and kill the other guild.

That is what we do on every other mob.. If they try them we just kill them all.

Of course if Velious is another year away who knows...

[Godefroi]

on blue bad trainers challenge skilled trainers and lose 100k every now and then

[dav]

on blue bad trainers challenge skilled trainers and lose 100k every now and then

on blue bad trainers challenge skilled trainers

challenge skilled trainers

skilled trainers

Oh Sirken/Rogean, this is all your fault.

[Godefroi]

Has Azrael been griefing Nihi in VP recently or Nizz is posting out if the blue ?

[Rellapse35]

Lite has prevented Nizzarr to obtain pixels for a few weeks. Instead of trying to figure out a solution like a mature adult he got his guild to post threads filled with tears everywhere.

[Elderan]

Lite has prevented Nizzarr to obtain pixels for a few weeks. Instead of trying to figure out a solution like a mature adult he got his guild to post threads filled with tears everywhere.

Every dragon in vp dead that we had the people for the last few weeks.

The training is just stupid and annoying.

[Jingleson]

I saw it in somebody's signature, but what is poopsocking?

[Nads]

1. A sock that is used as a temporary contained for faecal matter.
2. A vital part of any dedicated EverQuest player's equipment. A poopsock eliminates the need to go all the way to the bathroom, which wastes valuable levelling time.
3. An insult used to refer to an obsessive MMORPG player who gains an unusually high number of levels in one day.

xxx player is such a poopsocker. He got from level 1 to 60 in the span of a day.

source: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=poopsock

[Fame]

I saw it in somebody's signature, but what is poopsocking?

If you don't know you can't afford it.

[Versch]

1. A sock that is used as a temporary contained for faecal matter.
2. A vital part of any dedicated EverQuest player's equipment. A poopsock eliminates the need to go all the way to the bathroom, which wastes valuable levelling time.
3. An insult used to refer to an obsessive MMORPG player who gains an unusually high number of levels in one day.

xxx player is such a poopsocker. He got from level 1 to 60 in the span of a day.

source: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=poopsock

I have never seen the word used in that manner. It is almost exclusively used in raiding situations. Most notably, when 2+ guilds are sitting on a spawn point during a certain raid mob's window.

[Jingleson]

I have never seen the word used in that manner. It is almost exclusively used in raiding situations. Most notably, when 2+ guilds are sitting on a spawn point during a certain raid mob's window.

So how do the casual non-guilded players progress at Level 60?

[Andervin]

So how do the casual non-guilded players progress at Level 60?

From what I can tell... they don't.

[Nads]

I have never seen the word used in that manner. It is almost exclusively used in raiding situations. Most notably, when 2+ guilds are sitting on a spawn point during a certain raid mob's window.

This is also true. Especially on P99.

[SamwiseRed]

So how do the casual non-guilded players progress at Level 60?

they dont like the guys above said :)

[Jingleson]

That's not how it works in any other MMO I've ever played. I never reached 60 in 1999 14 years ago, but the way you make it sound is the only way to get good gear at 60 is to know the right people and be in a premium guild, and if that's the case, that's a little bit unfair to any player that doesn't have MLG stamped on their forehead.

[Elderan]

That's not how it works in any other MMO I've ever played. I never reached 60 in 1999 14 years ago, but the way you make it sound is the only way to get good gear at 60 is to know the right people and be in a premium guild, and if that's the case, that's a little bit unfair to any player that doesn't have MLG stamped on their forehead.

That is classic EQ for you...

It is much worse on blue because of variance also.

[Ele]

So how do the casual non-guilded players progress at Level 60?

Farm plat (seafuries, crypt groups, power leveling, EC buylowsellhigh) and buy epic MQs and dragon gear. :(

[Tasslehofp99]

So I guess its time to re-bump this thread that I started a while back:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=117238

[Jingleson]

So I guess its time to re-bump this thread that I started a while back:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=117238

Wait a minute, you're ALLOWED to deliberately train entire raid groups in high-level zones like VP and Planes? There's no rule against it?

[Tanthallas]

Every dragon in vp dead that we had the people for the last few weeks.

The training is just stupid and annoying.

The training is fun; it adds an element of strategy to what would be otherwise dull encounters that pretty much everyone is capable of doing with 3-4 groups (add one for hosh possibly) that are not composed of Alartis.

That being said - it can and has been taken to extremes. A happy medium should be found; begging the GMs for this is probably not the way to do it. Why not reach out to the other guilds and offer them something if this training bothers you so much? Perhaps give them an opportunity to kill a dragon like Silverwing or Xygoz if they agree to leave you alone on PD and Druushk?

All I am saying is that players - instead of flaming eachother and playing forumquest - can easily fix these situations with a little give and take...

[Ele]

Wait a minute, you're ALLOWED to deliberately train entire raid groups in high-level zones like VP and Planes? There's no rule against it?

Only in Veeshan's Peak on P99. There has not been an official word on Temple of Veeshan and Sleeper's Tomb, but for now the Planes are no train zones.

P99 does not follow the Non-CSR rule from live. On Live all of the planes, temple of veeshan, sleeper's tomb, and veeshan's peak were "Non-CSR" meaning they would not help you retrieve corpses (except for demonstrable game bugs), but the Play Nice policy was still in effect. People in the above linked thread contend that training was allowed in Veeshan's Peak on live, but no proof of any such activities has been presented that I recall from the gigantic thread.

[Jingleson]

Only in Veeshan's Peak on P99. There has not been an official word on Temple of Veeshan and Sleeper's Tomb, but for now the Planes are no train zones.

P99 does not follow the Non-CSR rule from live. On Live all of the planes, temple of veeshan, sleeper's tomb, and veeshan's peak were "Non-CSR" meaning they would not help you retrieve corpses (except for demonstrable game bugs), but the Play Nice policy was still in effect. People in the above linked thread contend that training was allowed in Veeshan's Peak on live, but no proof of any such activities has been presented that I recall from the gigantic thread.

Why is it allowed in VP though? Doesn't that constitute a form of griefing or harrassment? Should be prohibited either way.

[Ele]

The training is fun; it adds an element of strategy to what would be otherwise dull encounters that pretty much everyone is capable of doing with 3-4 groups (add one for hosh possibly) that are not composed of Alartis.

People didn't sign up on blue to get trained or killed by other people.

That being said - it can and has been taken to extremes. A happy medium should be found; begging the GMs for this is probably not the way to do it. Why not reach out to the other guilds and offer them something if this training bothers you so much? Perhaps give them an opportunity to kill a dragon like Silverwing or Xygoz if they agree to leave you alone on PD and Druushk?

All I am saying is that players - instead of flaming eachother and playing forumquest - can easily fix these situations with a little give and take...

You're assuming that both sides are comprised of rational people that are willing to negotiate without any intervention. A reasonable person might see better use for their time rather than spending a 12 hour stint in Veeshan's Peak "protecting" their guild's interest in waiting for a dragon to spawn. The type of person willing to spend hours and days training other people without a dragon even being activity engaged or attempted will just grind each other out for hours and days at a time. Until one side gives up. The disparity between wait it takes to kill a dragon in VP and wait it takes to disrupt a raid is quite large; 2-4 people can cause hundreds of person-hours of grief with very little effort when VP is populated with the appropriate wurm or dragon spawns.

[Tasslehofp99]

In my opinion, it takes/would take more skill to race/engage dragons in VP faster than the competition without training eachother.

[Ele]

Why is it allowed in VP though? Doesn't that constitute a form of griefing or harrassment? Should be prohibited either way.

It most certainly does, but the GMs have decided that it is appropriate behavior since P99 does not use the Play Nice Policy or Non-CSR policy from Live, but a custom rule set.

I think of VP training and variance as a social experiment just for the staff to see how long groups of people are willing to sit in a spot waiting for a dragon or how many person-hours will be expended in the name of killing said dragon. Some days it only reason I can come up with for continuing to allow the behavior.

[Andervin]

Is it safe to assume that the proprietors of this server are in said elite guild[s]?

[Alarti0001]

Wait a minute, you're ALLOWED to deliberately train entire raid groups in high-level zones like VP and Planes? There's no rule against it?

The reasons the rules have been made this way is because of the nature of VP. The zone is dysfunctional and in a competitive manner it would be highly difficult to not train an opposing raid. This would lead to lots petitions over accidents or "accidents" which would result in the GM's picking and choosing what is an actual accident.
They basically decided to let it be open to avoid that.

[Fame]

a little give and take...

Most on red are tops, maybe a few power bottoms, reach arounds just aint our thing nawmean?

[Jingleson]

It most certainly does, but the GMs have decided that it is appropriate behavior since P99 does not use the Play Nice Policy or Non-CSR policy from Live, but a custom rule set.

I think of VP training and variance as a social experiment just for the staff to see how long groups of people are willing to sit in a spot waiting for a dragon or how many person-hours will be expended in the name of killing said dragon. Some days it only reason I can come up with for continuing to allow the behavior.

I guess I'll be staying out of VP then. I'm more interested in seeing planar content anyway.

Alarti, if that's the case with VP, then why not just come to an agreement with opposing guilds that wish to run that content to set up a rotation, one guild gets it one week, another guild gets in the next week, and all other guilds stay out until it's their turn on the rotation? Wouldn't that alleviate some of the problems and give everyone a chance to get what they need from VP?

[Colgate]

We still kill the dragons in VP despite the training.

However still doesn't make it right.

I would take our 18 best over TMO 18 best any day.

Have them copy us into the arena and lets find out.

hahahaahahahah

you guys killed xygoz and silverwing each once in a three week period

don't lie dawg

[Colgate]

Because training in everquest is dumb as fuck. This is not how the game should be played.

this is a gem coming from the guy that has been banned for training and consistently trains every pvp encounter that he's losing

[Andervin]

Alarti, if that's the case with VP, then why not just come to an agreement with opposing guilds that wish to run that content to set up a rotation, one guild gets it one week, another guild gets in the next week, and all other guilds stay out until it's their turn on the rotation? Wouldn't that alleviate some of the problems and give everyone a chance to get what they need from VP?

heh :o

[Alarti0001]

I guess I'll be staying out of VP then. I'm more interested in seeing planar content anyway.

Alarti, if that's the case with VP, then why not just come to an agreement with opposing guilds that wish to run that content to set up a rotation, one guild gets it one week, another guild gets in the next week, and all other guilds stay out until it's their turn on the rotation? Wouldn't that alleviate some of the problems and give everyone a chance to get what they need from VP?

Rotation isn't competition. Why don't the GM's just make VP instanced?

[Jingleson]

Rotation isn't competition. Why don't the GM's just make VP instanced?

Why does the raiding scene absolutely have to be an all-out war between guilds? I realize that some people want to be the best they can be, but that doesn't mean they have to keep something on lockdown and NEVER let anyone have a shot at it.

[Funkutron5000]

The reasons the rules have been made this way is because of the nature of VP. The zone is dysfunctional and in a competitive manner it would be highly difficult to not train an opposing raid. This would lead to lots petitions over accidents or "accidents" which would result in the GM's picking and choosing what is an actual accident. They basically decided to let it be open to avoid that.

It doesn't seem to matter if trains are accidental or not in other zones. If you train another guild with your pull, learn to pull better or engage the mob elsewhere besides the entrance.

Or, we can keep as is and have guilds train each other into oblivion. Whatevs.

[Ele]

I guess I'll be staying out of VP then. I'm more interested in seeing planar content anyway.

Alarti, if that's the case with VP, then why not just come to an agreement with opposing guilds that wish to run that content to set up a rotation, one guild gets it one week, another guild gets in the next week, and all other guilds stay out until it's their turn on the rotation? Wouldn't that alleviate some of the problems and give everyone a chance to get what they need from VP?


You're assuming all sides are rational actors, rather than people playing the "it's mine and no one else's" game. Rotations would most certainly be a better use of everyone's time, as would a lack of variance in spawn timers. It would eliminate "tracking" the practice of having one or more people per guild sit at or near a boss spawn point smashing the track button or visually watching the screen for hours on end (don't forget you need enough people to cover these spawns for 24 hours every day otherwise you might miss it) until it spawns, upon which the tracker sends a mass email/text message to their guild's roster letting people know to log in their pre-camped and buffed characters to attempt to engage the boss first.

The "competition" outside Veeshan's Peak comes from being the first to log in a sufficient number of people in order to achieve "First to Engage" status on the mob, which grants that guild the exclusive right to kill that mob and take it's loot. However if said FTE guild loses the FTE, another guild can pick it up and claim the mob as theirs. This can bounce back in forth as pullers die or tanks go down, while reinforcements log in. Training or other raid interference can cause the FTE guild to forfeit their kill and loots and possibly earn a suspension, same for the non-FTE guild.

The "competition" in Veeshan's Peak consists not of being first to engage a dragon, but of training the ever living crap of each other's raids, when an opposing side shows up. Logging in and out with buffs until the pullers and counter-train players have a decent window for a pull and call people to log in.

[Ele]

Why does the raiding scene absolutely have to be an all-out war between guilds? I realize that some people want to be the best they can be, but that doesn't mean they have to keep something on lockdown and NEVER let anyone have a shot at it.

Free to Play servers are serious business for some people.

[Alarti0001]

Why does the raiding scene absolutely have to be an all-out war between guilds? I realize that some people want to be the best they can be, but that doesn't mean they have to keep something on lockdown and NEVER let anyone have a shot at it.

Who says it has to be? It doesn't. Anyone has a shot in VP.

[Ele]

Who says it has to be? It doesn't. Anyone has a shot in VP.*

*As long as you are willing to purposely train other players or be trained yourself and corpse camped for hours or days.


You forgot the disclaimer there.

[Alarti0001]

*As long as you are willing to purposely train other players or be trained yourself and corpse camped for hours or days.


You forgot the disclaimer there.

I put a disclaimer at KC zone in too.

[Mud]

...but that doesn't mean they have to keep something on lockdown and NEVER let anyone have a shot at it.

Their items will be "less shiny" if others are able to obtain them.

[Jingleson]

Their items will be "less shiny" if others are able to obtain them.

Those people still have to earn the items though. They have to reach a level sufficient enough to enter the zone/engage the mob, amount a force large enough to bring it down, and actually bring it down without wiping.

[Mud]

Those people still have to earn the items though. They have to reach a level sufficient enough to enter the zone/engage the mob, amount a force large enough to bring it down, and actually bring it down without wiping.

Sounds like classic EQ to me (sans the bit about training and variance).

[Alarti0001]

Those people still have to earn the items though. They have to reach a level sufficient enough to enter the zone/engage the mob, amount a force large enough to bring it down, and actually bring it down without wiping.

That would mean current raid guilds would split up into smaller guilds. Without training you can kill the hardest dragon in the game with 18 people. It would mean 30-40 guilds on a rotation on a once a week spawning mob.

[Jingleson]

Alright, well I guess I shouldn't say anymore. I haven't been around long enough to understand the politics of end-game raiding and progression on P99. Maybe when I'm a higher level I can voice my opinion a little better.

[Alarti0001]

Alright, well I guess I shouldn't say anymore. I haven't been around long enough to understand the politics of end-game raiding and progression on P99. Maybe when I'm a higher level I can voice my opinion a little better.

Its just a problem with on EQ... the raid scene doesn't support that many players.
Not to mention the amount of time spent in Kunark here.

[Jingleson]

Its just a problem with on EQ... the raid scene doesn't support that many players.
Not to mention the amount of time spent in Kunark here.

As long as the Ranger epic is doable later without being in TMO, as people are telling me to stay away from for unknown reasons.

[Cyrano]

Its just a problem with on EQ... the raid scene doesn't support that many players.
Not to mention the amount of time spent in Kunark here.

The latter is the biggest problem here. If this server had progressed on time you'd have way less problems.

[Rallyd]

Eqmac players had their server shut down by SOE because of this very subject.. do we really want to keep the rules as per standard and lose these incoming players? I don't think so.

[Alarti0001]

As long as the Ranger epic is doable later without being in TMO, as people are telling me to stay away from for unknown reasons.

Should probably talk to some TMO members instead of relying on second-hand information.

[Jingleson]

Should probably talk to some TMO members instead of relying on second-hand information.

Agreed, apologies, was just repeating what I heard. No ill feelings intended towards TMO, I've met a couple that buffed me in GFay and were really nice.

[sanforce]

Agreed, apologies, was just repeating what I heard. No ill feelings intended towards TMO, I've met a couple that buffed me in GFay and were really nice.

That was always my experience with TMO - heard terrible things and met great people.

[heartbrand]

TMO gr8 guild has Top Jew's stamp of approval

[arsenalpow]

Agreed, apologies, was just repeating what I heard. No ill feelings intended towards TMO, I've met a couple that buffed me in GFay and were really nice.

That was always my experience with TMO - heard terrible things and met great people.

Because you haven't threatened their pixels

[Alarti0001]

Because you haven't threatened their pixels

Neither have you :P

[arsenalpow]

Neither have you :P

So non threatened that you planted spies in our guild forums and batphone lists, posted RL pictures of competing guild members in RnF, lawyer every single chance you get, exploit as much as possible until you get caught, should I keep going?

[Alarti0001]

So non threatened that you planted spies in our guild forums and batphone lists, posted RL pictures of competing guild members in RnF, lawyer every single chance you get, exploit as much as possible until you get caught, should I keep going?

Yes but start with facts this time.

[quido]

shoulda heard Chest at that 2v2

[arsenalpow]

Yes but start with facts this time.

Those are all facts.

[Colgate]

chest is definitely one of the biggest crybabies i've ever seen on a video game

[arsenalpow]

chest is definitely one of the biggest crybabies i've ever seen on a video game

I'm guessing Jeremy is the top in your relationship. Nice of you to back him up though.

[Colgate]

dunno i was playing his bard and all these people crying hardcore entire time because the character had a TMO guildtag despite me not even being in TMO

[SamwiseRed]

TMO gr8 guild has Top Jew's stamp of approval

Damn hb your sig takes an entire phone screen

[arsenalpow]

dunno i was playing his bard and all these people crying hardcore entire time because the character had a TMO guildtag despite me not even being in TMO

I could give a shit less, I was calling you out because you were stepping off the platform blatantly and it kept being swept under the rug because bards are so hard to steer (allegedly)

[quido]

Chest so mad about the 15-minute snare "rule" because one TMO pal schooled two people he thought should win.

[arsenalpow]

Chest so mad about the 15-minute snare "rule" because one TMO pal schooled two people he thought should win.

Again, I only cared because judgment calls mid fight shouldn't dictate the rules. The downside of having a bard on the team is that if the fight were to go late you'd get snared and the massive bard advantage would be negated, mostly. Having that disadvantage erased mid fight at the whim of the staff was shady.

If the initial rules were "we will only snare you if the fight is boring" then I'm sure we'd have seen more bards. Even then, "boring" is a judgement call.

[quido]

I didn't like the way the harm touch resetting went, but you didn't/don't see me crying up a fucking storm over it.

[Bazia]

Jeremy is such a gr8 eq pal

[arsenalpow]

I didn't like the way the harm touch resetting went, but you didn't/don't see me crying up a fucking storm over it.

Ya, also bullshit. I wasn't present for it. Split after the BDA teams got bounced.

[Alarti0001]

Those are all facts.

prove it.

[kaev]

prove it.

Nice of you to kneejerk illustrate the "lawyer every single chance you get" like that.

[Fael]

I am pretty sure colgate schooled that team in less than 15 minutes.

Chest is not one to let a moot point get in the way of his argument.

He is also the first person I have ever seen try to interfere with a spawned monk epic fight.

And he calls others lawyers.

Dolic

[Andervin]

This drama is about as hard to follow as watching your first episode of Downton Abbey. And about as exciting.

[Nune]

prove it.

I'm sorry, but you can't be taken seriously after having seen your RL picture.


LOL

[Colgate]

I could give a shit less, I was calling you out because you were stepping off the platform blatantly and it kept being swept under the rug because bards are so hard to steer (allegedly)

lol? are you used to eq emu at all? especially with bard speed, people will ghost off in random directions when the client tries to predict where they're going

never stepped off the platform on my screen

[Colgate]

I am pretty sure colgate schooled that team in less than 15 minutes.

Chest is not one to let a moot point get in the way of his argument.

He is also the first person I have ever seen try to interfere with a spawned monk epic fight.

And he calls others lawyers.

Dolic

think the fight ended after about 17 minutes, but regardless, people were crying and begging GMs to snare me at the 5 minute mark

coincidentally all those people were in BDA/FE

[Alarti0001]

I'm sorry, but you can't be taken seriously after having seen your RL picture.


LOL

Huh? Who are you and why are you fapping to my pics?

[Nune]

Huh? Who are you and why are you fapping to my pics?

bitch im cold as ice water

[Llodd]

That would mean current raid guilds would split up into smaller guilds. Without training you can kill the hardest dragon in the game with 18 people. It would mean 30-40 guilds on a rotation on a once a week spawning mob.

Well there is another solution. Rotate every tenth spawn (or some other arbitary number). Just to let those people that don't want to become engaged in the asshattery or dedicate their lives to EQ but would like to see VP and atleast experience the encounters there and perhaps have the odd chance at it's pixels.

Tmo, or whoever is topdog, gets to "compete" most of the time and yet show some selflessness to the server.

win win right?

[Arteker]

Well there is another solution. Rotate every tenth spawn (or some other arbitary number). Just to let those people that don't want to become engaged in the asshattery or dedicate their lives to EQ but would like to see VP and atleast experience the encounters there and perhaps have the odd chance at it's pixels.

Tmo, or whoever is topdog, gets to "compete" most of the time and yet show some selflessness to the server.

win win right?

go play wow.

[Arteker]

lol? are you used to eq emu at all? especially with bard speed, people will ghost off in random directions when the client tries to predict where they're going

never stepped off the platform on my screen

you talking to a utterly trash player, i have watched the pvp and u prety much owned , the problem, is when 2 people cannot box a damm bard in that tiny area, their fault not yours.

[Llodd]

go play wow.

What's wow?

[Arteker]

What's wow?

the place where you belongs.

[Llodd]

the place where you belongs.

which is?

[Arteker]

which is?

wow

[gotrocks]

wow

lol'd so hard irl.

saw the colgate 2v1 against blue team in the tourney. 100% legit and extremely skilled.

no excuse for not being able to take colgate down in that small space. purely outskilled. would have been fucked if gms had snared him.

Again, I only cared because judgment calls mid fight shouldn't dictate the rules. The downside of having a bard on the team is that if the fight were to go late you'd get snared and the massive bard advantage would be negated, mostly. Having that disadvantage erased mid fight at the whim of the staff was shady.

If the initial rules were "we will only snare you if the fight is boring" then I'm sure we'd have seen more bards. Even then, "boring" is a judgement call.
im reading thru botb rules and 2v2 tourny post and i dont see where it says gms have to snare after a certain # of minutes. where r u getting this?

[Llodd]

wow

What's wow?

[Arteker]

What's wow?

where you should be playing

[Smedy]

lol @bluebies calling out colgate about pvp

also many lols being had in all areas of my cubical over nihilums sad attempts in making it look like EQmac players wont play here if you can train in VP

you pixel whoring fucks need to go outside right now and take a breather

[Llodd]

where you should be playing

Playing ? or belong? Make your mind up. Or maybe you meant both? If so, why didn't you say so.

Any clearer on what wow is or still in full retard mode?

[arsenalpow]

Not sure why y'all are so attached to Colgate's dick. It was a solid showing to win that fight 2v1 but the two person team was playing for the long match and when that option was removed mid fight it completely made them re-evaluate their strategy.

I watched Colgate step off the platform at least 4 times during the Sanluen/Juevento fight. It eventually came down to bard vs rogue after the casters got rolled and anytime juevento had him against the edge he'd step off the platform to move away. You know as well as I do that the extra couple steps can make the difference between you eating a BS and you moving away cleanly. In the stream a comment was even made that bard movement is tricky so they were cutting you a break.

And calling my pvp cred into question? I killed people everyday for almost two years on SZ, hell I barely even leveled because pvp was more important to me. If the red community wasn't such a degenerate cesspool I might have even played there but that's why red never took off, the community is garbage.

[Alarti0001]

Not sure why y'all are so attached to Colgate's dick. It was a solid showing to win that fight 2v1 but the two person team was playing for the long match and when that option was removed mid fight it completely made them re-evaluate their strategy.

I watched Colgate step off the platform at least 4 times during the Sanluen/Juevento fight. It eventually came down to bard vs rogue after the casters got rolled and anytime juevento had him against the edge he'd step off the platform to move away. You know as well as I do that the extra couple steps can make the difference between you eating a BS and you moving away cleanly. In the stream a comment was even made that bard movement is tricky so they were cutting you a break.

And calling my pvp cred into question? I killed people everyday for almost two years on SZ, hell I barely even leveled because pvp was more important to me. If the red community wasn't such a degenerate cesspool I might have even played there but that's why red never took off, the community is garbage.



I watched juvento step off the platform at least 4 times :)



also... LOL

[Cecily]

Over the line!
http://i.imgur.com/ud6V77M.jpg

[Snufz]

Cliffnotes?

[runlvlzero]

Nizzar needs to eat a permaban. From EQ 4 lyfe.

[Silikten]

Did you get trained out of killing a mob? Red pussy

[Silikten]

Basically, this is why Nizzar is posting this. . .

Azrael, a newly re-formed guild on red has come back with new recruits. We have been taking mobs from Nihilum the moment we hit 52+. We have beaten them several times with mid 50s toons and a few 60s to there 60 epic VP geared toons.

We eventually began to get Trakanon everytime** we pvp'd for it. VP, which has been a non CSR zone for quite some time (including while Nizzar has been farming VP for nearly a year), is now getting enemy guilds in it.

This 40 man crew of nihilum has been unsuccessful in being able to defeat 2-3 Azrael members. Meanwhile, Azrael has killed over 30 nihilum toons while they have tried to raid VP. Training, again which is new on red99 (in VP), has allowed us to halt there farm on VP. This means no pixels for nihilum which makes Nizzar a sad lil panda.

Nizzar, even after knowing VP was non CSR for this WHOLE time, has come to benefit himself so that he can raid VP. Even after knowing blue99 has training in VP all the time. It has just never affected him on red so there was no need to make posts about it.

Ultimately, Nizzar and his guild, are a bunch of exploiters (you can see that by posts) who have, and will, exploit any chance they get (exploited VP dragons most recently). This post is solely to benefit him and he could careless about how it helps blue. He only appeals to blue members because everyone on red knows why he wants this a CSR zone.

Do I agree with training Veeshans Peak? Hell yeah, but on RED99 only, it's a pvp server. If 40 people can't kill 3 people, there is something tragically off and you deserve to be trained.


p.s. Nizzar was also giving out pixels if people trained us on trakanon and ate the suspension. He even got himself suspended for blatantly training us in PoFear.

[Elderan]

Azrael, a newly re-formed guild on red has come back with new recruits. We have been taking mobs from Nihilum the moment we hit 52+. We have beaten them several times with mid 50s toons and a few 60s to there 60 epic VP geared toons.

Azrael has NEVER won pvp against Nihilum for any boss mob with even or less numbers.

We eventually began to get Trakanon everytime** we pvp'd for it. VP, which has been a non CSR zone for quite some time (including while Nizzar has been farming VP for nearly a year), is now getting enemy guilds in it.

Not one time have you won pvp at Trakanon with less or even numbers. The last Trakanon Azrael won was over a month ago. They won 3-4 over about a month period when our numbers were very low.

This 40 man crew of nihilum has been unsuccessful in being able to defeat 2-3 Azrael members. Meanwhile, Azrael has killed over 30 nihilum toons while they have tried to raid VP. Training, again which is new on red99 (in VP), has allowed us to halt there farm on VP. This means no pixels for nihilum which makes Nizzar a sad lil panda.

We have killed every mob in VP we had the numbers for. The training is annoying though.

Nizzar, even after knowing VP was non CSR for this WHOLE time, has come to benefit himself so that he can raid VP. Even after knowing blue99 has training in VP all the time. It has just never affected him on red so there was no need to make posts about it.

Amelinda said starting the DT cycle without having a force zone in was Illegal. Then sirken said that rule was old and it did not apply. Amelinda said the ledge was illegal on blue. We put in a petition a week before asking if the ledge was OK.. We got no answer so we used it to avoid the trains. Then Sirken a week later said not to.

Ultimately, Nizzar and his guild, are a bunch of exploiters (you can see that by posts) who have, and will, exploit any chance they get (exploited VP dragons most recently). This post is solely to benefit him and he could careless about how it helps blue. He only appeals to blue members because everyone on red knows why he wants this a CSR zone.


Sorry son, no exploiting happens in Nihilum, if it did I would not be in it.


p.s. Nizzar was also giving out pixels if people trained us on trakanon and ate the suspension. He even got himself suspended for blatantly training us in PoFear.

Not true, training is NOT allowed in nihilum, but this is a pvp server and it does happen.

[Silikten]

Elderan is our delusional member in the red society. Low numbers means 30 people for nihilum.

Every battle we won was with EQUAL or LESSER numbers than nihilum, as we don't have that many members to pull from.

Nihilum is currently suspended from VP for exploiting.

[Elderan]

Elderan is our delusional member in the red society. Low numbers means 30 people for nihilum.

Every battle we won was with EQUAL or LESSER numbers than nihilum, as we don't have that many members to pull from.

Nihilum is currently suspended from VP for exploiting.

Lol you are a moron..

Name one fight over a boss you won with equal or less numbers.

[Dacuk]

god some of the hypocrisy from nihilum is laughable. trying to play the white knight card when they have had more suspensions/bans from rule breaking than the rest of the red server combined. Lol king downzie nizzar calls people out for boxing when their officer Tune had a character banned for half a year boxing, and they put guild resources to regearing a new char for that scumbag neckbeard as a top priority. Their guildleader gets his toon suspended for training.... list goes on

Elderan - you have such blinders on man its sad. Your indignant attitude is jaw dropping. Yea no shit you win most fights - nilly pretty much have outnumbered and outgeared every opposition since the first month of the server. /played of nihilum as a guild surely represents more than 50% of the /played of the red server as a whole. Doesn't change the fact that you guys have broken more rules than anyone else. more lucky than exploit eh?

[Retti_]

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/459/139/f0a.gif

[NotKringe]

We still kill the dragons in VP despite the training.

However still doesn't make it right.

I would take our 18 best over TMO 18 best any day.

Have them copy us into the arena and lets find out.


This unfortunately happened on LIVE EQ... And being a proponent of pvp and from original RZ, I can safely say other than the original Test of Tactics, we lost every other one.. Afterlife dominated that scene... So careful what ya ask for there bud...

[Llodd]

Who gives a f*** why Nizzar and Nihilum want the change. Time to start looking past your d**** and realise the truth.

[Layne]

Afterlife dominated that scene...

Enjoy reading that

[bigsykedaddy]

Am I the only one who cannot stand Nizzarr's forum badge?

[Clark]

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/459/139/f0a.gif

lol

[Metallikus]

Are there specific problem areas in VP or just bad pathing in general?

3 months ago(ish), the .path file was updated by Alunova which removed issues we saw present. This file should have been running on the servers for quite a while.

If training was outlawed, which I personally wouldn't mind due to it falling under Exception Incident (Disruption) of Limited CSR zones, I want the pathing to be good.

As Rogean stated here:


It does have the possibility of being changed, regardless of how long it has been enforced.

If people know of problem pathing areas, please report them. Note: VP's .path file is different than 3 months ago. If you haven't been to VP within that time, older issues may not exist anymore.

so now that Alarti's excuse of the zone having bugged pathing being the reason that training has to be allowed is over and done with, what has to be done now before we can remove training from being the normal tactic in this zone? I would argue that it's easier to be trained in hate with current agro and pathing than it is in VP.

[Tanthallas]

it's easier to be trained in hate with current agro and pathing than it is in VP.

100%

It is extremely difficult to 'unintentionally' train someone in VP - the aggro radii are extremely small and there are huge gaps between mobs, most of which are safe. Not to mention, unlike fear and hate, the majority of the mobs do not see invis. Maneuvering around VP is actually easier than maneuvering around other high end zones; the difficulty of maneuvering is not so much being subject to 'accidental' trains but the fact that there exist bottlenecks that are difficult or impossible for non-FD classes to get by.

The only pathing issues that may lead to unintended trains have to do with mobs occasionally pathing through walls to return to their normal positions. The extent to which this would happen without intent is suspect, however, because (as far as 'unintentional' training is concerned) it is more or less confined to mobs that are brought to the zone in and taken on or past the portal area or mobs brought down from the balcony through hoshkars lair. If training was not permitted, the need to kite the whole zone would be non-existent seeing as it would be faster to either move the raid force past the few see-invis or simply CoTH to particular safe areas.