Lysergic/Tajin - Scammers Beware

[Zeelot]

I just wanted to warn everyone that these ex-TMO applicants (Lysergic + Tajin) are scammers. They joined the guild as applicants less than 3 weeks ago to utilize the TMO name to gain the trust of someone in EC. They then proceeded to fake a bard epic multiquest (Only ever done by TMO leadership, plus there's no way this guy had bard guts as a new applicant).

The person who got scammed (Kugfuk) - lost his epic items and the cash he paid to lysergic due to the scam. Freddi from Taken is a witness who also contacted me about this.

I hope that the GMs punish these scammers and reimburse Kugfuk's items. I feel bad that these assholes used the TMO reputation and abused it. This is the first time I've seen such scumbag applicants come through our doors. I intend to tighten the applicant process and will reimburse Kugfuk with compensation if the GMs choose to not pursue this scam and help him out.

[Frogie305]

I just wanted to warn everyone that these ex-TMO applicants (Lysergic + Tajin) are scammers. They joined the guild as applicants less than 3 weeks ago to utilize the TMO name to gain the trust of someone in EC. They then proceeded to fake a bard epic multiquest (Only ever done by TMO leadership, plus there's no way this guy had bard guts as a new applicant).

The person who got scammed (Kugfuk) - lost his epic items and the cash he paid to lysergic due to the scam. Freddi from Taken is a witness who also contacted me about this.

I hope that the GMs punish these scammers and reimburse Kugfuk's items. I feel bad that these assholes used the TMO reputation and abused it. This is the first time I've seen such scumbag applicants come through our doors. I intend to tighten the applicant process and will reimburse Kugfuk with compensation if the GMs choose to not pursue this scam and help him out.

+1

[Itap]

I just wanted to warn everyone that these ex-TMO applicants (Lysergic + Tajin) are scammers. They joined the guild as applicants less than 3 weeks ago to utilize the TMO name to gain the trust of someone in EC. They then proceeded to fake a bard epic multiquest (Only ever done by TMO leadership, plus there's no way this guy had bard guts as a new applicant).

The person who got scammed (Kugfuk) - lost his epic items and the cash he paid to lysergic due to the scam. Freddi from Taken is a witness who also contacted me about this.

I hope that the GMs punish these scammers and reimburse Kugfuk's items. I feel bad that these assholes used the TMO reputation and abused it. This is the first time I've seen such scumbag applicants come through our doors. I intend to tighten the applicant process and will reimburse Kugfuk with compensation if the GMs choose to not pursue this scam and help him out.

Good stuff bud

[Thulack]

Same person apparently. Notice tajin interested in lysergic account:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=116181&highlight=Lysergic

[Alarti0001]

"Used the TMO reputation"

lol'ed 9/10 would read again A+

HhhooooooOOOLLLYYY COOOOIWWW mad lol

[getsome]

Apped to IB on Oct 15. He lists a few other alts, if that helps any in the quest for justice.

@zeelot , if you want to use lily for your interviews, I can loan her out.


Character Name - Tajin
Level - 60
Class - Rogue
Time Zone and Availability - EST: (Mon-Sun - 6:30pm-2am)
Alts (Class/LVL) - Necro/60 - Monk/54 - Enchanter/53
What past experience do you have on P99 (Guilds, etc.) - I was recruited by FE in the summer of 2012 and raided every target outside of VP. I am almost completed my VP key with Tajin and already have the VP key on my Necromancer.
What do you bring to IB? - I will first and foremost bring dedication and loyalty. I am team and goal oriented and enjoy working with others with the same mentality. I understand how to play my character's classes well and am very raid focused. Yet I very much enjoy helping others outside of the raid scene as well. And most of all, I'm here to enjoy this timeless game to the fullest extent and know you fine folk are the one's I can achieve this with.

~Many thanks for your consideration~



Whilst this isn't real Tajin, it's also not real Geico like he claimed to be. Lied on app interview - denied.



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[Argh]

There're a ton of shitty stories about Lysergic.

[sulpher01]

Ya he also has chars spaceyo, traderjoez, nizari, spellmuleone, spellmuletwo

[Raavak]

You mean he app'ed each char separately? Lol. Scum.

[sulpher01]

The tajin account tried to scam me as well on the trak guts... never believed he had them so I didn't pursue it, but he wasn't TMO tagged at the time so it wasn't as believable :(

[tacite]

I thought Tajin/Lysergic was a well known scammer around these parts, especially his mule, Traderjoez. He purchased the account of a friend of mine named Wreku/Shatoh, someone I hadn't seen online in months. When I said hello, Tajin pretended to be my friend and asked for 60k to buy his shaman epic MQ, which I declined. I found out about a week or two later that he did manage to scam the MQ from (I believe) Taken, whereafter he immediately resold the account and left the new owner holding the bag.

I've got some pieces of the bard epic I would be willing to donate to help out Kugfuk too. Sorry this happened to you :(

[Nips]

for the #1 guild on the server, I'm amazed at some of the ppl who are allowed to app. this guy would make bouncerr seem like a saint :P

[Kitsy]

I can't say I'm surprised. Lysergic is annoying as fuck and a pretty big d-bag. He's been on my ignore for awhile. I'm hopping he never shows up again. (Oh happy day!)

And not to take away from the assholery that this guy committed but unless you're buying from a TMO guild officer always be suspicious as hell. It's worth your time and plat to send a tell to guild leadership asking if it's legit and if the person can be trusted.

[Tasslehofp99]

I'm not 100% certain that they are owned by the same person today, but I also felt this lysergic fellow was a bit unsavory when he was applying to FE over the summer. Im not sure if he was rejected or just disappeared after a few weeks, either way that's some scumbag shit!

[Funkutron5000]

I'm not 100% certain that they are owned by the same person today, but I also felt this lysergic fellow was a bit unsavory when he was applying to FE over the summer. Im not sure if he was rejected or just disappeared after a few weeks, either way that's some scumbag shit!

He was rejected.

[CodyF86]

I'm normally not one to talk s*** about people, but I think anyone who has done seb in the last 3 weeks knows how horrible this guy is. He even managed to wipe an entire crypt group when breaking in because he wanted to run all willy nilly like Chuck Norris into the crypt like captain bad ass, when I could have just pulled the merbs even the ICGs one at a time.

...the only person I've ever actually kicked out of a group....ever...lol :)

...and he ninja looted Avatar from a shaman who won the roll... /scumbag...

Aaradin
The A-Team

[Laugher]

Just wanted to say thanks to Zeelot and TMO for being so responsive on this issue, its really awesome of you to be helping out so much with this. :)

[kotton05]

Before you do a MQ do alil background on who's doing it, hope this guy gets what's coming to him

[justin2090]

Whenever a guild leader calls you out for being a scammer, you know you done fucked up. What can the GMs do about this guy? Definitely not the type to have on the server.

[Autotune]

GMs probably won't do anything at all, I'm sure there was a post not long about about staff not stepping in on MQ's (be they bugged or otherwise).

Normally, I would be all for burning the scam artist at all costs. However, you have to be some kind of special to not double check with a guild's leader/s when it comes to purchasing an MQ of this type.

Let this be a major lesson to everyone, don't MQ unless you're willing to fully accept the risk involved. There is not a guild tag reputable enough to warrant blindly believing someone you've never played with before.

TL;DR: A few questions by the purchaser could have saved this entire fiasco from happening. Don't hold your breath on staff returning items and be thankful a guild is willing to pay for your ignorance.

[citizen1080]

1) Props to TMO (Zeelot) for stepping up to the plate even though they don't need to.

2) Lysergic is a complete douche along with being a horrible bard, grouped with him in Seb a few times and guy is a first class tool.

3) When will you people learn to use Escrow...seriously. Would have cost you ~10k and there is no way he could have scammed you. 10k compared to 400k+ isn't much of a investment for insurance.


GL with you epic sir...A TMO Office MQ'd the Guts for my bard and it was still a pucker moment for me. Can't imagine being scammed on it.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

1) Props to TMO (Zeelot) for stepping up to the plate even though they don't need to.

2) Lysergic is a complete douche along with being a horrible bard, grouped with him in Seb a few times and guy is a first class tool.

3) When will you people learn to use Escrow...seriously. Would have cost you ~10k and there is no way he could have scammed you. 10k compared to 400k+ isn't much of a investment for insurance.


GL with you epic sir...A TMO Office MQ'd the Guts for my bard and it was still a pucker moment for me. Can't imagine being scammed on it.

In Bob we trust.

[Thulack]

In Bob we trust.

[Nune]

saw Kugfuk in /auc all night selling blue items for Red Plat / PL / Items. Thought man, that's like the number 1 way people are getting scammed lately hope no one bites.

Read this thread.

Ironic.

[Swish]

Before you do a MQ do alil background on who's doing it, hope this guy gets what's coming to him

Doesn't work in all cases, but type their name into a forum search up above - see what comes up (also works for seeing if the guy trying to lawyer you out of a camp has a history of it) ^^

[applesauce25r624]

3) When will you people learn to use Escrow...seriously. Would have cost you ~10k and there is no way he could have scammed you. 10k compared to 400k+ isn't much of a investment for insurance.

shameless plug

jk jk :D

[Thulack]

shameless plug

jk jk :D

Oh it wasnt shameless at all. Bob plugs more then Wayne Rooney(you euros will get that one)

[baramur]

Blacklisting a toon is almost better then banning. Server turns on someone, they forced to quit or have a high tolerance. Saw it happen on live only 2 times, when you could loot someone's gear when consented. Both times the toons couldnt find groups, ports, nobody would sell them items, was amazing to watch.

[Clark]

I wonder if it's that crazy guy who bought Minyin and got banned.

[dwightgeary]

it not the same guy who scammed the MQ ... almost 100% sure

[Lanzellot]

I just wanted to warn everyone that these ex-TMO applicants (Lysergic + Tajin) are scammers. They joined the guild as applicants less than 3 weeks ago to utilize the TMO name to gain the trust of someone in EC. They then proceeded to fake a bard epic multiquest (Only ever done by TMO leadership, plus there's no way this guy had bard guts as a new applicant).

The person who got scammed (Kugfuk) - lost his epic items and the cash he paid to lysergic due to the scam. Freddi from Taken is a witness who also contacted me about this.

I hope that the GMs punish these scammers and reimburse Kugfuk's items. I feel bad that these assholes used the TMO reputation and abused it. This is the first time I've seen such scumbag applicants come through our doors. I intend to tighten the applicant process and will reimburse Kugfuk with compensation if the GMs choose to not pursue this scam and help him out.

1+++ zeelot and leadership from tmo

taijin got a tmo tag ,now is your mission to eliminate this bastard GL and i hope the scammed buddy get his stuff back ,but iam sure zeelot will help in the end out.
this isnt a job for a gm normally if you have luck they do it ,but a gms job is bann the bastard ,i speak to the big man Ambrassator with his bann hammer kill him

[Nuggets]

1) Duoed BW with this guy a few times. 1 pull, gets killed not zoning aggro. 1 pull, loots everything. 1 pull, gets me killed regening over 20%. No more lysergic pulls.

2) Another day, im duoing with a bard. I'm DPS. I'm zoning off aggro. Zone back in, and this faggot is AoE killstealing our entire swarm. Entire pull ruined.

3) Final encounter. I'm duoing with a bard. We don't let him trio for obvious reason. He asks for invite as we are already pulled & DPSing. Goes out and pulls a train, runs it over us a few times for aggro, and zones off. Double death (though we should have known what he was going to do and turned his train into our pull, we had too much faith. Believe he was FE tagged at this time. 1-2 months ago ish)

Genuine piece of shit.

PS: To this day, this guy still asks to duo BW...

[Lanzellot]

"We want the (gms) to comment in this thread bump"

jump back on side 1

[FenninEQaddict]

GMs as recent as 3 months ago were still banning scammers even though they no longer support MQ reimbursements.

So while I doubt they will reimburse due to the MQ factor hopefully they will step in and ban them for this. Its not like its questionable at this point if it happened. It is just whether the staff will make an example and do something about it.

[justin2090]

bumpity

Bring forth the hammer !!

[Lanzellot]

we are the court (the commmunity )when we cry loud enough they notice it and bann him.same happend to gaffin .......
let get us the server free from this scumbag shit .


bump side 1 again

[Aata]

I just wanted to warn everyone that these ex-TMO applicants (Lysergic + Tajin) are scammers. They joined the guild as applicants less than 3 weeks ago to utilize the TMO name to gain the trust of someone in EC. They then proceeded to fake a bard epic multiquest (Only ever done by TMO leadership, plus there's no way this guy had bard guts as a new applicant).

The person who got scammed (Kugfuk) - lost his epic items and the cash he paid to lysergic due to the scam. Freddi from Taken is a witness who also contacted me about this.

I hope that the GMs punish these scammers and reimburse Kugfuk's items. I feel bad that these assholes used the TMO reputation and abused it. This is the first time I've seen such scumbag applicants come through our doors. I intend to tighten the applicant process and will reimburse Kugfuk with compensation if the GMs choose to not pursue this scam and help him out.

+1 <3

[Tajin]

The guy handed in the wrong piece, he said he got the dragon mq from someone, assuming freddi... so we went to Forpar in SF for the hand ins....so we did the hand ins, i handed in my Mystical lute head, and he said he got the piece. so we went to DL to complete, i handed in all the rest of the pieces i had, page 24 top/bottom,25 and hes suppose to hand in the piece from Forpar. I petitioned and tried to get everything back but its whatever, i tried to help him, its not like i ignored him, id told him that id give him his pp(which he got lets just say via blackmarket) back once i hear from Rog, either good or bad. But i spose this the route taken. If this were EQ live back in prime i might have been upset about being "blacklisted" but since its not, ima enjoy my holidays, and hope yall do as well!!

http://www.quotes99.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/If-they-hate-then-let-em-hate-and-watch-the-money-pile-up.jpg

[BrendockMerryfoot]

Lysergic is also the high 50s paladin named Nuvar. Just in case he tries to do anything like that on another character.

*Edit: As you can see, he disputes this claim below. I have made a different post with my "evidence" but since I have no concrete proof, take it as you will. I think he's lying.

[Tajin]

Lysergic is also the high 50s paladin named Nuvar. Just in case he tries to do anything like that on another character.

Back when trading accounts was legal, i traded Tajin, and Nuvar..... So if yall are gonna hate, hate me... Don't take it out on the current owners.. They arent involved in this clusterfuck.... If not np, the world will go on and i Lysergic, will stay fabulous.






http://www.watchcartoononline.com/videoimg/The-Problem-Solverz-Episode-7-The-Mayan-Ice-Cream-Caper.jpg

[Argh]

The guy handed in the wrong piece, he said he got the dragon mq from someone, assuming freddi... so we went to Forpar in SF for the hand ins....so we did the hand ins, i handed in my Mystical lute head, and he said he got the piece. so we went to DL to complete, i handed in all the rest of the pieces i had, page 24 top/bottom,25 and hes suppose to hand in the piece from Forpar. I petitioned and tried to get everything back but its whatever, i tried to help him, its not like i ignored him, id told him that id give him his pp(which he got lets just say via blackmarket) back once i hear from Rog, either good or bad. But i spose this the route taken. If this were EQ live back in prime i might have been upset about being "blacklisted" but since its not, ima enjoy my holidays, and hope yall do as well!!

http://gifatron.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/george-costanza-message.gif

[mefdinkins]

I just want to mention the concept of 'moral hazard.' It's an economic theory that a party will take additional risks if the costs of the risk will not be felt by the party taking the risk.

Many people attribute the economic meltdown that started ~2008 to 'moral hazard. Banks were more willing to make risky economic investments because they knew the government would bail them out if their high risk investments failed.

It's concerning to me when high end guilds respond to someone who has been scammed on an MQ by giving them the MQ. Let's say down the line someone sees a "ESTABLISHED GUILD" tagged applicant selling a necro epic for 200k and they figure "hey if I get scammed "ESTABLISHED GUILD" will just MQ me my epic." It creates a situation where a lot of people are willing to take unnecessary MQ risks and the costs only falls on the 'established guilds.' There should be some level of personal responsibility while trying to get an MQ done.

I do not mean to comment on guild affairs or interfere with anyone's personal business, I do not have enough information to make any comment about the situation these parties are in, but I just wanted to mention something I found relevant.

[BrendockMerryfoot]

Well, if you aren't Nuvar still I apologize for throwing his name in. However, I grouped with both Lysergic and Nuvar in Crypt within the past 2-3 weeks (seperate groups, not at the same time) and BOTH characters had the pull message "Fuck The Miami Heat". When I saw that as Nuvar's pull message I mentioned something that happened in the previous group with Lysergic and, after playing dumb for a minute, he admitted it was the same person. Of course, I have no proof-- there was no need to screenshot something like that.

Edit: also, both chars have the behavior of immediately looting anything that drops and holding it until rolls are done.

[Lammy]

Lysergic owes me 5k from a football bet. Scumbag.

[IronShank]

i traded Tajin, and Nuvar..... So if yall are gonna hate, hate me... Don't take it out on the current owners.. They arent involved in this clusterfuck....

Well that's a pretty big piece of the puzzle.

[Spitty]

I just want to mention the concept of 'moral hazard.' It's an economic theory that a party will take additional risks if the costs of the risk will not be felt by the party taking the risk.

Many people attribute the economic meltdown that started ~2008 to 'moral hazard. Banks were more willing to make risky economic investments because they knew the government would bail them out if their high risk investments failed.

It's concerning to me when high end guilds respond to someone who has been scammed on an MQ by giving them the MQ. Let's say down the line someone sees a "ESTABLISHED GUILD" tagged applicant selling a necro epic for 200k and they figure "hey if I get scammed "ESTABLISHED GUILD" will just MQ me my epic." It creates a situation where a lot of people are willing to take unnecessary MQ risks and the costs only falls on the 'established guilds.' There should be some level of personal responsibility while trying to get an MQ done.

I do not mean to comment on guild affairs or interfere with anyone's personal business, I do not have enough information to make any comment about the situation these parties are in, but I just wanted to mention something I found relevant.

I'm saddened that this artifact of wisdom will ultimately be lost or nefariously implemented on this server.

[p99lover]

Perhaps a more thorough investigation to determine the guilty parties before making a public display of this.... "innocent until proven guilty?"

[Argh]

Perhaps a more thorough investigation to determine the guilty parties before making a public display of this.... "innocent until proven guilty?"

Lysergic had already been blacklisted by mostly everyone that has been in seb in the last month or so. In one day he managed to get blacklisted from 3 different guilds. A running joke in any group you were in would be somehing like, 'hey guys, got a rep for me, inv Lysergic'

[Ele]

Perhaps a more thorough investigation to determine the guilty parties before making a public display of this.... "innocent until proven guilty?"

When did a witch hunt ever hurt anyone?

[Zeelot]

The guy handed in the wrong piece, he said he got the dragon mq from someone, assuming freddi... so we went to Forpar in SF for the hand ins....so we did the hand ins, i handed in my Mystical lute head, and he said he got the piece. so we went to DL to complete, i handed in all the rest of the pieces i had, page 24 top/bottom,25 and hes suppose to hand in the piece from Forpar. I petitioned and tried to get everything back but its whatever, i tried to help him, its not like i ignored him, id told him that id give him his pp(which he got lets just say via blackmarket) back once i hear from Rog, either good or bad. But i spose this the route taken. If this were EQ live back in prime i might have been upset about being "blacklisted" but since its not, ima enjoy my holidays, and hope yall do as well!!

Screenshots don't match this story at all. You told Kugfuk the following:

http://i.imgur.com/bVnnOBr.png

Bard epic final turnin = "Give Page 24 top, page 24 bottom, page 25 and Forpar’s Lute to Baldric Slezaf, receive Singing Short Sword"

You never had forpor's lute, never handed it in, and scammed him. To make Forpar's lute you need Trak guts.

[Tajin]

Lysergic had already been blacklisted by mostly everyone that has been in seb in the last month or so. In one day he managed to get blacklisted from 3 different guilds. A running joke in any group you were in would be somehing like, 'hey guys, got a rep for me, inv Lysergic'


ive never had a prob gettin in a group especially crypt.. i know my play style is unorthadox and too pro for the less skilled player, but i def pulled my weight in groups. but lets not put ur g-a-y team and taken group and consider them mostly everyone in seb the last month, cause in the end i still got my plat/xp and many ppl admired my play style and even added me to friends cause of my pro play style...i dont think ive ever played with u Argh.. and if chain pulling is too much for a person in a game 14 years old... u need to take ur talents to KC

[dwightgeary]

i still think the person you kicked out zeelot is not the same guy who screwed the dude over on the MQ ........ i remember him awhile back and ive talked to him recently ... going bye a few things they say and the little slang they use i think they are from 2 diffrent parts of the country

[Zeelot]

i still think the person you kicked out zeelot is not the same guy who screwed the dude over on the MQ ........ i remember him awhile back and ive talked to him recently ... going bye a few things they say and the little slang they use i think they are from 2 diffrent parts of the country

Maybe it's not, but he definitely still has access to the account. Kugfuk explained to me that Lysergic (who was not a tagged TMO app at the time), went on the TMO app char Tajin to confirm he was in TMO. Unfortunately it wasn't known to him that he was a new applicant.

[Argh]

ive never had a prob gettin in a group especially crypt.. i know my play style is unorthadox and too pro for the less skilled player, but i def pulled my weight in groups. but lets not put ur g-a-y team and taken group and consider them mostly everyone in seb the last month, cause in the end i still got my plat/xp and many ppl admired my play style and even added me to friends cause of my pro play style...i dont think ive ever played with u Argh.. and if chain pulling is too much for a person in a game 14 years old... u need to take ur talents to KC

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/George-Costanza-Winking.gif

[sulpher01]

i know my play style is unorthadox and too pro for the less skilled player

^^ rofl...

And despite what he says, this guy still has nuvar and tajin.

[bizzum]

I am enjoying the amount of George in this thread.

[Spitty]

ive never had a prob gettin in a group especially crypt.. i know my play style is unorthadox and too pro for the less skilled player, but i def pulled my weight in groups. but lets not put ur g-a-y team and taken group and consider them mostly everyone in seb the last month, cause in the end i still got my plat/xp and many ppl admired my play style and even added me to friends cause of my pro play style...i dont think ive ever played with u Argh.. and if chain pulling is too much for a person in a game 14 years old... u need to take ur talents to KC

You can't even fucking use a keyboard to make words.

You expect us to believe you can command a bard properly? Get real.

[Autotune]

You can't even fucking use a keyboard to make words.

You expect us to believe you can command a bard properly? Get real.

How to bard properly.

Join a group with an enchanter or necro (or both)

put your mana and hp songs on repeat.

Go kill yourself, because no one is going to miss you anymore.

[Tajin]

i had the mystical lute head,bottom ,both 24 25... he told me he was paying xx amount of plat from someone to get the dragon pieces,... so we went to forpar, assuming he had the pieces ready..( i bought this account a while ago, and the epic pieces were already on him). so i charm forpar hand him the mystical head, he told me he had the piece.....i didnt know we skipped a part and he didnt tell me anything until i handed in all my pieces and everything was gone... We went to DL and he told me he had 24 top, so i handed in the bottom 24,25 and mystical lute bottom first and told him to hand in 24,. i was naive in thinking that i had him buy something that was not needed, and thought i was getting a good deal..so after everyhing i wanted to ask Rogean if there was anything that could be done before i proceeded to lose all the epic progression. and the plat.. u can ask him... his recollection of what happened, he never told me we skipped a part when we got to DL, it was a cluster fuck and i should have researched it more, but i was trying to get GM help

[Tajin]

Maybe it's not, but he definitely still has access to the account. Kugfuk explained to me that Lysergic (who was not a tagged TMO app at the time), went on the TMO app char Tajin to confirm he was in TMO. Unfortunately it wasn't known to him that he was a new applicant.

to new Tajin... im sorry u have to go thru this but i tried, i really dont have acess to that account.. but its not my problem sorry =\

[sulpher01]

i bought this account a while ago, and the epic pieces were already on him

lol... only excuse you could think of since there is no legitimate way you could have it?

[Tajin]

lol... only excuse you could think of since there is no legitimate way you could have it?

np... happy holidayz!

[Nune]

So this scammer has been tagged in TMO and FE in the last 3 months?


Shits classic. Grats upper echelon

[p99lover]

The scammer sold the account and didn't tell the new owner of the scam (obvi.. why would they?

Moral of the story? Some people are immoral.. deal with it

What will happen to the poor victim? ... victimized by an immoral seller and the greatest guild p99 has ever seen..

humans = fail

[Metallikus]

I think everyone is missing brain parts. You praise tmo for trying to maintain their reputation as an epic piece seller?

The problem is having to pay ridiculous amounts of plat to complete your epic in the first place.

These guilds hoard epic pieces to sell for plat by killing mobs they would have no reason to kill otherwise. Let the people finish their quests on their own.

What is epic about paying other people to do your quest for you?

Remove multi-questing from epic quests in my opinion.

What's wrong with a community that would rather deny others from enjoying the game than compromise their competitive style?

[Swish]

What will happen to the poor victim? ... victimized by an immoral seller and the greatest guild p99 has ever seen..

Clearly a TMO poster... I'd say its a matter of opinion :p

[skorge]

I just wanted to warn everyone that these ex-TMO applicants (Lysergic + Tajin) are scammers. They joined the guild as applicants less than 3 weeks ago to utilize the TMO name to gain the trust of someone in EC. They then proceeded to fake a bard epic multiquest (Only ever done by TMO leadership, plus there's no way this guy had bard guts as a new applicant).

The person who got scammed (Kugfuk) - lost his epic items and the cash he paid to lysergic due to the scam. Freddi from Taken is a witness who also contacted me about this.

I hope that the GMs punish these scammers and reimburse Kugfuk's items. I feel bad that these assholes used the TMO reputation and abused it. This is the first time I've seen such scumbag applicants come through our doors. I intend to tighten the applicant process and will reimburse Kugfuk with compensation if the GMs choose to not pursue this scam and help him out.

The problem is, people need to be more aware that these high-end MQs go through TMO leadership only. As a purchaser of Soul Leech via TMO (Eccezan seller and Necrious? the quester) everything went smooth, but I can honestly see someone fucking it up who has NO clue on how to MQ it properly.

When Tajin says there was an error I can believe that, if you aren't trained to do these turn-ins it's highly possible to fuck it up for the other person.

Maybe you should stress that on your private guildpage and on the EC forum threads that are made for high-end MQs.

Also I want to say that is nice of you offering to take action if the GMs do not intervene. I hope the GMs do, however.

[darkonites]

this is Kugfuk ive seen the logs from the turn in and it is confirmed 100% SCAM please beware

[SCB]

Remove epic MQ, problem solves itself.

[gooliusboozler]

I am enjoying the amount of George in this thread.

^ x2
I vote Kugfuk. He got scammed by someone using the TMO tag to their advantage, end of story. Just watch - he'll try to sell his account again and buy another with the plat he made off of scamming, and do it all over again. JUST WATCH. Lysergic is probably a drug addict too (one can only assume)

[gooliusboozler]

I think everyone is missing brain parts. You praise tmo for trying to maintain their reputation as an epic piece seller?

The problem is having to pay ridiculous amounts of plat to complete your epic in the first place.

These guilds hoard epic pieces to sell for plat by killing mobs they would have no reason to kill otherwise. Let the people finish their quests on their own.

What is epic about paying other people to do your quest for you?

Remove multi-questing from epic quests in my opinion.

What's wrong with a community that would rather deny others from enjoying the game than compromise their competitive style?


I agree

[Argh]

I'm thankful for this thread

[orsk]

Remove epic MQ, problem solves itself.

Yes Epic MQs should be bannable offense same as account trades, especially since the account trades was made bannable so quickly.

[Pint]

I'm thankful epic MQs will never be removed

[Kender]

Yes Epic MQs should be bannable offense same as account trades, especially since the account trades was made bannable so quickly.

except yu werent allowed to trade accounts on live (although it was still done) and you could MQ any quest (due to devs being lazy. MQ was actually a bug they never bothered to fix)

[Caravelle1]

WOW. I JUST GOT SCAMMED FOR 45000 PLAT, WISH I SAW THIS SOONER... FUCK U TMO...

[sanforce]

Remove epic MQ, problem solves itself.

That might be what you think. But a more likely scenario would be one of these:

1. have lower level alts ready to loot the epic items when it drops
2. immediately sell the item to the highest none competing bidder when the epic item drops
3. delete the item

[Swish]

Can't ban laziness... as much as I'd like to see it done, people always find a way.

[SCB]

That might be what you think. But a more likely scenario would be one of these:

1. have lower level alts ready to loot the epic items when it drops
2. immediately sell the item to the highest none competing bidder when the epic item drops
3. delete the item

That's a lot harder to scam on, and involves the player attending the epic fight. I have no problem with it.

[Arteker]

except yu werent allowed to trade accounts on live (although it was still done) and you could MQ any quest (due to devs being lazy. MQ was actually a bug they never bothered to fix)

they fixed some of mqs one example was the velious armour and solstice earring.

[Vohl]

Velious armor MQ was part of Norrath's thriving economy. Any item SOE didn't want MQable simply used a container combine with a bunch of No Drop items.