How much does Charisma impact buy/sell prices to vendors?

[Jingleson]

I'm going to make a Bard on Red99 to play during off-peak hours where I cannot get a group to grind with. I'm on the fence about whether I want to dump into Sta or into Cha. I'm leaning towards Cha because it'll help with Mezzing, but I want to know how much of a difference Cha makes as far as buying/selling prices with NPCs.

How big of a difference is there between 75 Cha and 100 Cha?

[Kergan]

I noticed as a shaman that the lvl 39 cha buff (roughly +30 cha) only added about 2 silver to the selling price of a ~12pp scythe. That's going from 60-90 cha so percentage wise a massive increase. Possibly cha effects prices more if you're indifferent or below to a merchant? This was to the warrior guild NPCs that are warmly.

[bigsykedaddy]

How much would tink bags cost at max CHA and maybe even charming the vendor to become amiable?

[Estu]

Max CHA for merchant prices is about 110. The effect is indeed noticeable compared to a low CHA.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Just get some cheep cha gear to wear when you merchant. Because it really does make a diff. If you are earning your plat by vendor trash loot as you are levling, I think it is a priority to get your cha up, yes, up around 110-130 or so. Easy enough to test. But, it caps pretty low. You do not need that much to get max vendor prices.

[Droog007]

I thought I remembered 105 cha and indifferent faction to be the sweet spot on live - or at least the point of rapidly diminishing returns.

[Thulack]

http://wiki.project1999.com/Statistics#Charisma_.28CHA.29

[Tikker]

lets put it this way


my rogue has 63 charisma
brother's paladin is 100-110, something like that

if we're in SolA, and getting those blocks of ore, I can sell one for 35ish PP, he gets over 50pp

[sellawiz]

Hmm. I don't even bother on my shaman. I have the JB helm with the clickable effect, and it's not even worth the effort for the 3 silver on the scythes.

[zanderklocke]

Gear designed for a bard will have cha on it. I think I put 5 points in cha because I liked seeing 90 instead of 85 as a starting stat. Regardless of how you build your bard, your cha will build up once you start to get gear. The amount of money you make prior to level 50 from selling mob loot is pretty negligible anyway. I mean, once you can even do seafuries in high 40s by charming them back and forth, it's pretty easy to make 1-2k per hour. I'm guessing seafuries are never crowded on red as well.

Hmmm...you do need cha moderately high though for charm to last full duration...but honestly, cha gear is easy to come by as you start to gear out as a bard. I can easily be close to 200 or over if I put on pure cha gear.

[webrunner5]

My take is if you are going to do say Trade skills well Cha is well worth it. But to the average person I think there are better stats to use.

[Estu]

My take is if you are going to do say Trade skills well Cha is well worth it. But to the average person I think there are better stats to use.

For tradeskills, certainly true, but even for the average person, at high levels you'll be selling a lot of vendor trash gems and jewelry you find on monsters. The difference from high CHA will certainly add up. It's very easy to get a Crude Stein and/or some cheap jewelcrafted gear that gives huge +CHA for vendoring stuff.

[Vermicelli]

Vendor-prices-wise, CHA isn't a worthwhile stat to invest in at character creation. If you can get some gear to bump it up, might as well because it could add up over time. Everybody gotta vendor loot, right? There is, however, a price cap at 104 CHA.

http://www.eqtraders.com/articles/article_page.php?article=g144&menustr=030000000000
For most merchants, you need indifferent faction and 104 charisma. This is to say that 1) at any given charisma, a merchant will give you the same price at indifferent, amiable, kind or warm faction (but worse at apprehensive), and 2) if your faction is at least indifferent, you will stop getting better prices beyond 104 charisma.

At 200 CHA, with Marfen Binkdirple Warmly to me (such a sweetheart!), he asks 5039PP, 9GP, 9SP, and 9CP for a Bag of the Tinkerers, asks 54PP, 4GP, 3SP, and 1CP for a fine steel longsword, and 2GP, 9SP, and 1CP for crystalized sulfur.

At 143 CHA (halfway between max and min for me), he offers the same prices.

At 104 CHA, same prices. . .

At 102 CHA, he wants 5054PP, 3GP, 8SP, and 4CP for the bag, 54PP, 5GP, 8SP, and 7CP for the fine steel longsword, and 2GP, 9SP, and 1CP for the sulfur.

At 85 CHA, unbuffed, totally de-geared, he is asking 5177PP, 5GP, 4SP, and 9CP for the bag, 55PP, 9GP, 1SP, and 7CP for a fine steel longsword, and for the crystalized sulfur, he wants 2GP, 9SP, and 9CP.

[Cecily]

The big take away here is that your bag space is better off used for cash loot than CHA gear.

[phobus]

Vendor-prices-wise, CHA isn't a worthwhile stat to invest in at character creation. If you can get some gear to bump it up, might as well because it could add up over time. Everybody gotta vendor loot, right? There is, however, a price cap at 104 CHA.

http://www.eqtraders.com/articles/article_page.php?article=g144&menustr=030000000000


At 200 CHA, with Marfen Binkdirple Warmly to me (such a sweetheart!), he asks 5039PP, 9GP, 9SP, and 9CP for a Bag of the Tinkerers, asks 54PP, 4GP, 3SP, and 1CP for a fine steel longsword, and 2GP, 9SP, and 1CP for crystalized sulfur.

At 143 CHA (halfway between max and min for me), he offers the same prices.

At 104 CHA, same prices. . .

At 102 CHA, he wants 5054PP, 3GP, 8SP, and 4CP for the bag, 54PP, 5GP, 8SP, and 7CP for the fine steel longsword, and 2GP, 9SP, and 1CP for the sulfur.

At 85 CHA, unbuffed, totally de-geared, he is asking 5177PP, 5GP, 4SP, and 9CP for the bag, 55PP, 9GP, 1SP, and 7CP for a fine steel longsword, and for the crystalized sulfur, he wants 2GP, 9SP, and 9CP.

Have you tested to see if the cap is the same for apprehensive vendors? I recall reading somewhere that if your faction standing with a vendor is below indifferent, there is a higher charisma value to get the merchant's best price (for that level of faction).

[Vermicelli]

Have you tested to see if the cap is the same for apprehensive vendors?

What do I look like? Someone who schlums around where she's not wanted? Well, maybe just this once =)

I fiddled around with my CHA at Krak Windchaser and found the capping point to be 132 CHA for Apprehensive vendors.