New PVP Server

[LittleSorcerer7]

So I've never been one for the red server, but if they were to release a completely brand new PVP server where the guards attacked people fighting near them like the guards are supposed to, How many people would actually restart on there? I'm pretty 100% that I would have a good time with that.

[Daldaen]

PvP servers should never be considered ever. They were a terrible idea for a game balanced around PvE where PvP was an afterthought.

Making another Blue server would see 10x the traffic as another red server. Its a friday evening and red doesn't even have 100 toons logged on...

[LittleSorcerer7]

I agree, but personally i had a ton of fun on the red. That was until you'd be AFK in town next to a guard and then someone would come kill you and take your plat when the guards are supposed to rape people that are fighting in town.

[mitic]

guards are perfectly workin

[LittleSorcerer7]

guards are perfectly workin

That's really good to hear, they weren't when the server started which made people leave in droves =(

[Daldaen]

I agree, but personally i had a ton of fun on the red. That was until you'd be AFK in town next to a guard and then someone would come kill you and take your plat when the guards are supposed to rape people that are fighting in town.

You and 5 other people had a ton of fun.

It is clear from both Red99 and Zek on Live, PvP servers blow for EQ. They don't get the attention necessary to make the game balanced, and due to this they suck cause the core game isn't meant to be played in a PvP environment.

Wasting resources on another Red server would be stupid when the first one failed. A new blue server with patches timed such that there is no 3-year Kunark for 3-year Donal's BP etc. would be much more utilized by people.

[mitic]

You and 5 other people had a ton of fun.

It is clear from both Red99 and Zek on Live, PvP servers blow for EQ. They don't get the attention necessary to make the game balanced, and due to this they suck cause the core game isn't meant to be played in a PvP environment.

Wasting resources on another Red server would be stupid when the first one failed. A new blue server with patches timed such that there is no 3-year Kunark for 3-year Donal's BP etc. would be much more utilized by people.

so, what exactly are u doin on blue once u reached max lvl? poopsockin some dragons? tradin stuff in ec? please, iam dyin to know!

[Reguiy]

You and 5 other people had a ton of fun.

It is clear from both Red99 and Zek on Live, PvP servers blow for EQ. They don't get the attention necessary to make the game balanced, and due to this they suck cause the core game isn't meant to be played in a PvP environment.

I had a lot of fun playing on vallon/sullon back in the day. Then I played games that were actually designed for pvp and realized how EQ pvp is absolutely terrible.

[Daldaen]

Praytell what is it 90 people do on Red? PvP the same 3 people over and over?

Thats what arenas are for on blue.

[mitic]

ill try it once more:

so, what exactly are u doin on blue once u reached max lvl? poopsockin some dragons? tradin stuff in ec? please, iam dyin to know!

[Daldaen]

Powerlevel, Alts, Charm kill shit in Kedge/Chardok, Group in Sebilis/Charasis, Help people with epics. Occasionally help guilds with Fear/Hate/Sky.

Your turn.

[mitic]

Powerlevel, Alts, Charm kill shit in Kedge/Chardok, Group in Sebilis/Charasis, Help people with epics. Occasionally help guilds with Fear/Hate/Sky.

Your turn.

and what exactly are u getin out of the above ? everything u mentioned might be fun for some runs, but then? let alone the endless drama the past month about boss-mobs rotations on the blue board.

seen the vid in my sig already?

[Rellapse36]

red is fun would be better if the top guild was not so corrupt also having such a low pop people can leave guild a... join guild b... train guild a for 6 months then rejoin guild a.

[Daldaen]

and what exactly are u getin out of the above ? everything u mentioned might be fun for some runs, but then? let alone the endless drama the past month about boss-mobs rotations on the blue board.

seen the vid in my sig already?

So my 6 examples of things I do, gets scoffed of as "yea but that gets boring eventually".

I shall return that argument onto yours. "Yea PvP is fun for some PKs and fights, but then? Let alone the endless drama of corpse camping and players killing people in the bottom of their level bracket..."

To each their own. But history has proven EQ Blue is multitudes more popular than EQ Red. And with limited developer energy/time, it should be focused on the masses. Period. The end.

[COLGATETHEGRANDMASTER]

this daldaen guy is irrationally butthurt about the existence of a pvp server

gonna assume he made a character on red99 when it first launched and got griefed off within the first day

[Daldaen]

I have 0 character on red99, never have never will.

But if you want to talk about Red99 shit, there is a Red99 forum here (http://www.project1999.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=54).

Stop shitting up the Blue forum with stupid PvP ideas.

[rollin5k]

Went ahead and voted on this nonsense

[Swish]

C'mon guys, the best "pvp" on red is reporting someone for violating PnP... give it a try!

[mitic]

the mainproblem about red is the players fear about it.

eq is not meant to be easy, long corpseruns, patience on camps etc. thats the only reason why most blue players are scared to play red and not because "it just sucks", "eq is not designed for pvp" or some other bullsh1t.

players who play red are mostly players who know every ins and outs of this game. so yes, you can say that eq-red sucks, but its not because of the game itself.

eq pvp is in fact the zenith of this games experience. blue, for me, was just a prologue.

[Galacticus]

PvP servers should never be considered ever. They were a terrible idea for a game balanced around PvE where PvP was an afterthought.

Making another Blue server would see 10x the traffic as another red server. Its a friday evening and red doesn't even have 100 toons logged on...

There were teams of people devoted to working on pvp content for pvp servers. Seeing how there were 4 pvp servers and 19 regular servers 1 out of 6 people on played eq pvp and enjoyed it. They had to build new pvp servers over the years because they kept filling up with people bored of end game content and wanted more then arenas.

Eq pve is not balanced. Eq pvp is not balanced. Balance is boring. This game is fun because it isn't balanced. This game has a bunch of unique un-balanced classes that when come together create something more unique. Its the same for pvp and pve.

The blue server is too crowded. I don't have to wait for camps on red. There are no guilds sitting on their asses because its another guilds turn to raid tonight. If someone is an ass I can try to kill them. People are happy to group and don't shun you from exp spots because you rolled a hybrid.



I think most people don't play on R99 because its too intimidating.



They have to make friends with people who could kill them, they have to fight or run from players who are more powerful or higher level then them, they start the game alone with everyone against them.

Eventually after playing for a while you make friends and alliances and win and lose some battles and realize it isn't so intimidating.

[Fame]

Why do all you little bitches cry for balance? Shits not classic bros, if fantasy was balanced any fuck could ride in on a horse and chase off the Nazgul, but that's not the case, you need real mother fuckers like Gandalf to bring the pain. /thread

[Reguiy]

Why do all you little bitches cry for balance? Shits not classic bros, if fantasy was balanced any fuck could ride in on a horse and chase off the Nazgul, but that's not the case, you need real mother fuckers like Gandalf to bring the pain. /thread

It's not just about balance. It's about mechanics and gameplay. There's really way too many flaws to get into without typing out a whole essay. I would suggest one of the four games if you like pvp: WoW, Smite, League of Legends, Starcraft. I'm sure there are more out there, but those are just the ones I'm familiar with.

[Pint]

the main problem with red99 is that all of us still playing way too much eq in 2014 are weird degenerates, but on red99 you have to play with the degenerates that actually enjoy ruining other peoples day.

[Brut]

Idunno about the guards working part btw, like, it works so to speak, but they made the faction assist work too, so it's even worse now than it was when the guards just stood there. Now the other guy will do some questing or picked best deity for the city, have higher faction than you with the guards, and basically has free reign to beat you up next to them since the guards won't be attacking him when they see pvp, but they will attack you the moment you try to defend yourself. I know it's classic and all but damn that's a lame can of worms to open up. The griefers absolutely love it.

Pvp server still fun tho, love how different the overall feel is. You don't just kill SK gnolls until low hp out of mana and then alt tab for 20mins. You want to have spare mana, your buff stack set up, keep memorized some spells you need to fight attackers, keep an eye on /who list, know who the guys that show up on /who list are and what to expect from them, etc. The pve becomes such a byproduct so it's pretty much expected that you know every cranny and nook of lguk before going in. Altho it's kind of confusing to say that at the same time as Gore has apparently been up on red99 for weeks/months now?

[Darksinga]

Confirmed Gore griefing every noob (including me,) in DL.

[Mac Dretti]

didnt vote because if you cry and quit over guard assist then there is no hope for your balls, they are forever lost

[Xer0]

eq pvp is in fact the zenith of this games experience

Speak for yourself--

If that were just a solid fact and not a personal opinion of yours.. the server populations would not be so imbalanced.

Colgate wants to talk about people being butthurt, is he purposely overlooking every one of your desperately vehement responses to the person you're debating this with?

I really kind of feel bad for the guy, Pint, having to argue a point against someone with this hostile, juvenile mentality.

Additionally I'd like to point out, as it already has been pointed out that this is the p99 blue server, so if you want to bash people here for "poopsocking" and being traderscum and sissyboys, fops or dandies, then I think it'd be pretty cool of you to go to your red club forum for men, and do it there. Thanks!

PS: that being said I think I will try red out this morning, what with blue being down. Copying my p99 server and downloading red update files. Prepare yourselves for defeat.

[Shaakglith12194]

EQ PvP is probably the best pvp in any game, ever. I played on RZ Live back in the day and I played on Red99 during beta and release. The thing that got me was that everybody except one guild (Spear of the Nation?) was random pk and Spear was the only anti-pk guild. On RZ all the top guilds were anti-pk, but there were still plenty of good battles to be had. Community on red99 when I played was so toxic and just so bad at the time, I really didn't have much interest in leveling up a character so I could get to know people that I already disliked. Was lots of fun, got my first character on there around 25 and got into something like 100+ pvp battles. Had something like a 4:1 kdr and it was a really great time, no doubt. Went back with my buddy when Legacy of Zek population died and got a bard to 40, but being untwinked and constantly attacked by twinks wearing fungis and sporting epics got tiresome. Maybe it's changed in the months since I last played, but I have no inclination to find out. Also, it's depressing running through Norrath and seeing empty/low population zones.

tl;dr EQ pvp is the best ever, but the red99 community is terrible. Sullon Zek and its players are a disease.

[Brut]

the red99 community is terrible.
Hasn't improved all that much, but the rampant retardation going on when the server was still in beta phase is at least gone now. Think you can still look back at the first threads in Pvp section and it's mostly some colossal derps circlejerking about how all the bluebies shall be corpsecamped and griefed off their box in a matter of weeks. And prty much did due to some big oversights that were really newbie-unfriendly (ie. no guard assist, borked as heck mage swords, no pnp whatsoever, epics on blue coming out week into the servers lifetime).

[Nune]

lol, you think working guards are why people don't play Red99?

/facepalm

[Rhambuk]

Wrong forum bro, reds a few down.

no one here cares about red. at all.

[Coridan]

Sullon Zek was fun before PoK. There would be PC guards at certain zone-ins and a map showing who controlled what zones in the epic war between Evil and Neutral. Needs a way bigger population than we can manage.

[LittleSorcerer7]

Wow. I was just curious, I apologize lol.

[Daldaen]

I and others wouldn't have bothered posting if it went in the PvP section since I (and others I'm sure) don't touch those forums.

I suggest reposting your thread down there and you may get more like-minded people to give you a better gauge for the popularity of your idea.

[LittleSorcerer7]

I'm a blue player, just posted here to see who from blue thought that was interesting since there are like 10 people in the red forum didn't feel like talkin to myself today.

[doeda]

Tried red, some twink rogue came up and killed my freshly naked war, clearly having a guild control 95% of all loot for x amount of years is fun...perhaps its the same at 60?

[mitic]

my guild was dominating blue with tmo running desperately behind us not catching a single dragon once. was it fun? hell yes! was it boring/frustrating for tmo and the rest if the server? oh yes! how is it now? dragon rotations? is that fun? I doubt it. is it fun to sit all day long in ec reselling pixels? maybe. fooling around on blue low to mid level is ok but once you're lvl60 it's game over on blue sooner or later cause there is nothing else to do than starting another alt

[Doors]

The level of butthurt and mad in this thread is funny.

[LittleSorcerer7]

Whoops

[Reguiy]

The level of butthurt and mad in this thread is funny.

I'm guessing you're from red? Seems like the only thing people on red99 know how to do is to say, "you mad bro?" It's like some form of primordial communication they've used since the beginning of red99.

[Gustoo]

my guild was dominating blue with tmo running desperately behind us not catching a single dragon once. was it fun? hell yes! was it boring/frustrating for tmo and the rest if the server? oh yes! how is it now? dragon rotations? is that fun? I doubt it. is it fun to sit all day long in ec reselling pixels? maybe. fooling around on blue low to mid level is ok but once you're lvl60 it's game over on blue sooner or later cause there is nothing else to do than starting another alt

This guy said it.

There is just no where to go with blue. Lots to do on PVP, lots more variety and more fun. Don't read the forums, just play and have fun.

A new PVP server would let a lot of people get a fresh start on Project 1999 in a new and dynamic way.

[Butthead]

yea Daldaen doesnt know what eq pvp is if hes comparing it to live zek or red99 LOL.
Mitic nailed it. theres nothing to do on blue except get to end game VERY easily lol.
blue is simply time dedication, u can watch tv and jus barly pay enough attention to get anywhere. its a cakewalk. and once you get your epic and raid gear w.e, then what?
(seriously then what???!)

at launch red99 was boss, but its been in decline and now with a sensitive ban-happy gm, its only getting smaller. the pvp was relentless and very painful but it add's a sense of realness to the game. you always gotta look over your shoulder for pvp.

(idk about red99 currently tho however. it was a red server but now its indeed taking on a shade of purple. people are focusing on getting screenshots or video of people not following the rules and getting em introuble)

hopefully they will remake a sullon zek someday, but with PVP gm's lol.

iv been on red since day 1 and goofed up on xmas from gettin angry drunk, and didnt read the pnp rules. sirken banned me, other gm gave me 2 week susp. i get back on and get help from ppl to help catch me backup in levels, and Oops! sirken rebanned and i gota write a 5th petition? maybe 4th.

so as of this moment, all that time that was put into my account. all the good times n long hours camping stuff, making friends and enemies along the way ALLLL went out the window from christmas night, when i used bad judgement and drank and said bad stuff in /ooc lol. he re-enabled the ban over that...


such a pitty man, if any1 does makea real pvp server. plz do share

[Poliwag]

i agree with the post above me

over-sensitive gm's mirroring over-sensitive blue players

need red gms and blue gms to be separate powers. otherwise 100-peak purple server cometh (forevereth)

[Reguiy]

THIS JUST IN: Red players spilling over to blue forums in droves. Now in an open rebellion against the GMs. Sources from red are telling us these GMs will do anything in their power to prevent red99 server from existing in the EQ EMU database. An anonymous interview was conducted with one of the red99 daily players, though their answers could not be deciphered as the interviewee was having serious bouts of sobbing fits and tears pouring down their face. We will update you on the situation as soon as this player can be consoled and able to speak in complete sentences.

[sulpher01]

PvP servers should never be considered ever. They were a terrible idea for a game balanced around PvE where PvP was an afterthought.

Making another Blue server would see 10x the traffic as another red server. Its a friday evening and red doesn't even have 100 toons logged on...

Altered Vision members speak nothing but the truth.

[Tune]

srsly who wants to try red and make gains

20 push-ups when you fuk up

we kill dragons and can camp out in any zone

[LittleSorcerer7]

I'm all about it.

[Vidar]

LOL @ New pvp server

[LittleSorcerer7]

LOL @ New pvp server

ok

[chu]

guards not assisting at start of red99 made a lot of people quit for sure
naked noobies had nowhere to hide, poor guys
sure was fun tho

[heartbrand]

Miss Machin Shin

[Tradesonred]

You and 5 other people had a ton of fun.

It is clear from both Red99 and Zek on Live, PvP servers blow for EQ. They don't get the attention necessary to make the game balanced, and due to this they suck cause the core game isn't meant to be played in a PvP environment.

Wasting resources on another Red server would be stupid when the first one failed. A new blue server with patches timed such that there is no 3-year Kunark for 3-year Donal's BP etc. would be much more utilized by people.

LOL

205 people in Eastern Karana alone during the halloween event of 2001 on Rallos going batshit, pvping, pveing event mob. I still remember that time i did /who very clearly.

Do you actually beleive the things you say

That being said, Project99 doesnt know what its doing regarding PVP servers so i wouldnt play on a new one unless i see some big changes.

[LittleSorcerer7]

Miss Machin Shin

bro i was in Machin Shin, Xegony High elf mage Taledar.

[Tassador]

Blue players are funny keep playing virtual dress up you will never make it here.

[Ryko]

Blue players are the people that bought Halo to look for hidden skulls.

Red players are te ones that didnt realize there was a campaign mode.

[Gustoo]

Daldaen guy is hilarious.

Balance. Like street fighter? Like call of duty?

This is a teams based MMO. With 6 on 6 it is balanced. The more...the more balanced.

Rock can't beat both paper and scissors just like a cleric can't beat a monk in 1 on 1 PvP combat.

But rock paper and scissors on a team is real good. Better then a team of 3 monks. Get it?

EQ rallos zek is literally the most rewarding PvP experience ever. Nothing else has come close.