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[Sirken]

We brought up the possibility of completely disbanding The Mystical Order. Personally, I find it hard to believe that TMO leadership was not aware or suspicious of this happening.

Get rid of this scourge on our server.

i smell personal bias. go take a shower and wash it off.

reread this bit Hawala - dont just pick and choose which parts to let your brain digest. this thread doesn't exist for you to spin things in a way in which you prefer. this thread exists to let the community know that duping will not be tolerated. that duping can and will get you AND your friends in trouble. and that sharing info is always dangerous.
err.. we can tell who is who, and we can tell who is on who's account, so i dont see how that matters. as far as not allowing more than one account, theres really no way to stop someone from making email addys and creating new eqemu accounts. as far as people not being allowed to reroll, you're missing the point. we are banning the accounts, not the people. most of the people did absolutely nothing wrong other than share their info. most of the accounts weren't even used in a malicious manner, just simply the guy logged in to rezz or port a friend. and Rogean even addresses that when he says;
"While most of these accounts are owned by other players who may have had no knowledge of the actions of the people they were sharing their accounts with"

[dwightgeary]

i bet this was a virtual blowjob for ephi ? be honest sirken .. what was his reaction when ya told em

[pharmakos]

im sure they did a huge server sweep before making a announcement like this..... nobody is out to get TMO ... TMO was just on the radar more than others but it would probably be fair if you released some info on the other accounts that were banned ?

yeah, i'm really curious about who the 20 non-TMO accounts were

in the sake of fairness, should the guild tags from those accounts be publicly disclosed?

[Barkingturtle]

and that sharing info is always dangerous.

I guess I have trouble seeing this aspect. It almost seems as if sharing info is a means of insulating accounts from the harshest punishments. I think there is a sense that staff is hesitant to ban large swaths of players, so evildoers can spread their deeds out and when the hammer comes down it does so on only a select few fall-guys.

I'm not meaning to suggest any complicity by staff. Rather, I don't envy the decisions you guys are forced to make, at all.

Personally though, I'd favor less shades of gray and more zero tolerance. I don't feel like I've ever seen an example made of anyone around here. I think more people need to realize it's a privilege to play on P99 -- particularly some of the people who play the most. Walk the line or get bant. No mercy; no more shades of gray.

[Hawala]

Sirken. Why are you sticking up for those jerks? I'm not really picking and choosing pieces, it's called quoting. And it's not even taking anything out of context. TMO is trash.

[Sirken]

I guess I have trouble seeing this aspect. It almost seems as if sharing info is a means of insulating accounts from the harshest punishments. I think there is a sense that staff is hesitant to ban large swaths of players, so evildoers can spread their deeds out and when the hammer comes down it does so on only a select few fall-guys.

I'm not meaning to suggest any complicity by staff. Rather, I don't envy the decisions you guys are forced to make, at all.

Personally though, I'd favor less shades of gray and more zero tolerance. I don't feel like I've ever seen an example made of anyone around here. I think more people need to realize it's a privilege to play on P99 -- particularly some of the people who play the most. Walk the line or get bant. No mercy; no more shades of gray.
sharing doesnt give u protection because we can see who did what on each account. theres no really no way around that. and we aren't going to ban innocent people. we are however going to try and use this as an example of what can happen when you share your info. Any account that was in fact used for malicious purposes will remain banned. the only accounts that will have their bans knocked back to suspensions are the ones we can prove were not used to dupe.

Sirken. Why are you sticking up for those jerks? I'm not really picking and choosing pieces, it's called quoting. And it's not even taking anything out of context. TMO is trash.
i stand up for fairness and for justice. Rogean clearly said it was limited to a few people, and that most of the banned accounts are innocent and were not involved in the duping. to you that translates as GuildA is full of scumbags and should be removed from the server, but in actuality thats not even remotely close to what was said.

[Reguiy]

i stand up for fairness and for justice.

I love it when you talk dirty.

[Barkingturtle]

sharing doesnt give u protection because we can see who did what on each account. theres no really no way around that. and we aren't going to ban innocent people.

I get what you mean, it just seems contradictory to me. I think it's because I have a hard time seeing someone who shares their account as purely innocent. There's a lot of reward in sharing and not a commensurate amount of risk, imo. I think that's revealed in the sheer volume of accounts some individuals can access. People aren't afraid enough of losing their stuff. Man this server needs some fear. I hope this does it.

Thanks for clarifying, Sirken. Best of luck to you dudes.

[Heebo]

Rogean clearly said it was limited to a few people, and that most of the banned accounts are innocent and were not involved in the duping. to you that translates as GuildA is full of scumbags and should be removed from the server, but in actuality thats not even remotely close to what was said.

[Missingo]

How many accounts were purchased with the dupe? Accounts that allowed them to dominate the raid scene for what seems like forever

[Orruar]

hmmm

Disbanding and removing are two separate verbs.

[MaksimMazor]

2 week Winter break, then continue to slay dragons.

[Sirken]

How many accounts were purchased with the dupe? Accounts that allowed them to dominate the raid scene for what seems like forever
probably zero. we can see when it was first abused, how many times it was abused, etc. and it started after account selling/trading was made against the rules.


hmmm
yes, every option was considered. and if the core/leadership/officers/raidleader types were involved, or, if they were aware of it, we would have disbanded the guild. however based on the information we have, we do not believe that to be the case, and we did not think it would be suitable to disband a guild based on those terms.

[Shinko]

<The Mystical Order 2> LFM

[kbnexus]

<The Mystical Order 2> LFM

<Inglourious Bastards>

[justin2090]

<The Mystical Order 2> LFM

The Mystical Ten Percent

[cyryllis]

lol i like how rnf posts are so many peoples foundation to build arguments outside of that playground

(not a big rnf player, as you can tell, but you are supposed to keep a certain tone and demeanor there, if you werent aware of the rules /s)

[Widan]

probably zero. we can see when it was first abused, how many times it was abused, etc. and it started after account selling/trading was made against the rules.


Is this the lag duping that was happening from the DDOS attacks a few months ago? If not was anything ever done about the duping happening then?

[Reguiy]

The Mystical Ten Percent

<Eighty Sixed>
If you ever worked in a restaurant, you know what I'm talkin bout.

[Swifty]

i once buffed a person that is now banned for duping, you should really look into my account.

[Rellapse36]

rustled ^

[Pringles]

probably zero. we can see when it was first abused, how many times it was abused, etc. and it started after account selling/trading was made against the rules.


I'm not so sure TMO follows the rules...... <3

[heazels]

sorry, but you'd be guessing wrong.





err.. we can tell who is who, and we can tell who is on who's account, so i dont see how that matters. as far as not allowing more than one account, theres really no way to stop someone from making email addys and creating new eqemu accounts. as far as people not being allowed to reroll, you're missing the point. we are banning the accounts, not the people. most of the people did absolutely nothing wrong other than share their info. most of the accounts weren't even used in a malicious manner, just simply the guy logged in to rezz or port a friend. and Rogean even addresses that when he says;

that being said, Duping is one of the absolute worst things a player can do. it doesn't even compare to things like Raid Interference, RMT, Scamming, etc. Duping is treated more in line with hacking the server, DDoSing, etc. those actually guilty people will not be allowed to reroll. that being said, witch hunting and perma banning innocent players is not how we do things here, regardless of how much anyone hates the guild in question, or blames them for their own lack of pixels. hopefully most of these players will stop sharing info with people they dont know in RL, because this could have all been avoided for most of these accounts.

How do you know that the duping did not fund the creation of TMO's 100 alt army??? Has rogean checked the paper trail? Somone in Dolojo recently told me someone had funded them coming to this server...all of them having hundreds of k in plat to be power leveled to 60. Is this plat involved in the duping? TMO often paid for plevel. Is this plat from duping? how do you know??

[Swifty]

How do you know that the duping did not fund the creation of TMO's 100 alt army??? Has rogean checked the paper trail? Somone in Dolojo recently told me someone had funded them coming to this server...all of them having hundreds of k in plat to be power leveled to 60. Is this plat involved in the duping? TMO often paid for plevel. Is this plat from duping? how do you know??

/tin foil hat

[Pint]

How do you know that the duping did not fund the creation of TMO's 100 alt army??? Has rogean checked the paper trail? Somone in Dolojo recently told me someone had funded them coming to this server...all of them having hundreds of k in plat to be power leveled to 60. Is this plat involved in the duping? TMO often paid for plevel. Is this plat from duping? how do you know??

everyone knows doljo traded ib an eqmac pixel package for a p99 pixel package back when they swapped servers, duhhh

[Fountree]

After letting this post settle in for awhile, I've come to the conclusion that this post by Rogean has damaged the in-game reputations of countless people in TMO and outside of TMO who didn't in fact cheat or do anything wrong besides give their info out to someone they trusted but was in-fact breaking server rules. Call it what you want but the decision to punish us this way imo isn't an objective decision - this was a decision meant to destroy a guild for 3 people's actions. Yes, there are people who need bans especially if specific evidence was provided to our guildleaders and the community. My characters were not banned and I didn't knowingly associate with cheaters or dupers. Yet the guild name is now destroyed because of this angry reaction. Was this meant shake things up at the top? Unless the basic philosophy of the raiding scene on this server is changed in detail (waiting for Nilbog and Rogean comments on how that will go specifically - enforced rotation, etc.), nothing is going to change. There will just be another raid guild on top dominating in 6 months, probably with no Velious still. If it doesn't exist now it will be created in the future.

[Rellapse36]

Rip Tmo you had the chance to create a good thing while you farmed content uncontested for years, You chose to be toxic and cheat. You all got what you deserved. Pras Rogean for taking 1 step to making this server playable once again!

[Zereh]

Can we move on to some 2000 drama? 1999 is playedthefuckout.

[odiecat99]

Rogean, and staff: Great job

Sean, I owe you a beer and a taco for this one. It is great seeing you finally take the trash out to the curb, where it belongs.

I am FE myself, but I look forward being involved in a friendly raid rotation with the smaller (still solid) guilds on the server. (This is my opinion, personally, I don't know if a rotation will happen or not).

Again folks. Great work.




NAMES PLEASE~ WALL OF SHAME~

Coal in their frickin stockings. dirty sanchez's all 'round.

[odiecat99]

After letting this post settle in for awhile, I've come to the conclusion that this post by Rogean has damaged the in-game reputations of countless people in TMO and outside of TMO who didn't in fact cheat or do anything wrong besides give their info out to someone they trusted but was in-fact breaking server rules. Call it what you want but the decision to punish us this way imo isn't an objective decision - this was a decision meant to destroy a guild for 3 people's actions. Yes, there are people who need bans especially if specific evidence was provided to our guildleaders and the community. My characters were not banned and I didn't knowingly associate with cheaters or dupers. Yet the guild name is now destroyed because of this angry reaction. Was this meant shake things up at the top? Unless the basic philosophy of the raiding scene on this server is changed in detail (waiting for Nilbog and Rogean comments on how that will go specifically - enforced rotation, etc.), nothing is going to change. There will just be another raid guild on top dominating in 6 months, probably with no Velious still. If it doesn't exist now it will be created in the future.

You guys cheated.
You as in TMO.

The Tag you wear also reflects on you.
Tell me you had no idea? loll..llll....ooo..llll

[citizen1080]

Good work all around Rogean. Server raid scene has been toxic for a very long time (and no i'm not just talking about TMO, all the guilds need to grow up and work together. Cockblocking other guilds and general asshatery was fun and all when we were all 14 years old but guess what, we have all grown up and are adults now. We should be able to be better than classic...not worse. Hope this is the start of something good.

[Orruar]

After letting this post settle in for awhile, I've come to the conclusion that this post by Rogean has damaged the in-game reputations of countless people in TMO and outside of TMO who didn't in fact cheat or do anything wrong besides give their info out to someone they trusted but was in-fact breaking server rules. Call it what you want but the decision to punish us this way imo isn't an objective decision - this was a decision meant to destroy a guild for 3 people's actions. Yes, there are people who need bans especially if specific evidence was provided to our guildleaders and the community. My characters were not banned and I didn't knowingly associate with cheaters or dupers. Yet the guild name is now destroyed because of this angry reaction. Was this meant shake things up at the top? Unless the basic philosophy of the raiding scene on this server is changed in detail (waiting for Nilbog and Rogean comments on how that will go specifically - enforced rotation, etc.), nothing is going to change. There will just be another raid guild on top dominating in 6 months, probably with no Velious still. If it doesn't exist now it will be created in the future.

I'm going to keep this civil since it's in the news section.

Please re-read Rogean's post and realize it wasn't just the actions of 3 people that led to where you're at now. The actions of dozens of people have been judged here. If you think you're going to come back from a suspension and do the same things you did the in past, but with 3 fewer people, you're going to be even more sore later. Your toxic attitude towards raiding will not be accepted going forward.

[Aaron]

After letting this post settle in for awhile, I've come to the conclusion that this post by Rogean has damaged the in-game reputations of countless people in TMO and outside of TMO who didn't in fact cheat or do anything wrong besides give their info out to someone they trusted but was in-fact breaking server rules. Call it what you want but the decision to punish us this way imo isn't an objective decision - this was a decision meant to destroy a guild for 3 people's actions. Yes, there are people who need bans especially if specific evidence was provided to our guildleaders and the community. My characters were not banned and I didn't knowingly associate with cheaters or dupers. Yet the guild name is now destroyed because of this angry reaction. Was this meant shake things up at the top? Unless the basic philosophy of the raiding scene on this server is changed in detail (waiting for Nilbog and Rogean comments on how that will go specifically - enforced rotation, etc.), nothing is going to change. There will just be another raid guild on top dominating in 6 months, probably with no Velious still. If it doesn't exist now it will be created in the future.

If you read the post, the toxic raid atmosphere promoted and perpetuated by TMO is also on blast.

Every single member is guilty of this. Even you.

[JackFlash]

(waiting for Nilbog and Rogean comments on how that will go specifically - enforced rotation, etc.),

They already commented. Either shape up or velious will be released without raid content. They want us to grow up and do it ourselves.

[Trelaboon]

I think taking away raid content, would just increase the amount of TMO and BDA douche baggery that happens at all non-raid, awesome loot camps. Otherwise, I LOVE this post; thanks so much for keeping this stuff classic!

[pharmakos]

we have all grown up and are adults now. We should be able to be better than classic...not worse.

quoted for truth

[planeofdreams]

This server is the best.

[Xelris]

The two dupers... are you banning MAC addresses as well as IP? Money can make people surprisingly resilient.

[SamwiseRed]

Ban em all. That is all

[citizen1080]

The two dupers... are you banning MAC addresses as well as IP? Money can make people surprisingly resilient.

There is no way to keep them off the server if they don't want to be kept off. MAC addresses can be spoofed. IP's can be changed, VPN's can be used.

[Pyrocat]

I love you guys

[Muerte]

Wow, 86 accounts, unreal.

It would be interesting to see what percentage of the guild this accounts for. If there were 344 tagged members that would still be 25% of the guild, which is appalling. I don't know how big the guild is but I doubt it's that big? This could be like half the guild, maybe more?

Also who still gives out their account info? MMORPGS have been around for a long time, after all the drama/issues you should learn to trust nobody with your info...

Nuts.

[Calibix]

This post is going to make me play P99 again.

[Calibix]

Wow, 86 accounts, unreal.

It would be interesting to see what percentage of the guild this accounts for. If there were 344 tagged members that would still be 25% of the guild, which is appalling. I don't know how big the guild is but I doubt it's that big? This could be like half the guild, maybe more?

Also who still gives out their account info? MMORPGS have been around for a long time, after all the drama/issues you should learn to trust nobody with your info...

Nuts.

Happens all the time within guilds. I could log onto tons of my friends accounts in whatever game currently, and I completely trust said friends with my info as well. Its just the type of people you associate with I guess.

[Protork1]

My account which had my old ranger Protork got banned.

I'm ok with it. My mistake was letting TMO use it as a tracker when I quit the game.

Merging Evil Empire with TMO was a rather poor move on my part.

[Thulack]

Wow, 86 accounts, unreal.

It would be interesting to see what percentage of the guild this accounts for. If there were 344 tagged members that would still be 25% of the guild, which is appalling. I don't know how big the guild is but I doubt it's that big? This could be like half the guild, maybe more?

Also who still gives out their account info? MMORPGS have been around for a long time, after all the drama/issues you should learn to trust nobody with your info...

Nuts.

Pretty sure TMO has/had a roster over 600+ toons.

[Muerte]

Pretty sure TMO has/had a roster over 600+ toons.

Woah!

[YendorLootmonkey]

Merging Evil Empire with TMO was a rather poor move on my part.

From a purely guildname perspective it made sense.

[bluejam]

high hopes for the future :/
This is ridiculous though.
just shows the sociopathic mindset these people are in. sad really.

huge lol @ rnf though. disgonnabegud.gif

[Conky]

When a player playing a team sport does something against the rules he receives a penalty which affects the team as well, when a hockey player uses an illegal stick and receives a penalty, the team then plays 4 against 5 for the duration of the penalty, same with soccer and every other team sport, the team suffers from the action of 1 player. Ive never seen any coach saying "thats not fair, it was only 1 player why is the whole team being punished?" or threatning to disband the team or pull out of the game.

If you choose to give someone your account info thats your problem, you chose to trust them with that info and now pay the price for that decision.

I never had anything against TMO since ive played on this server but the way you handled this was probably the worst way you could of done it. What you should of done was give an apoligy for the actions of the 2 members that screwed you and take your suspension like grown ups.

[Alkorin]

Merging Evil Empire with TMO was a rather poor move on my part.

I should check if I'm banned. If not, Evil Empire lives on!

[Rheaume]

From my point of view, much of the account sharing, raiding monopoly problem, and economy inflation all stem from a primary thing:

Accounts here are free and unlimited.

Back in Classic, truly there were people with multiple accounts, but not anywhere near like it is on P99 where anyone can have as many as they like.

Free, multiple accounts =
More sharing. It's a minor inconvenience if someone violates trust on an 11th account that is seldom used. In Classic, that account (for which you were paying $15/mo) represented your online identity and reputation, huge investment of time, and was cherished. Clearly, removing the cost devalues it considerably.

Free, multiple accounts =
Incentive to level many characters and equip them (hence hoarding all raid bosses for 4th alts) in order to share for tracking, rezzing, porting, and camping high value mobs (epic MQs) etc. This further increases the ability to hoard the raid scene.

A monopolized raid scene results in inflation.

Signed,
A 30 day newb.

[Twowordz]

o.O

[olderj]

From my point of view, much of the account sharing, raiding monopoly problem, and economy inflation all stem from a primary thing:

Accounts here are free and unlimited.

Back in Classic, truly there were people with multiple accounts, but not anywhere near like it is on P99 where anyone can have as many as they like.

Free, multiple accounts =
More sharing. It's a minor inconvenience if someone violates trust on an 11th account that is seldom used. In Classic, that account (for which you were paying $15/mo) represented your online identity and reputation, huge investment of time, and was cherished. Clearly, removing the cost devalues it considerably.

Free, multiple accounts =
Incentive to level many characters and equip them (hence hoarding all raid bosses for 4th alts) in order to share for tracking, rezzing, porting, and camping high value mobs (epic MQs) etc. This further increases the ability to hoard the raid scene.

A monopolized raid scene results in inflation.

Signed,
A 30 day newb.

A wise assessment. A classic server with one account per person would interest me. Not sure how it could be implemented.

[Psycher]

This makes me so happy

[Frieza_Prexus]

A wise assessment. A classic server with one account per person would interest me. Not sure how it could be implemented.

Through the use of Rogean's SMS verification system. it will not completely eliminate multiple accounts per a person, however it will make it significantly more difficult as each account will require a unique cell phone #.

[daebak]

Having not played in several months, and then coming back and seeing this post, I can't stop laughing. Here's the thing, I have friends in TMO and I know some TMO people personally. I can tell you that there is absolutely no way that there was no knowledge at all by at least ONE person higher up in TMO. They will claim ignorance and they will claim injustice and they will cry and whine and play new games, but you broke the rules. You (as a guild) broke the server rules. It's like the Duck People drama, the channel that has that show has to view it from a business perspective. They will lose advertisers over idiots. You guys being the idiots on this occasion decided to share your pixels among each other. While admirable, did you not think something like this could possibly happen and make your guild look bad? If you didn't, shame on your leadership. Honestly, stop crying about what happened and take action to fix it or just leave the server. OF COURSE another guild will start dominate just as you have. OF COURSE they will be as hated as you guys in six months. And if this happens to them, they should revolt against their leaders or just not be as FUCKING STUPID and share your accounts with people you don't know. All of TMO needs to watch the Oprah specials on little children being offered candy by creepers to be lured into the back of a van. Because that's what you did with your accounts, and you deserve way worse then the OBVIOUS leniency that has been shown by the GM's here (that I would argue is simply because they didn't want to lose all the TMO players). Be grateful the "innocent players" are allowed to keep their accounts. They are not innocent at all if they shared their account with some random d-bag sitting in a dark room in a basement eating doritos and playing a game that is over a decade old 18 hours a day. It is your own fault. Use common sense, and stop blaming others for your own problems.

[Splorf22]

Through the use of Rogean's SMS verification system. it will not completely eliminate multiple accounts per a person, however it will make it significantly more difficult as each account will require a unique cell phone #.

I would totally support a transfer to this system. Just have a 1 week grace period so people could shuffle around their accounts to all be on one login server account.

[daebak]

please never post again.

Aw, does the truth hurt? The only people who sympathize with these people are themselves. I'm not sure if you even took the time to read every post, but the general consensus was that this "punishment" is weak.

[Malimus]

So glad to see you taking out the trash on this server Devs... The server should not be one guild full of asshats personal playground. Cheat/hack/asshat guilds should be disbanded and all cheaters perma banned.

I love this server! Just tired of the douchbaggery and idiots and its good to see you guys taking action against this stuff.


Thanks Devs!
Long live project 1999!

[radditsu]

Through the use of Rogean's SMS verification system. it will not completely eliminate multiple accounts per a person, however it will make it significantly more difficult as each account will require a unique cell phone #.

Pinger ...google voice....a few ways to get around it. But I like it as another method of verification still.

[Ravager]

Through the use of Rogean's SMS verification system. it will not completely eliminate multiple accounts per a person, however it will make it significantly more difficult as each account will require a unique cell phone #.

At any rate, this should curb the problem of multiple accounts seeing as it'll make it harder to share them.

[Tewaz]

Redemption!

[happyhappy]

Through the use of Rogean's SMS verification system. it will not completely eliminate multiple accounts per a person, however it will make it significantly more difficult as each account will require a unique cell phone #.

5 old nokia phone each on a "by the minute" plan should run you about 5 dollars a month.

As much as I want multiple accounts to go, SMS verification would only make it worse.

[moklianne]

We brought up the possibility of completely disbanding The Mystical Order.


Sounds almost like Rogean is taking a page out of the book of a current anime: Log Horizon. ;)

[talian21]

We brought up the possibility of completely disbanding The Mystical Order.

Nice thought, except for the fact they were given their tag back... just saw a TMO guildtag in EC...





-Silisk, ikky necro

[Champion_Standing]

Well I am glad to see that you are finally done letting the shitheads take over your server. But it is just too little too late IMO. Too many other incidents have been let slip by, there was a constant undertone of the staff being afraid to take hard line stances like this in the past. You let hundreds of cheaters that you caught back onto the server because you were afraid of it hurting the population. You could have easily started throwing out bans from the get go and the raid scene would never have degraded into what it has been for well.... pretty much the entire life of this server.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-CjGwcCES-sE/Uh8QXovdtOI/AAAAAAAAOvs/0P7rB0GcUgs/s400/tumblr_mbfv5xgDfo1qm44fco1_400.gif

[Rogean]

^^ confirmed ddoser

[JerSar]

^^ confirmed ddoser

:O

[Droll]

Do not unban any of these accounts.

Most individuals must have been well aware of these actions.

They deserve to be punished! 2 - 4 weeks is nothing.

[Alukit Vassago]

From my point of view, much of the account sharing, raiding monopoly problem, and economy inflation all stem from a primary thing:

Accounts here are free and unlimited.

Back in Classic, truly there were people with multiple accounts, but not anywhere near like it is on P99 where anyone can have as many as they like.

Free, multiple accounts =
More sharing. It's a minor inconvenience if someone violates trust on an 11th account that is seldom used. In Classic, that account (for which you were paying $15/mo) represented your online identity and reputation, huge investment of time, and was cherished. Clearly, removing the cost devalues it considerably.

Free, multiple accounts =
Incentive to level many characters and equip them (hence hoarding all raid bosses for 4th alts) in order to share for tracking, rezzing, porting, and camping high value mobs (epic MQs) etc. This further increases the ability to hoard the raid scene.

A monopolized raid scene results in inflation.

Signed,
A 30 day newb.

got to say it sounds like a perfect idea but then again people will always have alts since in classic & in all mmo's in general you do get more then one slot for characters, so we have eight slots, so only limiting one account is kinda a moot point for helping control this issue. also with a sms their is services like google voice etc. so that whole thing doesn't seem to stop anything. just my thoughts on this ideal you got there

[baalzy]

got to say it sounds like a perfect idea but then again people will always have alts since in classic & in all mmo's in general you do get more then one slot for characters, so we have eight slots, so only limiting one account is kinda a moot point for helping control this issue. also with a sms their is services like google voice etc. so that whole thing doesn't seem to stop anything. just my thoughts on this ideal you got there

Moot point? Think a little bit harder about the ability to let another person log into an account that you 'own' in order to bolster a kill-squad at a raid target.

Really think about it. If you're already in zone on your warrior and your guild needs another cleric, and you happen to have a cleric on another account.... what could possibly be done with that cleric if you have too many rangers in zone?

Now, imagine if that cleric was on the same account as your warrior and your warrior was just as needed as the cleric?

I'm not going to give you the answer, but it should be obvious.

The logistics of limiting accounts to real existing people obviously is an extremely difficult/nearly impossible problem but if it were somehow to happen it would have a very real effect on the ability to dominate the raid scene.

[Alukit Vassago]

Moot point? Think a little bit harder about the ability to let another person log into an account that you 'own' in order to bolster a kill-squad at a raid target.

Really think about it. If you're already in zone on your warrior and your guild needs another cleric, and you happen to have a cleric on another account.... what could possibly be done with that cleric if you have too many rangers in zone?

Now, imagine if that cleric was on the same account as your warrior and your warrior was just as needed as the cleric?

I'm not going to give you the answer, but it should be obvious.

The logistics of limiting accounts to real existing people obviously is an extremely difficult/nearly impossible problem but if it were somehow to happen it would have a very real effect on the ability to dominate the raid scene.

tbh that is just one of those perfect instant of how doing it would help but lets say you got your cleric parked at mob a in zone a but your warrior is on at mob z in zone b, how does limiting stop that plus there will be others whom will fill your slot for the warrior. you just thinking on one level of the issue & not looking at it at a outside view & the core reason he in his post was about the fact people are gearing their 4th 5th etc alts, you do get that in just one account, only thing that could be effected is the able to be able to allow friends to uses your account to get a rez/port or so but you can find another way

[Systolic]

All I have to say is

I TOLD YOU SO

[Champion_Standing]

^^ confirmed ddoser

It's a fact.


Seriously though Rogean I do appreciate what you guys have done here. I just wish you would have taken this stance, especially about raiding, a lot sooner.

[Fjolvar]

I propose that everyone now refuses to group with anyone holding a TMO guild tag. Let this guild shame itself out of existence.

[quido]

TMO didn't make the rules - they just won under them.

[Nocsucow]

TMO didn't make the rules - they just won under them.

[kaev]

TMO didn't make the rules - they just won under them.

Translation: TMO so thoroughly and relentlessly undermined and rejected the spirit of the server rules that the server admin, quite literally tolerant to a fault, finally had to call them out for their douchbaggery and slap them down.

[insertname]

Cant you look into the tcp/ip stack and ban their mac address?

[Asher]

WOW!

Rogean, what took you so long? This shit was the reason countless people including myself quit.

BRAVO!

I hope the server doubles its population now.

It was the reason I quit.

Now all we need is a new server that isn't plagued by the artifacts of duping and exploiting and I am ready to reroll.

It is a much better idea that a silly Teams99 server. Who plays on red anyways?

Anguish - Troll Oracle

[Derubael]

plagued by the artifacts of duping and exploiting

its not. time to reroll :D

[Asher]

its not. time to reroll :D

How long were people allowed to exploit the King camp in Sebilis via the invis bug?

I have assisted in bringing at least 50 fungi tunics onto the server via this method and I am willing to bet over 1000 have flowed onto the server because of this.

Are you going to remove all of the duped plat from the economy? That wouldn't be fair to all those that were dealing honestly and received this plat.

Anguish - Troll Oracle

[pharmakos]

yeah, there is a good point about server being tainted by dupes and exploits.

should we wipe it though? no

is P99 v2.0 going to be better, if it ever happens? i think so, yes.

[knix]

Do not unban any of these accounts.

Most individuals must have been well aware of these actions.

They deserve to be punished! 2 - 4 weeks is nothing.

The 2 people in question knew that they would be out of TMO if anyone knew that they were duping items. None of us knew, and If you read Rogean's post YOU WILL SEE that He says that Most of the accounts are innocent of any wrongdoing. We are being suspended for letting someone log into our account (perhaps to get them out of a kos raid zone or rez people).

I thought the risk I was taking was that If they stole my items, or did something against server rules WHILE they were on my Character, I would be punished or suffer the loss of the item (s).
Rogean wants us all to know and he is sending a clear messages that if you share your Account information that you will be held liable for anything that person has done in since the creation of his (her) account IF it is as severe as duping items.

All I have to say is

I TOLD YOU SO

Systolic You are a silly little man, did you read, 2 of the 3 people out of 150 (active TMO) were involved in this. TMO has no culture of cheating the server. There is no massive hack that TMO has done. TMO's bank is secure, Items are all accounted for and there is no exploiting. So, exactly what are you thinking that you predicted.

I propose that everyone now refuses to group with anyone holding a TMO guild tag. Let this guild shame itself out of existence.

Why would you propose such a thing, I think its because you didn't read Rogean's post to which you are responding carefully. Please re read it. Then if you truly believe what you are posting, be a Man and post your in game name so we can know who to avoid. I certainly don't want to help someone who desires to make me a pariah.

[toosweet]

Of all the accounts that got banned because they were linked to the '2' cheaters are we all supposed to believe no one knew?
Every one of the other 84 accounts were just innocent bystanders and had no clue?
Or is that the plea they taking hoping the GM's believe it?
I find it impossible to believe that you people with banned accounts had no idea...84 of you with not a clue?

You guys are not that dumb

[pharmakos]

i really don't think there was a mass-conspiracy in TMO

too many people in that guild, including at least a few internet white knights

someone would have squealed

[knix]

Of all the accounts that got banned because they were linked to the '2' cheaters are we all supposed to believe no one knew?
Every one of the other 84 accounts were just innocent bystanders and had no clue?
Or is that the plea they taking hoping the GM's believe it?
I find it impossible to believe that you people with banned accounts had no idea...84 of you with not a clue?

You guys are not that dumb

of the 86 accounts, 8-12 probably belong to Froovs and Node which will be perma banned.

Innocent are , 5-9 are owned by members and used by the guild as trackers/coth taggers. Both Froovs and Node are Long time members who over the years had been given access to others accounts to accomplish certain tasks (getting a char out of kos zone, rezing people, running the char to get a loot that dropped that was going to rot etc.) He/they did not use others accounts (to the best of my knowledge) for whatever duping they were doing. The rest of the accounts belongs to TMO and others, who had no idea that there was any duping going on.

There was no conspiracy, because Froovs and Node knew TMO would remove them from the guild if it was known. They hid it well, they didn't have the outward appearance of exceptional in game wealth.

These many accounts, the owners are guilty of allowing someone else to log on to, and thus, since the two had done bannable things on their own accounts, our accounts have to be "audited" so to speak to make sure that we are innocent as we are claiming. It might be just me but, 3 years of potential transactions, per 70+ accounts 2-4 weeks, seems like the GM/Guilds are working really hard to clear this up in an expedient manner.

I want to take this opportunity to ask Rogean to forgive me for my outrage at what felt like he was telling the whole server that my guild and myself as an individual was a cheater. If you read Rogean's statement he is specific about our innocence. But, the trolls of the server, and players that didn't read it well, jumped to conclusions about whether we all were involved.

By banning/Suspending our accounts, and suspending us from raiding for sharing account information. The have sent a clear message to EVERYONE on the Server.
1. If you find an exploit/cheat report it immediately or you and all your friends/mates will potentially be banned / or suspended for extended periods.
2. If you share your password with anyone, you take on All of the potential sins that they have committed over the years.

THAT is the Lesson here, Not TMO is full of cheater.

[Nocsucow]

of the 86 accounts, 8-12 probably belong to Froovs and Node which will be perma banned.

Innocent are , 5-9 are owned by members and used by the guild as trackers/coth taggers. Both Froovs and Node are Long time members who over the years had been given access to others accounts to accomplish certain tasks (getting a char out of kos zone, rezing people, running the char to get a loot that dropped that was going to rot etc.) He/they did not use others accounts (to the best of my knowledge) for whatever duping they were doing. The rest of the accounts belongs to TMO and others, who had no idea that there was any duping going on.

There was no conspiracy, because Froovs and Node knew TMO would remove them from the guild if it was known. They hid it well, they didn't have the outward appearance of exceptional in game wealth.

These many accounts, the owners are guilty of allowing someone else to log on to, and thus, since the two had done bannable things on their own accounts, our accounts have to be "audited" so to speak to make sure that we are innocent as we are claiming. It might be just me but, 3 years of potential transactions, per 70+ accounts 2-4 weeks, seems like the GM/Guilds are working really hard to clear this up in an expedient manner.

I want to take this opportunity to ask Rogean to forgive me for my outrage at what felt like he was telling the whole server that my guild and myself as an individual was a cheater. If you read Rogean's statement he is specific about our innocence. But, the trolls of the server, and players that didn't read it well, jumped to conclusions about whether we all were involved.

By banning/Suspending our accounts, and suspending us from raiding for sharing account information. The have sent a clear message to EVERYONE on the Server.
1. If you find an exploit/cheat report it immediately or you and all your friends/mates will potentially be banned / or suspended for extended periods.
2. If you share your password with anyone, you take on All of the potential sins that they have committed over the years.

THAT is the Lesson here, Not TMO is full of cheater.

Knix its just best to ignore these threads and these trolls and let it be

[knix]

Knix its just best to ignore these threads and these trolls and let it be
I would but, this thread is in important announcements and leaving it with such inaccurate assumptions to me is unpalatable. I would much prefer that the thread was locked after Rogean's original post and all the replies be erased .

[raff01]

Ahahahahahah YESSSSS !!!
BAN ! BAN ! BAN !
With TMO out of the picture I could think of coming back to P99.

[knix]

Ahahahahahah YESSSSS !!!
BAN ! BAN ! BAN !
With TMO out of the picture I could think of coming back to P99.

Well, sorry to kill your celebration but, TMO is not banned. We are currently part way through a two week raid suspension for non raid related events.

But Come back the server is a great place to experience eq, as I understand it Velious is coming soon!!.

[radditsu]

Well, sorry to kill your celebration but, TMO is not banned. We are currently part way through a two week raid suspension for non raid related events.

But Come back the server is a great place to experience eq, as I understand it Velious is coming soon!!.

Calm down knix, you are trolling an announcement thread. I will be forced to call sirken, ambrotos, rogean, and maybe even amelinda if you continue. If that fails, I'll call Uthgaard to come and deliver swift justice.


Thank you and have a nice day.

[amishriot]

ding dong the witch is dead!

[SamwiseRed]

This Knix guy needs to seek help. I hope the cheater stays banned

[Ungriim]

. oops wrong post

[Tasslehofp99]

I thought it was pretty clear message sent by rogean. He also said if TMO refuses to work on an agreeable raiding scene arrangement that TMO's suspension will not be lifted. Suspension had to do with a lot more than just this one incident of duping, obviously.

Does anyone in TMO actually know why their guild was made an example of? If not maybe one of their new leaders could explain it to them.


Lets put the past behind us while acknowledging the facts (most importantly) and move forward with civility.

[TxRanjahs]

HAHAHAHAHAH Fuck you TMO....all you had to do was PLAY NICE TO YOUR FELLOW CLASSIC EQers(there arent much of us left)

Fuckheads i hope they phase the raid content out on ALL your ips and let the NORMAL rest of server PuG that shit up.

[insertname]

Don't think IB is having 86 accounts banned ATM

Calm down knix, you are trolling an announcement thread. I will be forced to call sirken, ambrotos, rogean, and maybe even amelinda if you continue. If that fails, I'll call Uthgaard to come and deliver swift justice.


Thank you and have a nice day.


I thought Uth had his own thing going? Either way one bad apple ect ect. (or in this case 2. )
@Knix please explain TMO stance on sharing spawns, epic quest mobs, and their plan for the future. We've all heard about the TMO lockdown of all things end game, how much of this is urban myth and if any truth why?

[justin2090]

First I read this..

Lets put the past behind us while acknowledging the facts (most importantly) and move forward with civility.

Then I read this..

HAHAHAHAHAH Fuck you TMO....all you had to do was PLAY NICE TO YOUR FELLOW CLASSIC EQers(there arent much of us left)

Fuckheads i hope they phase the raid content out on ALL your ips and let the NORMAL rest of server PuG that shit up.

Then I lol'd and went to bed.

[radditsu]

I thought Uth had his own thing going? Either way one bad apple ect ect. (or in this case 2. )
@Knix please explain TMO stance on sharing spawns, epic quest mobs, and their plan for the future. We've all heard about the TMO lockdown of all things end game, how much of this is urban myth and if any truth why?

http://i.word.com/idictionary/joke

[this user was banned]

Holy shit! Someone call Harrison please...

[Butthead]

*plays the music to cheers*


where everybody knowws your name.... doodle dooodle doo doooo

[godspeed]

I pray that they ban all 86 accounts... regardless of being innocent or not that type of involvement jeopardized Project1999 as a whole.... months and months of work from hundreds of innocent people.

What im saying is Ban those accounts and restabalize the game as a whole.. send a SHARP and STRONG message to the community.. involvement to ANY degree be it account used to transfer plat....assist with the dupping means you shared your account info.. took on the burden of responsibility and deserve to be punished for anothers actions!

PLEASE MAKE THE BANS FINAL AND SWIFT!!!

[Toodles]

I'd be super fine with Velious launching without raid content.
It would mean that all the maxxed players and griefers would be bored quickly, and might (hopefully) leave the server.

So, regardless of how the guilds treat each other, just don't include the raid content.

[Awwalike]

lol Sektor and Mendan have spent over $2,000 each on items/plat/characters

[odiecat99]

Sad that they wasted money on pixels

[odiecat99]

A little birdie told me TMO DDOSd the server to perform duping. Btw acting innocent makes you look mad sad and also bad.

[Awwalike]

silent redemption 4 life dawg

[odiecat99]

silent redemption 4 life dawg

I dig it

[Buriedpast]

I would but, this thread is in important announcements and leaving it with such inaccurate assumptions to me is unpalatable. I would much prefer that the thread was locked after Rogean's original post and all the replies be erased .

Wait. TMO don't like the forum game THEY DO THEIR BEST TO PERPETUATE, with the open and encouraged activity by their leadership to spread lies and troll?

Yet get bent out of shape when it goes he other way.

Sounds similar to how the entire server does not want TMO playing here too.

[Buriedpast]

Paging Jeremy, Alarti, Zeelot, Xasten, Tiggles for comment on how much forum trolling is hurting your feelings collectively TMO.

[odiecat99]

Sirken makes me lol

[odiecat99]

Jeremy is the fattest of all the tmo neckbeards btw. Usually hes the one stirring the collective pot. I giggle everytime I see a TMO tag now.

[odiecat99]

Most people's classic experience with Everquest is not what TMO has created on this server- far from it in fact. In classic times Everquest was new and server domination was different in that a guild got the best geared and moved to their content and then stopped farming the content that others needed. The mindset was different then and nobody had the farm skills and overall MMO management skills that we do now on P99. Sabbat on Rallos Zek could have dominated the raid scene with "Might Makes Right" being enforced by GMs, but they only did this for VP and left lower end content to others. Sure in the beginning they dominated everything but then they moved on once their primary and secondary toons got geared. They even helped other guilds once they got strong enough to enter the raid scene (outside of VP of course). TMO is unique from the classic experience in that they kill things that they don't need just to make their stacks of cash a little taller as well as to deprive others of the position that they already have. It is not often that you find folks who will refuse to let someone else get to where they have gotten.
The server staff have done a wonderful job of recreating a classic experience from a code perspective, and most people are thrilled with that. It is the actions of the elite few at the top that shock most new players once they join P99, as none of them remember a high end raid scene that is described for them when they poke around the P99 community. Why is that? Why is the community so bad on P99 as compared to the classic experience that it shocks new players? Part of the root problem is all the icharacter sales which allowed TMO (let's be real here) to park raid forces, which is related to the issue described above- folks are wiser now and have thought through how to push others down in EQ and lock down content. The other root problem I will address below.



I am so tired of hearing greedy people justify their greed by saying that they have spent their time and effort so they are entitled to it. It is a product of the last couple generations that people globally (not just Americans) have gotten so selfish, self absorbed, and greedy. The generation of folks who laid down their lives to fight Hitler in World War 2 would roll over in their graves if they looked at the state of the world's rich and poor today. This is the saddest thing that I see around me in our beautiful world today- so many folks scrambling for a few more pennies and pushing the smiling and community minded folks away so they can grab at one more cent.
Nobody hates TMO for having too much time on their hands, they hate TMO for what they do to the server community with their selfishness. Their appearance of self absorption, selfishness and greed is shocking to the newly anointed in P99, and some of your members represent the words of what humanity has become today all embodied in one guild. Certainly your guild policies in general represent the worst of human greed and selfishness.
I am "Polyanna" in that I hope for the best for humanity and our world in vhery difficult times, and I wish that world wide we could find a way to work together and solve the problems that will be facing all of us. I for one welcome the fact that "Winter is coming"- some of us understand how big the winter is that is coming to face humanity, and they would rather face it themselves than have their sons or daughters face it for them. Either way I wish that the world could work out their problems and greed is at the heart of it- it would be sad if in an Elf Simulator a few thousand people can't find a way to work out their greed problems. It speaks volumes for humanity in general that we end up with situations like the one TMO has created on this server for the past 3 years. We are probably all fkd and I can't say that we don't deserve it with the way we act to one another.

A little long winded and somewhat off topic I suppose- but this has been burning at me since I got on the server and saw what we have made of the raid scene. It's terrible, and the people who justify it are the worst of what is driving our society down.


I like this post

[alaiwy0503]

I think it's a little short-sighted to blame EVERYTHING on TMO. In a scenario where we are on content that was suppose to be a year long in total for 2-3 years this type of dominance over content is expected. Some of this was unavoidable based on the length of time that we have been on Kunark.

[Fountree]

I think it's a little short-sighted to blame EVERYTHING on TMO. In a scenario where we are on content that was suppose to be a year long in total for 2-3 years this type of dominance over content is expected. Some of this was unavoidable based on the length of time that we have been on Kunark.

[falkun]

Except everyone else saw this coming, and so a year ago, when EVERYONE else came to the bargaining table, TMO showed up and said, "Where's Verious?" and walked away. Maybe its more than a year ago, it was when the VP agreement between TMO and IB was expiring.

It is TMO's fault because they were the ONLY ones unwilling to play nice in the sandbox with all the toy trucks.

[alaiwy0503]

Except everyone else saw this coming, and so a year ago, when EVERYONE else came to the bargaining table, TMO showed up and said, "Where's Verious?" and walked away. Maybe its more than a year ago, it was when the VP agreement between TMO and IB was expiring.

It is TMO's fault because they were the ONLY ones unwilling to play nice in the sandbox with all the toy trucks.

Yes, I agree with this. But the problem wouldn't have arisen in the first place if we weren't stuck on Kunark for years. I don't blame the staff, this is a huge undertaking and isn't their full time jobs. This product is stunning for the amount of effor they put in. Also this has occured b/c there isn't pvp. On Rallos Zek this shit wouldn't have happened because ....kill the other guild.

Any economy where one group holds even slightly more of the resources will grow over powered. The resource (raid mobs) were dominated by TMO and they had no compelling reason to play nice. They were destroying the content w/o playing nice.

[mattkwi]

Raid Scene
It continues to be an aggravating realization among CSR staff that 10% of the server population causes 90% of the problems. We are all for competition, but it needs to be fair competition. We are also all here for the same thing, to experience classic Everquest. The same guild monopolizing raid content for 2 years that they might not even need anymore is ridiculous, just to block other guilds from the chance of gearing up to take on the same end game content.

I was thinking to myself the other day and I came to ask myself.. Are we providing this server to give people the arena to compete to such bitter extremes that it has resorted to taking every absolute measure to be victorious, or are we here to provide a classic Everquest experience for everyone to enjoy?

A lot of you make fun of it in your own terms, but it really does come down to fighting over very old content.

Either way, we're tired of the constant bickering, the training, the ninja looting, and all the other bullshit that's going on. So here's what we're going to do.

Starting today and then evaluated when Velious is released the CSR staff will be keeping track of how the raid guilds are treating eachother. If we do not see a significant improvement in the behavior of the raiding guilds and how they treat eachother, Velious will be released without raid content. To be clear, we want an enjoyable raid scene for everyone, not just one or two guilds. This means working together to figure out a compromise when racing for mobs, and working with smaller guilds to let them have a chance at mobs you don't absolutely need for gearing main characters.

Don't think that this means you can continue shitting on each other and just not petition, the staff will still be watching.

So back to the original problem. The two hour rule the server already agreed to (and I bet TMO would agree to) solves the problem stated above. Why make this more complicated? None of the proposals were ever on the table before and have nothing to do with the original problem. None of those guilds put anything forward prior to this and are just taking advantage of TMOs ban. So again. Two hour fixes the problem.

Further to that, we also witnessed that a simulated server spawn goes smooth (esp along with two hour rule) and spreads the mobs around. So that would further boost the server and morale.

Why are we getting more complicated than this just because TMO was banned? The problem was the in fighting and ruthlessness, and the two hour rule solves that.

[odiecat99]

The toxic raiding wasn't solely on TMO, but I would say about 85% of it was a product of their need to have the biggest e-peen.

[odiecat99]

So back to the original problem. The two hour rule the server already agreed to (and I bet TMO would agree to) solves the problem stated above. Why make this more complicated? None of the proposals were ever on the table before and have nothing to do with the original problem. None of those guilds put anything forward prior to this and are just taking advantage of TMOs ban. So again. Two hour fixes the problem.

Further to that, we also witnessed that a simulated server spawn goes smooth (esp along with two hour rule) and spreads the mobs around. So that would further boost the server and morale.

Why are we getting more complicated than this just because TMO was banned? The problem was the in fighting and ruthlessness, and the two hour rule solves that.

I believe the two hour rule is good, but it will just be an endless two-hour cycle between the two top guilds(Guild A kills first spawn, Guild B the next). The training in VP has to stop also, it's a damn joke. It's Piper's Pit in that damn zone.

[mattkwi]

Agreed. So you make further provisions. Two or three hours if you killed target last, 1 or two hour wait if you killed that target the time before that. That leaves every third spawn of every target uncontested for at least an hour or two. If variance was removed this would be huge. Add in random repops and the server gains even more
.

Again, the problem was the fighting at the top. It wasn't ever about smaller guilds not getting targets. So staggered engages solves this problem. If GMs want the players to work it out, then let them. Naturally, just like on the real servers, guilds who could and wanted to kill the content, controlled the content. If another guild wanted access they took it by force, alliance, or politics. Not Verant or Sony handing it to them. If the GMs want to control the out come then do just that. Decide on how you want it and implement it. If you want the players to work it out, then let it work itself out. Taken has taken many targets whenever they wanted them because they wanted them. It is possible.

There's no concessions to be made. No one owns anything except the GMs. But TMO, FE, IB are the only ones being asked to give up something they control at the moment. Fine, mandate they give up some targets, but as the majority contenders, let them decided amongst them how to do this. Smaller guilds can't claim
To give concessions when they have nothing to lose. Form and alliance and take a larger piece of the pie, then you can barter.

Only 5 members of the U.N. Have veto power. Not every country in the UN has the same power. A small guild with little influence of raiding should have little influence in the divvying of targets.

Staggered engages. And guilds being responsible for their own future And if you truly want the friendliness and joy brought from the first week of the 'two hour' rule week then kill variance and add repops along with these two staggered engages.


Or if you don't want the guilds to work things out naturally then just decide for them. It's done on other matters and can be done here. Not the right way to go IMO, but saying let the players choose but trying to control the out come
By forcing compromise is doing more harm than good to guild relations.

[ElanoraBryght]

Two or three hours if you killed target last, 1 or two hour wait if you killed that target the time before that. That leaves every third spawn of every target uncontested for at least an hour or two. If variance was removed this would be huge.

^ for all raid mobs, VP included.

Add in the new GM attitude :
"Until further notice anyone who touches a raid mob (VP Dragons, Trak, VS, CT, Draco, Inny, Maestro, Gore, Fay, Tal, Sev, Noble, OoA, Naggy, Vox, Phinny, Ragefire, Planar Trash, or anything else I forgot) or otherwise interferes with a raid mob when their guild is on lockout will be banned until the sun rises in the west and sets in the east, until the seas go dry and the mountains blow in the wind like leaves. Only Then you shall return and continue playing should you break these rules."

Add a 4 week guild raid suspension to the player ban.

Removes rotations (except what guilds work between themselves), leaves some competition, and keeps tracking this as simple as keeping up a 2 kill history on whokilledit.com

[Butthead]

one rule i have a hard time putting together is the raiding one...

one guild raids a spot over n over to gear up guild, and another guild wants it but its alrdy taken....

in pvp you would have to do that nihi did years ago.... create a zerg and push the elites out just by mass. holo had some legit nasty good players but couldnt fight the zerg.
its up to the players to resolve the situtation by means of pvp.

theres jus so many variables that can happen during a raid and so many accidents / miscommunications. the rules are focusing alot of good points but there needs to be some kinda flexability on it, atleast for the next few weeks/months.


after all, this IS a pvp server. when you sign up, you should know what to expect. if you cant get exp because people are constantly killing you, join a guild and get help. or sneak inside a dungeon ect. although its super Super annoying, but it adds a sense of real danger.
you cant let ur guard down fora moment. even at full attention, someone could get the jump on ya and smoke you before u knew what happend. thats the beauty of pvp. ur always checkin over your shoulder..
even making friends can b tricky, i think thats y groups are so few. people dont trust eachother cause every1 wants to kill lol.

so the smart people grouped up and work together to create a more efficient group, to progress thru the game more effectively, rather than complain and /shrug... they banded together to rise above the troubles and created a team of like minded players.

^ thats what pvp is all about. the hard gameplayer/pvp should push players to join others who need help. then you can make more groups and progress easier.

when i first joined server at launch, i thought this game was perfect. they wer going to keep it classic. remember how many people we had on launch? it was first time i felt that nostalgia again from everquest.

please do what you guys think is best but please dont change too much. let the community form together to face nihi... like what ppl did against holo years back.
(imagin how the future woulda been if nihi got caught instead of holocaust. they wer both doing same exploit but holo got caught)

sorry for writing another novel but these changes are drastically effecting gameplay, esp end game. after putting in days n days to get up to level, no1 wants it to go out the window like what they did in wow lol.

not every1 can be the best, you must fight to the top to gain respect/gear ect ect...
unlike wow, where you are entitled to fight in every raid, and progress reguardless of skill level, but instead,, time dedication... put *thismuch* time in and ur gauranteed a chance to raid.

=\

[SamwiseRed]

Tldr

[Vraji]

Hey p1999 staff and Rog.

Good post. Loved reading it.

75% of tmo are a joke of human existence. No job bums who have nothing better to do in life other than sitting by the bat phone waiting for that 2 to 3am call to poopsock some mid-level guild trying to get their cleric an epic.

They have beat the content 100x times already so their only twisted joy in life is to destroy other peoples fun...it's actually psychotic behaviour.

It is good to see a proactive work from the csr to bring eq to back to what it IS about - fun, adventure, WORKING TOGETHER, and exploring.

I personally think there needs to be a 3 strike rule enforced on toons involved in poopsocking then a BAN.


Regards V a former fulltime player.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Just curious.... no offense intended...

How did we go from:

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1240813&postcount=10

"Whatever the majority of raiding guilds agree on WILL be enforced by the staff."

To:

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1257220&postcount=15

"this isnt a majority rules kind of thing. we see this a Tier1 guilds, Tier2 guilds, and Staff, kind of thing."

Seems to an outside observer like the goalposts were moved.

[odiecat99]

idk.

[mattkwi]

The majority of the raiding guilds would agree. It's the non raiding guilds with their sudden sense of entitlement that need to be accounted for now.

[YendorLootmonkey]

The majority of the raiding guilds would agree. It's the non raiding guilds with their sudden sense of entitlement that need to be accounted for now.

Didn't realize BDA, Taken, and Divinity didn't raid. News to me.

[odiecat99]

The majority of the raiding guilds would agree. It's the non raiding guilds with their sudden sense of entitlement that need to be accounted for now.

he's not talking about them AFAIK.

He's talking about the people who didn't put in work before the ban.
They now feel entitled to uber lewtz when they didn't do dick before.

[YendorLootmonkey]

he's not talking about them AFAIK.

He's talking about the people who didn't put in work before the ban.
They now feel entitled to uber lewtz when they refused to participate in the general raid scene asshattery because of extreme hardcore measures certain guilds were taking to win at all costs and making everyone else on the server miserable.

fixed it for ya :)

[Aprisle]

Damn no teams :(

[uygi]

Yendor, you know there was always room for an opportunistic guild to pick up kills without going full pooper. VD and BDA both did it at times in the past, and BDA has been doing it a fair bit in recent months.

Also the definition of raiding guild is kind of a silly point to make from either angle. The overwhelming majority of the mobs currently in game can be killed by almost any guild without much more than moderate numbers. Aside from probably Trak, Gore, Hoshkar and Nexona just about everything can have its 32k hit points knocked down without a whole lot of fanfare; ability to kill a mob isn't the real issue and never was. What made a guild a raiding guild was willingness to track and mobilize and/or camp out.

[odiecat99]

fixed it for ya :)

Yendor, thanks.

[Thulack]

Just curious.... no offense intended...

How did we go from:

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1240813&postcount=10

"Whatever the majority of raiding guilds agree on WILL be enforced by the staff."

To:

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1257220&postcount=15

"this isnt a majority rules kind of thing. we see this a Tier1 guilds, Tier2 guilds, and Staff, kind of thing."

Seems to an outside observer like the goalposts were moved.

Then they moved them again when t2 guilds agreed with the staff propsal and then they still scraped it.

[odiecat99]

Yendor, you know there was always room for an opportunistic guild to pick up kills without going full pooper. VD and BDA both did it at times in the past, and BDA has been doing it a fair bit in recent months.

Also the definition of raiding guild is kind of a silly point to make from either angle. The overwhelming majority of the mobs currently in game can be killed by almost any guild without much more than moderate numbers. Aside from probably Trak, Gore, Hoshkar and Nexona just about everything can have its 32k hit points knocked down without a whole lot of fanfare; ability to kill a mob isn't the real issue and never was. What made a guild a raiding guild was willingness to track and mobilize and/or camp out.

Very well put

[Vladesch]

I'm not part of the raid scene on this server and have pretty much given up because of the terrible top end problems, but something that occurs to me is that by denying the server Velious raid content you are making it easier for TMO to keep a stranglehold over raid content. (and thus likely RMT)

Or to put it another way, by doubling the amount of raid content you make it twice as hard for TMO to block everyone else.

This is precisely why WOW had instances. I know a lot of people don't like them and enjoy the "competition". My experience is most people who prefer competition are the ones that are winning.

I imagine it's not possible to instance dungeons, but if you were to do that all these problems will instantly go away. Heck, I might even come back and get the last 10 levels on my enchanter.

[uygi]

I imagine it's not possible to instance dungeons, but if you were to do that all these problems will instantly go away. Heck, I might even come back and get the last 10 levels on my enchanter.

I bet they could instance dungeons very easily, but instances are one of a number of things that are Over Nilbog's Dead Body™ and/or Not on [Nilbog's] Watch™. I believe the two most prominent things on that list are instances and cats on the moon, so I really wouldn't hold my breath.

[Thulack]

I bet they could instance dungeons very easily, but instances are one of a number of things that are Over Nilbog's Dead Body™ and/or Not on [Nilbog's] Watch™. I believe the two most prominent things on that list are instances and cats on the moon, so I really wouldn't hold my breath.

They ripped out all the coding for instances on the server so it will never happen.

[odiecat99]

Instances? Somewhere a kitten must be getting it's head cut off, both are absurdity defined. Da fug.

[Ouzin]

Instances? Somewhere a kitten must be getting it's head cut off, both are absurdity defined. Da fug.

Absurdity is rehashing the same shit over and over and expecting a different result. À la P99.

[citizen1080]

Absurdity is rehashing the same shit over and over and expecting a different result. À la P99.


Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

-Albert Einstein

[odiecat99]

Sounds like insanity.. oh well

[conniedmana]

There were only a handful of accounts that were used to perform the exploit, however, the exploiters have logged into 106 different accounts in total. Of these accounts, 86 of them are guilded in The Mystical Order. While most of these accounts are owned by other players who may have had no knowledge of the actions of the people they were sharing their accounts with, the account owners take that risk when they share their information.

Years later, Rogean discovers firsthand that TMO is dirty as fuck.

The rest of the server isn't even remotely shocked.

[sheepherder]

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[knix]

Years later, Rogean discovers firsthand that TMO is dirty as fuck.

The rest of the server isn't even remotely shocked.

Out of roughly 150 active raiders 3 were doing things things in the shadows

MATH SAYS ............. Making TMO 98 % pure clean fun raiders..

TMO is 98% clean, not Dirty as Fuck proven by math !

[quido]

Knix is the dirtiest of all of us