Supremacy - Wizard - Azilmak .. hmm

[Dunes]

Alright guys, Im not one to do this normally, but I think I just met one of the biggest asses in my EQ career. Rarely have I ever encountered someone who chose to be such a blatant ass and not even try to be nice and play by the rules. His name is Azilmak, he belongs to Supremacy, and hes a dick.

Camping the 1 spec that's left outside Fear (inside spawns were taken by a higher level monk, but he was friendly so I was fine with that). Just the 1 spawn, and I had been on him for about 5 repops. Heres the conversation:

My spec pops, I go to snare it yet it is suddenly rooted and nuked. It was Azilmak.
Me: Dude you knew I was camping this one :( I saw you run past several times
Azilmak: Except Ive been sitting here since like 6 pm
Azilmak: went to sell and you were sitting here taking them
Me: Yeah? Well you were gone...
Azilmak: and now Im back
Me: I had no idea it was even camped. I even asked monk
Me: You cant do that dude. You gave it up when you left
Azilmak: well I could just take them all
Azilmak: instead of the one
Me: Yeah you could be a douche like that if you chose to, but that would be a pretty shitty thing to do
Azilmak: i agree
Me: Plus I don't think monk is down with that
Azilmak: so let me have the 1 I have had for hours now and its all good
Me: There are no others lol. ((monk)) has all the inside ones
Azilmak: then I guess move along


Alright. There are going to be a few folks that say "Its just a spec! Who cares!". Yes, but is it not true that it was given up when he left to sell and I had no prior knowledge of his camping it? There will be others that worship the asshole-bravado that Azilmak exhibited. To that I don't have a reply, and I really don't care.

The whole point of posting this is just because A) a SK cant KS a nuker, so there's no point in going down that road. Im left hoping that someone gives a damn, maybe someone in his guild. or maybe at least one person out there learns that Azilmak is a dick, and Ill be happy with that ;)

[Dirtnap]

The rules state that if you aren't there, you can't claim a camp. It was rightfully yours.

[Skittlez]

The rules state that if you aren't there, you can't claim a camp. It was rightfully yours.

Usually a /petition works. I have dealt with many of those ass wipes in Unrest. The worst ones that do this are the fucking cock suckers that are level 60 and powerleveling in the MOST popular zones during peak hours.

[Jazendar]

Well, i'm glad I know where Skittlez' stands on the issue.

[Arteker]

5. Outdoor pathing mobs are not campable unless you are sitting at the spawn point and able to engage it instantly. Outdoor mobs on fast respawn such as HG and spectres, if you cannot engage immediately you do not hold the camp. Please try and share with fellow players in these instances.

rules chek it

[Lojik]

5. Outdoor pathing mob

Many of these mobs do not path.

[Gruktar]

According to the rules, it would appear that you are right and he was wrong.

From the thread on camp rules: "Outdoor mobs on fast respawn such as HG and spectres, if you cannot engage immediately you do not hold the camp. Please try and share with fellow players in these instances." (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2653)

As soon as he left to go sell he forfeited any claim to that camp. Since you had been there clearing repops after he left and were ready to engage the next pop it was legitimately yours.

Don't be afraid to stand your ground if you know that you are right. Try to /petition next time, as Skittlez suggested.

[sox7d]

it's nice to see someone else hates that little shit. i've grouped with him twice and both times he was afk far beyond the group splitting up. i'm talking no nukes for an entire hour. fool me once....

[Rararboker]

The rules state that if you aren't there, you can't claim a camp. It was rightfully yours.

[Andervin]

Bad form taking this straight to the forums. Did you contact anyone else in Supremacy and give them a chance to work shit out first?

[ppdanny]

Supremacy leadership is looking into this. Although Sepctre's are FTE as the rules said, there is a common courtesy regarding having certain spectre's camped. If you leave the spec you're holding its generally assumed to be free. If I leave the AC camp I'm at now to go sell, or res someone inside Oasis zoneline and someone else shows up.. I lose my camp.

We in Supremacy have a rule about "not being a dick". Thank you for bringing this to Supremacy leadership's attention.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

Bad form taking this straight to the forums. Did you contact anyone else in Supremacy and give them a chance to work shit out first?

Was sort of humming and hawing whether or not I should post about it but of you're going to call someone out and name-shame you really should do it in RnF. I would also agree with Andervin in that you should try to reach out to guild leadership first before making a post.

Fwiw it sounds like you were right based on your account.

[whippetofspades]

I've had a Supremacy member do more or less the same thing once. Really rude attitude as well. I'm sure all Supremacy members aren't like this but there's a few floating around.

[NegaStoat]

I've gotten in the habit of taking a screenshot with /time and a /who results displaying for the zone. Then getting down to business. If it's a highly desired camp, I'll leave a log running.

If an asshat tries to weasel in, I have my GM report fodder evidence all set to go.

I'd advise you start up the same just for instances like this. You can always delete the screenshot folder + logs when things start to get cluttered up.

Edit - mostly I do the above not to rules lawyer the crap out of someone. we're all here to have fun. It's to protect myself from the douchebag supremes that I might encounter. I've yet to have that happen, thankfully.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

BS dude, name and shame in public for all to see, not just the RnF basement dwellers

If you do it in general forums then provide either screenshots or logs to confirm. Witch hunts in RnF, legit call-outs in general.

[Barahir]

Two fairly different versions of events from what I am hearing.

This sort of thing is something that /petition is for, if you feel like a player is breaking the server rules there isn't a lot people who do not have GM powers can do if they get conflicting reports.

Going to the forums isn't the best way to go about things. I encourage people to resolve their problems on their own or reach out to GMs or Guild Leaders/Officers.

[Spitty]

Can't believe people act like this. We're all adults here. Apparently playing EQ for over a decade has left some players without basic social skills

Is it any surprise that the most unmotivated, unskilled, slimy leeches of our species are drawn to these servers? I mean, you basically have to be able to press a key every now and then and own a computer built in the last 15 years. There's literally no ticket price for this ride and there's no incentive to being a decent person.

Sorry about the spectre. That used to be a favorite solo spot of mine and I hate seeing people getting jacked there.

[fuark]

Not sure I'm reading it correctly, but if someone really did go to sell and wasn't there for a few spawns I would probably give them the camp back out of courtesy (if I thought they were actually there).

[Splorf22]

Need logs. Also if you leave, you lose the camp. Thats camp basics.

If he tried that on Jeremy he'd get some nasty packets for sure.

[Gruktar]

I think it's clear that the real bad guy here is the monk that was hoarding the other mobs and forcing two people to fight over one mob. :P

[Cyph]

^ Probably one of those Iksar monks :P

[Roku]

Not sure I'm reading it correctly, but if someone really did go to sell and wasn't there for a few spawns I would probably give them the camp back out of courtesy (if I thought they were actually there).

If the guy came back and asked nicely, maybe. Not if he returns, nukes mob on insta-pop, and then acts like an entitled prick. I.e., not in this instance.

[Clark]

Well, i'm glad I know where Skittlez' stands on the issue.

[sulpher01]

You lost me at "Supremacy"... the guys that invited gaffin? lol

[webrunner5]

You lost me at "Supremacy"... the guys that invited gaffin? lol

What he said. :rolleyes:

[Kylenorr]

No screenie or anything, then it's just believe one party or another at their word. Probably would have handled it differently.

[wimplo559897]

ive had the same problems with people gets me so raged haha but part of the game. your so in the right if petition doesn't work gotta do street justice.

[skipdog]

If everybody made a thread for some guy being a dick rather than petitioning, this forum would be an even uglier place.

Trust the system!

[Bill Tetley]

street justice.

[Itap]

Snitches get stitches

[Spitty]

Not sure I'm reading it correctly, but if someone really did go to sell and wasn't there for a few spawns I would probably give them the camp back out of courtesy (if I thought they were actually there).

Someone left the camp.

Left. The. Camp.

That's pretty much the be-all, end-all. If I set up at an empty NG for some soloing and someone shows up laying claim to the camp because they were "just there" and "only went to OT to sell", how am I supposed to verify this?

Being nice is one thing. Handing stuff over at the first sign of conflict is setting oneself up for a nice, long career in being a victim.

[Bill Tetley]

Just gotta be more smart about stealing camps... A classy VexD couple last night joined our duo in Unrest basement so we moved to Kedge for more challenge... my friend dies and they immediately leave Kedge back to Unrest basement taking our old camp while we CR in Kedge. Now that's how you steal a camp.

[Aaron]

Wizard was a douche. I have no problem with public shaming on forums, but the preferable way to handle it would be to contact Sumpremacy leadership and have them take care of it.

If they condone his behavior, then it's time for the public shaming.

[Weekapaug]

Can't believe people act like this. We're all adults here. Apparently playing EQ for over a decade has left some players without basic social skills

New here? ;p

[fuark]

Someone left the camp.

Left. The. Camp.

That's pretty much the be-all, end-all. If I set up at an empty NG for some soloing and someone shows up laying claim to the camp because they were "just there" and "only went to OT to sell", how am I supposed to verify this?

Being nice is one thing. Handing stuff over at the first sign of conflict is setting oneself up for a nice, long career in being a victim.

Yeah like I said, if I thought the person was actually there before me and just went to sell, I'd just give them the camp back.

If someone was in FM, left the zone, and went to OT to sell, then sure that's different.

Not saying he didn't have the right to the camp according to the server rules. If you leave the camp, it's forfeit of course. But if the guy just came back and was a dick then yeah, fuck em.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

This thread is now a parody of the issue.

[Zeonick]

I agree with what someone else said: if he asked nicely i would have given it back. But since he was a total doucher, you did the right thing. I have to say though, I grouped with a bunch of supremecy players last night and they were top-notch solid folk. 10/10 would group again for sure. So dragging their guild tag into this without any communication with their leadership really does misrepresent them as a whole. Either way, I hope you dont get discouraged from this encounter!

[sox7d]

supremecy is the ugly chick that fucks anything it can

[Spitty]

Yeah like I said, if I thought the person was actually there before me and just went to sell, I'd just give them the camp back.

If someone was in FM, left the zone, and went to OT to sell, then sure that's different.

Not saying he didn't have the right to the camp according to the server rules. If you leave the camp, it's forfeit of course. But if the guy just came back and was a dick then yeah, fuck em.

Fair enough. You're nicer than I am - my PNP attitude about camps on this server has degraded to the point where I'm disinclined to acquiesce to anyone's request to hand over my camp.

[billw134]

This is an issue of kill stealing one mob.

Sk was FTE and Wizard then root nuked it. You don't need logs or screenshots to justify this to me!

Everyone knows the group with the wizard is the exp group! Even when it's not!

There is always another side to the story, but I don't see the wizard defending himself here.

OP was venting. Much better than going on a killing spree at the local Walmart. Not as interesting tho!

PS: I had that camp once a few months ago, but when I came back today the OP was there stealing my camp!

[Frogie305]

The rules state that if you aren't there, you can't claim a camp. It was rightfully yours.

This!

[Dunes]

Guys, I appreciate the support. I do also appreciate the post that leadership in Supremacy was looking into this. I did feel the need to public shame, which may or may not have been the most appropriate thing to do while I was still upset about what transpired.

I regret not capturing a screenshot or log, I intended to at the time. Instead I expanded the chat window and transcribed verbatim the transaction then logged out of EQ.

Again, Im not the type to pick fights in EQ, and I don't frequent RnF, but the general attitude that he exhibited was too much to go unnoted.

Lesson learned, and I may be naïve in this belief, but: most of us are here because our experiences in Classic EQ meant something to us back in the day, and something that no game since has managed to replicate. We have that common experience, so Im going to do my absolute damndest to treat others with respect and hope that others will do the same for me.

[Langrisserx]

another thrilling day on blue

[Vohl]

another thrilling day on blue

<YakovSmirnoff>On Red99, camp-stealing wizard nukes you.</YakovSmirnoff>

[Lagaidh]

most of us are here because our experiences in Classic EQ meant something to us back in the day, and something that no game since has managed to replicate. We have that common experience

I wish more forum-critters took this to heart. I also believe this. Naïve or not.

[Andervin]

<YakovSmirnoff>On Red99, camp-stealing wizard nukes you.</YakovSmirnoff>

/annoying Yacov laughter!

[fishingme]

Alright guys, Im not one to do this normally, but I think I just met one of the biggest asses in my EQ career. Rarely have I ever encountered someone who chose to be such a blatant ass and not even try to be nice and play by the rules. His name is Azilmak, he belongs to Supremacy, and hes a dick.

Camping the 1 spec that's left outside Fear (inside spawns were taken by a higher level monk, but he was friendly so I was fine with that). Just the 1 spawn, and I had been on him for about 5 repops. Heres the conversation:

My spec pops, I go to snare it yet it is suddenly rooted and nuked. It was Azilmak.
Me: Dude you knew I was camping this one :( I saw you run past several times
Azilmak: Except Ive been sitting here since like 6 pm
Azilmak: went to sell and you were sitting here taking them
Me: Yeah? Well you were gone...
Azilmak: and now Im back
Me: I had no idea it was even camped. I even asked monk
Me: You cant do that dude. You gave it up when you left
Azilmak: well I could just take them all
Azilmak: instead of the one
Me: Yeah you could be a douche like that if you chose to, but that would be a pretty shitty thing to do
Azilmak: i agree
Me: Plus I don't think monk is down with that
Azilmak: so let me have the 1 I have had for hours now and its all good
Me: There are no others lol. ((monk)) has all the inside ones
Azilmak: then I guess move along


Alright. There are going to be a few folks that say "Its just a spec! Who cares!". Yes, but is it not true that it was given up when he left to sell and I had no prior knowledge of his camping it? There will be others that worship the asshole-bravado that Azilmak exhibited. To that I don't have a reply, and I really don't care.

The whole point of posting this is just because A) a SK cant KS a nuker, so there's no point in going down that road. Im left hoping that someone gives a damn, maybe someone in his guild. or maybe at least one person out there learns that Azilmak is a dick, and Ill be happy with that ;)

lol, sporez from <taken> did the same thing as azilmak to me. I laughed.

[Barahir]

supremecy is the ugly chick that fucks anything it can

Big man on the forums eh?

Supremacy has an open door to everyone because we want people to feel welcome to the server, because we understand that welcoming people to the server and helping them have a positive experience is how we keep more people on the server.

We are a big guild welcome to anyone and everyone, that being said when people conduct themselves in a manner that is unacceptable to us we remove them without hesitation. However, when there are two conflicting stories without any evidence at all I am not going to pass any sort of judgement. This is why the forums is generally the worst place to bring these issues. Do a petition in game when things happen so that if the GMs are able they will get involved and weigh in, then contact guild leadership so they can review everything and take action.

[Barelyhere]

Looks like a repeat offender. Also tried to steal AC camp from some guy a few days ago. Think he finally got the axe from Supremacy, though.

[murcielago200]

Looks like a repeat offender. Also tried to steal AC camp from some guy a few days ago. Think he finally got the axe from Supremacy, though.

Don't know if he left or was booted but he's not in Supremacy anymore.

[Spitty]

KSing camps, getting booted from guilds - this dude is setting himself up for a career of being a port whore with a grudge.

[baalzy]

Level 8 Freeport warrior newbie shouts "Can I get a teleport to Greater Faydark please?"

Tell level 8 Freeport warrior newbie: "Sure I'll port you to GFay, don't worry about payment"
<Forms group>
<casts Combine Portal>

[hynch]

If he can master the art of training low levels in Sol B then he has a bright future in <Taken>

[Erati]

If he can master the art of training low levels in Sol B then he has a bright future in <Taken>

Hint: Trains happen in Sol B from every guild on the server

if Taken trains u im sure they can also find u a res

[Swish]

Don't know if he left or was booted but he's not in Supremacy anymore.

Was still on their TS the other night.

Inspector Swish keeping eyes on him.

[Barahir]

Looks like a repeat offender. Also tried to steal AC camp from some guy a few days ago. Think he finally got the axe from Supremacy, though.

Was guild removed based on screenshots from this event.