nbg not in effect in sebilis?

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

I've been haunting sebilis for around a month or so now. lvl 55. Not too over the top, not calling attention to myself, the George Costanza of enchanters.

Went down to disco tonight and we had a good fight down. Some drama even. But then, Gruplinort spawned and we killed him, despite threats from another group he would be stolen.

So what to do with the Bonecaster's Robe?

Apparently, we random. Even though my current robe is an Advisor's Robe. And I am the only int caster in the group.

Well,you know what? Fuck you.

I won't list your names unless you want me to. But fuck you.

This is my main. I play one character. It was potential ec plat to you. It was my upgrade.

Oh! I'm whining!

No. I'm not whining. I especially call out the douche emzee or some rogue ffrom TMO, who dared to call me "bro" and say "we usually just random items in seb bro."

Fuck you.

And if you think I am angry, you are misreading my message. I seriously mean to everyone in my group tonight. Fuck you. That was wrong and you know it. We would not have taken that camp if I wasn't there.

sadre

[chu]

/rand better next time imo

[Mac Dretti]

Add it to the loot schedule. Groups need to be broken down into a tier system.

[Itap]

This is the problem with PUGs

Edit-This is server chat, not RnF.

[Thulack]

nbg isnt honored on this server unless your basically with friends or guildies. Sucks but way it is.

[big mouth chew]

ninja it and say III earned it IIIII deserve it

[Kingore]

Pretty sure they could sell that in ec and buy something that benefits them.

If you want to do nbg want to camp skeleton warlords in KC with me? I am a monk who does not have a tstaff.

Voting yes on emscee or whatever his name is.

[Pringles]

Establish loot rules before you go to the camp, if you arent happy with the groups rules, find another group.

[Sebekkha]

Never forget having to greed roll a pawbuster pipe because of its mq value and losing to a druid .... I'm pretty sure I Q'd out in sheer disbelief

[zanderklocke]

My guild doesn't even really do need before greed. A-Team rolls on everything, and probability usually works itself out. Also encourages people to do activities that don't have drops that would benefit them.

[Mac Dretti]

ninja it and say III earned it IIIII deserve it

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/6742220544/h14B3647D/

[goshozal]

If you've really made it to 55 on an enchanter and you don't have enough to buy yourself better than advisor robe... I really don't know what to say to you.

This post was hilarious.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Not a single player has told you to plan on NBGing?

For shame.

[Daldaen]

Pretty sure they could sell that in ec and buy something that benefits them.

This is the argument I generally see and it's somewhat tough to argue with.

Though I feel different about no drop stuff or epic pieces.

But NBG is something a group should determine before you start killing.

[Poetic]

I am guessing had you won a runedbranded girdle or sebsilian berzerker cloak you wouldn't be posting this message on the forums about losing a 3k robe. And how the hell have you not made that amount of plat to buy one yourself after a month of grouping in SEB. I truly do not understand.

[Sarius]

I think it is messed up because it is a cheaper item. For the love of god tho, go kill Seafuries for a night or two and buy one

[Aaron]

Depends on the group makeup.

If I'm in a group that insists on rolling on a specific item someone in the group needs, I'll usually roll and let them have my roll if it's the highest. Maybe that was the intention of one or more of the members of your group.

Some people are just greedy for dem pixels.

[Xadion]

I am sure it was said... Never assume groups follow anything... Establish loot procedure at the beginning or ask when joining.

[Thana8088]

Not a single player has told you to plan on NBGing?

For shame.

Bwahahaha

[myxomatosii]

nbg isnt honored on this server unless your basically with friends or guildies. Sucks but way it is.

Standard practice.

Establish loot rules before you go to the camp, if you arent happy with the groups rules, find another group.

^^ This one million times, not asking upon joining means you can't complain ^^

I am sure it was said... Never assume groups follow anything... Establish loot procedure at the beginning or ask when joining.

Same as above.

[Swish]

I agree with Sadre, its shitty to lose a roll on an item that was an upgrade. I support NBG but "most" groups don't think that way. It's the sad result of the economy on this server, everyone has 1 eye on how much plat is in their bank because Velious items are going to be so overpriced and everyone wants a piece EARLY!

You'll all see Velious release, then wish it hadn't been released in terms of the economy and how much plat everyone is sitting on. If you have 50k or less in your bank, you won't be getting pixels without camping them yourself, and good luck getting a camp ;)

[radditsu]

This should be in my forum

[goshozal]

This should be in my forum

You should be in your forum.

[Whiteberry]

Just outta curiosity who was In the grp..

[Reguiy]

Sick rant. I wanna bust a nut on tha part where you say you not mad salty n' then you proceed ta curse, insult mah playas up in yo' group, n' just all round rant. Bein mad salty is not a god damn thang ta be ashamed of lil' one.

[Lammy]

I've been haunting sebilis

sadre

[Freakish]

I'm a greedy little bitch who would sell it and bank the plat then buy bigger items.

[Pheer]

If you're a 55 enchanter and cant farm the pp to buy something better than an o-robe in one play session then I think you're doing something wrong

[hatelore]

I've been haunting sebilis for around a month or so now. lvl 55. Not too over the top, not calling attention to myself, the George Costanza of enchanters.

Went down to disco tonight and we had a good fight down. Some drama even. But then, Gruplinort spawned and we killed him, despite threats from another group he would be stolen.

So what to do with the Bonecaster's Robe?

Apparently, we random. Even though my current robe is an Advisor's Robe. And I am the only int caster in the group.

Well,you know what? Fuck you.

I won't list your names unless you want me to. But fuck you.

This is my main. I play one character. It was potential ec plat to you. It was my upgrade.

Oh! I'm whining!

No. I'm not whining. I especially call out the douche emzee or some rogue ffrom TMO, who dared to call me "bro" and say "we usually just random items in seb bro."

Fuck you.

And if you think I am angry, you are misreading my message. I seriously mean to everyone in my group tonight. Fuck you. That was wrong and you know it. We would not have taken that camp if I wasn't there.

sadre

You know how many rbg's I saw drop before I eventually won one? Same with fungis and seb cloaks? More then your qq tears are worth bro~ FFA random is the name of the game in seb, cry less and random better as the other guy said.

[Ella`Ella]

I have a Tola robe sitting on me in EC. I usually just /ran items like these to give to guildies that need it, but lost or weren't around. /t unbrella and it's all yours.

[Emsee]

Listen bro, I honestly would have given you the robe had I won it however I didn't. I was just letting you know that the shaman wasn't obligated to give it to you, bro. Bitching up and gating out over a 3k robe was pretty lame bro. As stated, you wouldn't have had this issue if a cloak etc. dropped. Not sure why you tried to call me out, I did nothing to you, bro.







Emsee

[Tiggles]

I have a Tola robe sitting on me in EC. I usually just /ran items like these to give to guildies that need it, but lost or weren't around. /t unbrella and it's all yours.

Don't give anything to Sadre Umbrella, he is a retard.

[Pheer]

Bitching up and gating out over a 3k robe was pretty lame bro.

If this is true then sadre's diva status is confirmed and all credibility lost, this is just a RNF thread thinly veiled as a super serious discussion on important issues the community faces

[Shaakglith12194]

I was in this group and although it's nice when groups do nbg, don't expect nbg to be the case if you don't ask when joining the group. If I had won the roll and he asked me for it, I would have given it to him. But seriously, why at level 55, after hunting in seb for a month, should anyone else be on the hook for you not spending the plat to gear yourself? It was very unprofessional of you to immediately disband, gate, and then make this post on the forums.

[Reguiy]

Bitching up and gating out over a 3k robe was pretty lame bro.

The plot thickens!

[Reguiy]

P.S. - Confused as to how this isn't in RNF yet.

[Rararboker]

If you've really made it to 55 on an enchanter and you don't have enough to buy yourself better than advisor robe... I really don't know what to say to you.

This post was hilarious.

If you're a 55 enchanter and cant farm the pp to buy something better than an o-robe in one play session then I think you're doing something wrong



Those guys got it right, IMO. And not to be overly mean but I played with you in a group before. You didn't charm a pet for DPS and barely mezzed stuff. Get those things down and you may have better luck getting plat and items.

[Wrench]

Listen bro, I honestly would have given you the robe had I won it however I didn't. I was just letting you know that the shaman wasn't obligated to give it to you, bro. Bitching up and gating out over a 3k robe was pretty lame bro. As stated, you wouldn't have had this issue if a cloak etc. dropped. Not sure why you tried to call me out, I did nothing to you, bro.

not sure if this is a troll post, with all the superfluous 'bros' and newly created account, but i got a good laugh out of it

[loramin]

NBG is just plain unfair in pickup groups. Unless the camp you're at has exactly one item of the same exact price for every member of the group, someone gets screwed by NBG.

I love how OP complains about how "wrong" it is that his group did things randomly, but he sees nothing wrong in telling someone "come group with us ... you won't get any loot and we will because this camp has stuff we need and you don't, but come group anyway." Because that's what essentially what you're saying when you do NBG in a pickup group.

[Tecmos Deception]

NBG is fine when everyone is for it, but it's just an arbitrary loot system at the base. It's not like you "need" the item more than a guy who sells it in EC then "needs" the pp to buy an upgrade ... for some reason a lot of people just think cutting out the middle step makes them holier-than-thou.

Chanters especially have no reason to complain about missing out on loot. You COULD solo disco 1 at 55, after all, though it would be very difficult.

[Tecmos Deception]

Bitching up and gating out over a 3k robe was pretty lame bro

Hah :)

[Emsee]

not sure if this is a troll post, with all the superfluous 'bros' and newly created account, but i got a good laugh out of it



Most know me as Ehmcee from Blades of Wrath, or Emsee in TMO. I just don't post here, but honestly pissed me off that he called me out when I would have given him the robe and was just trying to help him out with the info.

[August]

Step 1) Be a Gnome
Step 2) Wear Robe of the Ishva for dat sweet CHA

In all seriousness though it's pretty shitty to actually need something and not be able to go and camp it due to the whole 'we greed everything' mentality on the server. I understand it, especially with large ticket items. If I won a SBC I may not even have a melee class, but I would probably make an alt just so I could use it.

Fun fact: When I was in that same camp as a 53? enchanter, the robe dropped and the dude who won messaged me saying he'd give me the robe if I'd give him my robe. We swapped garments and I've been rocking that sweet sweet bonecaster digs since. I think I had a siren scale robe? Not really sure, i'm all about the aesthetics.

[hatelore]

NBG is just plain unfair in pickup groups. Unless the camp you're at has exactly one item of the same exact price for every member of the group, someone gets screwed by NBG.

I love how OP complains about how "wrong" it is that his group did things randomly, but he sees nothing wrong in telling someone "come group with us ... you won't get any loot and we will because this camp has stuff we need and you don't, but come group anyway." Because that's what essentially what you're saying when you do NBG in a pickup group.

qft

[Ella`Ella]

Don't give anything to Sadre Umbrella, he is a retard.

You've known me for over a year and you still spell my name with an "m". Who's the retard?

[Eunomia]

P.S. - Confused as to how this isn't in RNF yet.

It's a good lesson for all.

The server is not NBG friendly.

Define loot rules as soon as you are invited to a group. Stay if you like them, leave if you don't.

[Dagner]

If you had been playing at the beginning of Kunark when most items were upgrades and players didn't have a lot, there were far more NBG groups. In fact, I was the leader of the first group that had a tranquil staff drop and despite being in a group with 2 RL friends and mainly guildies, we gave it to the PUG monk. Now that most people have multiple 60s and tons of items, and you are in the minority being a completely new character, people are not as generous unfortunately.

My advice is meet some friends and group with them more often; then when something drops that you need it is easier to make a point to get it.

[Rhambuk]

The server is not NBG friendly.


I've learned my lesson. I tend to roll with nbg but after having so many casters roll on melee loot saying I need the money for spells. Then go solo guess what your a caster chances are you can solo pretty much anything, im a melee over 50 i cant solo dick to get money.

not directed at op, i feel your pain but this server is not nbg friendly.

[Xelris]

Get more friends in your group. It may be a dirty tactic but if three people are rolling for you and three aren't, your chances improve.

Or another option, and I'm guessing this wasn't employed, you could have simply asked for it. It's always worth a shot.

There isn't any magnanimity to count on in a pickup group. You might get it, you might not. Some people will take a camp and get a torpor drop, and will give it to the 60 shaman in group. This is great, but it's not to be counted on at all.

Grow thicker skin, stay in the group and roll on a zerker cloak when it drops or something. If anyone bitches they don't have a leg to stand on.

[fastboy21]

The loot rules are what you agree on when you join the group...if you don't like the rules when you join, drop the group. If you don't think to ask before loot drops that is your fault (all you can do is cry about it).

On this server, and on live (I think this thread started like a day after launch in 1999) for that matter, lots of folks---for good reasons---don't like to do NBG.

Bottom line, ask when you join a grp. If you can't agree to the rules don't stay in the group.

[sox7d]

So you get it and its an upgrade, 3 weeks later you buy tolampuj's robe and you sell the bonecaster robe. unless you plan on tracking those people down and distributing that plat, i say you're the asshole in the situation.

[Doors]

Saw some monk NBG a tranq staff years ago. He lost roll and threw a fit, so the group gave it to him.

2 days later saw him selling it in EC.

NBG sucks and I don't blame people for not doing it.

[chu]

at the end of the day who really cares what robe you wear to ec tunnel?

[Rhambuk]

at the end of the day who really cares what robe you wear to ec tunnel?

Style is 99% of what eq is about.

[Pheer]

I rolled against an enchanter for VoG in crypt and won but I didnt feel guilty at all

[Pint]

Plane of hate is back on the menu and your lvl55, join a guild negro

[Ella`Ella]

Saw some monk NBG a tranq staff years ago. He lost roll and threw a fit, so the group gave it to him.

2 days later saw him selling it in EC.

NBG sucks and I don't blame people for not doing it.

I was in a Chardok AoE group some time ago and a Stave of Shielding dropped (valued around 30k at the time). The group decided that it was deserving to give it to our monk/puller, as it was relatively his BiS at the time. That monk was Option, who later joined our guild and was one of the best assets to Forceful Entry and one of our most talented members.

[AbyssKEQ]

I love NBG, when I get invited into a group I would bring some cheap gear and switch out the pieces when the item drops to get it. Then I would switch back, and sell it.

[goshozal]

Always nice to get some perspective from the average TMO player. This guy allowed a monk item to go to a monk 3 years ago. What a stellar guy.

Is this is the part where I link the posts that TMO have made where they are selling all the epic loot MQs that they have denied from the rest of the server since just after the beginning of Kunark?

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/000659149/polls_AnusolCream23g_5318_882142_answer_1_xlarge.j peg

Apply generously to butthurt area.

[Castigate]

Not a fan of NBG outside of guild. I would probably drop group if I was in a PuG that demanded it, and I'll explain from personal experience why.

Back when I was first leveling Castigate I got into an amazingly lucky FM giant fort group. This was back when the GER was still dropping in late 2012. I think that it wasn't supposed to drop anymore at the time but still was? Anyways I was in a group with some guys that I had grouped with a bunch before, we were all noobs with pretty much no gear and had agreed to NBG stuff. Now at that particular camp this was a huge advantage to our monk and warrior, being the only 2 that would need a GER if it dropped; and it did, for both of them. 2 GERs in about 4-6 hours out there, and they went need to our warrior and monk as the rest of the group was all casters. At the time I was fine with this. Sure it would have been nice to get the 7k it was selling for and upgrade literally every slot, but I had grouped with these guys before and we were all bros.

2-3 days later I was in EC and the warrior was selling his GER. A ring he had been given by the group with trust, and a ring that could have been traded in the exact same manner to buy upgrades by anyone else in the group.
Dunno what the monk did with his, and it doesn't really matter. It was a good lesson, and in fact I've always valued that much higher than the 7k item which should have been rolled for.

TLDR: item = plat = item(s), therefore everyone "needs" everything. Don't get too hung up on getting an item from the source, we've been in Kunark so long that anything can pretty easily be converted to anything else of similar value in EC.

[Byrjun]

in the eyes of a noncaster, they see that sexy BC Robe and the possibility of trading it for an equally valuable upgrade. (Note* if they are just rolling on it to sell it and bank plat, then they are selfish little bitches).

Could you explain this logic? Because I don't see any difference in trading a Bonecaster Robe for some Mithril Greaves, and selling it for 3k and putting that plat towards an upgrade like an SCD, Gauntlets of Potence, etc. In both situations you're rolling on an item you can't immediately use to trade/sell for an upgrade to your character... so why is one situation okay but the other makes you a "selfish little bitch?" They're both literally the same thing.

[EQsale]

What i learned from this thread is "Sadre" is a useless enchanter and FYI you pretty much a whining bitch that just runed ur rep on this server and chances of joining a good guild cause of this pointless thread .

PS ive grouped with him b4 also he awful cant mez worth a shit and doesnt charm a pet ><

[Niceboots]

Not a fan of NBG outside of guild. I would probably drop group if I was in a PuG that demanded it, and I'll explain from personal experience why.

Back when I was first leveling Castigate I got into an amazingly lucky FM giant fort group. This was back when the GER was still dropping in late 2012. I think that it wasn't supposed to drop anymore at the time but still was? Anyways I was in a group with some guys that I had grouped with a bunch before, we were all noobs with pretty much no gear and had agreed to NBG stuff. Now at that particular camp this was a huge advantage to our monk and warrior, being the only 2 that would need a GER if it dropped; and it did, for both of them. 2 GERs in about 4-6 hours out there, and they went need to our warrior and monk as the rest of the group was all casters. At the time I was fine with this. Sure it would have been nice to get the 7k it was selling for and upgrade literally every slot, but I had grouped with these guys before and we were all bros.

2-3 days later I was in EC and the warrior was selling his GER. A ring he had been given by the group with trust, and a ring that could have been traded in the exact same manner to buy upgrades by anyone else in the group.
Dunno what the monk did with his, and it doesn't really matter. It was a good lesson, and in fact I've always valued that much higher than the 7k item which should have been rolled for.

TLDR: item = plat = item(s), therefore everyone "needs" everything. Don't get too hung up on getting an item from the source, we've been in Kunark so long that anything can pretty easily be converted to anything else of similar value in EC.

Hah, I was the monk in that group. I still have the ring you gave me. ANNNDDDDDDDD IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII WIIILLLLLLLLLL ALLLLLWWAAAAYYYYYSSS LOOOVVVVEEEE YOUUUUUUUUUUU.

I didn't know the warrior sold his, lame. If we hadn't done nbg I probably would've been annoyed but dealt with it. OP seems pretty upset and probably regrets his post now.

[Fregar]

Anything that can be traded should be /rand IMO for reasons explained above, and as a caster myself I'd never expect a group to NBG a robe.

It can be frustrating, but this is old school EQ: this game IS flawed.

[Lisset]

It can be frustrating, but this is old school EQ: this game IS flawed.

Blasphemy!!

[Teppler]

Hate NBG. No need for it. Items are highly liquid.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Listen the situation sucked, I got very angry because, yes, I assumed nbg especially on a kind of class specific item.

If you think it sucks I gated out, too bad. If I think I am playing with assholes, Im audi.

Some people like playing with me. I'm a relaxed dude. Ifyou want to try to smear my reputation, feel free. My advice? You are kind of painting yourself more than me, because really, I'm pretty cool.

I stand by my statement. It was a clear nbg situation. Hiero cloaks are very different btw, since they are class wide. This was a int caster robe, and not all that great even, and I was sole int caster.

And I had just fought us down to the contested camp, too boot.

My anger was not diva, it was justified.

Not gonna be on in a while. Sour taste

[Mirana]

because really, I'm pretty cool.


The fact that you feel the need to say this pretty much proves otherwise.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

The fact that you feel the need to say this pretty much proves otherwise.

and your reasoning to say this is....?

The fact you make such comically ill-fitting concise posts is evidence you long to be clever.

[hatelore]

The fact that you qq over a 3k item when you are level 55 playing a class that can easely generate as much pp as any p99 pirate would need... Sort of makes you come off as a moran. Jus sayin~

[drktmplr12]

What i learned from this thread is "Sadre" is a useless enchanter and FYI you pretty much a whining bitch that just runed ur rep on this server and chances of joining a good guild cause of this pointless thread .

PS ive grouped with him b4 also he awful cant mez worth a shit and doesnt charm a pet ><

He could always get over it, recant, and apologize for the bitch fit.

but i guess "fuck that shit, im never wrong"

Starting thread I was from the NBG camp. I've changed my mind based on the comments. except for quest items.

[JackFlash]

Finally, a real RNF thread. Would read again.

[drktmplr12]

Listen the situation sucked, I got very angry because, yes, I assumed nbg especially on a kind of class specific item.

That can easily be traded for an equally class specific item.

If you think it sucks I gated out, too bad. If I think I am playing with assholes, Im audi.

I sure think it sucks. Its like a 3 year throwing a tantrum cause he didnt get his way.

Some people like playing with me. I'm a relaxed dude. Ifyou want to try to smear my reputation, feel free. My advice? You are kind of painting yourself more than me, because really, I'm pretty cool.

Nothing relaxed about this behavior. I also think im pretty cool. Also, being cool would have been more like, hey man.. i could really use that, maybe we can work something out? Sounds to me like you didn't even bother to ask and instantly entered tantrum mode.

I stand by my statement. It was a clear nbg situation. Hiero cloaks are very different btw, since they are class wide. This was a int caster robe, and not all that great even, and I was sole int caster.

Put the shoe on the other foot. I PROMISE you would feel differently if torpor or a cloak dropped. You would instantly switch to the "I can trade that for upgrades in EC" mindset real quick.

And I had just fought us down to the contested camp, too boot.

Your healer also help you get there. IDK maybe the tank and dps helped too.. its possible.

My anger was not diva, it was justified.

To you maybe. But your opinion is opposite of 95% of the playerbase. You are surprised that it was straight rolls? Literally you can make like 4 groups TOPS if you logged on everyone 50+ on this server that agrees with your argument here.

Not gonna be on in a while. Sour taste

Guess no one will be going to disco

[Itap]

You could literally sit in EC and cast Clarity for donations and make 3k in a few hours.

[JackFlash]

http://i.imgur.com/tAqezCp.gif

[Dr. Edge]

The responses here remind me of why I quit, thanks for that.
This server is full of the biggest rule whore shit heads of any game. I personally would have honored nbg in this situation, but hey I'm cool like that.

[JackFlash]

Wouldn't it be nice if we could go back to 1999 where nobody lied about NGB......

I have been given multiple items in groups NBG style. Have not had same experience and OP.

[drktmplr12]

The responses here remind me of why I quit, thanks for that.
This server is full of the biggest rule whore shit heads of any game. I personally would have honored nbg in this situation, but hey I'm cool like that.

rule whore shit heads? who is rule whoring? he is operating off of rules he thought were implied, but definitely are not. who would assume need before greed in a zone where 50k+ value items drop off trash?

this all breaks down because it isnt fair to nbg in seb or most other places. its not like warcraft where you run through a dungeon that drops things for everyone. You go to a predefined camp that drops probably 2 items. How does anyone have incentive to go there?

Seb would be filled with only melees and shamans if nbg was the expectation.

[Dr. Edge]

How about go there to have fun, be happy for the dude that just got an upgrade on his robe, karma people, wtf is wrong with you turds?

You loot whores take all the fun out of what was once a fun game.
Adios

[Erati]

what I hate is when people win a 'big ticket item' 5K+ or more and then keep rolling on other big ticket items

im a big fan of "upgrading" your drop if you win a trashy drop but I don't like when people just keep those dice flinging causing some people to literally win nothing even if 6 items drop

[drktmplr12]

How about go there to have fun, be happy for the dude that just got an upgrade on his robe, karma people, wtf is wrong with you turds?

You loot whores take all the fun out of what was once a fun game.
Adios

You're right we are all pieces of shit.

I'm pretty sure most players would have just given him the robe if he had been cool (as he claimed he is) and asked politely. Sure, some might not have.. but tough shit man maybe next time.

Guess what? it goes both ways. Those melees have to roll against casters on near best in slot tradable gear. So no i don't feel bad.

But throwing a bitch fit is a good way to get blackbooked in most players eyes. No one wants to deal with that shit.

I dont usually use this language.. but this guy who came here to call people not agreeing with this behavior pieces of shit? fuck you.

[Mirana]

and your reasoning to say this is....?

The fact you make such comically ill-fitting concise posts is evidence you long to be clever.

I long to call out douchebags that espouse bullshit and think they are entitled to things while declaring how cool they are. "I had just fought us down to the contested camp." Oh really, you did it all by yourself? You are no more important than the tank, healer, or the dps. You aren't special (although it's clear you like to think you are).

Please quit, server is better without you.

[Heebo]

55 anything looking for a bonecaster robe as an upgrade is pathetic, let alone enchanter. Those are for level 1s and naggy alts. Learn to EQ.

[Itap]

55 anything looking for a bonecaster robe as an upgrade is pathetic, let alone enchanter. Those are for level 1s and naggy alts. Learn to EQ.

Unless it's for aesthetic purposes. My Magician still rocks a Elements robe, because he looks fucking pimp in it

[drktmplr12]

http://i.imgur.com/x5zy4mU.png

guess op and his buddy got mad, disbanded, and gated

[Teppler]

How is being against NBG being an a-hole? IMO being for NBG is selfish in the sense that you are saying you deserve an upgrade because of the teams work rather than everyone deserving an equal shot at one. Like I said earlier, items on this server are highly liquid. It will only take you a few hrs at most to sell what ever item and buy an equally valuable upgrade.

[Splorf22]

How about go there to have fun, be happy for the dude that just got an upgrade on his robe, karma people, wtf is wrong with you turds?

You loot whores take all the fun out of what was once a fun game.
Adios

in general, it seems to me that the guy demanding that the group should give him a pixel is more greedy then the guy suggesting the group share it (probabilistically).

[Raavak]

Bitching up and gating out over a 3k robe was pretty lame bro.Why leave? I'm pretty sure it wasn't the last robe to ever drop.

[Funkutron5000]

Because he is the real loot whore.

Reminds me of this:


John Stalvern waited. The lights above him blinked and sparked out of the air. There were demons in the base. He didn’t see them, but had expected them now for years. His warnings to Cernel Joson were not listenend to and now it was too late. Far too late for now, anyway.
John was a space marine for fourteen years. When he was young he watched the spaceships and he said to dad “I want to be on the ships daddy.”
Dad said “No! You will BE KILL BY DEMONS”
There was a time when he believed him. Then as he got oldered he stopped. But now in the space station base of the UAC he knew there were demons.
“This is Joson” the radio crackered. “You must fight the demons!”
So John gotted his palsma rifle and blew up the wall.
“HE GOING TO KILL US” said the demons
“I will shoot at him” said the cyberdemon and he fired the rocket missiles. John plasmaed at him and tried to blew him up. But then the ceiling fell and they were trapped and not able to kill.
“No! I must kill the demons” he shouted
The radio said “No, John. You are the demons”
And then John was a zombie.

[drktmplr12]

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[Daldolma]

nbg in pugs dumbest thing i've ever heard

would have let you have fbr anyway because i don't disgrace my inventory with pleb loot

[derpcake]

55 necro looking for disco group.

pst, cloth robe guys. Don't mind the epic.

NBG rocks.

[Swish]

nbg in pugs dumbest thing i've ever heard



Funny, because 18-24 months ago NBG was quite popular...

[Raavak]

I recall going to CoM right after Kunark opened and a monk NBG a Trance Stick. Then an hour or two later see him selling same Trance Stick in EC. Seemed there was much more NBG on Live and it was also abused a lot too. While I'm all for helping out someone in need, and don't even roll on crap I don't want to bother to sell, greed rolling all droppables doesn't bother me one bit.

[Raavak]

Oh, weightless bags. Monks used to always get the weightless bags from dragons on Live, and some of the fuckers would just go sell them, then ask for another one when it dropped.

[Shaakglith12194]

Listen the situation sucked, I got very angry because, yes, I assumed nbg especially on a kind of class specific item.

You assumed. You never thought to ask.

If you think it sucks I gated out, too bad. If I think I am playing with assholes, Im audi.

I don't think it sucks that you gated out, I think it was childish. Btw, you stole a sebilite scale mantle from the person that won the roll when you gated out in your tantrum. You lost the roll on that item and left with it anyways, so you're not just childish, you're a thief.

Some people like playing with me. I'm a relaxed dude. Ifyou want to try to smear my reputation, feel free. My advice? You are kind of painting yourself more than me, because really, I'm pretty cool.

I think you've done a pretty good job of smearing yourself. You're cool? The other people in this thread seem to think otherwise.

I stand by my statement. It was a clear nbg situation. Hiero cloaks are very different btw, since they are class wide. This was a int caster robe, and not all that great even, and I was sole int caster.

A NBG situation is one where the group has agreed to that loot system. I need every plat I can get for items, so do I get every single drop that happens? No, shit gets shared.


And I had just fought us down to the contested camp, too boot.

The group left the camp, fought back to the entrance, and grabbed you. You fought down with us.

My anger was not diva, it was justified.

You're a little bit famous now. I saw half the zone mocking you and your post in seb late last night.

Not gonna be on in a while. Sour taste

Good, you're a thief and a crybaby.

[Lune]

NBG is for guildies and friends. It's retarded to expect strangers to help you camp stuff, especially when, as was stated above, items have value and are highly liquid.

[ralph v2.0]

only read first page. i have a FBC robe rotting on my alt you can have.

[baalzy]

only read first page. i have a FBC robe rotting on my alt you can have.

can i have it instead ? :P won't sell it. Promise.

[Bill Tetley]

gonna nbg rbg when you're a cast? I think not. nbg does not exist on this server. deal with it.

[Erati]

gonna nbg rbg when you're a cast? I think not. nbg does not exist on this server. deal with it.

actually minus Brell's Girdle or BCG the Rune Branded Girdle is one of the best belts for any type caster ( wis or int)

its combination of + mana and + hps is unmatched to most other belts

[Nirgon]

Better idea to discuss loot rules than think people can read your mind

[ravenshade32]

I hear what you are saying OP but this proves something I have been thinking for a while now. Most of this server did not play back in the original days 99-02ish as much as they try to make you believe they did :-). Real old school players usually the older more mature crowd would have never let this happen, we always did NBG....always.

[Erati]

I hear what you are saying OP but this proves something I have been thinking for a while now. Most of this server did not play back in the original days 99-02ish as much as they try to make you believe they did :-). Real old school players usually the older more mature crowd would have never let this happen, we always did NBG....always.

the real old school players remember playing when /random'ing wasn't even in the game ( in terms of having people other than your own client see the number you rolled)

Alpha loot and NBG was the only way bc you couldn't roll like you can now

[Pico]

i miss the more innocent times, times where lasting social bonds were made between elfs and half elfs alike. loot was plentiful but yet it was shared as according to the loot referundum of 43CE by sir drebus drebos drebis sunshear of kelethin

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

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[chief]

nbg is gm enforced on this server, always has been. Petition the group

[loramin]

I hear what you are saying OP but this proves something I have been thinking for a while now. Most of this server did not play back in the original days 99-02ish as much as they try to make you believe they did :-). Real old school players usually the older more mature crowd would have never let this happen, we always did NBG....always.

People also made gnome warriors with starting points in Intelligence back then. When everyone was learning how the game worked, they did a lot of things that we wouldn't do today.

In the decade-plus since though we've learned a lot, like the fact that there's only one fair loot system for PUGs. As a result, most of us act differently from how we did back in '99.

[Mirana]

nbg is gm enforced on this server, always has been. Petition the group

Not sure if this is a joke or just a misinformed post. Definitely not true.

[Brad_mo123]

I've been haunting sebilis for around a month or so now. lvl 55. Not too over the top, not calling attention to myself, the George Costanza of enchanters.

Went down to disco tonight and we had a good fight down. Some drama even. But then, Gruplinort spawned and we killed him, despite threats from another group he would be stolen.

So what to do with the Bonecaster's Robe?

Apparently, we random. Even though my current robe is an Advisor's Robe. And I am the only int caster in the group.

Well,you know what? Fuck you.

I won't list your names unless you want me to. But fuck you.

This is my main. I play one character. It was potential ec plat to you. It was my upgrade.

Oh! I'm whining!

No. I'm not whining. I especially call out the douche emzee or some rogue ffrom TMO, who dared to call me "bro" and say "we usually just random items in seb bro."

Fuck you.

And if you think I am angry, you are misreading my message. I seriously mean to everyone in my group tonight. Fuck you. That was wrong and you know it. We would not have taken that camp if I wasn't there.

sadre

Loot rules should always be established before attempting and camp and generally with expensive items, everyone rolls but leaving too quickly after you win roll is unaccepted. Most guild groups though will go nbg, if your guild doesn't, maybe you should think about why you are even in the guild if they don't act as a guild... just sayin.

[chu]

oh we in rnf now?

L2RAND NUB

[drktmplr12]

Btw, you stole a sebilite scale mantle from the person that won the roll when you gated out in your tantrum. You lost the roll on that item and left with it anyways, so you're not just childish, you're a thief.

The plot thickens

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[Tuljin]

if you wanna get technical, OP lost the roll and shouldn't have gotten the item

personally, a 3k item that everyone and their pokemon-playing little brother has isn't really worth an inv slot

ill give up an upgrade to someone in a PUG on a cheap item because a. i'm not an asshole and b. i don't want someone to get bent and make an RnF post about me that ends up being 12 pages long lol

apparently TMO rule lawyering has now been moved from raid mobs to seb xp group nameds rofl

[applesauce25r624]

this blew up in OP's face at about the same level as Orotiagito's thread x_x

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

this blew up in OP's face at about the same level as Orotiagito's thread x_x

You know, I have learned this. A drama queen is someone who always needs drama to reflect well on them, where drama = someone else is the loser, and the reason for the drama.

I think I admitted pretty clearly I lost my temper and was pissed. I could have handled it better. By the way, I also could have offered a few nice items I have in my inventory in trade for the robe.

It was just the principle that caught me off guard. As I have said, I thought clear nbg was the operative rule. Some have said, if it were a diff item, I would change my tune. Not true, and that much I can guarantee you. I tend to think of drops relative to, who can most use it. In other words, the exact meaning of NBG.

I am very happy to be known as a player who thinks nbg should be the norm, by the way. The rest of you pros can go with greed before need. Feel free.

But I got angry. I was surprised nbg was being disregarded, even as I posted in group chat what my current gear was and how psyched I was at drop.

I don't know. I'm disappointed. I have never played as a selfish player. This thread is kinda misrepresenting me, especially as to "stealing" a seb scale item. I am fairly sure, I got angry and left and forgot I still had that item. Which is a trash item, no?

This is just sort of sad. I'm a decent player. I'm not greedy. But because I got angry at what is an explicitly greedy policy -- gbn -- I am being trashed as greedy.

I was talking last night to some old friends from FoH, who asked me if I wanted to get a key for some alphas of eqnext. Maybe I will. But it sucks, cuz I would rather play classic.

But some of you peo9ple are really twisted.

All I wanted was a robe upgrade. Damn.

[hatelore]

You know, I have learned this. A drama queen is someone who always needs drama to reflect well on them, where drama = someone else is the loser, and the reason for the drama.

I think I admitted pretty clearly I lost my temper and was pissed. I could have handled it better. By the way, I also could have offered a few nice items I have in my inventory in trade for the robe.

It was just the principle that caught me off guard. As I have said, I thought clear nbg was the operative rule. Some have said, if it were a diff item, I would change my tune. Not true, and that much I can guarantee you. I tend to think of drops relative to, who can most use it. In other words, the exact meaning of NBG.

I am very happy to be known as a player who thinks nbg should be the norm, by the way. The rest of you pros can go with greed before need. Feel free.

But I got angry. I was surprised nbg was being disregarded, even as I posted in group chat what my current gear was and how psyched I was at drop.

I don't know. I'm disappointed. I have never played as a selfish player. This thread is kinda misrepresenting me, especially as to "stealing" a seb scale item. I am fairly sure, I got angry and left and forgot I still had that item. Which is a trash item, no?

This is just sort of sad. I'm a decent player. I'm not greedy. But because I got angry at what is an explicitly greedy policy -- gbn -- I am being trashed as greedy.

I was talking last night to some old friends from FoH, who asked me if I wanted to get a key for some alphas of eqnext. Maybe I will. But it sucks, cuz I would rather play classic.

But some of you peo9ple are really twisted.

All I wanted was a robe upgrade. Damn.

Pro tip: While in RNF imagine yourself in a Mad Max movie. Trying to explain yourself here is just retarded. You better ready your weapon, pussy.

[hatelore]

Oh yeah and....







Tldr

[Mac Dretti]

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Eggselent

[Tenlaar]

Some have said, if it were a diff item, I would change my tune. Not true, and that much I can guarantee you. I tend to think of drops relative to, who can most use it. In other words, the exact meaning of NBG.

The problem is with you thinking that you are the only one who would benefit from the item. My main character and the only one I play, my bard, still has a few basically empty (and one actually empty) slots.

Yes, the robe is an upgrade for you. Yes, you can equip the robe immediately. And yes, my bard would sell the robe in EC and use the plat for upgrades he can use. The end result is the same - that item helps my bard with an upgrade just as it helps your enchanter with an upgrade. Your stance is that because you can equip the item you are the only one for whom it is helpful and that is simply not true.

As many others have said, guild/friend groups are great for doing NBG. A group of random strangers is 99% chance going to be a greed group and I honestly have no idea how you could have leveled that high without knowing that.

[Barkingturtle]

A group of random strangers is 99% chance going to be a greed group and I honestly have no idea how you could have leveled that high without knowing that.

I think it's pretty obvious the OP purchased his character pre-leveled using real money. He's basically everything that's wrong with this server and humanity in general. He's literally worse than cancer on a puppy.

[drktmplr12]

He's literally worse than cancer on a puppy.

lol

[whitebandit]

http://img.pandawhale.com/post-30364-you-are-so-dumb-you-are-really-uA6z.gif

In all honesty, im a NBG guy... <that shit is classic.

Greed is law on Project1999

[hatelore]

I think it's pretty obvious the OP purchased his character pre-leveled using real money. He's basically everything that's wrong with this server and humanity in general. He's literally worse than cancer on a puppy.

I think this guy right here just nailed it.

[Lojik]

I think it's pretty obvious the OP purchased his character pre-leveled using real money. He's basically everything that's wrong with this server and humanity in general. He's literally worse than cancer on a puppy.

Chanter named Sadre and user account too, pretty sure he leveled up at a pretty leisurely pace. TBH reading his past posts, he was probably just on a bad trip.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

The problem is with you thinking that you are the only one who would benefit from the item. My main character and the only one I play, my bard, still has a few basically empty (and one actually empty) slots.

Yes, the robe is an upgrade for you. Yes, you can equip the robe immediately. And yes, my bard would sell the robe in EC and use the plat for upgrades he can use. The end result is the same - that item helps my bard with an upgrade just as it helps your enchanter with an upgrade. Your stance is that because you can equip the item you are the only one for whom it is helpful and that is simply not true.

As many others have said, guild/friend groups are great for doing NBG. A group of random strangers is 99% chance going to be a greed group and I honestly have no idea how you could have leveled that high without knowing that.

Alright tenlaar. I see the point now. I assumed something that, on this server, just does not float. People are running toons in higher level zones to get resources for other characters, and there is nothing wrong with that per se. I *would* still argue that is kind of not classic, but p99 is not classic. It is a classic simulator.

I should have approached the situation not slipping into my old mindset. Which is strict nbg unless the item is useful for so many classes the notion becomes silly. I do still think that nbg is best, though.

So, I should have offered to trade some items I already had on me for the robe. I think I have a couple items on me currently worth 3-5k all total.

But I will repeat myself, I just got taken aback nbg was not the norm. NBG is a good rule of thumb. I assumed it held in PUG's.

[runlvlzero]

/random was in way before kunark, so stop being elitists ur peeps are dumb as hell.

If someones at a camp deep in seb and waited 8 hrs and fought thru 20 lines to get there, they deserve a chance at some pixels

you can buy anything with plat anyways

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

You know what you can't buy runlvlzero?

Another human being actually loving you.

Just saying.

[runlvlzero]

You know what you can't buy runlvlzero?

Another human being actually loving you.

Just saying.

Awwww lol.

I'm way beyond caring about human beings at this rate Sadre. LOLZ

[Tenlaar]

Awwww lol.

I'm way beyond caring about human beings at this rate Sadre. LOLZ

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[runlvlzero]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lx2axviQYc1qhwzqfo1_500.png

awwww yisss, u can get some pretty kewl art done for commish for those things..... want futa ones? sure, dreanei sure! whatever you can imagine

[Barkingturtle]

Man. How desperate would a pillow have to be to fuck runlvlzero? Honestly, I don't think they make pillows with such low self-esteem.

[runlvlzero]

Man. How desperate would a pillow have to be to fuck runlvlzero? Honestly, I don't think they make pillows with such low self-esteem.

Tell that to the giant stuffed dolphin I use to spoon as a kid.

[Barkingturtle]

http://i.imgur.com/vpIZyin.gif

[runlvlzero]

There is no shocking u I guess. Had that link on your favorites ready to go? That was pretty quick lol.

[Barkingturtle]

You're just predictable.

[runlvlzero]

You're just predictable.

Ain't got no reply for that... you win!

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

wait one goddam second. I thought this was a thread about me, not about how low down the molecular food chain one has to progress before one reaches the point at which a poster acquires a necessary binding structure.

I will sign up for a lot, but what I won't sign up for, is chemistry.

[Awwalike]

u say ur not mad but u say F U 7 timez

[Chrimes]

NBG is for noobies. Everyone wants that phatty PP to get ahead. Logged in to crypt other day and heard someone say "So if JBB or Torpor drop, the shammy gets it cuz its a clear upgrade - right?" Group cut of his nutsack and laughed him out of town - as they should of done.

I would love to join one of your NBG grps tho bro - Ill just take off my gear first <3 Just dont ask me why I have to corpse something before you give me my lewtz.

[CharlesBarkley]

OP upon not getting that sweet fucking loot and gating out

http://i.imgur.com/1m1HEIW.jpg

[Tuljin]

^^^^ lol

FWIW I've been in lots of PUGs where everyone agreed to give someone an upgrade item, just depends on who you're with.

This whole idea of people in the stupid ass crypt camp joking about JBB/torpor being an upgrade they should get it vs. something pretty cheap like froglok robe or some loam drops that ends up going to a douche rogue its definitely EQ robot asperger's syndrome mentality at its finest, I'm pretty sure nobody thinks they are entitled to a 50k+ item vs something 3k tops.

When a sperglord is introduced with the possibility that maybe, maaaaybe there is an exception or bend to the "rules" when we're talking about a 3k or less item on an expansion that we've been stuck on for 3 years - -

DOES----NOT-----COMPUTE

[Daldolma]

^^^^ lol

FWIW I've been in lots of PUGs where everyone agreed to give someone an upgrade item, just depends on who you're with.

This whole idea of people in the stupid ass crypt camp joking about JBB/torpor being an upgrade they should get it vs. something pretty cheap like froglok robe or some loam drops that ends up going to a douche rogue its definitely EQ robot asperger's syndrome mentality at its finest, I'm pretty sure nobody thinks they are entitled to a 50k+ item vs something 3k tops.

When a sperglord is introduced with the possibility that maybe, maaaaybe there is an exception or bend to the "rules" when we're talking about a 3k or less item on an expansion that we've been stuck on for 3 years - -

DOES----NOT-----COMPUTE

wat

[Shaakglith12194]

^^^^ lol

FWIW I've been in lots of PUGs where everyone agreed to give someone an upgrade item, just depends on who you're with.

This whole idea of people in the stupid ass crypt camp joking about JBB/torpor being an upgrade they should get it vs. something pretty cheap like froglok robe or some loam drops that ends up going to a douche rogue its definitely EQ robot asperger's syndrome mentality at its finest, I'm pretty sure nobody thinks they are entitled to a 50k+ item vs something 3k tops.

When a sperglord is introduced with the possibility that maybe, maaaaybe there is an exception or bend to the "rules" when we're talking about a 3k or less item on an expansion that we've been stuck on for 3 years - -

DOES----NOT-----COMPUTE

The whole thing is, the group hadn't agreed to NBG. If I had won the roll (Sadre rolled before he asked for it, btw) and he had asked ME for it, I probably would have given it to him (as would have probably one or two other group members). Hell, if he had asked before we rolled, someone probably would have said, "I don't need, you can have if it's an upgrade" which usually cascades through the group until there are no objections to the needing player getting it and people feel obligated to not be the guy who wanted to /ran and sell a clear upgrade item. However, Sadre did not do that, did not win the roll, and the guy who DID win the roll was not under any obligation to give it to him, whatsoever. That guy has a right to the loot awarded to him under the group's predetermined loot rules if he so chooses.

I've been in NBG situations where groups have let me loot items that were upgrades, and I've also been in NBG situations where a 50k item was obtained by someone who needed it rather than the group rolling for it. Could I have used 50k? Fuck yes. Do I regret not having a 1 in 6 chance to have 50k? Not at all. You know what the difference is? The group stated we were doing NBG when we started and we were all cool with that. I got experience and had a good time.

Ask loot rules first, don't have a temper tantrum when you fail to get your way, don't steal from a group member after you lose the roll, and don't make a forum post showing the world what a spoiled brat you are. Btw, I have the group member's name who won the roll on the item you stole, Sadre. You can PM me and I'll tell you who it is if you feel like making amends for stealing. Hell, if you can't afford a 3k robe at level 55, that monk might even tell you to keep it since you need money so badly.

[Bazia]

Those arguing in favor of NBG are retarded, way too many times people have been seen selling items they got because of NBG then going back to the same dungeons collecting them again because they convinced their group of NBG.

Everyone can profit from platinum and buy upgrades for themselves. The reason no one NBG's unless they are really nice is because it just flat doesn't make sense to.

[Emsee]

When a sperglord is introduced with the possibility that maybe, maaaaybe there is an exception or bend to the "rules" when we're talking about a 3k or less item on an expansion that we've been stuck on for 3 years - -

DOES----NOT-----COMPUTE



The rogue D I D N O T W I N T H E R O B E, ffs l2r.

[Hastley]

Need before greed is ironically enough given it's name, the most greedy policy there is

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

this thread has taught me something. nbg is stupid, because everyone assumes everyone else is out to rip them off.

Nice bunch of players. Still very glad I gated out. I don't like people like that. And say what you want to about me. I don't deal with people who have that kind of attitude. It's toxic, imho. Or at least it is toxic to me, it bums me out.

But maybe you guys like it. Bon voyage then, by all means!

But this is not how the game always was, nor is it how it has to be. It is the consensus of some very cynical people, in my view.

Enjoy, Heathers.