"Porting for donations"...a little selfish?

[indiscriminate_hater]

hey i know we should have a vendor selling medallions for ports

[Jingleson]

hey i know we should have a vendor selling medallions for ports

Or maybe certain Druids/Wizards shouldn't be trying to rip off others out of their hard earned money and cheat the economy.

[Gadwen]

hey i know we should have a vendor selling medallions for ports

Or they could put some objects in, like a book on a pedestal, you would click on this and it would take you to a special zone where you could teleport to all the other books in the world.

[indiscriminate_hater]

wtb autistic forum quester who levels a wizard and ports people around for free just to spite other porters

[Spitty]

You spelled "artistic" wrong, because that is clearly performance art at its very best.

[Gadwen]

Or maybe certain Druids/Wizards shouldn't be trying to rip off others out of their hard earned money and cheat the economy.

Honestly man, if I was offering ports and a new player sent me a tell saying he was broke but wanted a port I would have no problem giving him a lift for no charge...I'm pretty sure most other porters would do the same.

Now if you are wearing 200k worth of gear, I'm not asking for a donation...I'm selling you a port for 100pp. If I am porting at all I will advertise that I am selling ports, I even have the server first on the wiki for that one. But see, we all know that "Porting for donations" is the EQ PC way of saying "Selling ports". If you are poor ask for a free port, if they decline you are free to start another thread. I would stick to just name and shaming in RnF...you'll still probably get trolled pretty hard for it though.

[indiscriminate_hater]

You spelled "artistic" wrong, because that is clearly performance art at its very best.

ha. at least it would benefit the community

[Autotune]

Gonna have to disagree with you here. At 55 unless I'm in Seb or soloing some sweet cash camp I'm not making 500p screwing around. In addition, you are highly unlikely to keep your plat donating 100p a port or more.

Your mileage may vary but for most people in xp camps it's not going to be the case.

<-- donates between 35p and 50p per port.

In the higher level zones/dungeons around max level, most people can waste time taking out easy mobs that often drop high plat vendor items (gems/weapons/jewelry/etc). Selling a few of those or using them to pay for ports is what I generally did.

100p per port never broke me and I've paid much more for ports than that before (in items and plat).

There are plenty of people who went out and did that, kill a few mobs to earn the plat to pay the proper amount for a port. Doing this means that porter will remember you and will be more likely to port you again (go out of their way to do it).

I've had porters drop their group, port to my zone, come to me, group me, port me, then go back to their group and continue playing. Not once did I ever feel like 100p port was difficult to come by when I hit 60.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

In the higher level zones/dungeons around max level, most people can waste time taking out easy mobs that often drop high plat vendor items (gems/weapons/jewelry/etc). Selling a few of those or using them to pay for ports is what I generally did.

100p per port never broke me and I've paid much more for ports than that before (in items and plat).

There are plenty of people who went out and did that, kill a few mobs to earn the plat to pay the proper amount for a port. Doing this means that porter will remember you and will be more likely to port you again (go out of their way to do it).

I've had porters drop their group, port to my zone, come to me, group me, port me, then go back to their group and continue playing. Not once did I ever feel like 100p port was difficult to come by when I hit 60.

Fair enough - it's been a long time since I've had a maxed character. At 55 I'm starting to have a much easier time but I still don't think 100p/port is or should be he norm.

Opinions opinions opinions.

[Kekoa]

What the fuck are you even talking about? Did you not understand what I said?

All I was saying was people need to learn fucking English.

I don't mind people charging a fee for doing ports, but calling it a donation isn't correct.

You don't sound like a happy tree. :(

Ahahahaha

[Cyph]

I never ask for pp but still always thank the person when they tip. CRs and lowbies I don't expect anything from but I've had level 50s+ ask me for a port then run off. If the port is out of my way (i.e. some effort is involved or I'm not actively porting at that time), then yeah, I expect something in return.

[Baron]

I never ask for pp but still always thank the person when they tip. CRs and lowbies I don't expect anything from but I've had level 50s+ ask me for a port then run off. If the port is out of my way (i.e. some effort is involved or I'm not actively porting at that time), then yeah, I expect something in return.

This

[nivikk]

I don't log on to port people, I have my own agenda with things to accomplish. Porting takes away from that, and a very significant amount of time. I have made a no port list to include people that have asked me to go a good ways out of my way to port them and I get nothing in return? Why??

If druids and wizards want to ask or require money for ports, good for them. They are spending their time doing what they want and being productive on their part, so the people wanting these ports can increase their own productive time in game. If this is a semantics rant, "accepting donations" vs "porting for plat", move on, who cares

to the OP, "technically a free service"? maybe to you

[Dirtnap]

I think the issue here is not paying for ports, but being honest in your intentions.

Let people know you require X amount of PP per port, otherwise don't whine when they don't pay you what you think you're worth.

EDIT: Also, be clear about shit. If you charge twinks based on their gear, let them know. If you charge people based on their level, let them know.

Calling it a donation when you clearly have a price attached is just retarded.

[Droog007]

Calling it a donation when you clearly have a price attached is just retarded.

Justifying being a cheap-ass bastard because you don't like the way they advertise a SERVICE TO YOU = equally, if not more retarded.

[Jubil]

This is why I never have said I am porting for donations. I am providing a service and using my personal time to do so, with a clear goal in mind: increasing my weight in platinum.

Therefore, I will /ooc "Porting for PLAT..." not, "Porting for donations..."

Whether someone is doing it for donations, or doing it as a clear service, they are using their personal time to decrease your travel time significantly. Perhaps they just don't have the courage or audacity to tell it like it is, they want your money or items for giving you fast travel at the expense of their own personal time.

[nivikk]

My perspective on porting.

I port when it doesn't inconvenience me greatly.
I port when I want to make money.
I port when I'm not busy.
I will help you out when I can.
I have never asked for anything, but I do expect common courtesy.
On my alts who do not port, I VERY often run anything less than 20 minutes, that's just me.
Common courtesy:
1) Be nice
2) Understand that time is being spent to help the portee out, and subtracted from the porter
3) Donate unless you are on a CR or can't afford it and make the non-donation known before the port. "need a port for CR"
4) Help the porter help you. RUN TO A RING/SPIRE. Don't ask someone to come pick you up in a zone without a port location and then tip 15 plat. Preferably be at the ring/spire when you ask. Make it quick and painless.

If common courtesies can't be met, just run.

It's a pretty rare thing that I'll change a bind point to accommodate a random port request, so don't get mad if a druid/wiz is running through BFE and doesn't want to port you and spend 15 minutes re-running through kunark from DL.

I do not take money from friends, guildmates, and most acquaintances for ports.
I do not take ~5 plat donations from low levels

I do not port when in groups or exp'ing unless ready to stop. (some people have gotten upset that I wouldn't drop to take them)
I do not port from EC to LS, seriously, 5 minutes with no sow.

Wizards and druids who arent anon or RP are flooded with port tells constantly. It is tiring at times and just understand that. Other times I and we are happy to *help* you.

[Ravager]

This whole thread is surely a troll. A level 29 druid spends on average 5-10 minutes of his leisure gaming time medding, waiting, or running to port your lazy ass so that you don't have to spend 10-30 minutes of your leisure gaming time getting from point A to point B. Don't be a jackass and get pissed off if he asks something for his time.

[Kylenorr]

If you want to be able to port everywhere for free... play live?

[Autotune]

This is why I never have said I am porting for donations. I am providing a service and using my personal time to do so, with a clear goal in mind: increasing my weight in platinum.

Therefore, I will /ooc "Porting for PLAT..." not, "Porting for donations..."

Whether someone is doing it for donations, or doing it as a clear service, they are using their personal time to decrease your travel time significantly. Perhaps they just don't have the courage or audacity to tell it like it is, they want your money or items for giving you fast travel at the expense of their own personal time.

You wanna know why people say donations instead of plat...


It's simple.

When you say donations, you have a chance to get people like me who will pay 150-500+ plat (or item that's worth that much or 3x as much) for a single port.

Where as, if you put a low amount, people are inclined to only pay that, or if you put a high amount, you don't get many takers.

Basically, saying you port for a donation = more $$$

The donation system works best, mainly because you earn more from the people who can spare it (the high levels) and the people who can't end up still able to grab ports (the low levels). You alienate less people.

Sadly, high level jewbags like to take advantage of the system because they don't want to come off a few extra PPs

[mgellan]

I basically tip >1pp per level, depending on the toon I'm playing (obv my higher level toons generally have more plat on hand) - what really pissed me off the other day was someone saying "/ooc Porting for donations" then when I politely asked for a port to NK, the b*tch said "Busy but i'll do it for a donation..." Well, wtf? Ok, maybe because I was polite she thought I wanted a freebee. So I say "Will donate..." Then I sit waiting for the port til she says "Donation?" WTF? In advance? I gave her my 25 plat (on a level 14 toon) and off we went, but I certainly won't give her the time of day in future - what an attitude. Way to get a shit rep.

Thanks for letting me vent :)

Regards,
Mg

[fishingme]

It doesn't matter if it's a set price or not, the fact that you're forced to pay ANYTHING to receive the port is bogus.

You're asking for a service and shit ain't free.

[Darkpretzel]

Lets try to get to 30 pages on this shit.

[Andervin]

http://cdn.buzznet.com/assets/users15/liat/default/donate-noow--large-msg-117642794814.jpg

[Kender]

http://cdn.buzznet.com/assets/users15/liat/default/donate-noow--large-msg-117642794814.jpg

that gun only has 6 bullets leaving the cat with 3 more lives. pull the trigger

[Andervin]

http://cdn.themetapicture.com/media/funny-cat-9-lives-heaven.jpg

[jarshale]

28 fucking pages over one guy who has been here a month not wanting to pay for ports?

[Jingleson]

28 fucking pages over one guy who has been here a month not wanting to pay for ports?

I'm just as surprised as you are. I guess people don't like that I'm jewish.

[Darkpretzel]

major anti-semantics in this thread

[Jorgam]

Jingleson the millenial moocher, on ignore since Nov '13

Vote for Obama again. You cheap prick.

Lol pwned!

[Dirtnap]

Justifying being a cheap-ass bastard because you don't like the way they advertise a SERVICE TO YOU = equally, if not more retarded.

When I'm looking for ports I send people tells, and they always have the option to either ignore me or tell me no. They also have the option of telling me how much its gonna cost before they pick me up from wherever.

If you come all the way out to port me, and you think my 10pp wasn't worth it. Why didn't you take the initiative to tell me how much you think you're worth?

[Autotune]

When I'm looking for ports I send people tells, and they always have the option to either ignore me or tell me no. They also have the option of telling me how much its gonna cost before they pick me up from wherever.

If you come all the way out to port me, and you think my 10pp wasn't worth it. Why didn't you take the initiative to tell me how much you think you're worth?

I'd show up, see your 10p, laugh, and then port away in your face.

[Darkpretzel]

Dude if you are asking for a pick up you had better be offering more than 10pp

[Dirtnap]

I'd show up, see your 10p, laugh, and then port away in your face.

I'm sure as hell glad you wasted your time to come all the way out. Should have been smart and told me you wanted 100pp up front.

EDIT: This thread screams: "I'm entitled to as much pp as I want." and you are. But you can't expect everyone to be generous if you yourself are being greedy. Greed does not equal Generosity.

[Jingleson]

Dude if you are asking for a pick up you had better be offering more than 10pp

If the porter doesn't like what he/she is being offered, it is THEIR JOB to specify an amount they would be content with BEFORE agreeing and showing up, not the customers job to cough up more because daddy isn't happy with pocket change.

Are you really that much of a selfish prick?

[Autotune]

I'm sure as hell glad you wasted your time to come all the way out. Should have been smart and told me you wanted 100pp up front.

I would personally not want to waste any more time on you for 10 plat, I'm pretty sure most others would be the same (unless they ported your jewass out of the goodness of their elfheart).

[Darkpretzel]

I'll bet you tip pocket change at restaurants.

[Jingleson]

I'll bet you tip pocket change at restaurants.

I don't eat at restaurants, I prefer to cook my own meals. And I wouldn't tip anyway because they get paid a salary. Not worth the consideration.

[Autotune]

If the porter doesn't like what he/she is being offered, it is THEIR JOB to specify an amount they would be content with BEFORE agreeing and showing up, not the customers job to cough up more because daddy isn't happy with pocket change.

Are you really that much of a selfish prick?

It's no one's job, it's a game, and they can do whatever the hell they want.

Porters can do whatever they want, whenever they want. If you want someone to port you, you should probably properly incentivize them.

[Darkpretzel]

Lol i hope you like the taste of spit

[Dirtnap]

It's no one's job, it's a game, and they can do whatever the hell they want.

Porters can do whatever they want, whenever they want. If you want someone to port you, you should probably properly incentivize them.

Exactly, Porters can do whatever they want. Apparently they can also get away with being the greediest bastards on this server, because look at everyone just puckering up and kissing porter ass.

Anyone else who wants to be greedy is a dick. But a greedy porter is the nicest guy ever, and should be praised for his greed.

[Darkpretzel]

Also wait staff at restaurants get paid shitty hourly wages for taking care of your dumb ass, most likely minimum wage, not a salary.

[Jingleson]

It's no one's job, it's a game, and they can do whatever the hell they want.

Porters can do whatever they want, whenever they want. If you want someone to port you, you should probably properly incentivize them.

And if porters don't like the size of their paycheck, they should be willing to politely ask for more, or setting a threshold beforehand, instead of throwing a tantrum on the field.

[Jingleson]

Also wait staff at restaurants get paid shitty hourly wages for taking care of your dumb ass, most likely minimum wage, not a salary.

I used the word loosely. The fact is, they get paid. So why do they deserve consideration for gratuity?

[Darkpretzel]

I'm willing to politely port you to tox and leave you there.

[Darkpretzel]

I used the word loosely. The fact is, they get paid. So why do they deserve consideration for gratuity?

Because they have to deal with shit heads like you while smiling.

[Droog007]

I used the word loosely.

Hypocrisy defined... jesus what a tool.

[Autotune]

Exactly, Porters can do whatever they want. Apparently they can also get away with being the greediest bastards on this server, because look at everyone just puckering up and kissing porter ass.

Anyone else who wants to be greedy is a dick. But a greedy porter is the nicest guy ever, and should be praised for his greed.

So greedy they stop what they are doing to help you with your playtime, instead of you spending an hour running across the world to get to that group you only spend 10mins. That plat is used for a service, you are buying time with it. If you don't think your time is worth the higher amounts of plat, what makes you think someone else is going to think it's worth it?

There is a reason I paid high amounts and their is a reason it was always easy as fuck to get a porter.

[Jingleson]

Because they have to deal with shit heads like you while smiling.

It's called doing your fucking job. You don't deserve a tip for doing what you're being paid to fucking do in the first place.

[Darkpretzel]

like i said i hope you enjoy the flavor of spit

[Autotune]

It's called doing your fucking job. You don't deserve a tip for doing what you're being paid to fucking do in the first place.

Yeah, people don't deserve bonuses for doing well at their jobs either. You already get fucking paid to do it, no reason to give people an incentive to do better.

[Tehwoot]

Why doesnt Obama Care cover in game port donations?

[Dirtnap]

So greedy they stop what they are doing to help you with your playtime, instead of you spending an hour running across the world to get to that group you only spend 10mins. That plat is used for a service, you are buying time with it. If you don't think your time is worth the higher amounts of plat, what makes you think someone else is going to think it's worth it?

There is a reason I paid high amounts and their is a reason it was always easy as fuck to get a porter.

I'm always on the look out for nice people, who will go out of their way to do something nice for someone. Its rare as fuck on this server, and amazingly enough some porters are generous with their time.

I am more than happy to compensate someone for their time, but if you ask me for a donation you get what I feel is worth it. If you tell me up front you want X amount of pp, then I will either pay it or find someone who will do it cheaper.

Thats how business works... No?

[Jingleson]

Yeah, people don't deserve bonuses for doing well at their jobs either. You already get fucking paid to do it, no reason to give people an incentive to do better.

That's at the discretion of your employer, not the public. Should I tip a valet because he brought my car to me? No, because it's his fucking job and he already gets paid by his employer to do it.

[Autotune]

That's at the discretion of your employer, not the public. Should I tip a valet because he brought my car to me? No, because it's his fucking job and he already gets paid by his employer to do it.

I'm not going to tell you why you should tip a valet or not, because it's your pos ride, not mine.

[Darkpretzel]

actually its standard to tip valets too, i wouldnt expect you to know that though

[Jingleson]

actually its standard to tip valets too, i wouldnt expect you to know that though

Is it standard to tip bartenders too? Or hotel maids? Or cocktail waitresses? Or food delivery guys? Because I don't. Why? Because it's their fucking job to do that and they get paid an hourly wage to do it. If they don't like it, they can quit.

[odiecat99]

How is this selfish? go level your own porter bro.

You like being harassed by random people 'can u port me plz' all day and night and not get a damn thing?
Yeah, sorry, my time isn't free.

[Darkpretzel]

lol then expect cold delivery food, weak drinks, and a dirty hotel room.

[odiecat99]

Is it standard to tip bartenders too? Or hotel maids? Or cocktail waitresses? Or food delivery guys? Because I don't. Why? Because it's their fucking job to do that and they get paid an hourly wage to do it. If they don't like it, they can quit.

Speaking of selfish assholes

[Autotune]

actually its standard to tip valets too, i wouldnt expect you to know that though

the guy is an idiot and he either does't do repeat business anywhere that tipping is customary or he generally has bad experiences at these places and doesn't understand why.

I'm going to go ahead and tell him, seeing how he didn't gather it from my earlier posts.

You tip, not because you have to or because it's required, you tip for good service and so people are have an incentive to treat you better. If you visit an establishment and the waiter/waitress is on point all night long and your service couldn't have possibly been better, you tip so that he/she remembers you and you are more likely to receive that treatment again. Same with any other place where tipping is customary. Works the same way with porters in EQ, tip them well for doing a good job and you'll see that you never have to worry about a port again (I've gotten plenty of CR ports for free from porters I've tipped before and they've dropped groups to do it and then went back to what they were doing).

some of you guys are just idiots and don't know how to invest in your own time.

[odiecat99]

the guy is an idiot and he either does't do repeat business anywhere that tipping is customary or he generally has bad experiences at these places and doesn't understand why.

I'm going to go ahead and tell him, seeing how he didn't gather it from my earlier posts.

You tip, not because you have to or because it's required, you tip for good service and so people are have an incentive to treat you better. If you visit an establishment and the waiter/waitress is on point all night long and your service couldn't have possibly been better, you tip so that he/she remembers you and you are more likely to receive that treatment again. Same with any other place where tipping is customary. Works the same way with porters in EQ, tip them well for doing a good job and you'll see that you never have to worry about a port again (I've gotten plenty of CR ports for free from porters I've tipped before and they've dropped groups to do it and then went back to what they were doing).

some of you guys are just idiots and don't know how to invest in your own time.

truth

[Darkpretzel]

the guy is an idiot and he either does't do repeat business anywhere that tipping is customary or he generally has bad experiences at these places and doesn't understand why.

I'm going to go ahead and tell him, seeing how he didn't gather it from my earlier posts.

You tip, not because you have to or because it's required, you tip for good service and so people are have an incentive to treat you better. If you visit an establishment and the waiter/waitress is on point all night long and your service couldn't have possibly been better, you tip so that he/she remembers you and you are more likely to receive that treatment again. Same with any other place where tipping is customary. Works the same way with porters in EQ, tip them well for doing a good job and you'll see that you never have to worry about a port again (I've gotten plenty of CR ports for free from porters I've tipped before and they've dropped groups to do it and then went back to what they were doing).

some of you guys are just idiots and don't know how to invest in your own time.

/thread

[Ennewi]

Is it standard to tip bartenders too? Or hotel maids? Or cocktail waitresses? Or food delivery guys? Because I don't. Why? Because it's their fucking job to do that and they get paid an hourly wage to do it. If they don't like it, they can quit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enJwYaeolXc

[Jingleson]

the guy is an idiot and he either does't do repeat business anywhere that tipping is customary or he generally has bad experiences at these places and doesn't understand why.

I'm going to go ahead and tell him, seeing how he didn't gather it from my earlier posts.

You tip, not because you have to or because it's required, you tip for good service and so people are have an incentive to treat you better. If you visit an establishment and the waiter/waitress is on point all night long and your service couldn't have possibly been better, you tip so that he/she remembers you and you are more likely to receive that treatment again. Same with any other place where tipping is customary. Works the same way with porters in EQ, tip them well for doing a good job and you'll see that you never have to worry about a port again (I've gotten plenty of CR ports for free from porters I've tipped before and they've dropped groups to do it and then went back to what they were doing).

some of you guys are just idiots and don't know how to invest in your own time.

If people don't do their job, I report them to management. It's as simple as that. Do your job or I'll get you fired.

[Orruar]

Is it standard to tip bartenders too? Or hotel maids? Or cocktail waitresses? Or food delivery guys? Because I don't. Why? Because it's their fucking job to do that and they get paid an hourly wage to do it. If they don't like it, they can quit.

If everyone thought like you, then employers would have to raise hourly wages to retain workers, and the products would be more expensive to cover the lost revenue. Essentially you are just being subsidized by the non-dickheads of the world. So good job on that.

[Autotune]

If people don't do their job, I report them to management. It's as simple as that. Do your job or I'll get you fired.

They won't get fired, you just end up looking like an asshole.

Let me tell you what happens. You report them to management, management "scolds" the employee and "punishes" them. You feel like a big guy with a big peepee. After you're gone, they all laugh at you and write down that you're a huge douche. You visit again and get subpar experience.

[Alorae]

Almost 60 of this kid's 100 posts are him raging in this thread over 50p. Off to a good start.

[Weekapaug]

Not selfish at all. Nobody owes anyone anything in this game, especially their time, when they aren't grouped together.

If you don't want to pay what someone is charging for a port, a rez, or whatever, get it from someone else. Or walk your happy ass there. Ports aren't required, they are a luxury.

[Jingleson]

They won't get fired, you just end up looking like an asshole.

Let me tell you what happens. You report them to management, management "scolds" the employee and "punishes" them. You feel like a big guy with a big peepee. After you're gone, they all laugh at you and write down that you're a huge douche. You visit again and get subpar experience.

And I report them again for treating me with less respect and substandard service than everyone else. And then they get fired. They can laugh at me all they want, I did the right thing.

[Yanomamo]

I thought this thread was over when we all agreed Jingleson is simply trolling.

[SCB]

If people don't do their job, I report them to management. It's as simple as that. Do your job or I'll get you fired.

Having actually worked in one of these establishments - management at even the most chain-style shitty restaurant won't fire an employee over that.

Good luck with your non-tipping, Dwight.

[Autotune]

And I report them again for treating me with less respect and substandard service than everyone else. And then they get fired. They can laugh at me all they want, I did the right thing.

Oh, you report them to who? Management in places like that don't give a shit about small fries like you.

[Jingleson]

Oh, you report them to who? Management in places like that don't give a shit about small fries like you.

Actually, I'm a pretty high roller in at least four casinos in Vegas. I think they'll take into consideration if I say one of their bartenders is stiffing me.

[Autotune]

I thought this thread was over when we all agreed Jingleson is simply trolling.

Just because someone is really stupid doesn't mean they are trolling. This guy is just really dumb.

[odiecat99]

Just because someone is really stupid doesn't mean they are trolling. This guy is just really dumb.

[Darkpretzel]

Watch out guys Jingleson is a high roller

[twizztid]

I do /ooc porting for donation... donation. Its a small fee for taking time out of my day to make your day more convenient. I never ask for a lot, of course some people are more generous than others. I also always do CR's free, and port noobs for like, a skin or some meat, something for trades, that way they feel they've payed.

[Jingleson]

Just because someone is really stupid doesn't mean they are trolling. This guy is just really dumb.

So why is everyone continuing to respond to this then, if it's so asinine and not worth your time? You guys are the ones spurring this shit on.

[justin2090]

I do /ooc porting for donation... donation. Its a small fee for taking time out of my day to make your day more convenient. I never ask for a lot, of course some people are more generous than others. I also always do CR's free, and port noobs for like, a skin or some meat, something for trades, that way they feel they've payed.

Ports for skin eh? I like it.

[Kylenorr]

Reading Jingleson's treatment of people employed in service fields makes me sad. Just wanted to say that. Some people are sad.

[Jingleson]

Reading Jingleson's treatment of people employed in service fields makes me sad. Just wanted to say that. Some people are sad.

You do know I'm a member of your guild, Supremacy, right? You can't talk shit about guildies.

[Darkpretzel]

who wouldn't want to guild with a classy guy like you?

[Kekoa]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enJwYaeolXc

2:57

Ho...ly...crap...

It's Cal Lightman!!!

[Telin]

I can't believe this thread is still going lol

[Berell]

Now I realize it's common courtesy to tip someone for buffs, revives, and ports. I always tip when I ask for any of these services (what I can afford, anyway), but the point is that it's technically a free service from most people and clients don't HAVE to tip if they don't want to. It's extremely petty and tacky, but they don't have to.

But I've run into a few people now that say things like "Porting for donations, at least 25pp" or "Will buff for tips." which gives the impression that they won't port you or buff you unless you give them a donation, turning a complimentary service into a paid one. I've even seen a few cases where newbies have been turned down for buffs or ports after asking politely for one, and I get the feeling it was because the people they were asking knew that they were broke and likely wouldn't have money for a donation.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for tipping someone who spends their time and mana to help you out, I always tip when I can, but when did donations turn into a MANDATORY thing? When did people start acting like "no donation? no port."?

I can't really believe I read this entire thread. Boredom because the server is down, but I have to say that I was happy to see that someone posted in the middle somewhere what guild the OP is in. So glad it's not ours.

OP states "Now I realize it's common courtesy to tip someone..." and that if they don't "It's extremely petty and tacky ...". Later he says that if someone asks for this "common courtesy" that he will give them 1cp. So what does this make him, in his own words?

Tipping 1cp for any port is like saying, "Your service was terrible". Same as leaving a penny on the table for the waitress after eating at a restaurant. I actually did that once. The waitress let us wait forever and finally curtly took our order. In just a couple minutes, she came back and told us she was taking a break and if we needed anything to ask Waitress B. Waitress B came to introduce herself, was friendly, delivered our food promptly, asked if we needed anything else and checked back a few times to make sure everything was ok and we didn't need anything else. When we were done eating, Waitress A finally came with our bill, still not the least bit friendly. So yes, when we left, I put a penny on the table and stopped Waitress B on the way out and handed her a nice tip. Then Waitress A chased us into the parking lot, beating on the car window, ending with cussing at us as we drove away. Oh well.

Anyway, sorry, back to porting. I, for one, have never even so much as mentioned payment when offering ports in /ooc. But this is my choice of how I spend my time in Norrath, if I am not porting atm, I'll politely tell you so too. With that said, ports are not exactly "technically a free service from most people" as the OP stated. I admit that seeing people /ooc "Ports 100p" does seem a bit extreme, but it's their time and basically their choice. To each his own.
***Refusing the 5p donation from the level 7 in a cloth robe and accepting the 50p from the level 1 who is obviously a twink.
***Taking the guy on the CR to BB when he was left behind as 3 other people who were offering payment for a port to the SAME DAMNED ZONE found ports. (I could make an entire thread/rant on this one myself.)
***Wishing the level 50+ Safe Travels after the 10p donation with no explanation after doing a port + evac.
Again, all personal choice. Do I get irritated with people at times? Occasionally, but generally I choose to keep it to myself, it's just not worth it.

Sorry for such a long post, but that's part of my 2cp worth. And to the OP, Safe Travels and Good Hunting ... But that still doesn't mean you aren't being a jerk.

[JackFlash]

You do know I'm a member of your guild, Supremacy, right? You can't talk shit about guildies.

I lold

[heazels]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmixucQkxuk

[Kylenorr]

I lold

me too

[Jingleson]

me too

*shrug* Guess I'll be speaking to Capco and Barahir then.

[Darkpretzel]

uh oh, hes telling on you!

[JackFlash]

*shrug* Guess I'll be speaking to Capco and Barahir then.

I lol'd again.

This thread is way better than those Beaniron threads (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=119222)about how to play a toon you bought with RMT.

Alright, nob off you tosspot. Welcome to ignore.

And for those curious, my old name was Beaniron.

[mishurza]

wait wait... I'm not allowed to criticize people in my guild when they say something stupid? Where is this rule?

[Baron]

Since you're so sure of yourself and your opinion, and especially due to the fact that you're such a "high roller"; I guess you wouldn't mind telling us what your toon's names are in game then, so we know to leave our camps / groups just for the privilege of porting your lame ass.

And you just made our argument for us when you used the bartender analogy... who pays us exactly? Why is our service free exactly? And who's my boss in game again? I forget.

[Jingleson]

Since you're so sure of yourself and your opinion, and especially due to the fact that you're such a "high roller"; I guess you wouldn't mind telling us what your toon's names are in game then, so we know to leave our camps / groups just for the privilege of porting your lame ass.

And you just made our argument for us when you used the bartender analogy... who pays us exactly? Why is our service free exactly? And who's my boss in game again? I forget.

Nobody pays you and your service is free because it's a civil service job. You're not entitled to profit from it. Read the Uncle Sam law.

My toon is Jingleson <Supremacy> 18 Ranger

[Darkpretzel]

Jingleson likes riding boats

[Baron]

Nobody pays you and your service is free because it's a civil service job. You're not entitled to profit from it. Read the Uncle Sam law.

My toon is Jingleson <Supremacy> 18 Ranger

A civil service JOB is one in which a person is PAID to work for their community.... A JOB is one you're PAID for. Now put on your big boy pants and go back to school.

Anyways, thanks for telling me your in game name. Do me a favor and never send me a tell... just throw me on ignore because that's what I'll be doing to you.

Baronzz

[Darkpretzel]

lol winning hearts and minds

[NegaStoat]

You do know I'm a member of your guild, Supremacy, right? You can't talk shit about guildies.

This will be one of the funniest things I've read on these forums for the month, I think.

[heazels]

Honestly I would rather people port/rez for money and/or donations. I don't want everyone to be /roleplay. Capitalism - the more people doing something in a market drives the prices down.

[Neto]

There is always the boat! It even works and it's FREE!!!

If a druid is offering porting services, he/she is looking for platinum. If you require their time and mana and don't donate, you're even more "petty" than them asking for it in the first place.

Having said that (as a druid myself), CR's are always free and if you're a newbie just looking for a ride to other side of the world of course I'm willing to help you out as one player to another.

[kylok]

I can hardly believe someone would make this post, knowing that the outcome couldn't be good. I wouldn't be surprised if he requests a port to butcher block and ends up in tox by accident >.>

[fireblazewiz]

I arrived to play this morning, ran through the tunnels, took up position to offer ports. There is a druid there whose name I shall refrain from announcing. I generated my -- much shortened message -- to announce I'm offering ports. I don't ever mention money, most people are generous, which for me is nice. Some just say they are too poor. I don't push. Consider this though, I stand there for hours in that spot, sometimes without anyone coming along. Don't ask me why I do this -- we all enjoy different things. To me porting is part of the pleasure of playing.
Today, however, without warning, my tell window pops up and I find the aforementioned druid swearing at me! He asked me if I'm "****** for real". I wasn't even aware of this thread at that point. I asked him what his problem was and he logged.

Really, I'm astonished. Some people have too much time on their hands. Pay or don't pay. It's your choice -- that easy.

I often port folks for very little money and for free. Some tip me well. I do consider people who expect me to stand there for free whilst they level to be rude, though normally I would never say so. Some ports involve me hunting for bat wings to levitate people, they involve me running people through CT into Feerot. Sometimes I have to cross 3 zones to pickup a level one. When I'm busy with ports, I spend ages just looking at a loading screen. Some ports take 15-20 mins to sort out. Low level folks sometimes die, and I feel responsible and try to help. It's work!

Most folks really appreciate my efforts. Clearly some don't. Those who don't can take a hike as far as I'm concerned.

[Wudan]

Sadly, high level jewbags like to take advantage of the system because they don't want to come off a few extra PPs

Your fake generosity is probably there to mask the fact that you are a racist jerk. It is also funny how you try to act like you make your pp goofing off in random dungeons while everybody knows you make it by selling epic mqs and cockblocked raid loot. #Fuckingmoron

[Swish]

Curb inflation by making a port bot/plat sink at the EC tunnel for 100pp/port, allow the druids/wizards to undercut the bot.

Discuss...

[Clark]

I've even seen a few cases where newbies have been turned down for buffs or ports after asking politely for one, and I get the feeling it was because the people they were asking knew that they were broke and likely wouldn't have money for a donation.

Sounds like that clown Petros.

[Jingleson]

Sounds like that clown Petros.

My buddy Harrison is guilty of it.

[Autotune]

Your fake generosity is probably there to mask the fact that you are a racist jerk. It is also funny how you try to act like you make your pp goofing off in random dungeons while everybody knows you make it by selling epic mqs and cockblocked raid loot. #Fuckingmoron

See, I knew you were an idiot.

I sold one of the first Rogue epic MQs (the only epic MQ i've sold) and I've never asked for any of the raid loot to sell. Still was able to afford proper plat payments for ports.

You are just a cheapskate who doesn't think he should pay properly for time. Anyone who does ports often should come check this thread out and write down these losers and just ignore their cries for ports.

[Lojik]

I think jingleson plays a druid and is just trollin to see who the people who are worthwhile to port are.

[fadetree]

This thread is now Epic. Continue.

[Andervin]

http://www.overclockers.at/files/witness-this-epic-thread_125561.gif

[Barahir]

Yaaaaaaaay I get to post in a really long annoying thread. One nice thing about this thread is that most people seemed to say everything that needed to be said already. Props to those people.

You're attempting to get into a semantics debate over a word but missing the structure of the sentence. A donation is a gift, or contribution. It's some application of wealth to a person, cause or institution--wealth as measured by time, goods or money. In this case, it's money.

So the word "donation" itself could mean gift, which is voluntary. However, the statement clearly says "Porting FOR donation". That preposition means that the verb (Porting) will ONLY be done because of the noun (Donation). The entire structure of this statement is a phrase denoting that the porter's actions are a direct result of the donation (Or an implied donation when the service is rendered.)

Your semantic argument is focusing on just the word. Why? Did the porter come up to you and say "Donation" thirty times without any context? No? Then it's not implied that it's optional.

The only thing you could imply that's optional is the amount. Which is why the word "donation" is used, because the amount fluctuates depending on the means of the person taking advantage of the service. There are a lot of factors that can affect how much you should pay for a port (Traffic of the port area, level, money, on a CR ect)--requiring a "donation" simply makes it easier for the price to be appropriate depending on the person transported, rather than haggling for every pick up.

The fact is, donations have been used by institutions for 500+ years as a way to ask for payment on a service that can't be fixed due to a myriad number of reasons.

Excellent post that pretty much defeats the already pretty flimsy initial argument. Was more or less ignored by the OP because it so completely defeated them. Also I noticed this was a first post, excellent first post.

For reference, Jingleson plays a ranger... and should be allowed to feel slightly bitter. I understand the need to vent based on that.

Don't ranger hate or Chuck Norris will find you!!!

I don't eat at restaurants, I prefer to cook my own meals. And I wouldn't tip anyway because they get paid a salary. Not worth the consideration.

*shrug* Guess I'll be speaking to Capco and Barahir then.

You had been kicked from the guild many many pages before Kyle said something. that being said he let you off light. Since Relemis was remiss in that regard I'll make up for his shortfall.

If you do not tip at bars/restaurants then kill yourself because the world would be a better place without you.


Now since there is a lot of trolling in this thread that I had to respond to and I of course have to get my own trolling in....

OP is a painfully uncool/uninteresting person

Says the person in Belgium................

[Jingleson]

You had been kicked from the guild many many pages before Kyle said something.

Oh really, kicked for having a opinion that differs from the norm?

To quote Peter Griffin: "It's not about what color our skin is, but that we all practice the same religion."

[Silvantro]

ITT we learn Jingleson suffers from crippling autism and delusions of grandeur.

Shine on you crazy diamond.

[Barahir]

Oh really, kicked for having a opinion that differs from the norm?

To quote Peter Griffin: "It's not about what color our skin is, but that we all practice the same religion."

Your opinions are terrible, your conduct in this thread is terrible. You contradict yourself constantly, you call others selfish, but then clearly show how selfish you yourself actually are. You act like you are entitled to have your own opinion without people being able to tell you their opinion.

The first page or two was meh your opinion was self centered and generally small minded. The sort of thing that usually a little enlightenment can be used to address, however, the enlightenment was provided and you only went down hill from there.

Really at no point did you show anything that made you deserving of being a part of something that is bigger and better than you are as an individual.

If you are trolling meh whatever it's not that great of a troll for the amount of time you are putting into it.

If you aren't trolling then you really need to reassess yourself and a lot of your own beliefs. It's not that your opinions are different that draw flak it's that you comport yourself in a pretty shitty manner and then try to justify it and defend it as something that is beyond reproach.

It's not, what you are using to justify your opinions is flawed, which makes your opinions stupid and open to all sorts of ridicule.

[Andervin]

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/myopic

[Jingleson]

Your opinions are terrible, your conduct in this thread is terrible. You contradict yourself constantly, you call others selfish, but then clearly show how selfish you yourself actually are. You act like you are entitled to have your own opinion without people being able to tell you their opinion.

The first page or two was meh your opinion was self centered and generally small minded. The sort of thing that usually a little enlightenment can be used to address, however, the enlightenment was provided and you only went down hill from there.

Really at no point did you show anything that made you deserving of being a part of something that is bigger and better than you are as an individual.

If you are trolling meh whatever it's not that great of a troll for the amount of time you are putting into it.

If you aren't trolling then you really need to reassess yourself and a lot of your own beliefs. It's not that your opinions are different that draw flak it's that you comport yourself in a pretty shitty manner and then try to justify it and defend it as something that is beyond reproach.

It's not, what you are using to justify your opinions is flawed, which makes your opinions stupid and open to all sorts of ridicule.

K, I'll find a guild that does accept me for the kind of person I am. Or I'll start my own.

Careful guys, Supremacy will kick you if you're not another mindless drone that conforms to what they consider "societal norms".

[Itap]

lol

[Barahir]

K, I'll find a guild that does accept me for the kind of person I am. Or I'll start my own.

Careful guys, Supremacy will kick you if you're not another mindless drone that conforms to what they consider "societal norms".

Yeah I'm sure we'll miss out on some real winners. Oh wait I've already started getting tells from people who are now interested in joining after reading this thread!!

Seriously reassess your life

[Jingleson]

Yeah I'm sure we'll miss out on some real winners. Oh wait I've already started getting tells from people who are now interested in joining after reading this thread!!

Seriously reassess your life

I'd say to reassess yours, because mine is just fine the way it is.

[JackFlash]

This will be one of the funniest things I've read on these forums for the month, I think.

Best part is he had been kicked before he posted it. LOL

[Spitty]

Nineteen pages at my posts-per-page setting is pretty good, yo.

[Wudan]

You are just a cheapskate who doesn't think he should pay properly for time. Anyone who does ports often should come check this thread out and write down these losers and just ignore their cries for ports.

right, so because i pay 30-50p per port im cheapskate loser...do you even realize you talk about 80% of the server population? Im pretty sure most people pay under 50p. You really are a special one, arent ya? Do you also think every shit you make is holy?


#GTFOTMORACISTELITISTSCUMBAG

[Yanomamo]

I'd say to reassess yours, because mine is just fine the way it is.

NO U ARE

[Barahir]

Best part is he had been kicked before he posted it. LOL

I heard about the thread last night from some guildies, by then it had already been posted, but being a fair person I decided to read the whole thread. Needless to say my tolerance for what was being said wore out really quick.

[Andervin]

K, I'll find a guild that does accept me for the kind of person I am. Or I'll start my own.

Careful guys, Supremacy will kick you if you're not another mindless drone that conforms to what they consider "societal norms".

I'd say they kicked you for being a drama queen. Just sayin...

http://static.someecards.com/someecards/usercards/1349731801792_8783998.png

P.S. Who do I talk to about apping to Supremacy?

[Jingleson]

I'd say they kicked you for being a drama queen. Just sayin...

http://static.someecards.com/someecards/usercards/1349731801792_8783998.png

P.S. Who do I talk to about apping to Supremacy?

I was very willing to let this shit dropped, but you guys kept wanting to feed the fire, which is why we're where we are now. So no, you guys apparently just wanted attention.

[Andervin]

I was very willing to let this shit dropped, but you guys kept wanting to feed the fire, which is why we're where we are now. So no, you guys apparently just wanted attention.

What's this "we" shit kemosabi?

[Barahir]

I'd say they kicked you for being a drama queen. Just sayin...

http://static.someecards.com/someecards/usercards/1349731801792_8783998.png

P.S. Who do I talk to about apping to Supremacy?

I'm guild leader of Supremacy :P

[Jingleson]

What's this "we" shit kemosabi?

Obviously, you're part of "we."

[Andervin]

I'm guild leader of Supremacy :P

Cool, been looking for a drama queen free guild. I'll shoot you a tell in game sometime. :D

[fadetree]

Why all this rage at the OP? Serious question. If you think he's a dick, just move on. But no, 30 pages of 'die!' posts. I mean, its certainly entertaining, but I just don't see anything particularily unusual about OP, just same ol run of the mill internets assholery you would run into over and over. WHATS THE SECRET

[Andervin]

Why all this rage at the OP? Serious question. If you think he's a dick, just move on. But no, 30 pages of 'die!' posts. I mean, its certainly entertaining, but I just don't see anything particularily unusual about OP, just same ol run of the mill internets assholery you would run into over and over. WHATS THE SECRET

"Jingleson... the little scratch on the roof of your mouth that would heal if only you could stop tonguing it, but you can't."
-Narrator

[Jingleson]

Why all this rage at the OP? Serious question. If you think he's a dick, just move on. But no, 30 pages of 'die!' posts. I mean, its certainly entertaining, but I just don't see anything particularily unusual about OP, just same ol run of the mill internets assholery you would run into over and over. WHATS THE SECRET

They're apparently jealous because they think Rob Zombie made a song about me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5euTaaDds3U

[Andervin]

They're apparently jealous because they think Rob Zombie made a song about me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5euTaaDds3U

/tongue :confused:

[Barahir]

Why all this rage at the OP? Serious question. If you think he's a dick, just move on. But no, 30 pages of 'die!' posts. I mean, its certainly entertaining, but I just don't see anything particularily unusual about OP, just same ol run of the mill internets assholery you would run into over and over. WHATS THE SECRET

It's probably the slow ramp up. He posted his opinion people posted their thoughts on it and he couldn't deal with it so it spiraled from there.

[Jingleson]

It's probably the slow ramp up. He posted his opinion people posted their thoughts on it and he couldn't deal with it so it spiraled from there.

I posted my opinions, and rather than being civil, people immediately went of the offensive and called me a "petty dickhead who found the deep end of the shit pool in record time." If they were simply arguing my point of view it would be one thing, but everyone opted for a direct attack on myself as a person rather than just my argument.

Personally, I'm not a fan of ad-hominems. There's no reason anything on the internet ever needs to get to a personal level.

[Clark]

http://www.overclockers.at/files/witness-this-epic-thread_125561.gif

[Andervin]

Godwin in 3...2...

[Barahir]

Godwin in 3...2...

Nazis

[Swish]

I posted my opinions, and rather than being civil, people immediately went of the offensive and called me a "petty dickhead who found the deep end of the shit pool in record time." If they were simply arguing my point of view it would be one thing, but everyone opted for a direct attack on myself as a person rather than just my argument.

Personally, I'm not a fan of ad-hominems. There's no reason anything on the internet ever needs to get to a personal level.

Jingles, if you post a rant on the forums about anything in-game...especially a time long tradition (ports for donations), then expect a little backlash. Other people posted stupid stuff, but as the opening poster of a now popular thread, it's yours that they'll come back to.

Don't take any of it personally. It's just the forums :)

[Alorae]

100 replies itt by 1 guy. Guess how many minds you changed...

[BillyCranston]

I posted my opinions, and rather than being civil, people immediately went of the offensive and called me a "petty dickhead who found the deep end of the shit pool in record time." If they were simply arguing my point of view it would be one thing, but everyone opted for a direct attack on myself as a person rather than just my argument.

Personally, I'm not a fan of ad-hominems. There's no reason anything on the internet ever needs to get to a personal level.

You're the one casting aside people's jobs and deciding what their pay rate should be. You're right, all those servers working $2 an hour to pay for taxes, on their claimed tips, really don't deserve the tips they're working for right?

"I talked shit about anything and everything and now everyone is picking on me, why?!"

Get over yourself.

[Barahir]

Jingles, if you post a rant on the forums about anything in-game...especially a time long tradition (ports for donations), then expect a little backlash. Other people posted stupid stuff, but as the opening poster of a now popular thread, it's yours that they'll come back to.

Don't take any of it personally. It's just the forums :)

Dude did you see that you can win a cloak of flame???? on the forums!?!?!!?!

[Swish]

Dude did you see that you can win a cloak of flame???? on the forums!?!?!!?!

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120116223417/smuff/images/2/20/Srsly.gif

sign me up!

[Andervin]

Nazis

No no no, the OP has to do it!

[Andervin]

Dude did you see that you can win a cloak of flame???? on the forums!?!?!!?!

http://cdn.randomfunnypicture.com/pictures/819burned-drunk-guy.jpg