The Deep Web

[Nune]

Heard an interesting story on NPR about "The Deep Web" i.e. where Silk Road was taking place. It said you needed government issue software to access it, was 100% anon and such. Was curious if anyone here had ever dabbled with it, I know there's some legit tech nerds amongst the ranks here. Is it even legal to own / use the software? I guess I was allured to the fact that something in 2013 can be, supposedly, untraceable. Though the Silk Road was taken down and people got criminal charges so to an extent maybe not.

[Swish]

I was introduced to it by a friend of mine, downloaded the Tor Browser (https://www.torproject.org/projects/torbrowser.html.en) (looks/feels identical to Firefox). Government software? heh.

The browser is still available and useable...the internet would be a much more anonymous place if everyone used it. Google would throw their toys out of the pram.

Obviously its hard to outwit the FBI/NSA/CIA/DoD/other alphabet letters, there's probably some scandal waiting to be leaked about the Silk Road having some government involvement (much like government planes getting caught smuggling class A drugs from Central/South America).

Linked to Silk Road and that kind of thing is Bitcoins. Bitcoins will fail because people's currency can supposedly be hacked and therefore its not safe to use. But if you really think about the normal banking system its no different to Bitcoins in the sense that people have/will always try to steal both physically and electronically.

[Bardalicious]

https://www.torproject.org/

[Nune]

so you can just go DL this, functions as a browser, but claims complete anonymity? Dont seem classic bros, that shits gotta be puttin you on a list somewhere

[Hailto]

so you can just go DL this, functions as a browser, but claims complete anonymity? Dont seem classic bros, that shits gotta be puttin you on a list somewhere

The tor browser is legit, thats all i'll say.

[Swish]

so you can just go DL this, functions as a browser, but claims complete anonymity? Dont seem classic bros, that shits gotta be puttin you on a list somewhere

More about it on the site. But basically yeah, you're connecting through some complex web of other users to remain anonymous. Like proxies on steroids perhaps. I'm not much of a techie :D

Agree about there being a "list"...surely it would make the CIA want to monitor that particular internet traffic more vigilantly?

[Rellapse35]

Everyone knows Tor nodes are operated by the government. Do not use them as the only means @ trying to be anon. VPN + Proxies + Tor works p good.


Also find a VPN that does not keep logs if you purchase one. The free ones are garbage and will get you caught.

I use http://nvpn.net/

[runlvlzero]

OP this shit is old news. The deep web has been around since before napster. And .onion isn't deep web anymore. 90% of the .onion are NSA/CIA/FBI owned assets. Your tax money at work. Cleaning up human trafficking in other countries and giving the pharmacutical companies an edge, while creating a massive black market for this shit and helping to perpetuate it.

By the way we'd probably have less human trafficking, and drug problems if the state just stayed the fuck out of these issues and let people police their own communities at the local level. But neeeewwwppppp. An abused wife can't even kill her husband in retalation for raping their kids. And yes guns are an effective means of accomplishing this task which is none of the worlds business to be aired on fox news network.

In order to play with the deep web now you have to shell out some cash and have communications that make you suspicious and a target. They will sneak into your house at night and try to rootkit your hardware if you go that far. Yes I have seen a few articles from super hacker needs who are just paranoid tinfoil hats who have discovered backdoors and incursions into their CVN repositories and networks just for using simple encryption or running freenet. Can you still do this as a nerd if your very careful and computer literate? Yeah, but it's risky and requires exposing yourself to communications YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE EXPOSED TO! This is all because of the bullshit government spying creating this dark place and making it even deeper and worse than it ever was.

Meaning only super rich power elites have access to the truly deep web. Guess who's buying those child prostitutes? The pope my friends.

Enjoy your channeled and canned web 3.0 guys. You do not have access to all the information. Just what your allowed to have. Filtered and cleaned. Perfect and sanitary. Designed to create an optimal society where the top 1% stay the top 1% and everyone else fights each other in distraction and ignorance. Web 4.0 is when the bad stuff is 100% your government and it's doled out to keep the criminal syndicates and corrupt bureaucrats in line (it's pretty much there, but a ways to go before its complete down to the level of retards googling for shit).

[Orruar]

OP this shit is old news. The deep web has been around since before napster. And .onion isn't deep web anymore. 90% of the .onion are NSA/CIA/FBI owned assets. Your tax money at work. Cleaning up human trafficking in other countries and giving the pharmacutical companies an edge, while creating a massive black market for this shit and helping to perpetuate it.

By the way we'd probably have less human trafficking, and drug problems if the state just stayed the fuck out of these issues and let people police their own communities at the local level. But neeeewwwppppp. An abused wife can't even kill her husband in retalation for raping their kids. And yes guns are an effective means of accomplishing this task which is none of the worlds business to be airded on fox news network.

In order to play with the deep web now you have to shell out some cash and have communications that make you suspicious and a target. They will sneak into your house at night and try to rootkit your hardware if you go that far. Yes I have seen a few articles from super hacker needs who are just paranoid tinfoil hats who have discovered backdoors and incursions into their CVN repositories and networks just for using simple encryption or running freenet. Can you still do this as a nerd if your very careful and computer literate? Yeah, but it's risky and requires exposing yourself to communications YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE EXPOSED TO! This is all because of the bullshit government spying creating this dark place and making it even deeper and worse than it ever was.

Meaning only super rich power elites have access to the truly deep web. Guess who's buying those child prostitutes? The pope my friends.

Enjoy your channeled and canned web 3.0 guys. You do not have access to all the information. Just what your allowed to have. Filtered and cleaned. Perfect and sanitary. Designed to create an optimal society where the top 1% stay the top 1% and everyone else fights each other in distraction and ignorance. Web 4.0 is when the bad stuff is 100% your government and it's doled out to keep the criminal syndicates and corrupt bureaucrats in line (it's pretty much there, but a ways to go before its complete down to the level of retards googling for shit).

A post that starts with condescension and quickly devolves into a mix of conspiracy theories and insane political dogma. Well played.

[Pico]

OP this shit is old news. The deep web has been around since before napster. And .onion isn't deep web anymore. 90% of the .onion are NSA/CIA/FBI owned assets. Your tax money at work. Cleaning up human trafficking in other countries and giving the pharmacutical companies an edge, while creating a massive black market for this shit and helping to perpetuate it.

By the way we'd probably have less human trafficking, and drug problems if the state just stayed the fuck out of these issues and let people police their own communities at the local level. But neeeewwwppppp. An abused wife can't even kill her husband in retalation for raping their kids. And yes guns are an effective means of accomplishing this task which is none of the worlds business to be airded on fox news network.

In order to play with the deep web now you have to shell out some cash and have communications that make you suspicious and a target. They will sneak into your house at night and try to rootkit your hardware if you go that far. Yes I have seen a few articles from super hacker needs who are just paranoid tinfoil hats who have discovered backdoors and incursions into their CVN repositories and networks just for using simple encryption or running freenet. Can you still do this as a nerd if your very careful and computer literate? Yeah, but it's risky and requires exposing yourself to communications YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE EXPOSED TO! This is all because of the bullshit government spying creating this dark place and making it even deeper and worse than it ever was.

Meaning only super rich power elites have access to the truly deep web. Guess who's buying those child prostitutes? The pope my friends.

Enjoy your channeled and canned web 3.0 guys. You do not have access to all the information. Just what your allowed to have. Filtered and cleaned. Perfect and sanitary. Designed to create an optimal society where the top 1% stay the top 1% and everyone else fights each other in distraction and ignorance. Web 4.0 is when the bad stuff is 100% your government and it's doled out to keep the criminal syndicates and corrupt bureaucrats in line (it's pretty much there, but a ways to go before its complete down to the level of retards googling for shit).

not a bad troll

[SamwiseRed]

OP this shit is old news. The deep web has been around since before napster. And .onion isn't deep web anymore. 90% of the .onion are NSA/CIA/FBI owned assets. Your tax money at work. Cleaning up human trafficking in other countries and giving the pharmacutical companies an edge, while creating a massive black market for this shit and helping to perpetuate it.

By the way we'd probably have less human trafficking, and drug problems if the state just stayed the fuck out of these issues and let people police their own communities at the local level. But neeeewwwppppp. An abused wife can't even kill her husband in retalation for raping their kids. And yes guns are an effective means of accomplishing this task which is none of the worlds business to be airded on fox news network.

In order to play with the deep web now you have to shell out some cash and have communications that make you suspicious and a target. They will sneak into your house at night and try to rootkit your hardware if you go that far. Yes I have seen a few articles from super hacker needs who are just paranoid tinfoil hats who have discovered backdoors and incursions into their CVN repositories and networks just for using simple encryption or running freenet. Can you still do this as a nerd if your very careful and computer literate? Yeah, but it's risky and requires exposing yourself to communications YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE EXPOSED TO! This is all because of the bullshit government spying creating this dark place and making it even deeper and worse than it ever was.

Meaning only super rich power elites have access to the truly deep web. Guess who's buying those child prostitutes? The pope my friends.

Enjoy your channeled and canned web 3.0 guys. You do not have access to all the information. Just what your allowed to have. Filtered and cleaned. Perfect and sanitary. Designed to create an optimal society where the top 1% stay the top 1% and everyone else fights each other in distraction and ignorance. Web 4.0 is when the bad stuff is 100% your government and it's doled out to keep the criminal syndicates and corrupt bureaucrats in line (it's pretty much there, but a ways to go before its complete down to the level of retards googling for shit).
Are u on acid bro?

[runlvlzero]

You guys really have no clue. It probably won't ever matter to you guys, or maybe even make a difference in your lives. But shit is serious. Internet belongs to the American people (ok maybe the world), we payed money and the DoD created it as a service to us through our taxes. Private interest (mostly universities at first to be clear and avoid the nerd bullshit )built it and grew it as a public domain. And now its part of our culture.

If you don't give a fuck about how it works. And whats going on. Thats fine. But don't tell me I'm an idiot for seeing all that shit 1st hand. There is no conspiracy. The entire traffic of the web is being archived daily. The government is without any warrents or really courts at all hacking everyones computers and breaking encryption and hacking legitimate projects, both at home and abroad to provide backdoors. The sad thing is they in most cases leave traces and break shit all a long the way. They perform corporate espionage. They've been doing this since Xerox and (probably before) were sending bugged copiers to Russia. Except now its everyone and everywhere.

The Linux kernel itself is at risk to this shit. Linux runs most of the backbone of the web. Your android phones. Tampering been detected in several algorythms and programs. Of course diligent devs fix the security holes and zero days when they pop up. But the NSA/CIA, government, military are actively seeking to keep introducing these issues. Especially in apps like TOR.

Understand when I say they I mean NSA. Military. Darpa. Top level shit. Except most of their work is farmed out to smaller civilian firms which get payed big big money to spend their time cracking peoples routers, and dumping malicious code all over, and filtering and running projects like carnivore. It's a service the government mostly pays for with oversight from the NSA.

There's phone companies who provide VOIP or skype like services that are complete shell companies of governments, both foreign and domestic. And they all work together to trade data on us. Worldwide.

The amount of information available is insane. And the people with the most power and least oversight. Military Industrail Complex, Spies, Criminals, have access to most of it. And they all interact with eachother, use it, and manipulate it.

It's not a conspiracy. It's a career path if your interested.

I think the most sad part of it all is the horrendous amount spent on domestic spying could be spent better elswhere... health, education, civil engineering, police, infrastructure, science, research, just about anywhere would be a better use for it rather than in the pockets of rich powerful fascists. Very little of the data collected proves to be useful at all. Most of it, 99% is white noise. And the 1% that matters only matters in a political sense.

But than you guys don't even want to question your governments management of NASA and top secret information. The deletion of our history and heritage, and destruction of cultures for colonial interest.

The internet shit is just an obvious tip of the iceberg to people who do that shit for a living. Go visit an ATnT telco, its been a hot topic of discussion since before the towers went down.

It's pretty staggering. I've gone through the top secret leaked pdfs that were int he news and been following this shit a lot. I've had many discussions with experts on the internet about it. Shits for real.

I've also noticed how the way the web is accessed has been changed and how google has changed as well. That shit is being manipulated to make it "simpler" and "stupider" and harder to stumble apon the crazy shit.

Search engine quality has gone down dramatically over the years as its been monopolized.... this I'll agree is probably more to do with a monopoly and less to do with government influence.

For instance it use to be much easier to access scientific white papers on Martian spectroscopy. Now the really juicy ones are burried if findable at all.

And uhh... all those chips that get shipped in from china in your stupid ass little wireless routers... hahahahaha

[quido]

get some brains, morans

[Hasbinbad]

running an encrypted virtual machine inside a linux box over a vpn with proxies is pretty much the only way to surf anon. tor (alone) has multiple vulnerabilities that can be exploited if "they" are trying to find your data trail.

[Hasbinbad]

i fucking hate it when i agree with relapse

[runlvlzero]

I'll leave this little tidbit here for you guys... slashdot is a horrible aggregate now but the stories that occasionally get linked there are still pretty good sometimes.

http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/11/10/225210/gchq-created-spoofed-linkedin-and-slashdot-sites-to-serve-malware

Thats like 1... article...

There's so fucking much to find on the web right now its literally hilarious. The cats out of the bag for anyone interested in doing some work. Also. I don't think the NSA really cares that the intellectuals know.

They just care that people don't come burning down their industry with pitchforks. I don't think they have anything to worry about judging humanity.

[runlvlzero]

running an encrypted virtual machine inside a linux box over a vpn with proxies is pretty much the only way to surf anon. tor (alone) has multiple vulnerabilities that can be exploited if "they" are trying to find your data trail.

All this does is give some reasonable protection of evidence, or whatever it is you have saved. But their logging these streams with TOR and everything else from when you connect your network to the ISP and the endpoints out of the TOR nodes. In extreme cases your virtual machine is running code with an exploit or has been cracked already. In any case it's enough to get you in trouble if they decide your a terrorist. A means of physically destroying your computer is the best bet, but they will still have logs that you visited XYZ vpn. And may even have some data from the end point. And the 5th does not apply to computers. If you destroy or obstruct the government from seeing what is there, its taken as a sign of guilt. No one gets this level of attention unless their developing encryption or working in a field that threatens their ability to see what they want to see. Or unless your involved in something obviously interesting like those .onion site mentioned by the OP.

And if you get accused of being a terrorist, or whatever... you better hand over the keys because you'll get fried for exorcising your right to private communication. No more habeas corpus my friends. They can hold you indefinitely until you give them what they want.

I think there's plenty software out there still thats probably fine. But it's iffy business and any one running a VPN is a priority target for the kind of bullshit bugging and monitoring their pulling now.

TOR is especially risky right now. Malware copies have been hosted by these agencies that are open as plain text to the right people. So as far as i'm concerned its a toy to circumvent peoples bans. or whatever.

I don't even bother with it. I surf in plain text or bother with https for banking. I post this shit here for everyone to see. Aint worried about it. Their also not interested in finding people who download TV really unless your extremely dumb about it and happen to be a random target/example. And thats handled by agencies much lower anyway who request access to the more interesting information on a case by case basis.

There is surprisingly better information on the plain web anyway. The darknets are full of useless crap. Mostly.

If you want to keep something secret do it in person, or if you are accessing information you should not, use a live CD and a throw away from someone else's access point.

Don't leave trails or information like usernames, passwords, details, that can be traced back to you in your communications. It's pretty straightfoward shit. It would be extremely dumb of me to use "runlvlzero" as an account name on a website that would get me in trouble. Or as a "hackername" if i happend to allegedly deface a health care website. Or whatever.

Ironicly this is mostly useless to the gov... they can see people use tor, and see what places they visit, and sometimes find out what they did there, but most of it is such bullshit that its not worth sending anyone do do anything about it. It's much more useful for blackmail or foreign espionage. You and your crazy fetishes are not interesting to the NSA or whoever they report to. You don't have to worry unlesss your a businessman within the ranks of google or microsoft or your a banker or politician, religious leader, or whatever.

There's plenty of news about reporters who are being hammered by both the US and UK for outing the level of spying being done. People working with Snowden being held for treason etc...

Just rest assured that your private instant msging is not so private =)

Relevant gif:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-IeICW7JiR-g/TY5c0wr25OI/AAAAAAAAB4o/-061WPPmVlE/s1600/eCkyv.jpg

P.S. Snowden was leaking information to criminal syndicates long before he decided to go public with what he did.

Treat doing business on the internet like dong business in a crowded, but noisy, yet lawless bazaar, full of street rats, disreputable merchants, thugs, and organized crime.

[runlvlzero]

Going to create this in a new post because its a wonderfully relevant comment from an Original character of slashdot. This guy is wise beyond yoda.


It's not that simple ... (Score:5, Insightful)
by Taco Cowboy (5327) on Sunday November 10, 2013 @09:01PM (#45387839) Journal

And if you just enjoy playing god, well, go into the City, or start up your own business. If you're that good, then you can perform in plain sight, can't you?

Speaking from experience here ... it's not that simple

I started to plan for my escape from China way back in the late 1960's because of the social madness created by Mao back then.

Thongs of mindless assholes with red armband parading on the street, waving that little red book and plunged the Chinese society into total darkness.

Those of us with brains knew that the things coming from Mao were bullshit, but those without brains who embraced Mao's bullshit outnumbered us 1000 to 1.

So we ran, and ran, and finally I got to Hongkong.

From Hongkong I ended up in the United States, and at that time, the U. S. of A. was a paradise, a place where brainy people get to do whatever they want to do without having fear of official repression.

Some 40 odd years have passed, and the United States is turning into just like Mao's China ...

Everything coming from Washington D.C. is pure bullshit, and the things I have noticed right now is that the mindless fucktards who bought into Washington D.C.'s bullshit are outnumbering those who know better.

While the society in the United States of American haven't plunged into darkness yet, there is no certainty that it won't.

When the controlling regime got desperate ~ (Mao's reign at that time was in danger of collapsing from within, motivating Mao in his encouragements to the mindless assholes with red armbands creating social havoc), ~ they will do anything to remain in charge.

And if (and when) the regime which is reigning over Washington D.C. (democrats _ and_ republicans) is in danger of collapsing, there is NO TELLING what they would do.

To make the matter worse ... they have a lot of very powerful tools Mao couldn't even begin to dream of 50 years ago.

I am an American now, and I am looking at my adopted country, the United States of America, with the same dismay as Mao's China, back in the 1960's.


Notice the UID in the 5000 range there.

In brief, right now all this is about MONEY $$. But believe me the powerbase and infrastructure is in for thing to get much worse.

[Rellapse35]

but they will still have logs that you visited XYZ vpn. And may even have some data from the end point.

Didn't I cover that in my post? Yes there are offshore VPN's that are not legally bound by America to save logs. USe those Vpn's

How I personally stay Anon if I am doing something illegal.

Drive around my city look for a WEP encrypted network. They take 10-15 mins to crack.

Load up VM, load up VPN, load up a bot use the socks5 proxy > purchase drugs

[Noselacri]

I looked around on the Deep Web and Hidden Wiki once but almost every link was dead. I didn't click on any pedo links, but the other porn seemed no different from what you'll find on the surface. There was a lot of huge databases of music and movies and shit, but everything was so insanely slow that I wouldn't want to download anything from there, let alone gigs worth of stuff you can just torrent. Loading a simple page often took like 20+ seconds. The Tor browser basically connects you through like a dozen proxies or something, so it takes fucking ages to get around.

The drugs stuff looked legit and the Silk Road definitely seemed to be a thing, but I wouldn't trust that shit in the slightest. You're basically sending money to a complete stranger and hoping he'll deliver the goods, knowing that you can do nothing about it if he doesn't. Even if you make sure to buy from people with positive reviews or whatever, I've heard that sellers often conduct legit business just long enough to get a big order and then pocket the money and start over with a new name. Obviously it's illegal as hell, too -- I think you can get charged with drug trafficking if you order drugs from someone in another country who then mails it to you, so we're not just talking possession here.

Aside from drugs, the market had shit like services for Facebook likes, page hits, DDoS a site for x days, password lists for all sorts of crap like "model" sites and all manner of premium services like megavideo etc. Also loads and loads of used and/or stolen shit, bootleg DVDs, everything like that. The Deep Web also has a shitload of forums and image boards for kids who think they're edgy, but the ones I looked at were all pretty deserted and had nothing remotely interesting on them. They're called shit like the Onion 4chan, Ukranian Nationalist Youth Front, Satanic Poetry Club and other such retardation.

You don't need government software to access it. Actually you can access it directly through your regular browser without changing anything at all, but that's a pretty bad idea if you want to be safe. Most people use the Tor browser which, when configured correctly, gives as close to complete anonymity as you can get online -- which is to say that you can never be 100% safe as you always leave a digital trail, but it can be obscure enough that nobody is realistically going to find you unless you do something that starts a huge Interpol investigation or some shit.

The tricky part is actually finding the websites because they have URLs like dsf8a2dsf7a8sdoqxf5a.onion.to and you can't just google that shit, the thing that makes it the "deep web" is basically that it doesn't show up on search engines so you need to be told the address. I imagine these get shared on questionable boards and such, and there's a ton on the hidden wiki which is like the deep web's entry portal, but most of those links are dead and I imagine the more shady stuff isn't on there anyway. They don't advertise child prostitutes at the door, most of the stuff a newbie can find is pretty benign and would at worst get you on some kind of ISP warning list if you tried really hard.

The Deep Web isn't like a different internet, it's just a bunch of websites and databases that don't show up on any search engine and have obscure URLs that nobody would ever think to try without being told about them, so all sorts of shit goes on there. It's legal and pretty safe to browse superficially, but don't try to scratch the surface if you're worried about your ISP, and definitely don't use the facilities unless you know what you're doing. If you just want to have a peek at the Hidden Wiki, you could probably just straight up do it from Firefox or whatever. You can find a link if you google a bit, the wiki is basically the deep web's tourist front. It's mostly just long lists of categorized links to .onion sites and 75% of them are dead or no worse than 4chan level stuff. There are definitely links to supposed child porn sites right there in the open, but I didn't feel compelled to try my luck with those and I doubt they're legit anyway.

https://kpvz7ki2v5agwt35.onion.to/wiki/index.php/Main_Page -- simply visiting the wiki is perfectly safe and legal, you don't need to use the Tor browser or anything, just don't go digging without taking precautions. You can get an idea of what's there by just scrolling down the main page a bit.

[Swish]

Sounds like a breeding ground for cunts that like to install trojans on your laptop ^

[runlvlzero]

Didn't I cover that in my post? Yes there are offshore VPN's that are not legally bound by America to save logs. USe those Vpn's

How I personally stay Anon if I am doing something illegal.

Drive around my city look for a WEP encrypted network. They take 10-15 mins to crack.

Load up VM, load up VPN, load up a bot use the socks5 proxy > purchase drugs

These idiots don't know that. I'm verbose. Lol

*** Swish, use a crap laptop with a live CD so you don't have to worry about it. Anyway TLDR... I can't word it simple enough. Linux Live CD's are legitimately benign from trojans. OpenVPN works just fine. Use good firewalls. And don't access something over and over from one location. Too be honest what do you really need to browse that anonymously anyway? If you knew you wouldn't be asking this question. hehe. SIPRNET docs would be getting handed to you in person on a thumb drive.

I agree the deep web as explained by the article is just what you explained Orror, you have a good way with explaining it.. Any good stuff is going to be on Darknets which are invite only, you need friends in real life to tell you how to access them. The flaw in darknets is they can be infiltrated by spies just like regular institutions. However again, if you access the web through some other access point, use some hardware you aren't afraid to destroy. No one is going to find you.

If you used freenet, did you node yourself with people who gave you keys? Or did you node yourself publicly... people with good caches and deeper networks have more stuff. Freenet sucks anyway for shit like multimedia. Just use TPB from a good tunnel. No one is going to care that much about it yet. The people that are getting taken down left and right are the hosts of those .onions and other repositories, which are usually overseas and easier targets.

I searched for good documentation on conspiracies on freenet and found nothing of real value. I was just connected with low security and didn't see anything really interesting beyond your generic bullshit and porn. I did see some good articles on how to be more anonymous though. And some links to software but that could have been a honeypot.

[Rellapse35]

offtopic but this is a fun toy

http://hakshop.myshopify.com/products/wifi-pineapple