PL'ers Etiquette

[vendeth]

I was in unrest last night (zone was pretty full) with a full group in the MR camp and this monk was PLing one of his friends. The monk had no respect for anyone's camp and was pulling mobs mostly where ever he could.

There were a couple of occasions where he would pull his mobs through my camp (MR) and my AoE song would pull aggro from them (he caused 3 group wipes total for the night yet took no responsibility for them) and other occasion he claimed to have reported me for KSing one of mobs. I think he failed to realize he had 2 of his guildmates in my group too and they were pretty embarrassed by his behavior.

I am just curious to know if there are any proper etiquette to people PLing? I feel like this guys obnoxious behavior (and anyone else like him) makes playing P99 a little less desirable.

/endrant

[Buriedpast]

Train the PL'ee.

[Calibix]

I'd say this is not rare, but an uncommon thing. Most people doing PL's have etiquette so tend to be PL'n in out of the way places, not highly camped group XP spots. But I've been in similar situations and it is annoying.

[Tasslehofp99]

Name and Shame.

When I DO powerlevel, its usually during off-peak hours like 4-8 AM EST. Most low level zones are absolutely empty at these hours, and the few players there usually benefit from my presence via buffs/damageshield/free PL.

There have been occasions where I was in a zone that was pretty crowded and been attempting to powerlevel, usually though in these cases I will just leave and find a new place to go. I've done a fair amount of powerleveling and I think I've only had a conflict once with players in the zone. Its not that hard to not be a prick, atleast for most people.


NAME AND SHAME

[tankh]

tag mobs they have agro on but have not damaged, you can pull singles that way :)

BUT you need to name and shame or kind of pointless moaning about it

[Aaron]

Name?

[Raelador]

NAME AND SHAME! NAME AND SHAME!

[Solb]

We had a group in Oasis. A monk (Duckwalk) was PLing a bard (Abard). The monk ran up and down the entire beach pulling anything and everything. Eventually, our group fought over mobs with the monk. The monk began killing mobs pulled to our group, because some members had tagged some of the mobs the monk had pulled and FD'd for the bard to PL off of.

A guide arrived, and talked to the group leader, and then decided that because the monk and bard were "players too just like all the others in zone", and claimed that they were there first, they could continue the PLing. The guide then forced everyone else away from P1 the most populated area for mobs, and had our group move to P2 which is less populated.

The monk then continued to run up the beach in front of us, and pulled mobs from P2. The guide told us to "back off, while she handled the situation", and the monk continued his PLing for about 30 more minutes before he and the bard left.

Point is, selfish players are backed by the guides, don't waste your time reporting the PLing because obviously it's not considered disruptive, and is accepted behavior to PL in populated areas. The guide we dealt with was named "Eunomia", since people asked I will add that.

[tankh]

name the guide :) if you gonna moan back it up with name :)

really do not see the point in these posts, have the balls to call people out or dont post imho

[Daldaen]

When I PL I do a few things.

A. I try to only PL in a few zones. Kedge, Unrest (basement/top floors), Befallen (bottom floor). Unrest is generally the only one camped. Occasionally I will show up in another zone or two to get a friend a quick level or two though.
B. When I am in Unrest I *ALWAYS* do a CC to check if those floors are camped. Generally the MR/Yard are camped. If both the higher level camps (top floors/basement) are camped I will just PL another time. If one is camped I will generally move to the other and ask the person/group camping one area if they are avoiding any rooms (IE Fireplace will often avoid hand room or bar room or knight room cause of pulling issues), in which case I will ask if I can have those mobs and to let me know if their group is feeling more bold and wants them back again.
C. I ALWAYS pull with snare. This way it is almost impossible to pull aggro off my mobs.

But mostly if the camps I like are taken I just won't PL until they are open. Other places just aren't worth my time or headache to PL in.

[Estu]

When I PL I do a few things.

A. I try to only PL in a few zones. Kedge, Unrest (basement/top floors), Befallen (bottom floor). Unrest is generally the only one camped. Occasionally I will show up in another zone or two to get a friend a quick level or two though.
B. When I am in Unrest I *ALWAYS* do a CC to check if those floors are camped. Generally the MR/Yard are camped. If both the higher level camps (top floors/basement) are camped I will just PL another time. If one is camped I will generally move to the other and ask the person/group camping one area if they are avoiding any rooms (IE Fireplace will often avoid hand room or bar room or knight room cause of pulling issues), in which case I will ask if I can have those mobs and to let me know if their group is feeling more bold and wants them back again.
C. I ALWAYS pull with snare. This way it is almost impossible to pull aggro off my mobs.

But mostly if the camps I like are taken I just won't PL until they are open. Other places just aren't worth my time or headache to PL in.

I don't have a great amount of experience PLing but I did PL someone in upper guk instead of unrest (since unrest is more popular) and it went pretty smoothly. Sure, you have to deal with mobs fleeing, but you're a druid and you have snare.

[Solb]

I listed names of the players, and have no problem naming the guide either... It was Eunomia who supported the PLing of Abard and Duckwalk.

[Daldaen]

Mobs which are vastly lower than my druid, run at healths above 20%, meaning those don't completely stop.

Which can be annoying (and can train a group if I am not catching them with a root)

Also rooting mobs means that previously when I required the PLee to do just 1 point of damage each, he now needs to do 11 points of damage each (to beat my 10DMG root). Not a big deal for melee, but sometimes casters that can take awhile. Especially since I will PL off red-cons most of the time, so spells are resisted 100% of the time for those casters.

A lot of people don't grasp root 'aggro' mechanics either. The rooted mob will attack the closest in proximity player, regardless of aggro. Which can often get the PLee whacked unnecessarily, making we waste unnecessary mana healing or regenning them (WRU Velious Regen BPs). I will always run and sit underneath the mobs face so I am closest but I swear every single time I root a mob right after I finish casting it always hits the PLee the first round.

Just becomes another hazard that I don't want to deal with. Does it work, sure! Do I want to have to watch the PLee and add up 11DMG per mob and then root each mob (since again at high levels a train of 10 mobs, all 10 will flee instead of 9 staying and dying until there is a lone survivor who would then run).

[Frogie305]

NAME AND SHAME! NAME AND SHAME!

[tankh]

I listed names of the players, and have no problem naming the guide either... It was Eunomia who supported the PLing of Abard and Duckwalk.

thanks for the info Solb x

[Imslap]

I power level all the time, but I never ever go to Unrest anymore. Powerleveling in Unrest is guaranteed to get you reported. Just go to Upper Guk, its wayyyy less crowded and the experience modifier in the zone is huge.

[Hinshi Budou]

All too often I have seen and experienced GM's\guides making poor decisions regarding catering to PL'rs and griefers and KS'rs... makes me a sad panda.

Sorry to knock the GM/guide staff in any way cause they are awesome most of the time, but it is what it is.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

I take people to befallen bottom floor and upper guk. Awesome zems.

[reborn649]

For guides and GM's, plvling is always touchy it seems. If PL'ers aren't taking your specific camp or peeling off of your pulls, there isn't much to be done. Honestly guides/GM's shouldn't have to intervene though. If people can't have enough respect for other people in the zone, then they deserve to be blacklisted and called out. On the same token though, players shouldn't just jump to conclusions about a pl'er in their zone. I have zoned into unrest on my 60 bard just to see if its open to do some plvling and people immediately jumped the gun and said not to steal their camps, not to train, etc... For the people who aren't d-bags and jump the gun, I will normally pull the zone and just stand at fountains and shout "Free XP" then go find somewhere else to plvl. I would say most people who plvl have respect for other players from what I have seen. Obviously you're going to have the few people who don't care at all, but if that's the case simply declare your camp and if they pull from it, /petition. GM's/Guides can do something about camp stealing from my experience in seeing/doing plvls. If you just petition them for pulling basement in unrest when its uncamped and your at the fireplace pulling, don't bother. I know that sounds ridiculous, but it has happened a couple times to myself and people i know in various zones. People see pl'ers and immediately think their up to no good. Declare your camp, if crap goes south and your mobs start disappearing, get some higher power intervention.

EDIT: I rarely go to unrest to plvl, but I have experienced these types of situations in other zones along with my rare visit to unrest.

[Brut]

PLing in popular low end group zones should warrant immediate char deletion + permaban + neutering just imo.

[Daldaen]

PLing in popular low end group zones should warrant immediate char deletion + permaban + neutering just imo.

Haters gonna hate I guess :/.

I just PLed 1-10 in Befallen when no one was there. Went to Unrest, did a CC, no one responded. Cleared out some of basement and top floor, a group shows up of low-mid 20s and asks if they can have FP, I said yes, and left 5-10 minutes later.

Fail to understand the issue if you aren't a retarded/dick PLer.

[vendeth]

Haters gonna hate I guess :/.

I just PLed 1-10 in Befallen when no one was there. Went to Unrest, did a CC, no one responded. Cleared out some of basement and top floor, a group shows up of low-mid 20s and asks if they can have FP, I said yes, and left 5-10 minutes later.

Fail to understand the issue if you aren't a retarded/dick PLer.

That was my group. Thank you for that.

[Pan]

Imo, if you're affecting legit exp groups, go somewhere else to PL. Period.

[sox7d]

In these cases just KS the PLee. I feel like the devs wouldn't give a shit.

[teija]

We had a group in Oasis. A monk (Duckwalk) was PLing a bard (Abard). The monk ran up and down the entire beach pulling anything and everything. Eventually, our group fought over mobs with the monk. The monk began killing mobs pulled to our group, because some members had tagged some of the mobs the monk had pulled and FD'd for the bard to PL off of.

A guide arrived, and talked to the group leader, and then decided that because the monk and bard were "players too just like all the others in zone", and claimed that they were there first, they could continue the PLing. The guide then forced everyone else away from P1 the most populated area for mobs, and had our group move to P2 which is less populated.

The monk then continued to run up the beach in front of us, and pulled mobs from P2. The guide told us to "back off, while she handled the situation", and the monk continued his PLing for about 30 more minutes before he and the bard left.

Point is, selfish players are backed by the guides, don't waste your time reporting the PLing because obviously it's not considered disruptive, and is accepted behavior to PL in populated areas. The guide we dealt with was named "Eunomia", since people asked I will add that.

Bold sentence here is why you and your group were in the wrong. Even tho he FD the mobs im sure the bard either was already on the agro table or was quickly after. KSing is bad Mkay.

[Phantasm]

it is just in my opinion that perhaps you should travel outside of the cookie cutter xp groups and try somewhere new if the problem persists, there are tons of spots to try out in EQ!
while I agree having a pl in the same zone can be annoying there are ways to avoid it, i.e, moving to a new zone
also, just for curiosity, did you ever send a tell to the monk asking him to politely ease away from your camp?

[planarity]

it is just in my opinion that perhaps you should travel outside of the cookie cutter xp groups and try somewhere new if the problem persists, there are tons of spots to try out in EQ!
while I agree having a pl in the same zone can be annoying there are ways to avoid it, i.e, moving to a new zone
also, just for curiosity, did you ever send a tell to the monk asking him to politely ease away from your camp?

You greatly underestimate the overhead in putting a low-lvl pickup group together and getting everyone in the same place and on the same page. By the time you move from unrest to runnyeye or whatever your tank has to leave and you're sol, etc.

Brut hit the nail on the head.

[webrunner5]

In these cases just KS the PLee. I feel like the devs wouldn't give a shit.

What he said. :D

[uygi]

I've been to Kurn's Tower several times, usually to farm up a few bone chips but once was to PBAE PL a wizard. I don't pull the mobs others are clearing pulling, I pull all the other shit. If they're camping something, the mobs that they've killed will respawn exactly as fast as they killed them and won't end up in my pulls. Still, there are always people whining endlessly. I try to show up when things are least busy, but if I'm PLing there is precious little time in a week or even month that my girlfriend is available to play at the same time that I am; there are 720 hours in a month, if I'm going to spend 2-3 of them PLing my girlfriend I'm going to do it on my schedule, not yours. Sorry. FWIW I usually do anything I can to help the lowbies, including announcing/derailing trains, buffing as I can and PLing them while I wait on my mobs to repop.

[Duckwalk]

Priceless.

Monk (Duckwalk) powerlvling real life friend Bard ( Abard) for several hours in Oasis on Deepwater Crocs without any issue from other players killing in the same area. Later a group shows up, attempts to steal the camp, start KSing multiple mobs despite several requests to move further down the beach and not KS, then reports monk and bard for "powerlvling".

After the GM involvement the other group was moved down the beach and told not to KS. We were asked to stop pulling from near them to "avoid future drama".

Two Sides to a story but clearly that monk bard combo are the greedy, depraved, assholes as was implied in the early post.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

I've been to Kurn's Tower several times, usually to farm up a few bone chips but once was to PBAE PL a wizard. I don't pull the mobs others are clearing pulling, I pull all the other shit. If they're camping something, the mobs that they've killed will respawn exactly as fast as they killed them and won't end up in my pulls. Still, there are always people whining endlessly. I try to show up when things are least busy, but if I'm PLing there is precious little time in a week or even month that my girlfriend is available to play at the same time that I am; there are 720 hours in a month, if I'm going to spend 2-3 of them PLing my girlfriend I'm going to do it on my schedule, not yours. Sorry. FWIW I usually do anything I can to help the lowbies, including announcing/derailing trains, buffing as I can and PLing them while I wait on my mobs to repop.

Myu lying about his girlfriend again :P

But seriously, Sol A is about the best PL zone from 10 to 35. Shit is tough to beat. And it's always empty minus maybe a gimblox camper.

[Daldaen]

Mobs run stupidly fast in Sol A. Shit blows. Mobs shouldn't run if there are multiples present but instead you get 5 runners at the same time and can't root them all.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Mobs run stupidly fast in Sol A. Shit blows. Mobs shouldn't run if there are multiples present but instead you get 5 runners at the same time and can't root them all.

I use PE, so...yeah. Depends on your method I guess. I always have to root regardless of where I powerlevel at. Everything being sowed in the goblin section can be frustrating.

[NextGenesis88]

If you don't petition this type of behavior, what will it take?

[oddibemcd]

Any other druids remember the good ol days of PLing in Lower Guk?

Could go bedroom to ass/sup, throw on thorns and a fungi (or VP robe if you were truly balling) and just let those undead beat themselves to death?

[Buriedpast]

I use PE, so...yeah. Depends on your method I guess. I always have to root regardless of where I powerlevel at. Everything being sowed in the goblin section can be frustrating.

+1

I pull on cleric 3-6 gnomes, PE each and sit for DS. PL'ee just hits each once.

Its retardedly fast xp with a manastone and donals.

[Daldaen]

+1

I pull on cleric 3-6 gnomes, PE each and sit for DS. PL'ee just hits each once.

Its retardedly fast xp with a manastone and donals.

1 million plat of gear makes PLing provide fast exp!!!

You don't say...

[HeallunRumblebelly]

+1

I pull on cleric 3-6 gnomes, PE each and sit for DS. PL'ee just hits each once.

Its retardedly fast xp with a manastone and donals.

sol a, mistmoore, lguk all work really well. Sol A is just always incredibly empty.

[webrunner5]

Sol A is just always incredibly empty.

For a good reason. :p

[HeallunRumblebelly]

They just don't understand what it is to be ballin, motec :|