frowned upon, hack, or jsut plain cheating?

[Metallikus]

Something I've seen TMO do in VP to get COH mage to the top of the picture room and in permafrost to get to Vox's lair from the alternate cave.

windowed mode:

character has a levitate buff

you click off the EQ screen

you click back to the EQ screen

your character is a little higher in the air than he was before.

[Pint]

lol fair, next

[Rellapse35]

O god here we go

Remove Levitate guys shit is an exploit

[myxomatosii]

Remove Levitate guys shit is an exploit

Fair and measured. Nominated for Guide.

[Lagaidh]

Oddly enough... when I click off windowed mode with a levitate, the exact opposite happens. I lose altitude. Drop like dense turd in a pond, slowly bob on down.

Edit: And I swear Pegasus Cloak effect makes me fly a tad higher than player-cast lev / potion.

[Swish]

Remove Levitate guys shit is an exploit

Toop/Kegz is that you?

[Metallikus]

this is also being used in howling stones entrance to gain the height needed to levitate across to the east wing for some people.

Looking for a guide or gm to thumbs up or thumbs down or if someone can locate a rules violation in writing somewhere.

[Rellapse35]

Using levitate to float across to diff areas watch out guys srs exploiting going on in here

[arsenalpow]

How about using an illusion or size altering spell to glitch through locked doors? Working as intended, known bug, or illegal exploit?

[Rellapse35]

Might as well delete gnomes since they have been using their size to squeeze through Najena Jail and The Hole rock since 1999.

major exploits going on bros

[arsenalpow]

You can still to this day illusion through locked VP doors on live... i assume it is working as intended.

You can also increase lev height by tabbing back and forth

[Rellapse35]

stupid thread

[Tycko]

Something I've seen BDA do in VP to get COH mage to the top of the picture room and in permafrost to get to Vox's lair from the alternate cave.

windowed mode:

character has a levitate buff

you click off the EQ screen

you click back to the EQ screen

your character is a little higher in the air than he was before.

Fixed

[loramin]

stupid thread

If it's so stupid, why have you posted on it 4 times?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this is the l33t haxxor exploit, but you can make your opinion known in one or maybe two posts. After that it just looks like you're obsessed.

[jarshale]

Might as well delete gnomes since they have been using their size to squeeze through Najena Jail and The Hole rock since 1999.

major exploits going on bros

Gnomes confirmed for dirty exploiters. Ban pls :mad:

[Bamz4l]

tabbing out has opposite effect on me too (Sink). what I do to climb with levitate is during the downward-bob I run into the wall for a second, eliminating the downward-bob. then stand still for the upward-bob

[Rellapse35]

stupid thread

[bomaroast]

tabbing out has opposite effect on me too (Sink). what I do to climb with levitate is during the downward-bob I run into the wall for a second, eliminating the downward-bob. then stand still for the upward-bob

When the levitate spell first lands on you it immediately starts you on an upward-bob. So if you are already levitating you can time it so the levitate spell lands at the end of an upward-bob, resulting in two upward-bobs in a row.

[Rellapse35]

When the levitate spell first lands on you it immediately starts you on an upward-bob. So if you are already levitating you can time it so the levitate spell lands at the end of an upward-bob, resulting in two upward-bobs in a row.

exploits

[Kohedron]

Posting in an exploit thread where everyone should be banned

[Itap]

Might as well delete gnomes since they have been using their size to squeeze through Najena Jail and The Hole rock since 1999.

hahaha

[Andervin]

Oddly enough... when I click off windowed mode with a levitate, the exact opposite happens. I lose altitude. Drop like dense turd in a pond, slowly bob on down.


Can confirm, am turd.

[Shinko]

why is it bda that finds all these cheats.... ban that guild please

[Autotune]

Fun trick, find an overweight mule in EC tunnel, hit him with lev and at the top end of each bob have another lev hit him until he is at max lev. Wait for lev to wear off and watch him fall to his death.

Works best on the AFK'd ones that sit in the zone day and night and also easier to do on guildmates because you can remove the lev buff with a cancel magic ;)

[Rellapse35]

Fun Trick, Cast lev on someone with hide on slightly bump into them and make them appear

[Autotune]

Fun Trick, Cast lev on someone with hide on slightly bump into them and make them appear

Lev trick thread now getting somewhere!

[Bamz4l]

on the boats u get perma lev. sometimes when u leave the boat, the perma lev doesn't fade till u zone

[Sadad]

bullshit

Has TMO ever had their coth mage moved from the painting room by a gm in the middle of a race?

[Lyra]

Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUZmO6h-qfw

[MaksimMazor]

So what you're saying is in 15 years some of us are going to be working together?

[quido]

1. You can't levitate up to the ledge in the picture room. As an aside, nobody has been up there for like 8 months (since it was agreed to be disallowed).

2. You can levitate to the east wing at HS entrance without using the levitate trick.

3. You guys are fucking morans.

[Alarti0001]

Something I've seen TMO do in VP to get COH mage to the top of the picture room and in permafrost to get to Vox's lair from the alternate cave.

windowed mode:

character has a levitate buff

you click off the EQ screen

you click back to the EQ screen

your character is a little higher in the air than he was before.

We actually used grav flux. Thanks for playing though !

[Lyra]

So what you're saying is in 15 years some of us are going to be working together?

YES!!!

It's not like I can convince you to get along now, but I think it does put some of this in perspective.

[Clark]

O god here we go

Remove Levitate guys shit is an exploit

lol

[Burial]

Whenever I click offscreen with levi on I fall like a sack of bricks.

[Metallikus]

regardless of who did what, when, or whatever.....

need a gm or guide to say something about people clicking off screen with levitate to gain altitude in game.

[Autotune]

regardless of who did what, when, or whatever.....

need a gm or guide to say something about people clicking off screen with levitate to gain altitude in game.

totally ruins having to have a rogue open that door for you down at VS...

god damn necros DMF'n out the pit to 2nd floor.

[Rellapse35]

regardless of who did what, when, or whatever.....

need a gm or guide to say something about people clicking off screen with levitate to gain altitude in game.

not sure if dum

[skorge]

on the epic emu server i once hit a mob for over 10 damage and Kegz banned me

[Metallikus]

apparently it is a big deal. TMO calls in pocket gm_003 to hassle a BDA raid force at Vox, moving characters down from the ledge, including characters that were already parked there from the last week Vox kill. I want to know if this is just one of those one time things that TMO and their enforcers get away with or if its a server wide written policy.





[Tue Nov 12 23:08:36 2013] Legas says, 'click outside of your eq window and you will pulse up with the lev'
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[Tue Nov 12 23:08:41 2013] Legas says, 'click back in'
[
[Tue Nov 12 23:08:55 2013] Arsonist says, 'sounds like an exploit'
[
[Tue Nov 12 23:09:11 2013] Legas says, 'sounds like part of the game mechanics'
[
[Tue Nov 12 23:10:08 2013] Arsonist says, 'well, frapsing just in case'

[Tue Nov 12 23:10:17 2013] Keltan says, 'frapsing exploit :)'

[Tue Nov 12 23:10:44 2013] Arsonist says, 'this will make a good petition'

[Tue Nov 12 23:10:54 2013] Keltan says, 'already got gm otw :)'

Tue Nov 12 23:15:27 2013] Derubael tells the guild, 'can we not exploit up onto ledges please?'

[Tue Nov 12 23:16:07 2013] Derubael tells the guild, 'k, will say it again, can we not exploit up onto ledges please?'

[Tue Nov 12 23:16:15 2013] Derubael tells the guild, 'there is reason why you're being summoned down'

[Alarti0001]

moving characters down from the ledge,[/B] including characters that were already parked there from the last week Vox kill.


[Tue Nov 12 23:08:36 2013] Legas says, 'click outside of your eq window and you will pulse up with the lev'
'

Its fun when your on BDA member catches your lie in the log you post.

[Lithose]

Its fun when your on BDA member catches your lie in the log you post.

Not in either guild. Just commenting, but it doesn't seem like the post indicates he wasn't using the trick. It was showing that in this case a rule against it was enforced, and I suppose the accusation is in other cases it wasn't, despite the same "mechanic" being used.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Something I've seen TMO do in VP to get COH mage to the top of the picture room and in permafrost to get to Vox's lair from the alternate cave.

http://www.fraps.com/

[Alarti0001]

Not in either guild. Just commenting, but it doesn't seem like the post indicates he wasn't using the trick. It was showing that in this case a rule against it was enforced, and I suppose the accusation is in other cases it wasn't, despite the same "mechanic" being used.

Ehh Metallikus implied that his guild was moving DOWN from the ramp, meaning they weren't exploiting lev mechanics to achieve height they shouldnt be able to obtain. However, his guildie Legas then instructs other BDA members in /say how to use the trick to get higher up. This was witnessed by GM Derubael so yes it did happen.

[Tecmos Deception]

Tue Nov 12 23:15:27 2013] Derubael tells the guild, 'can we not exploit up onto ledges please?'

[Tue Nov 12 23:16:07 2013] Derubael tells the guild, 'k, will say it again, can we not exploit up onto ledges please?'

[Tue Nov 12 23:16:15 2013] Derubael tells the guild, 'there is reason why you're being summoned down'

What's the full context here? Or is Deru wrong? Or did staff policy change?

God knows staff have seen me (and probably a thousand other players) lev trick ingame without ever saying a word, let alone taking more forceful action because of this "exploit."

[Alarti0001]

What's the full context here? Or is Deru wrong? Or did staff policy change?

God knows staff have seen me (and probably a thousand other players) lev trick ingame without ever saying a word, let alone taking more forceful action because of this "exploit."

Lev trick has been illegal since 2010? at least.

[Derubael]

If you're using the lev trick to float 50 ft in the air outside ec tunnel, i couldn't care less.

If you're using the lev trick to reach a shortcut to a raid mob because you don't have enough mages to coth people up there fast enough to get the kill, im going to intervene.

www.fraps.com or petition in game if you see someone using this to gain an advantage like this.

[Derubael]

Oh wow, just saw this gem:
apparently it is a big deal. TMO calls in pocket gm_003 to hassle a BDA raid force at Vox,

I have a guild for you to join, im the leader and its called <Tinfoil Hat>. Everyone has been telling me you're perfect for my guild, ill be happy to make you an officer. Keep acting like a retard, get treated like one.

BDA should know better. Staff gives 0 fucks about any of your guilds. We're just here to make sure you aren't cheating to get your pixels.

[contemptor]

If you're using the lev trick to float 50 ft in the air outside ec tunnel, i couldn't care less.

If you're using the lev trick to reach a shortcut to a raid mob because you don't have enough mages to coth people up there fast enough to get the kill, im going to intervene.

www.fraps.com or petition in game if you see someone using this to gain an advantage like this.
Just to clarify- it's illegal for raid mobs and not for HS South and such? Where it's publicized highly on this forum, with no negative response?

[Autotune]

Oh wow, just saw this gem:


I have a guild for you to join, im the leader and its called <Tinfoil Hat>. Everyone has been telling me you're perfect for my guild, ill be happy to make you an officer. Keep acting like a retard, get treated like one.

BDA should know better. Staff gives 0 fucks about any of your guilds. We're just here to make sure you aren't cheating to get your pixels.

Well, I know this is said quite often, but... some stuff in the past would say otherwise. I mean, you say it now, but later on when present becomes history, who knows how many fucks will have been truly given to certain guilds... eh? EH!?

[Spacebar]

This is an interesting thread so far. I think I will summarize the events thus far:

MetalBDA: Hey, is it ok if TMO does this? explains possible exploit

Relapse: That's dumb, of course it's ok! Don't be silly you giant silly-goose. (proceeds to do x-rated stuff to TMO in hopes of potential free pixels in the future?)

TMO PR rep #1-3: We can neither confirm nor deny that it ever happened, but we don't use that exploit...we use others nowadays.

MetalBDA: I'm just asking if it is ok if TMO does it.

Relapse: *yum yum yum yum* TMO, this tastes wonderful! (PMs TMO: so when do I get my CoF?)

TMO PR reps: We know that exploit isn't possible here, here, here or here, but we don't do it...we promise! Also, other exploits are soooo much easier.

MetalBDA: I'm only asking because it seems that other people can't use it and it only takes a few minutes for TMO to get a guide's attention.

Relapse bla bla: * remain silent to see TMO's reaction*

TMO Rep 54238: Ss or it didn't happen.

TMO Rep 73522: We can now confirm that this lev trick is illegal and has been for a long time. This is common knowledge, people, come on! *updates pocket rules lawyer book on things to not do when other guilds might be frapsing*

Derubael: Shut up TMO, and yes it is illegal. If I see anybody doing it, I will respond. Don't do stuff that you know is wrong. Also, app more mages.

Spacebar: *in before thread lock*

[contemptor]

What's the full context here? Or is Deru wrong? Or did staff policy change?

God knows staff have seen me (and probably a thousand other players) lev trick ingame without ever saying a word, let alone taking more forceful action because of this "exploit."
Per the RNF thread, a few late BDA were trying to levitate up a ledge in perma, and TMO petitioned. Derubael told us not too, so BDA all dropped down and went around the long way. And still went and killed Vox :shrug:

And yes, this is the same lev trick you and many others have used in HS and such.

[Derubael]

If you're exploiting your client to gain an advantage, consider it against the rules.

If you're using it to get yourself stuck in the middle of KC in DL, consider yourself a goofball.

[Autotune]

This is an interesting thread so far. I think I will summarize the events thus far:

MetalBDA: Hey, is it ok if TMO does this? explains possible exploit

Relapse et al: That's dumb, of course it's ok! Don't be silly you giant silly-goose. (proceeds to do x-rated stuff to TMO in hopes of potential free pixels in the future?)

TMO PR rep #1-3: We can neither confirm nor deny that it ever happened, but we don't use that exploit...we use others nowadays.

MetalBDA: I'm just asking if it is ok if TMO does it.

Relaps et al: *yum yum yum yum* TMO, this tastes wonderful! (PMs TMO: so when do I get my CoF?)

TMO PR reps: We know that exploit isn't possible here, here, here or here, but we don't do it...we promise! Also, other exploits are soooo much easier.

MetalBDA: I'm only asking because it seems that other people can't use it and it only takes a few minutes for TMO to get a guide's attention.

Relapse et al: * remain silent to see TMO's reaction*

TMO Rep 54238: Ss or it didn't happen.

TMO Rep 73522: We can now confirm that this lev trick is illegal and has been for a long time. This is common knowledge, people, come on! *updates pocket rules lawyer book on things to not do when other guilds might be frapsing*

Derubael: Shut up TMO, and yes it is illegal. If I see anybody doing it, I will respond. Don't do stuff that you know is wrong. Also, app more mages.

Spacebar: *in before thread lock*


It's totally not illegal, next thing you guys will be saying it's illegal to fall without taking fall damage.

[Alarti0001]

Per the RNF thread, a few late BDA were trying to levitate up a ledge in perma, and TMO petitioned. Derubael told us not too, so BDA all dropped down and went around the long way. And still went and killed Vox :shrug:

And yes, this is the same lev trick you and many others have used in HS and such.

You dont need to lev trick into hs south.

[Alarti0001]

Oh wow, just saw this gem:


I have a guild for you to join, im the leader and its called <Tinfoil Hat>. Everyone has been telling me you're perfect for my guild, ill be happy to make you an officer. Keep acting like a retard, get treated like one.

BDA should know better. Staff gives 0 fucks about any of your guilds. We're just here to make sure you aren't cheating to get your pixels.

I told you Anthrax would be perfect

[Colgate]

fraps'd/reported someone doing this in KC to get on the walls at the entrance, was told it was not an exploit since "anyone can do it" despite the fact that it does not work for me when i try

[Derubael]

Colgate - we watched your fraps, then tested it ourselves. Doing what you are describing doesn't take any client glitching.

The person in your fraps WAS glitching their client to get extra height out of their lev, but it wasn't needed in order to get over to the ledge, which is why we said it wasn't an exploit.

[Colgate]

when i run, regardless of selo's speed or not, i lose too much height to get up there; i would have to start higher up in the air to make it. the person i fraps'd probably also has the same issue, which is why, i assume, they were doing it

however, i'm also unable to window drag to gain height with levitate on, so i'm fucked either way

[Lanzellot]

Rellapse 35 will be my new forum hero /salut you gained lanzellot on your side

that mr bean graphic is awesome too and is the answer to most of the forumfolks here;)

[Jimjam]

I'm sure most people have realised Lev bob rate is decided by client FPS (frames per second).

Based on this I think the technique is to get a low FPS during the up bob (so you spend more time travelling up) and low FPS during the down bob (so you spend less time travelling down). This could be achieved by sliding the 'max fps' slider in the options window back and forth or clicking in and out of the EQ window (for some reason EQ runs slower fps when not the active window).

Alternatively it might be players just jam them selves into a corner during the down bob (so they don't sink) and step back during the up bob, allowing them to slowly climb.

For the people who are saying it doesn't work for them; I guess you doing it wrong, you only want to be slowing the frames per second during the up bob (to make it last longer). If you just click out the window and keep it like that of course you are going to just sink (because you'll be getting huge down bobs too).

[HawkMasterson1999]

I cant seem to get much higher than a barbarians head before it just starts breaking even... And it definately feels like cheating i must say

[Castigate]

How is this a problem at all? Shit's classic as fuck. You could easily climb into Vox's chamber on live just by moving forward in a corner on the down-bobs and stopping when you go up. Alternatively as a Bard you could time it so your lev song kicked back in at the top your bobs and climb a party full of people up there with no effort on their own part, and doing nothing that I can even imagine would be considered exploiting. None of this required tabbing out or adjusting your FPS or any of that shit.

If timing spellcasts and twisting songs are both illegal then we have a much bigger problem.

[Zapatos]

What's going on in this thread? Gaining height with lev is completely classic. Whether by repeatedly casting lev, timing your lev casts, timing the bobs with your frame rate, getting gfluxed, or running up an ogres back, anyone can do it. And it's not p99 specific, I'd climb up the PoK library and other random stuff all the time on eqmac out of boredom.

The distinction I'm seeing here is people with good computers vs people with bad computers that always sink on their lev. If that were the case then you'd use the same logic to say people who can use max clip plane and max graphics would be getting an unfair advantage cause they can see better in raids.. It just doesn't make any sense. Not exploit.

[Alarti0001]

What's going on in this thread? Gaining height with lev is completely classic. Whether by repeatedly casting lev, timing your lev casts, timing the bobs with your frame rate, getting gfluxed, or running up an ogres back, anyone can do it. And it's not p99 specific, I'd climb up the PoK library and other random stuff all the time on eqmac out of boredom.

The distinction I'm seeing here is people with good computers vs people with bad computers that always sink on their lev. If that were the case then you'd use the same logic to say people who can use max clip plane and max graphics would be getting an unfair advantage cause they can see better in raids.. It just doesn't make any sense. Not exploit.

RMT is completely classic too. Training mobs on people is classic. Exploiting is classic.

Something happening in the past doesn't make it not an exploit.

[kotton05]

How about using an illusion or size altering spell to glitch through locked doors? Working as intended, known bug, or illegal exploit?

or pulling PD thru the walls to zone in?

[Zapatos]

Calling something an exploit doesn't make it an exploit. I'm not arguing with you alarti, if you believe in this issue then please say why and provide your reasoning.

[fishingme]

I don't really remember a classic interface that let you change fps options. I know there was one for clip plane/gamma but not for fps

[Alarti0001]

Calling something an exploit doesn't make it an exploit. I'm not arguing with you alarti, if you believe in this issue then please say why and provide your reasoning.

Thats fine... the GM's say its exploit, reason enough for me.


But for a brief description. Levitate was meant to hover you a fixed distance above the ground it wasnt intended to act as /flymode

[contemptor]

Having NO established structured server rules isn't classic

NOT enforcing said rules consistently is also not classic
.

Too much grey area. It would be amazing to have a sticky that actually listed all the rules, especially the things that come up again and again (like Ragefire and such).

[Splorf22]

Too much grey area. It would be amazing to have a sticky that actually listed all the rules, especially the things that come up again and again (like Ragefire and such).

The fact that we need silly rules like this is a reflection of the EQ game mechanics which simply do not support multiple raid forces in the same zone.

[Alarti0001]

I find it odd that alarti knows what a /flymode is.


cat's out of the bag faggot hacker

You do realize we are on an emu server and you can just host your own server and use gm commands right?

[radditsu]

Clearly more lucky than exploit.


I wonder more and more why you even continue playing on this wonderful server.

[Alarti0001]

Clearly more lucky than exploit.


I wonder more and more why you even continue playing on this wonderful server.

Cause velious?

Thanks for wonderin' about me. Shows me you care

[radditsu]

Cause velious?

Thanks for wonderin' about me. Shows me you care


Can go to velious on any other server. Suck that "classic" dick. Like what you do here matters.

Fuck, even eqmac matters more. And those guys are turds.

[radditsu]

so that woulda been early 2010 or late 2009, i forget when shit happened

Would be nice to have a. ...book...With these obscure. ....rules or something.

[MaksimMazor]

Like a history book of P99

[Raavak]

Incoming full wipe.

[Alarti0001]

Can go to velious on any other server. Suck that "classic" dick. Like what you do here matters.

Fuck, even eqmac matters more. And those guys are turds.

why you mad tho?

[Grahm]

that post by spacebar was one of the worst posts I've ever read