Official PSA - ALL GUILDS - Judgement Day is Coming

[radditsu]

I got 30 more levels to go.

about 14 before super necro soloing becomes more available.

PLs or not (and I'll never turn down PLs, shits classic) I think I'll hit 60 before a new raid agreement is in place.


I quit. Druids suck.

[Autotune]

I quit. Druids suck.

ah man, don't be like that. Gotta get to mid 30s and start doing ports for plat.

[JayN]

Several RMT and MQ accounts have had the bans lifted (idk how RMT accounts get unbanned and allowed to play again). Anyhow they stopped doing 2nd chances sometime after i got banned but before my 2nd chance petition period came along I guess.

I think the ban was placed in Feb or March and I didn't get word about it until a few weeks later. I also wasn't told very much about it during that time when I asked, only that Ephi sent my petition to Rogean and nothing else was ever said about it and because Ephi and Rogean were perma afk I was told to just wait and petition for a 2nd chance. Waited and then was told they don't do 2nd chances lol.

So I don't really know or remember what happened. I vaguely remember using MQ2 for one of the bot EQemu severs but I couldn't get it to help with bot AIs. I don't remember logging on to P99 with MQ running and I couldn't get any info about what MQ was used for on p99 on my account.

Only thing I was told is that the account was flagged 3 times (one time each on 3 different IPs).

nice story brah; confirmed ban evasion, multiple counts of ip spoofing and hacking

[Autotune]

nice story brah; confirmed ban evasion, multiple counts of ip spoofing and hacking

Eh, I got nothing to hide. I don't know why they wouldn't be more upfront with me about things, I even told them that all 3 of the IPs looked like my normal ones. (My house, My cousin's house, and my Work)

[Ravager]

Eh, I got nothing to hide. I don't know why they wouldn't be more upfront with me about things, I even told them that all 3 of the IPs looked like my normal ones. (My house, My cousin's house, and my Work)

Iksars make cooler necros anyway.

[Autotune]

Iksars make cooler necros anyway.

Truth and I don't really mind it one way or the other. Just surprised me that Uthgaard was more willing to work with me on a ban once than these new CSR guys.

[Nefarum]

I posted this in the thread I started, but I feel it's worth repeating here.

I honestly don't believe there will ever be a proposal that will have unanimous agreement. The GMs' mandate for us to reach a consensus is pretty much impossible. We could have a near-perfect plan, and there will still be people who don't like it. No matter what, the top guilds have to give up power, and/or the lower guilds will still feel oppressed. I think no matter what happens, the GMs might have to just choose a proposal that isn't universally reviled and just declare it the new law. That's the only way I see anything actually moving forward.

The GMs could respond with "make it happen or we'll just take away your raid content", but that's just a way to lead the server to a slow death. Consensus is a nice ideal, but we need to figure out what's actually a realistic plan that could actually happen. In reality someone with power (the GMs) need to choose one of the plans people have put forward and enforce it.

[Seltius]

I'm sorry, but asking TMO to help fix this is like having the Nazis on the war crimes tribunal.

I would just like to post how much I find being compared to Nazi's offensive. You are comparing a group of gamers to a group that systematically tried to wipe out a whole race/religion of people just because they didn't like them. I'm sorry you take your pixels that seriously but if keeping you from raiding/killing mobs makes you flip out and hurt yourself look at it as a chance to keep stupid people from procreating.

You sir are the perfect example of why stupid(not Ignorant) people should be fixed long before they are able to have children.

At this point it goes beyond sarcasm and obnoxiousness.

[Tecmos Deception]

I would just like to post how much I find being compared to Nazi's offensive. You are comparing a group of gamers to a group that systematically tried to wipe out a whole race/religion of people just because they didn't like them. I'm sorry you take your pixels that seriously but if keeping you from raiding/killing mobs makes you flip out and hurt yourself look at it as a chance to keep stupid people from procreating.

You sir are the perfect example of why stupid(not Ignorant) people should be fixed long before they are able to have children.

At this point it goes beyond sarcasm and obnoxiousness.

Thread continues to deliver.

[August]

I would just like to post how much I find being compared to Nazi's offensive. You are comparing a group of gamers to a group that systematically tried to wipe out a whole race/religion of people just because they didn't like them. I'm sorry you take your pixels that seriously but if keeping you from raiding/killing mobs makes you flip out and hurt yourself look at it as a chance to keep stupid people from procreating.

You sir are the perfect example of why stupid(not Ignorant) people should be fixed long before they are able to have children.

At this point it goes beyond sarcasm and obnoxiousness.

Classic hypocrisy. Declare someone outrageous for comparing a video game domination to genocide, and then go on to promote eugenics for said person who offered up the metaphor. /boggle

[Lune]

I would just like to post how much I find being compared to Nazi's offensive. You are comparing a group of gamers to a group that systematically tried to wipe out a whole race/religion of people just because they didn't like them. I'm sorry you take your pixels that seriously but if keeping you from raiding/killing mobs makes you flip out and hurt yourself look at it as a chance to keep stupid people from procreating.

You sir are the perfect example of why stupid(not Ignorant) people should be fixed long before they are able to have children.

At this point it goes beyond sarcasm and obnoxiousness.

This is genius

[Nune]

Makes sense, fuck the entire server over because 3 guilds don't go outside.

[SamwiseRed]

Shut down p99 imo

[Alorae]

They were comparing having the "bad guys" being on the judging panel to decide the fate of the "bad guys." That's not comparing anyone to nazi ideology. Calm down buttercup.

[quido]

fuck it, cmon guys, let's go play EQ2

[Spitty]

fuck it, cmon guys, let's go play EQ2

I heard they have animated cloaks.

[Seltius]

Classic hypocrisy. Declare someone outrageous for comparing a video game domination to genocide, and then go on to promote eugenics for said person who offered up the metaphor. /boggle

lol little different there as genocide is a part of history it happened. There is no way to ever stop stupid people from breeding.

Its a little different I didn't say he should move somewhere that he can only have 1 child that may or may not end up a mini image of him.

I didn't suggest that he should have been drown or dropped down a flight of steps as a child or even insinuate that he may have been because his parents didn't love him. I just said he was the perfect example of why it should be considered not why it was considered.

If you would like we can go into a new thread and discuss Hypocrisy and what is and isn't.

And see this is why I normally stay out of threads like this. Just for you I have provided a definition of Hypocrisy.

hy·poc·ri·sy
/hiˈpäkrisē/

noun

noun: hypocrisy; plural noun: hypocrisies

1.

the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.


Edited-As something I had started to say did border on Hypocrisy and might be offensive to someone unintentionally.

[Barkingturtle]

You can be an ogre bard.

[Barkingturtle]

The Nazi analogy holds up under scrutiny, sorry. Just look into the eyes of any casual raider; note the distinct lack of dignity; study the trauma inflicted upon his person and the numb resignation. Then come back and tell me the Jews had it any worse. At some point, being thrust into the lava-pits of the Solusek Ro labor camp becomes a welcome release.

[August]

lol little different there as genocide is a part of history it happened. There is no way to ever stop stupid people from breeding.

Its a little different I didn't say he should move somewhere that he can only have 1 child that may or may not end up a mini image of him.

I didn't suggest that he should have been drown or dropped down a flight of steps as a child or even insinuate that he may have been because his parents didn't love him. I just said he was the perfect example of why it should be considered not why it was considered.

If you would like we can go into a new thread and discuss Hypocrisy and what is and isn't.

And see this is why I normally stay out of threads like this. Just for you I have provided a definition of Hypocrisy.

hy·poc·ri·sy
/hiˈpäkrisē/

noun

noun: hypocrisy; plural noun: hypocrisies

1.

the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.


Edited-As something I had started to say did border on Hypocrisy and might be offensive to someone unintentionally.

It's not really important for you to understand your hypocrisy. Yes, saying don't eat meat while eating a hamburger would be hypocritical. I understand the loose colloquial use of the word.

However, you lambast a fellow for being 'offensive' in comparing two subjects that are seemingly unrelated - because you are being compared to a Nazi. You then go on to promote a VERY NAZI-LIKE OPINION (eugenics - hello, do you understand what eugenics is? Do you understand that nazi doctrine is rooted in the idea of eugenics?)

To me you are a hypocrite. That's fine if you don't see it; I don't expect you to. Most hypocrites don't.

God I hate stupid people.

[gloine36]

And now you understand why instancing came about. Problem solved.

[gwideon]

The Nazi analogy holds up under scrutiny, sorry. Just look into the eyes of any casual raider; note the distinct lack of dignity; study the trauma inflicted upon his person and the numb resignation. Then come back and tell me the Jews had it any worse. At some point, being thrust into the lava-pits of the Solusek Ro labor camp becomes a welcome release.

not cool

[Seltius]

God I hate stupid people.

We agree on something.

Ignorance can be cured. Stupidity cannot.

That is where your wrong. Nazi's believed in Eugenics but it came about long before them and they took it to an entirely extreme level. Part of its source was rooted in Darwinism. I am not and did not suggest he be killed due to his genetics or to create a different race. I just don't value the idea of him passing his stupidity off onto someone else. Nice try though.

[Arteker]

And now you understand why instancing came about. Problem solved.

lol instance ws a natural succes for forum quester like 90% of the people who lurks here.


omg plane of justice trials are to hard and i cannot get that nice xp in plane of valor --

But i want to test Bastion of thunder because all the ubers are gettin shit tons of cash ---


But i want , but i want , but i want but i want but i want.

[August]

We agree on something.

Ignorance can be cured. Stupidity cannot.

That is where your wrong. Nazi's believed in Eugenics but it came about long before them and they took it to an entirely extreme level. Part of its source was rooted in Darwinism. I am not and did not suggest he be killed due to his genetics or to create a different race. I just don't value the idea of him passing his stupidity off onto someone else. Nice try though.

Let me drop this here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_eugenics

"By the end of the Nazi regime, over 200 Hereditary Health Courts (Erbgesundheitsgerichte) were created, and under their rulings over 400,000 people were sterilized against their will.[18]"

You sir are the perfect example of why stupid(not Ignorant) people should be fixed long before they are able to have children.



You were promoting sterilization due to his stupidity. The mentally disabled were a target for the nazi eugenics program.

Nice try, though. Keep grasping! It's good to see people work at something they really believe in.

[Seltius]

Let me drop this here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_eugenics

"By the end of the Nazi regime, over 200 Hereditary Health Courts (Erbgesundheitsgerichte) were created, and under their rulings over 400,000 people were sterilized against their will.[18]"




You were promoting sterilization due to his stupidity. The mentally disabled were a target for the nazi eugenics program.

Nice try, though. Keep grasping! It's good to see people work at something they really believe in.

I don't really believe in it. It was a statement. You take these posts entirely too literal. I was offended because I know people that had family that were killed during that time period due to their race/religion. I have family that fought the very group that I and others were being compared to. So it is kind of an emotional issue to be compared to that over a video game. In the end being compared to someone like a Nazi isn't fun. Having someone point out stupidity probably isn't fun either but for different reasons.

Like I said if you would like to have a debate or discuss hypocrisy ill be happy to do that maybe you can explain my ignorance in a non-inflammatory way that I might learn something. I gave you that chance and you tried to point out why I should be lumped into the category with Nazi's. Again there is a difference between ignorance and stupidity.

I still love you for who you are and appreciate your attempt to educate me. I will read the Wiki link just to see where I can change my hypocrisy.

[Visual]

I love you Fonzo, but you're doing us dirty on this one

[Nune]

I don't really believe in it. It was a statement. You take these posts entirely too literal. I was offended because I know people that had family that were killed during that time period due to their race/religion. I have family that fought the very group that I and others were being compared to. So it is kind of an emotional issue to be compared to that over a video game. In the end being compared to someone like a Nazi isn't fun. Having someone point out stupidity probably isn't fun either but for different reasons.

Like I said if you would like to have a debate or discuss hypocrisy ill be happy to do that maybe you can explain my ignorance in a non-inflammatory way that I might learn something. I gave you that chance and you tried to point out why I should be lumped into the category with Nazi's. Again there is a difference between ignorance and stupidity.

I still love you for who you are and appreciate your attempt to educate me. I will read the Wiki link just to see where I can change my hypocrisy.

the internet is a hard place for the easily offended, just saying

[baalzy]

Ladies and Gentlemen. This post has officially gone Godwin.

[Lisset]

Seltius, I have to believe that you are being intentionally obtuse. I can't believe your complete missing of my point was anything other than an attempt to deflect from my very valid and apt comparison.

For starters, I never belittled the nazi atrocities or even brought them up. That was you. What I did was use some bad people as an example of how ridiculous it would have been to have them decide their own fate. Nothing more, nothing less.

So you can keep your faux-offense to yourself and stop deflecting what my very real and obvious point is. That TMO has for years been a poison on the raid scene of p99 and simply should not have a say in deciding how everyone else cleans up the mess that they created.

You don't let bullies help decide what's fair. They had their chance and chose to be bullies and took advantage of it for 2 years. And now they're going to whine and demand to be treated with equal say as their victims? Their agreement shouldn't even be a question. They should be subject to the will of everyone else like everyone was subjected to theirs.

[Seltius]

the internet is a hard place for the easily offended, just saying

Only when we make it such.

I don't think that was easily offended considering the shit that has been spewed on these forums for a few weeks now I think it took a lot to piss me off or offend me.

Especially considering a few of the asshat's here that have been flinging shit at myself and others because of a guild tag are people I've helped in the past with things like epic fights, leveling, gearing up and such in game. I think there might be 3 people on this server that I don't give a flying fuck about offending and that I wouldn't go out of my way to help if asked. Anyone else on this server if I was able id do what I could to help when asked to regardless of guild tag.

I have been on this server for a year now and you know what its not the raid scene that's toxic its the people. The raid scene is just a byproduct of the cancer that is the sense that someone else owes anyone shit in this game. The only people that are owed anything in this game are the GMs and Devs because of the shit they deal with, put up with, and have worked so hard to accomplish. This is their sandbox not yours and not mine they just let us play here.

Hopefully this gets worked out to the benefit of everyone and people can get back to enjoying the game. But that's highly unlikely because there are so many that instead of trying to fix it just want to bitch and cry about how horrible it was and how much they are owed because of it. Then bitch about how much they want to hurt or ruin someone elses fun. That is toxic. Everything in the last 100 or so threads started on these forums over the raid scene is toxic. The threads start with some merit and possibly have a chance to have a positive impact and they turn into a place to whine about how horrible it was or is.

[Keystone]

Take the no two boxing rule to the next level. 1 hour lockout when logging in a different char. Let people actually mobilize to targets instead of parking alts everywhere.


or a can't engage raid target flag for an hour whenever you first log in chars

[Seltius]

Seltius, I have to believe that you are being intentionally obtuse. I can't believe your complete missing of my point was anything other than an attempt to deflect from my very valid and apt comparison.

For starters, I never belittled the nazi atrocities or even brought them up. That was you. What I did was use some bad people as an example of how ridiculous it would have been to have them decide their own fate. Nothing more, nothing less.

So you can keep your faux-offense to yourself and stop deflecting what my very real and obvious point is. That TMO has for years been a poison on the raid scene of p99 and simply should not have a say in deciding how everyone else cleans up the mess that they created.

You don't let bullies help decide what's fair. They had their chance and chose to be bullies and took advantage of it for 2 years. And now they're going to whine and demand to be treated with equal say as their victims? Their agreement shouldn't even be a question. They should be subject to the will of everyone else like everyone was subjected to theirs.

I can appreciate the bully comparison but really I'm not sure how you get the whole Nazi thing and feel it shouldn't offend anyone.

I have only been on this server for a year and the competition that did happen when it happened during that time was more than one sided. I don't know you so I really don't care what you feel is fair. In the end TMO is a part of the sandbox and if they did create a mess then its their responsibility to help clean it up. I have seen FE/IB/BDA/Taken all do underhanded things in the name of getting a raid mob. So saying TMO was the only reason the server had issues is a copout and a complete farce. But to say anyone has nothing to say about the things that impact this server makes you no better than those people you hate.

I understand you were a helpless victim in all of this and that you want revenge or to hit TMO where it hurts. I get it but its time to let go and let any healing people claim they want to begin.

I don't know you I don't know what guild you are in. Did you even attempt to raid or kill raid targets during that time. Or did you like me start playing and hear how TMO was the big kid on the playground and didn't let anyone else on the jungle gym and so you gave up and never tried?

Also for years did you change accounts for some reason or get banned or just decide it was time to change/create a new account in Sept? Are you just quoting others or have you first hand experienced the abuses of TMO for years here? I mean I wouldn't know since I haven't been here for years what it was like then. I really want you to tell me.

[Funkutron5000]

this is absolutely the wrong way to be thinking. it is selfish, it is short sighted, and it is immature as fuck. stop thinking about your self and start thinking about whats best for THE SERVER. that means ALL current guilds (yes even the ones you hate), and it means to plan for future players and guilds that may not yet even play here. but if the bit i quoted is really your stance, then you have no business in these talks.

the staff has been and will continue to monitor progress on these discussions. and we reserve the right to do absolutely anything imaginable (or unimaginable), as we see for the betterment of the server's future moving forward.

Thanks for popping back in, Sirken.

I think everyone is trying to make the server a better place, even if we do disagree/ call each other names while trying to do so.

[Autotune]

this is absolutely the wrong way to be thinking. it is selfish, it is short sighted, and it is immature as fuck. stop thinking about your self and start thinking about whats best for THE SERVER. that means ALL current guilds (yes even the ones you hate), and it means to plan for future players and guilds that may not yet even play here. but if the bit i quoted is really your stance, then you have no business in these talks.

the staff has been and will continue to monitor progress on these discussions. and we reserve the right to do absolutely anything imaginable (or unimaginable), as we see for the betterment of the server's future moving forward.

I am ready to have the gods promote me to Emperor of Project 1999!

[quido]

Happy New Year PROJECT1999 from Grand Rapids Michigan. I'm here at my brother's house enjoying the delights of life and in protest to dubstep have decided to forumquest for a moment. I'm looking forward to what 2014 will bring here and I wish you all the very best <3

[wrogue]

Happy New Year.

If you want most players to have a chance at experiencing most of the content add a system where players can spawn raid targets by using tokens. Use your imagination here.

This will get you started. Tokens drop very rarely off of any kill made without an PBae nuke/song off of NPCs of a certain level or higher. Give 4 specific tokens to a spawner NPC that sits on the raid targets spawn point to pop that raid target. Make the spawner NPC disappear upon turn in and repop after a specific amount of time, 1-6 hours. Make obtaining the 4 tokens the bottle neck not finding the spawner NPC up. Also make the spawner NPC ignore and immune to all attacks.

[webrunner5]

Happy New Year.

If you want most players to have a chance at experiencing most of the content add a system where players can spawn raid targets by using tokens. Use your imagination here.

This will get you started. Tokens drop very rarely off of any kill made without an PBae nuke/song off of NPCs of a certain level or higher. Give 4 specific tokens to a spawner NPC that sits on the raid targets spawn point to pop that raid target. Make the spawner NPC disappear upon turn in and repop after a specific amount of time, 1-6 hours. Make obtaining the 4 tokens the bottle neck not finding the spawner NPC up. Also make the spawner NPC ignore and immune to all attacks.

Wow, please send me the contact name for your drug dealer. Shit sounds like it works great!!:eek:

[sanforce]

Happy New Year.

If you want most players to have a chance at experiencing most of the content add a system where players can spawn raid targets by using tokens. Use your imagination here.

This will get you started. Tokens drop very rarely off of any kill made without an PBae nuke/song off of NPCs of a certain level or higher. Give 4 specific tokens to a spawner NPC that sits on the raid targets spawn point to pop that raid target. Make the spawner NPC disappear upon turn in and repop after a specific amount of time, 1-6 hours. Make obtaining the 4 tokens the bottle neck not finding the spawner NPC up. Also make the spawner NPC ignore and immune to all attacks.

not...... classic...... at...... all.......

[cuddlesthekilla]

Well seeing how I have never seen any of the raid mobs before with this impending lock out I may get to see them in their natural habitat, Gordok is very happy about that.

[Nlaar]

Happy New Year PROJECT1999 from Grand Rapids Michigan. I'm here at my brother's house enjoying the delights of life and in protest to dubstep have decided to forumquest for a moment. I'm looking forward to what 2014 will bring here and I wish you all the very best <3

Not all is lost in terms of dupstep (although in general i agree with your statement).

Check out "Burial" or what London might sound like at 3 am.

Happy NY from AA, MI.

[Glitterati]

dubstep is what it would sound like if 2 fax machines fucked

[pharmakos]

Happy New Year PROJECT1999 from Grand Rapids Michigan. I'm here at my brother's house enjoying the delights of life and in protest to dubstep have decided to forumquest for a moment. I'm looking forward to what 2014 will bring here and I wish you all the very best <3

do they finally have reliable power back in Grand Rapids? they were blacked out for a long time in December.

[Seltius]

dubstep is what it would sound like if 2 fax machines fucked

lol

[wrogue]

not...... classic...... at...... all.......

We could state absolutes. We could split hairs. Or we can fix the problem.

[Nune]

Happy New Year PROJECT1999 from Grand Rapids Michigan. I'm here at my brother's house enjoying the delights of life and in protest to dubstep have decided to forumquest for a moment. I'm looking forward to what 2014 will bring here and I wish you all the very best <3

LOL Michigan?? God, that explains so much about you

[iNteg]

do they finally have reliable power back in Grand Rapids? they were blacked out for a long time in December.

Hey! What's wrong with Michigan?! ^^^^^^^^^^

A large part of Lansing lost power too, I heard they just got the last few people w/ out power back before midnight last night. The whole area was covered in ice. I got lucky and only lost power for an hour.

Did you go to Founders Jeremy?

[Seltius]

iNteg!

omg I am OCDing atm your sig wtf is that one guy saying I finally figured out that it looks like the 2 guys are saying Peanut Butter and Jam. Arrrrrgh


I just want to say BACON that is all..

[Tecmos Deception]

Did you go to Founders Jeremy?

Yay Michigan Beer! I was drinking imperial stouts and breakfast stouts at my inlaws' christmas. Still a bigger fan of Bells though.

[pharmakos]

my old roommate does concert booking for Founder's sometimes ;)

[Toodles]

Hi everyone!

just a friendly neighborhood reminder from your Lead CSR GM, that i will be raid suspending all guilds from all raid targets if an agreement has not been reached by the end of TMOs raid suspension on January 2nd.

this should serve as enough incentive to motivate all the guilds into reaching a fair agreement in a timely manner.


<3
Sirken


http://cmsny.org/wp-content/uploads/lady-liberty-scales-of-justice-h-1000.jpg


How exactly do you suspend all guilds from all raid targets, specifically?

Cause if you can do that, then surely removing variance is hella lot easier?

[Leiker]

Hello all.

Leiker/Photre from Europa here.

I will be Europas representative in the talks since most of the officers are afk for holidays. If anyone can get in contact with me either here regarding the details(time, place) of the next vent talks. It would be much appreciated. I have tried contacting Taken and Divinity ingame, but none of their officers are online at this time due to hangover :)

[quido]

I haven't been to Founder's since they expanded. I have a buddy that works in QC there and he used to be able to walk out with 24 beers for free every day. I suspect Founders' quality is sliding though because the Centennials I've tried in the last year or so have all tasted like well water.

As far as power I have no idea - I just got to Grand Rapids a few days ago. After that ice storm I was without power in Lansing for 32 hours.

I prefer Bell's too. Two Hearted ftw

[Varren]

partial to the dirty bastard myself

[Tyym]

May I suggest the smaller guilds voice their concerns to some of the higher up Cat B guilds like BDA, Divinity and Taken. Tonight's forum will be restricting representatives to 2 players from each guild. With that in mind, we will still be having 10 -12 people on our vent likely all talking at once. We know the concerns and we are doing our best to come to some sort of amiable solution that benefits everyone. However if you haven't killed a Dragon or God in the past 6 months, then please let your proxy be conveyed by one of the aforementioned guilds.

Morphius
Forceful Entry

[quido]

partial to the dirty bastard myself

Yeah DB is a quality scotch ale, as is the Backwoods Bastard. I'm pretty partial to IPA myself - Double Trouble is delicious.

[Shinko]

I cant wait to see gore kill noobies, vs getting trained to ZI of KC, Fay murdering fire-pot people.

MY toons suck in vp this will be great :) on and Sev killing people on way to FoB


zero people in hate and fear :)

[sedrie.bellamie]

and we reserve the right to do absolutely anything imaginable (or unimaginable), as we see for the betterment of the server's future moving forward.

I thought you guys where around to summon our corpses when they fall off of sky and tell people to try /rewind

[Mezzmur]

I thought you guys where around to summon our corpses when they fall off of sky and tell people to try /rewind

All sky corpses to rot!

[sedrie.bellamie]

ever heard of cutting off your nose to spite your face? that is what the OP is doing

asking the players to fix a non-classic situation

someone said that according to timelines that when p99 was lauched to today, that we would be on Gates of Discord. These problems would not exist with more content.

Remove all non-classic asscpects of raid mobs and you will have part of your problem fixed

[justin2090]

A-Team is going to be the guild to be in since they only use 1 group of elite players. Not really a raid if it's just 1 group. Just 1 group xp'n in VS pit is all.

[tankh]

A-Team is going to be the guild to be in since they only use 1 group of elite players. Not really a raid if it's just 1 group. Just 1 group xp'n in VS pit is all.

<3 The A-Team

[citizen1080]

A-Team is going to be the guild to be in since they only use 1 group of elite players. Not really a raid if it's just 1 group. Just 1 group xp'n in VS pit is all.


10kpp per sponsorship. Get into A-Team while you can! We will have epics soon!

[Barkingturtle]

ever heard of cutting off your nose to spite your face? that is what the OP is doing


The raid scene is not a nose. At best, it is a nose-shaped tumor.

[nambar]

How exactly do you suspend all guilds from all raid targets, specifically?

Cause if you can do that, then surely removing variance is hella lot easier?

Here you go:

You kill raid mob. You get banned. Your guild gets banned. That's how.

[justin2090]

Hi everyone!

just a friendly neighborhood reminder from your Lead CSR GM, that i will be raid suspending all guilds from all raid targets if an agreement has not been reached by the end of TMOs raid suspension on January 2nd.

this should serve as enough incentive to motivate all the guilds into reaching a fair agreement in a timely manner.


<3
Sirken


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[Leiker]

May I suggest the smaller guilds voice their concerns to some of the higher up Cat B guilds like BDA, Divinity and Taken. Tonight's forum will be restricting representatives to 2 players from each guild. With that in mind, we will still be having 10 -12 people on our vent likely all talking at once. We know the concerns and we are doing our best to come to some sort of amiable solution that benefits everyone. However if you haven't killed a Dragon or God in the past 6 months, then please let your proxy be conveyed by one of the aforementioned guilds.

Morphius
Forceful Entry


Europa has left our vote with Divinity. I have spoken to them and told them we support their proposal.

-Leiker on behalf of Europa.

[Hitpoint]

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Dec 19, 2013 - 7:32 PM - by Rogean

So I assume that 7:32 PM eastern tomorrow is the official time we have to agree by?

[Arteker]

Xenorvorash too! you're forgetting you claimed that to be a raid mob!

YEAH

[Varren]

Yeah DB is a quality scotch ale, as is the Backwoods Bastard. I'm pretty partial to IPA myself - Double Trouble is delicious.

If you're going IPA and want to mix it up and not go Two Hearted, I love the Crooked Tree from Dark Horse.

[thugcruncher]

sirken have mercy on your souls

[Sckrilla]

Europa has left our vote with Divinity. I have spoken to them and told them we support their proposal.

-Leiker on behalf of Europa.
Bad choice, Mountain Dane! All well, I'll still wish you a happy birthday nonetheless! HAPPY BIRFDAY!

[-Catherin-]

Think of it this way: the divinity proposal that FE and TMO were so against was to give us 14 days (regardless of how variance worked out) to the guilds outside them and IB of mobs they could not contest (minus a few that they would be in the rotation on as well). which with variance would work out to less than 50%.

Rogeans proposal takes variance out of the picture since it is every other mob and not just 14 days that a variance can throw completely out of whack, and also has a lockout so that we will get a lions share during simulated repops as well. And TMO/FE/IB don't get any of them, unlike the first 14 days on the divinity rotation plan. So in the end more than 50% outside of VP.

And those of us in our own tier can work out how we will work together with each other without those other guilds bringing those talks to a standstill. We were all pretty much of a like mind before this so working out the details will not be that hard I think. The Tier one Guilds can effectively continue to play in their own way in their own sandbox without us.

This is better than what we were trying to get in the divinity proposal during the talks when you really think about it. We should embrace this. The staff compromise has my complete support

[baramur]

So what part of that is equal for all guilds? Punish 2 guilds more then any other guilds, because they have the ability to mobilize fast and kill targets. What happens now if TMO kills like 90 percent of the mobs during tmo/fe/ib days, and fe/ib doesnt get any kills, how is this fair to them? You are all about being equal, yet your treating tmo/fe/ib to different standards....lol.....amusing.

[sedrie.bellamie]

how are non-raiding guilds dictating terms? The inmates are running the assylum

[Xadion]

to me, honestly I dont care what system we get or go with- hell I will not raid anything outside VP personally if Velious is free and normal with low variance, high parralel spawns- and let the natural order happen.

velious will be bad on rotation of any sort or any hybid lockout system etc... Velious will fix so much giving the "B" guilds almost everything in classic and kunark and even stuff in velious like the sea dragon, lord bob, velk, vindi (so fast spawn) etc

[Tecmos Deception]

velious will be bad on rotation of any sort or any hybid lockout system etc... Velious will fix so much giving the "B" guilds almost everything in classic and kunark and even stuff in velious like the sea dragon, lord bob, velk, vindi (so fast spawn) etc

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Stop! And stay in Kunark. Winter is not coming!

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/confused

[arsenalpow]

So what part of that is equal for all guilds? Punish 2 guilds more then any other guilds, because they have the ability to mobilize fast and kill targets. What happens now if TMO kills like 90 percent of the mobs during tmo/fe/ib days, and fe/ib doesnt get any kills, how is this fair to them? You are all about being equal, yet your treating tmo/fe/ib to different standards....lol.....amusing.

FE/TMO don't want equal, they stated as much and proposed the same. They want to be rewarded for what they deem exceptional effort and dedication, at least that's what they call it. The casual side calls that crazy. That's the crux of this entire rift. TMO/FE want their 100% competition etc etc, the casuals don't mind competing but not at the level FE/TMO do mainly because the barrier to entry is so incredibly high.

There's a difference between how BDA, Taken, and Divinity compete compared to how TMO/FE compete. The GM plan allows TMO/FE to stay within their heated battle for server supremacy which fosters their need for competition. The plan also allows the other guilds to work out some type of agreement that helps foster more good will and sharing while catering to the casual playstyle.

I like the plan, and I think with a few tweaks everyone can get what they want. For example I'd lower the lockout timer down to something like 2 hours. 6 hours is a long time to keep a mob up and delaying a kill that long also affects the tier 1 guilds adversely which is a bit unfair. Also we can talk about making exceptions for VP on full repops since the tier 2 guilds obviously aren't shooting for those targets and it could potentially force tier 1 guilds to leave up mobs which seems a bit illogical.

[fastboy21]

Velious will make things a lot better for "casual guilds" but it is not a cure all...

The GMs hinted a few weeks ago that they were considering fixing Sleeper's Tomb so that it wouldn't be a 1-time event. I don't think any decision on the matter was officially shared with the server public yet.

I assume that part of the breaking point is that the dev team is spending 100s of hours of their "free time" to get zones like ST to work properly...

[-Catherin-]

So what part of that is equal for all guilds? Punish 2 guilds more then any other guilds, because they have the ability to mobilize fast and kill targets. What happens now if TMO kills like 90 percent of the mobs during tmo/fe/ib days, and fe/ib doesnt get any kills, how is this fair to them? You are all about being equal, yet your treating tmo/fe/ib to different standards....lol.....amusing.

A compromise before this was offered that would have given them a greater share, as well as greater competition (divinity proposal.) But they wouldn't have it

[Xadion]

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lol

My sig is a funny yo... but now i truely feel velious is close (tm)

[Fael]

Where can I read rogeans proposal?

Dolic

[sedrie.bellamie]

A compromise before this was offered that would have given them a greater share (divinity proposal.) But they wouldn't have it

why should raiding guilds let non-raiding guilds set the terms? TMO/FE want people to step up and compete with the terms set down by the server staff. Now the server staff says TMO/FE have to come up with an agreement to make guilds happy that do not even compete in the manor the server staff has established.

the clear solutions are to remove variance and release velious

The best analogy I can make is that p99 is a swimming pool and the staff is asking the bacteria that have formed to not make people sick without adding chlorine or changing the water.

[Ele]

Where can I read rogeans proposal?

Dolic

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133456

[Fael]

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[-Catherin-]

why should raiding guilds let non-raiding guilds set the terms? TMO/FE want people to step up and compete with the terms set down by the server staff. Now the server staff says TMO/FE have to come up with an agreement to make guilds happy that do not even compete in the manor the server staff has established.

Because its the direction the staff wants the server to move in. Create an environment that more people can enjoy rather than just one or two guilds. That ship already sailed. And these are not exactly the non raiding guilds terms anymore, if they ever even were.

an arrangement that makes the majority of the server content, where before the majority of the server was not content, should not be seen as a punishment

[arsenalpow]

chest-- if 6 hour window was dropped to 2 hours, would the mob then be open to all guilds ? .

Dolic

FE and TMO would most likely agree to make all tier 1 mobs FTE, at least that's what was discussed last night.

Tier 2 mobs would be decided by tier 2 guilds or if a consensus isn't reached (which seems unlikely) then it would default to rogean's original ruleset. The way I see it after 6 hours the mob would go FFA but only for tier 2 guilds. I'd expect the casuals to work out some agreement to offset dropping mobs during blackout periods (a stated example would be someone like azure guard who doesn't batphone and could most likely only down targets during prime time hours) because we don't want to completely bar casual guilds from participating.

[Alarti0001]

Because its the direction the staff wants the server to move in. Create an environment that more people can enjoy rather than just one or two guilds. That ship already sailed. And these are not exactly the non raiding guilds terms anymore, if they ever even were.

an arrangement that makes the majority of the server content, where before the majority of the server was not content, should not be seen as a punishment

Rogean trying to 1up "the pursuit of happiness".

[Hawala]

What's happened to the server? I think I'm done with it.

[fadetree]

Can I have your stuff?

[Pan]

why should raiding guilds let non-raiding guilds set the terms?

The hubris here is amazing - why should any of us think that we can set the terms? It's Rogean's world and we're all guests here. He asked us to come to an agreement, yet we were unable to. It's his call.

It's his swimming pool. He can manage it or bar entry or drain it if he'd like.

Just be grateful for the amount of work that goes into this on our behalf. Any sense of entitlement around here smacks of a poor understanding of how things really are.

[Clark]

Stop trying to make the server into Custom99.

[Fael]

The true hubris is thinking that we can all come to an agreement on how to distribute a scarce resource among 1000 people.

100,000 years of human history has taught us nothing!!!

Dolic

[loramin]

The true hubris is thinking that we can all come to an agreement on how to distribute a scarce resource among 1000 people.

100,000 years of human history has taught us nothing!!!

Dolic

You're absolutely right, because history clearly shows that all attempts to distribute scarce resources will result in chaos and anarchy ...

... except wait, no it doesn't. History actually shows a (somewhat) steady march of progress towards our current civil society, where *millions* of people somehow manage to distribute scarce resources that are far more significant than pixels in an elf simulator among themselves.