Thank you Rogean! You are awesome

[Kluren]

Just wanted to say thank you for your recently proposed raid changes. Plus, all that you do.

A million thanks and more! Thank you Rogean.

[Handull]

I agree. Great plan and it addressed most of my concerns

[maximum]

He/she is talking about: http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134706

[Troubled]

Was brought up at the last meeting as well. Maybe it will get more steam this time around?

[Unidus]

Sounds good to me. Anyone whining about this go play somewhere else.

[sedrie.bellamie]

http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/189/a/6/the_care_bear_family_by_foxspirit259-d567fow.jpg

[justin2090]

http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/189/a/6/the_care_bear_family_by_foxspirit259-d567fow.jpg

http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/basement_5691.png

[Grimfan]

I feel like the post Derubael made should be a sticky, what you two have done by posting images is RNF material, please keep it there.

[Brut]

Confused about this proposal tho, mostly because of the Class R Forthcoming part. Does a cycle mean all the mobs of the cycle, or specific ones?

Like, when it says "A guild will automatically move from Class R to Class C after the successful killing of any Class C specific mob." does it mean simply the Class C VP mobs?

Personally I have a problem with the idea that most of the proposals have in that the "T2 guilds" are allowed to jump into the competitive tier at any point to snipe their mobs a la Vox during the briefly implemented Sirken system. If you want to be competitive and fight over mobs, you should do it all the way and not be allowed to be in a casual rotation AND the opportunity to go snag mobs off the competitive tier. And ofc this is met with "isn't that what u guys want haha?", and I'd say it's moreso about it being disrespectful and generally lame. It's as if three siblings fight over the content's of a bag of candy, then when the bag is empty mom comes over and gives the youngest sibling his own bag. Really lame and ticks the other two kids off.

[myxomatosii]

This should be interesting.

[Nirgon]

Sometimes not enough Rogean
Sometimes too much Rogean

Confucius say find happy medium of Rogean

[Raavak]

And for guilds that want to try their metal in the Class C, with no training in VP you can easily enter, scout, get to know the zone. You can practice pulls and stuff. When a VP dragon pops it will still be very competitive, but the cutthroat stuff is a thing of the past. The "barrier" to entry into VP will be much lower in 2014.

[Erati]

Personally I have a problem with the idea that most of the proposals have in that the "T2 guilds" are allowed to jump into the competitive tier at any point to snipe their mobs a la Vox during the briefly implemented Sirken system. If you want to be competitive and fight over mobs, you should do it all the way and not be allowed to be in a casual rotation AND the opportunity to go snag mobs off the competitive tier. And ofc this is met with "isn't that what u guys want haha?", and I'd say it's moreso about it being disrespectful and generally lame. It's as if three siblings fight over the content's of a bag of candy, then when the bag is empty mom comes over and gives the youngest sibling his own bag. Really lame and ticks the other two kids off.

you are essentially talking about cockblocking smaller guilds from experiencing content which you deem isnt fair bc they arnt putting in the grueling hours the HCs do.

You realize the rotation ( if it even works) will spread that 1/3 of mobs across 8-14+ guilds eventually.

That is hardly anything game changing, and I will wager that the bigger Class R guilds ( with time to experience the content and grow together) will want to move up to your Tier for FFAing mobs all the time.

Rogeans plan offers the perfect structure for healthy growth of guilds on the server, rather than let them stagnate at an invisible wall, FORCING people to join TMO/FE just to see content.

[koros]

This proposal gives everyone more mobs. You guys are idiots if you reject it.

[Brut]

you are essentially talking about cockblocking smaller guilds from experiencing content which you deem isnt fair bc they arnt putting in the grueling hours the HCs do.
What are you on about? The way I understod this it's three cycles that revolve, first one is competitive guilds tier FFA, second is non-competitive guilds tier bag limit, third is full FFA for all tiers. Basically 33% each side + 33% FFA.

Don't really see the problem if that's the case; only cripe I'd have is if the non-competitive guilds were to also be allowed to hop freely into the competitive tier. But apparently that's not the case here?

[Erati]

only cripe I'd have is if the non-competitive guilds were to also be allowed to hop freely into the competitive tier. But apparently that's not the case here?

the only time Class R guilds are competitive versus another Class C guilds is during 'FFA period'. Tier upward movement is not finalized but in the plan it requires killing of a VP mob currently.

When you were suggesting that you didnt like guilds having a rotation and also being able to snipe mobs that is essentially cockblocking them because of their status.

If i misunderstood your point then I apologize.

[arsenalpow]

The TMO/FE/IB bracket would be 100% FFA because that's how they like to party. I'd suspect that tier 2 guilds would work out some type of rotation which will make the 2 cycle clause moot. Then who knows who will step their game up in the FFA portion. It will depend on how much the new PnP rules affect the scene.

[Brut]

The TMO/FE/IB bracket would be 100% FFA because that's how they like to party.
Strongly disagree then.

I prefer to party like that with people who also like to party that way, do not fancy idea of guys getting both their non-contested rotation mobs and also coming over to competitive side. They should pick just one.

[arsenalpow]

Me don't think me understands your beef wit plan. Tell harder.

[Nirgon]

This proposal gives everyone more mobs. You guys are idiots if you reject it.

Hello pal Koros, may Derubael spare you for this comment but you're right.

Way more interested in Telin's work than the "sanity vacation" that's going on right now.

[Erati]

Strongly disagree then.

I prefer to party like that with people who also like to party that way, do not fancy idea of guys getting both their non-contested rotation mobs and also coming over to competitive side. They should pick just one.

Do you not see the guild progression path laid out with Rogeans plan?

As guilds grow and experienced in Tier R, they will want more mobs than the rotation and occasional FFA period can feed them.

They will soon feel ready to be competitive for ALL mobs, and join Tier C to compete on those tier spawns and the FFA ones trying to gooble as many as they can.

If you are worried about the occasional Tier R guild snatching up a bunch of FFA spawns that is the Everquest your leaders have been preaching is the purest form.

[Brut]

Do you not see the guild progression path laid out with Rogeans plan?

As guilds grow and experienced in Tier R, they will want more mobs than the rotation and occasional FFA period can feed them.

They will soon feel ready to be competitive for ALL mobs, and join Tier C to compete on those tier spawns and the FFA ones trying to gooble as many as they can.

If you are worried about the occasional Tier R guild snatching up a bunch of FFA spawns that is the Everquest your leaders have been preaching is the purest form.

Soooo the idea is if they do snipe a mob off the Tier C cycle, they're immediately bumped to Tier C? Really confused about this aspect since I don't think it's male clear (and Chest posting that Tier R is free to snipe mobs at their leasure).

My problem with the idea of Tier R having free access to snipe mobs off Tier C constantly is that I don't respect that kind of play style at all. It teeters between competitive and casual, basically both eating and getting to keep their slice of the pie. If the server is split into chunks, casuals can have their rotation and the competitive guilds can compete. But guilds should not be allowed to have both, because that's gross. Like playing in the kid's hockey league and the adult league at the same time. If you think you're casual and need to have mobs left up just for you to see mobs, then you're in Tier R and that's how it works. But you can't do that AND then batphone raids to contest the competitive guilds. Choose one.

[Nirgon]

Real worried bout the A-Team and their gangs of charmed mobs.

Wonder how many VoG'd dual wielding Zol/Dar Knights it takes to drop Trak.

[Versus]

Sometimes not enough Rogean
Sometimes too much Rogean

Confucius say find happy medium of Rogean

QFT.

[Erati]

Soooo the idea is if they do snipe a mob off the Tier C cycle, they're immediately bumped to Tier C? Really confused about this aspect since I don't think it's male clear (and Chest posting that Tier R is free to snipe mobs at their leasure).


There are 3 cycles. Tier C, Tier R, FFA

Tier R guilds cannot snipe a Tier C spawned mob, just as Tier C guilds cannot snipe Tier R spawned mobs.

The only time a 'sniping' can occur ( for either Tier group) is during the 3rd cycle, the FFA cycle.

During FFA spawns anyone can engage anything.

The only way they get bumped up to Tier C ( currently as stands) is if they kill a VP dragon which would only occur during the FFA cycle OR if a Tier C guild 'lets' the Tier R guild have a free shot.

Does that clear your concern up?

TLDR: Tier R guilds cannot engage in any FFA versus Tier C cycle mobs unless its during the FFA cycle.

[Spacebar]

Soooo the idea is if they do snipe a mob off the Tier C cycle, they're immediately bumped to Tier C? Really confused about this aspect since I don't think it's male clear (and Chest posting that Tier R is free to snipe mobs at their leasure).

My problem with the idea of Tier R having free access to snipe mobs off Tier C constantly is that I don't respect that kind of play style at all. It teeters between competitive and casual, basically both eating and getting to keep their slice of the pie. If the server is split into chunks, casuals can have their rotation and the competitive guilds can compete. But guilds should not be allowed to have both, because that's gross. Like playing in the kid's hockey league and the adult league at the same time. If you think you're casual and need to have mobs left up just for you to see mobs, then you're in Tier R and that's how it works. But you can't do that AND then batphone raids to contest the competitive guilds. Choose one.

My understanding of it was this:

1st spawn of Mob A: Tier C compete, and it is full out competition between anybody who is in tier C. Tier R guilds don't compete in this part. You are tier C if you down a VP mob.

2nd spawn of Mob A: Tier R guilds do what they do (rotation or whatever). Tier C can't get them? Bag limits and such. Then again, it might be that tier C can compete, but the bag limit is in place still.

3rd spawn of Mob A: FFA but PnP

...and then the cycle starts again

This is for all raid mobs except those in VP which are exclusive to tier C.

I might be understanding it incorrectly, but that's what I gathered, and a few other clauses were in it.

[Brut]

Aight cool. Chest was claiming the opposite which is where the confusion stems.

[Erati]

What hasnt been worked out at all is if a Tier R spawned mob remains up for an inordinate amount of time ( over 6 hours or so) then it will become FFA for anyone in Tier C.

I think something like this will eventually be in there, however the Tiers need to work out this detail. We need enough time in there for casual guilds to have opportunities to form and get an attempt(s), however there needs to be a reasonable expectation that they shouldnt get too long of a time that it 'slows' down spawn cycles to the detriment of the other tier.

[Ele]

Real worried bout the A-Team and their gangs of charmed mobs.

Wonder how many VoG'd dual wielding Zol/Dar Knights it takes to drop Trak.


It's how Trak died the first time on the server.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5IKnThuAH0

[Nirgon]

It's how Trak died the first time on the server.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5IKnThuAH0

WHY YOU LITTLE MAGGOTS!

YOU MAKE ME WANT TO VOMIT!

http://navylonghorn.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/fullmetaljacketbdcap11.jpg

[koros]

Real worried bout the A-Team and their gangs of charmed mobs.

Wonder how many VoG'd dual wielding Zol/Dar Knights it takes to drop Trak.

4-5 boks could probably drop Trak.