Suggested fix for re-enabling staring at spellbook sub-35

[tristantio]

As you can see by the timelines here:

http://www.geek.com/games/everquest-gets-a-birthday-facelift-549422/

staring at a spellbook under level 35 was necessary until 2002 (well after Velious release in 2000).

Since the client will not support blocking the screen with the book, what if the blind effect were applied to players under level 35 with meditate active?

Would it be possible to swap the UI elements so the spell book/spell gems were layered on top of the screen after blind (instead of blind covering them all)?

Alternatively, could all NPC/PC characters be made invisible (sent as invisible by the server etc.) if the blind fix would not work?

[Teako]

Seems like some ridiculous requests just to attempt to re-enact one of the most annoying features in the game, for less than half of your leveling/playing.

[JayN]

you know whats annoying is no map nor compass but they did it!

[tristantio]

It isn't a ridiculous request, it is a suggestion to attempt to bring back something that was classic (hate it or love it).

There are many things that could be added to make it more current/fun, such as global chat channels, maps, compass etc. however those are not p99 specific nerfs having them removed, it is the point of the entire project (a true classic experience).

[Honest]

When you were meditating you were still able to see chat. Melee characters were important to have as they watched your back while medding. Dunno if the blind option would work.

[Gustoo]

Yeah. This is actually important. Kinda strange all the bad make-your-life-suck-more nerfs that have been implemented and this one (the most crippling) still hasn't

I'm a big fan of the HUD compass, i hate wasting hot key on sense heading.

[tristantio]

I believe a few UI elements paint on top of blind currently (I think maybe just the latency bar) - this would obviously require they be shuffled around so chat/book/spell gems were also on top.

It would sort of make sense that chat be displayed when blind anyways, since you are blind (not deaf).

[MasterKiljaedon]

This seems pointless when people with high resolutions can just push the book to the corner and ignore it blocking the game ui. I don't think it will work with Titan client.

[tristantio]

The blind effect takes up 100% of the screen, which is why I suggested applying it as a fix :)

[MasterKiljaedon]

I don't see this happening. The compass fix was easy to fix up and this is totally unnecessary. I'm still not sure it's possible to have a blind effect with chat overlays without it being easily circumvented. I love the nostalgia of eq but don't waste the time of nil/rogeans time better spent on future projects.

[Teako]

a true classic experience

So we should delete the real-time auction tracker, ban anyone who use(s/d) Allakhazam/Magelo/EQAtlas to research information posted before the time-relevant release in accordance with where our server is based off where the game would've been at time of posting.. We should ban anyone who uses any VOIP other than Roger Wilco, or a resolution larger than 1280x800..

While we're at it, we'll need to re-apply the pet weapon changes (level 1-60 mage pets doubling for 150 with weighted axe at 15 delay) - since it's classic.. We'll also need to remove the pet exp penalty..

We'll need to change FD, endurance, AC.. We'll also need to figure out a way to mandate the classic UI client - including banning ALL Duxa UI users.. Shits not classic!

Let's not forget we need to ban everyone who MQ'd an epic, because in classic you couldn't MQ epics to players lower than 45. Goodbye Rogue_Alt_001 - Rogue_Alt_9999 with Ragebringer.

OR...

We could use the developmental means of our kind and courteous to further Velious progression, ban dupers/scammers/RMT'ers, make the server a better place for ALL to be on (ala the recent raid scene changes with the addition of the "strictly" enforced play nice policy)


PS - Any change you're recommending at all would not be a 'true classic experience' and is automatically invalid based on your own argument. Only the true 'spellbook' would be applicable.. and even that is a total nightmare, and a waste of effort.

[Gustoo]

Yeah Teako, you're right.

Thats why I am so mad about removing compass for no reason when other stuff remained totally effed.

Hey wanna know a fun fact? On live in this era, ducking didn't automatically stop a spell, it interrupts it but it doesn't stop the timer (IE you wait the full cast time before u can cast a different spell)

But this classic nerf is implemented only on red, and not on blue for no reason.

Funny huh?

[applesauce25r624]

if only this forum had reps and negs...

[stewe]

As you can see by the timelines here:

http://www.geek.com/games/everquest-gets-a-birthday-facelift-549422/

staring at a spellbook under level 35 was necessary until 2002 (well after Velious release in 2000).

Since the client will not support blocking the screen with the book, what if the blind effect were applied to players under level 35 with meditate active?

Would it be possible to swap the UI elements so the spell book/spell gems were layered on top of the screen after blind (instead of blind covering them all)?

Alternatively, could all NPC/PC characters be made invisible (sent as invisible by the server etc.) if the blind fix would not work?

How convenient, you come up with this nice fix after most your characters are already past looking at books. Xenow 53 Necro / Tristantio 39 Shaman / Wonex 29 Shadow Knight

[Swish]

How convenient, you come up with this nice fix after most your characters are already past looking at books. Xenow 53 Necro / Tristantio 39 Shaman / Wonex 29 Shadow Knight

I doubt that's intentional. He's not like Getsome (who got his cleric epic then demanded Ragefire went to a 72 hour spawn).

It is proof though from the responses that people don't want a classic 1999 era experience with no item links etc. Spoiled kids I say... :p

[innocent51]

When I dont have mana and need to med I read a book IRL, does it fixes the problem?

[fastboy21]

pretty certain that devs have said that they can't do this...and if they could they would.

[bOONDOGGLE]

you know whats annoying is no map nor compass but they did it!

Everquest had maps? How is that fun?

[tristantio]

Its just coincidental [that my toons are mostly over 35], I was looking at classic stamina posts and came across the spell book (I had pretty much forgot about it) and the "fix" occurred to me.

Just FYI though, the realtime auction tracker simply reads /log data and uses C/Perl code that was readily available in 99 to push the /log data to the server and parse it out. While it didn't exist back in 99 (I was still in high school and a nub to programming) it definitely could have without any technical limitations.

I'm not advocating locking out any things external to the game, but I believe staring at the spell book pre-35 was a game play mechanic, not a technical issue.

Also, the realtime auction tracker would continue to work whether or not item links were removed, it does nothing more than read your /log data (which I believe /log has been in since eq's creation/alpha/beta).

[skipdog]

I'm all for classic, but this 'classic' suggestion wouldn't do anything except frustrate players. We aren't going to experience 'staring at spellbook' nostalgia. The change would add nothing but frustration to the playerbase.

[Kaleadar]

Spell book being required is a Client side issue. Will never happen here as 1) we cant modify the Client and 2) with the new UI you can just move spell book off the screen. Sadly we cant force the old "Classic" or "Velious" UI's w/o moding the Client.

Edit - All this has been discused like IDK... 2009?

[tristantio]

Please read OP - I suggest applying the blind effect as a workaround.

At a minimum, we could have a button that is required to be clicked under level 35 called "Meditate" which sits the player, allows meditation to work, and applies the blind effect.

[Skittlez]

The blind effect takes up 100% of the screen, which is why I suggested applying it as a fix :)

Dumbest thread of 2014

[Hawala]

It isn't a ridiculous request, it is a suggestion to attempt to bring back something that was classic (hate it or love it).

There are many things that could be added to make it more current/fun, such as global chat channels, maps, compass etc. however those are not p99 specific nerfs having them removed, it is the point of the entire project (a true classic experience).

I'm sorry this is a terrible request. There's no point to do in doing it now, you're giving new players a serious disadvantage compared to established players who have 10 level 35+.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

Meditation is supposed to cleanse the mind. I do not see how reading the book declutters the mind.

Spellbook meditation is inconsistent with lore. I am formally lodging a petition to have eq magic mimic how magic acts IRL.

You're welcome

[nilbog]

This was discussed in the past.

Might be possible to do something like.. if spellbook open, and player < 35, make the screen have blind effects (black), with the spellbook on top of it. Rogean had mentioned it might be possible. I do not think it will be possible to replicate the 'Meditate' button as it once was.

In August 2000, they removed the necessity of clicking the 'meditate' button while spellbook was open, and also removed the /meditate command. Meditating still required the spellbook to be open, prior to level 35.

Pre-35 spellbook meditating was removed altogether in 2002.

Despite what people have said in this thread, it's the best idea yet for > 800x600 UIs and spellbook medding.

[Erati]

omg i forgot about not clicking the button from time to time

that was the worst after 'medding' for 15 min when it turned out you actually weren't!

whoops

[Lisset]

You're always welcome to close your eyes while you med.

[nilbog]

Very rarely will humans choose to nerf themselves.

[Talawen]

This was discussed in the past.



Despite what people have said in this thread, it's the best idea yet for > 800x600 UIs and spellbook medding.

If we were only to see our spell books with a blind effect that means the rest of the UI would be black? I think that would be terrible if we basically had to med blind not being able to chat or see health bars.

[Nocte]

in classic you couldn't MQ epics to players lower than 45. Goodbye Rogue_Alt_001 - Rogue_Alt_9999 with Ragebringer.

I'd like to see this happen, anyway.

[Swish]

You're always welcome to close your eyes while you med.

lol

[Nirgon]

This needs to go hand in hand with the classic UI restoration effort tbh for a real classic feel.

Nothing like medding and having only your hearing to detect problems.

Shit's immersive. Feels me?

[nilbog]

If we were only to see our spell books with a blind effect that means the rest of the UI would be black? I think that would be terrible if we basically had to med blind not being able to chat or see health bars.

Those are different UI elements. It should also have chat window, party, target, name, health/mana, abilities, inventory hotbuttons etc.

i.e. everything this one has:

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x205/Daldaen/EQ000070.jpg

[nilbog]

This needs to go hand in hand with the classic UI restoration effort

And if that's not doable, or takes years? The main reason I like this proposal is because you get the spellbook effect while retaining a > 800x600 resolution.

[Talawen]

Those are different UI elements. It should also have chat window, party, target, name, health/mana, abilities, inventory hotbuttons etc.

i.e. everything this one has:

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x205/Daldaen/EQ000070.jpg

ah excellent, for a second I thought we would just be seeing a spellbook floating in the darkness of space.

I would love to see how people handle one chat box (classic.) hope their mouse wheel is prepared to scroll because all that text in one little box was insane at times.

[fastboy21]

casters are very powerful in classic EQ...two of the big reasons to not play a caster in classic were having to be vulnerable while medding (not yet implemented) and manually memming your spells (this has been implemented, no more saved spell lists).

staring at the spellbook wasn't just an immersion thing. it actually affected game play. you were effectively blind if you wanted to med up faster. this affected your ability to solo in certain places and also required you to trust group mates if you were grouping.

getting jumped by a mob as you med (full damage from sitting) can almost kill a low lvl caster in many zones.

while i agree that removing it was a thing that made EQ better in the long run (why the eventually removed it on live) it was a real part of the game balancing for casters imo in classic.

[nilbog]

ah excellent, for a second I thought we would just be seeing a spellbook floating in the darkness of space.

I would love to see how people handle one chat box (classic.) hope their mouse wheel is prepared to scroll because all that text in one little box was insane at times.

To be clear.. that is what I mean :T The spellbook, and other currently movable UI elements on a black background. Standing for any reason would end the blind effect.

I linked that pic to show the different elements of current UI which would be visible.

[Talawen]

ya i thought you meant JUST the spell book and nothing else. im clear on what you mean now and thats fine.

edit: I thought you meant this
http://i.imgur.com/Vxsi2eB.jpg

without the rest of the UI.

[Talawen]

so in theory it would look something like this?

http://i.imgur.com/7NPdaNE.jpg

or could you actually force the 800x600 UI at that point on to someone?

[nilbog]

so in theory it would look something like this?

http://i.imgur.com/7NPdaNE.jpg

or could you actually force the 800x600 UI at that point on to someone?

That ^ with the spell book element as well. I don't see forcing a 800x600 ui until we have a legit classic UI to use.

[nilbog]

casters are very powerful in classic EQ...two of the big reasons to not play a caster in classic were having to be vulnerable while medding (not yet implemented) and manually memming your spells (this has been implemented, no more saved spell lists).

staring at the spellbook wasn't just an immersion thing. it actually affected game play. you were effectively blind if you wanted to med up faster. this affected your ability to solo in certain places and also required you to trust group mates if you were grouping.

getting jumped by a mob as you med (full damage from sitting) can almost kill a low lvl caster in many zones.

while i agree that removing it was a thing that made EQ better in the long run (why the eventually removed it on live) it was a real part of the game balancing for casters imo in classic.

Totally agree with this. PVE and PVP.

[Skittlez]

If the devs add this back in they're gonna piss off a lot of people. All because boohoo it's not classic without it. At the VERY most the devs should allow as an option that can be toggled with a / command or a checkbox in the options for all you titty babies that actually want this dumb shit.

[Rooj]

If you don't want classic EQ, why are you here?

[nilbog]

..piss..boohoo..not classic..option../command..checkbox..titty babies..dumb shit.

I understand your opinions/concern, but it is irrelevant to my personal interest.

Provided we had the means to launch a fully classic server in 2009, that's what we would have done.

[Thulack]

casters are very powerful in classic EQ...two of the big reasons to not play a caster in classic were having to be vulnerable while medding (not yet implemented) and manually memming your spells (this has been implemented, no more saved spell lists).

staring at the spellbook wasn't just an immersion thing. it actually affected game play. you were effectively blind if you wanted to med up faster. this affected your ability to solo in certain places and also required you to trust group mates if you were grouping.

getting jumped by a mob as you med (full damage from sitting) can almost kill a low lvl caster in many zones.

while i agree that removing it was a thing that made EQ better in the long run (why the eventually removed it on live) it was a real part of the game balancing for casters imo in classic.

Or you just use Hide or Invise while medding.

[Skittlez]

If you don't want classic EQ, why are you here?

It's got more than enough classic for me, breh. This game doesn't need one of its worst additions added back in to it.

[Rooj]

When I heard about this server, I didn't think to myself, "Oh man, I hope this is classic EQ without all the 'annoying' things like book medding, hybrid penalties, and Luclin UI." I, like Nilbog, want a server that is as much like classic EQ as absolutely possible. I would love to have the classic UI. I was fairly turned off when I found out it was sort of impossible.

I don't see why this would "piss so many people off," book medding was only up to level 35 anyway. Getting to 35 is not hard.

[Rooj]

It's got more than enough classic for me, breh. This game doesn't need one of its worst additions added back in to it.

Yes but what you and I want doesn't matter, this is Nilbog's server. If he figures out a way to implement this, you had best start getting used to it - cause it will be coming.

[fastboy21]

Or you just use Hide or Invise while medding.

Yes.

You were required to take special precautions, actions, and make considerations because of the effect that medding (i.e. staring at the book blinding you) had on actual game play.

I would hardly say that hide/invis makes being blind while medding an obsolete risk, but yes...those would be some of the extra precautions you might take to protect yourself as a caster (if you have access to them). There are others as well.

[fastboy21]

Yes but what you and I want doesn't matter, this is Nilbog's server. If he figures out a way to implement this, you had best start getting used to it - cause it will be coming.

People made the same groans when we switched from saved spell lists to manually swapping.

In the long run, I think most folks would agree that it was the right thing to do for the server.

Losing spell lists is actually more difficult to you as a caster than being blind while medding imo because it means manually swapping spells forever (not just up until lvl 35)---god love anyone who kept playing a buffing class after that change went live.

[baalzy]

Yes.

You were required to take special precautions, actions, and make considerations because of the effect that medding (i.e. staring at the book blinding you) had on actual game play.

I would hardly say that hide/invis makes being blind while medding an obsolete risk, but yes...those would be some of the extra precautions you might take to protect yourself as a caster (if you have access to them). There are others as well.

Going invis/hiding also wasn't viable if you used a pet.

Of course, after lvl 35 you could med without the spellbook anyways so it's not like this would make a major major difference to people for long. Just an annoyance while on an alt.

[Dirtnap]

The number of people here for the wrong reasons is starting to bother me. Why the hell are people here for Classic EQ, and then saying "We don't want classic!"

Classic up or get out.

[hynch]

Let's just do away with medding completely. Make the mana bar just a fancy colored line like in WoW!

[Aviann]

Tbh, this would dim down the amount of some of the more OP farming classes on this server, and maybe cause a cutback in the growth of them. I agree, it sucks, but it is classic, and I think the effect, although it would be agitating, would be more beneficial... Regardless, it is classic.

[tristantio]

It also adds some needed risk to root rot/snare kiting (and medding while pet tanks).

[Vega]

Those are different UI elements. It should also have chat window, party, target, name, health/mana, abilities, inventory hotbuttons etc.

i.e. everything this one has:

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x205/Daldaen/EQ000070.jpg

Does anyone know what the Velious UI looked like while book medding?

[SamwiseRed]

Does anyone know what the Velious UI looked like while book medding?

on eq mac whether you were in box UI or velious UI, when you medded it would put u in box UI.

dat make sense?

i actually dont know because I didnt know about velious UI til luclin lol.

[nilbog]

Does anyone know what the Velious UI looked like while book medding?

Pretty much exactly like that, except 10 hotkeys. IIRC.

[webrunner5]

Well if he makes it happen probably the last day I play on here. I am a alt freak. Almost all casters. Sure as hell am not going though that crap again.

And there was a REASON the original Devs got rid of all the stupid stuff they screwed up in the start up.

[NextGenesis88]

I would suggest throwing a fit until they decide against it.

http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/temper-tantrums-0.jpg

[Menaan]

I would have to agree that if something like this ever got implemented I most likely would not make another caster on the server lol.

I play on this server for the classic feel, which includes difficulty to level, hardness of mobs, spells and items available, what zones are populated, etc. UI elements, or removal of good changes to the game that did not adversely effect game play, simply because they weren't that way in classic do not contribute to the classic feel for me.

At the same time on live servers the spellbook was never an issue for me because I'm one of the people that 2 boxed pretty much since 99. (I didn't actually get a second copy until about 4 or 5 months after release when I realized you could not always depend on a group to be available and most classes couldn't solo for crap). So I nearly always had a non caster character that could see what was going on while one was medding lol. That is probably why I don't consider staring at the spellbook an integral part to the classic feeling.

But as others have stated, the people who run this server will pretty much change things how they see fit regardless to how people feel about it. So I'll enjoy the ride until they make one of those changes that I can't handle hehe :)

[RiffDaemon]

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x205/Daldaen/EQ000070.jpg

This makes my pants tighter. I really hope that classic UI project sees the finish line.

[baalzy]

Level 35 isn't that hard to get. It'll be like 1/5th of your total time spent leveling that char, yet alone your total time PLAYING that char.

I'm not exactly excited about it going in, but if it does, whatever. It's not going to stop me from making casters ever again. It might make me a little more inclined to pay for PLs to get to 35 though :x

[webrunner5]

When you find out how many more times you will die staring at a spell book a lot of people won't be so happy about it being classic.

You are talking about not being able to see ANYTHING not even the Tank when sitting. Let alone what is coming for you, or how many mobs there are, and if you are crowd control it is a total surprise when you stand what you even need to do. It will suck ass. So the healer in particular is pretty much blind all the time. Oh what fun that is just looking at a F'ing book and the group health bar all day.

And you can kiss your full screen mode away also. He is talking 800 x 600 folks.

[Danth]

That's why it was nice having a melee or two in the group...they stood guard whilst the casters medded up. Solo, it's not a big issue if you plan ahead and med in a place with either no roamers, or at least predictable ones. It's also, historically, a big part of why most tanks/pullers got in the habit of using "incoming!" macros.

That being said, spellbook medding was stupid and I won't lose any sleep if they never get it working.

Danth

[rollin5k]

Wow some real babies in here.
It was classic and it rocked.

[Roth]

Meh, I really don't want this. Pre-35 hurts casual players more than anything, doesn't affect higher level players. I like this server because I enjoyed eq as a game and an experience how it used to be. I actually feel this would sort of kill the experience as a caster. A lot of sitting literally staring at a blank screen and not being able to enjoy the scenery.

[Doze]

I can only LOL at the level of ridiculous classic fanaticism advocated by some people on the forums (and in game) from time to time.

If they do decide to implement something like this then watch the number of online people permanently drop to the very low hundreds - if even that many.

[radditsu]

Wow some real babies in here.
It was classic and it rocked.

Yall trollin. Or living life rose tinted

[Rhambuk]

If they do decide to implement something like this then watch the number of online people permanently drop to the very low hundreds - if even that many.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah aha

[Wrench]

is kinda funny to see the classic or dies in here

not sure this change not being in 'trivializes' anything currently

[Danth]

In fairness, the fanatics are the sort of folks who'd do something really nutso, like invest thousands of hours into building an emulator server of that game. I sure never would have, so I guess I'm glad such folks exist.

Danth

[BahamutDF]

Wow some real babies in here.
It was classic and it rocked.

I don't get the concept of flaming people who disagree with things like this topic. It's a stupid mechanic. The question is whether or not that statement is even relevant, I.E - regardless of opinions it's in or it isn't. The server has been up for 5 years. If it was this way from the start I could totally understand. But to make a major change like this 5 years into the server to me makes little sense. I came here for the classic experience, but am relieved at the fact that I also don't have to "suck up" *every single* dumb mechanic the original game had.

If that makes me a "baby" so be it. With that said, arguing about it is moot because it's nilbog's server and if he wants to implement he will implement it. That's pretty much the bottom line.

If it gets implemented will I still play? Of course! Will I be happy? No way! But it's not my decision to make nor is it anyone else's but nilbog et al, and I believe they stated they're working on it or at least the intent was to make this change. Is what it is. As was stated, humans rarely choose to nerf themselves, and I'm not going to choose this mechanic unless it is part of the server rule book.

Typing from my phone sucks.

Edit: the talk about it being a balance against casters. What's the balance for all the über twinked melee running around? I don't think I've had one group without at least one melee char twinked to the 9s. Including 2 epic rogues in their teens. I've nothing against twinking and find it fun myself but don't get the argument about caster balance when rogues can MQ their epic at level one. Seems like a fair compromise.

[Ahldagor]

spell book medding was the one thing i hated while playing let it be gone forever i say

[rollin5k]

this server is founded on classic fanaticism.
THATS WHY IT'S THE BESTEST

[fastboy21]

The number of people here for the wrong reasons is starting to bother me. Why the hell are people here for Classic EQ, and then saying "We don't want classic!"

Classic up or get out.

I've noticed a lot more people that are here because it is free. Its also fun. Free fun.

How dare they not be classic die hards! :p

[fastboy21]

Edit: the talk about it being a balance against casters. What's the balance for all the über twinked melee running around? I don't think I've had one group without at least one melee char twinked to the 9s. Including 2 epic rogues in their teens. I've nothing against twinking and find it fun myself but don't get the argument about caster balance when rogues can MQ their epic at level one. Seems like a fair compromise.

Getting it right doesn't necessarily have anything to do with balance. Classic EQ was probably one of the most unbalanced top tier MMOs ever made. The comparison of why melee can be twinked to caster spell books just doesn't even make sense to me...they are totally unrelated issues.

If you want to see the natural progression EQ takes when you pursue balance you need look no further than the current live game----which many people (despite what you hear on p99) actually still enjoy.

[Nephazz]

Let's kickstart a game where you just stare at a black screen 80% of the time, that should satisfy your needs.

[Millburn]

Make it so the blind spell actually just gives you a giant spell book on your screen instead of black nothingness. This way we can tell how Nilbog keeps his spells sorted.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

As someone who PLs all chars to at least 40, this would be hilarious.

[Nephazz]

Oh, and get rid of Alt+Tab while we're at it.

[khanable]

Wasn't there considerable movement on the trilogy client?

Shit, get that working and just force everyone to move to that

I'd buy a CRT for that shit

[nilbog]

Bunch of haters in here.

[Juhstin]

Bunch of haters in here.

Bring down the hammer on da haters

[BahamutDF]

Getting it right doesn't necessarily have anything to do with balance. Classic EQ was probably one of the most unbalanced top tier MMOs ever made. The comparison of why melee can be twinked to caster spell books just doesn't even make sense to me...they are totally unrelated issues.

If you want to see the natural progression EQ takes when you pursue balance you need look no further than the current live game----which many people (despite what you hear on p99) actually still enjoy.

I'm sorry, my point was poorly articulated because I was typing from my phone. Maybe I can make some more sense of it:

Earlier in the thread, I was reading an argument FOR this change basing it on the fact that casters are "OP" on P99 and that forcing them to stare at a spellbook to med was, in fact, a crude form of balance against them. It followed that because this feature is missing, casters have more of an advantage than was intended by Verant.

My point was merely that it seems silly to argue for this feature in the name of balance and that, unless the majority wanted it, that the only "valid" reason for implementing it is that it would be classic. If not having to look at the spellbook contributes to casters being OP, what then, does Rogue's MQing their epic at level 1 (amongst other things for other classes) contribute to?

Might be a tenuous link, but the idea was simply that "for balance" IMO is a poor reason to implement this.

[Asap]

Bunch of haters in here.

[Rystar]

All this stupid change would do is hurt new players who are below 35. Why bother now that 90% of the population already went through their 1-35 without having to do it.

[fastboy21]

All this stupid change would do is hurt new players who are below 35. Why bother now that 90% of the population already went through their 1-35 without having to do it.

Imagine a land and time far far away...imagine a server to launch some day in the future not our own current one. imagine with me that on that day the new server will be classic from launch through the end with a classic timeline...

imagine...

[webrunner5]

I really can't imagine a new, and I mean new player to EQ, lasting one f'ing day starting a caster looking at a stupid spell book in this day and age. Ain't happening. :o

[Lisset]

Oh, and get rid of Alt+Tab while we're at it.

This.

It's the essence of the "it's classic" whine. People want to pick and choose what classic "features" are there. And if it were possible to disable task switching, I guarantee the population would go from 1200 to 200 almost immediately. If that.

[fastboy21]

I really can't imagine a new, and I mean new player to EQ, lasting one f'ing day starting a caster looking at a stupid spell book in this day and age. Ain't happening. :o

and?

[tristantio]

I guess no one ever used the bind sight spell to keep an eye out while medding?

As it is, there's almost no point to those spells.

[Lisset]

Just like there's almost no point to Identify or Extinguish Fatigue. What's your point?

[fastboy21]

if you've ever done a quest with multiple bits all with the same name in your bank then you'd know why you need identify.

[Rhambuk]

I guess no one ever used the bind sight spell to keep an eye out while medding?

As it is, there's almost no point to those spells.

enc and mage get sentinel, necro gets sight graft. the only thing with bind sight is there isnt always a good target.

there are ways around it. time your mana ticks, post tick stand up look around sit down to get a tick or to get up and take a quick look.

[Rhambuk]

if you've ever done a quest with multiple bits all with the same name in your bank then you'd know why you need identify.

VP key quest was my first need for identify, ended up doing star of wheel quest for instant id clicky for my rogue. every spell has a use, though magnify vision is pretty useless maybe if it went farther

[Aviann]

This.

It's the essence of the "it's classic" whine. People want to pick and choose what classic "features" are there. And if it were possible to disable task switching, I guarantee the population would go from 1200 to 200 almost immediately. If that.

This isn't classic, this is stupid. Getting rid of windowed mode would be classic. People were still able to Alt+Tab to a different window, despite many people's shitty PC builds.

[Lisset]

This isn't classic, this is stupid. Getting rid of windowed mode would be classic. People were still able to Alt+Tab to a different window, despite many people's shitty PC builds.

Nope. You weren't, I was there.

[Teako]

There was absolutely always even in brand new classic being able to hit Alt+R (at very very very first release) and then later changed to alt+enter to enter windowed mode.

[NachtMystium]

I'd take no item links before spellbook staring

[Clark]

Seems like some ridiculous requests just to attempt to re-enact one of the most annoying features in the game, for less than half of your leveling/playing.

[baalzy]

There was absolutely always even in brand new classic being able to hit Alt+R (at very very very first release) and then later changed to alt+enter to enter windowed mode.

If this is true, then... damnit. You know how many freaking times I had to log out, go to allakhazam, find what I needed and PRINT that shit so I could finish a quest or find the correct camp because I couldn't just switch to a browser window?

Also... Now that I think about this, I don't think your right. WinEQ came about specifically so people COULD windowed mode EQ.

[myriverse]

Yeah, there was no way to window mode or alt-tab EQ in the beginning. That came later.

I think a select few could, because of some strange thing with their computers, but it was not supposed to be able to happen.