In Response, How many would start on a new blue server?

[LittleSorcerer7]

After a strong no and people mentioning a blue server, how many people would start fresh if a new p1999 PVE (blue) server was released?

[haank5]

Yes

[rollin5k]

have you tried blue yet? noob zones are well populated

[Swish]

First poll of its kind? ;)

[JackFlash]

This is groundbreaking research!

[Origin]

Fo sho

[LittleSorcerer7]

have you tried blue yet? noob zones are well populated

Yeah I play on blue, started over 4 years ago :) but when I first started everything wasn't classic, there were the current tradeskill options so you can just click combine, there were maps, and just a bunch if stuff because the team was still working on it. I think it would attract droves from live eq if a fresh server were started.

[Aaron]

Do a search. This thread has been done about 90 times already.

[LittleSorcerer7]

I see, was just curious

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Poll lacking bush/towers.

[Swish]

Poll lacking bush/towers.

https://archive.org/details/Seven_Minutes

Never forget!

[LittleSorcerer7]

Wow

[Tune]

#tunestrong

#newserver

[Solb]

I started late on this server. It would be great to create a character in the beginning of a new server so I could be one of the first, thus most rich and powerful lvl 60s owning the raid scene my way with so much cash in the bank a year later I wouldn't know what to do with it. So. When is the new server starting up?

[Coridan]

Eh, on live whenever a new server went up you just had a group of four or five people all taking turns grinding one druid up to 50+ in 4 days so he could PL their chars. In less than a year we would be right back where we are now. You would need a daily xp cap and more shit to do besides grinding xp or tradeskills. In other words never happening (though an xp cap on a Sullon Zek rules server could be fun)

[Hinshi Budou]

I'd really like to see an actual classic blue server (with as much classic as possible), with classic timeline for release of expansions. People keep saying shits not classic this n that etc, but 3 years of kunark and guilds shitting up the raid scene... shits not classic. Not one fucking bit. Server is a decent server n all, but imo is far too polluted with waaay too much plat, and waaay too much pixel intoxication. I think lot of us late starters would love the chance to start on a fresh server and see it follow classic timelines. ijs.

[Swish]

I started late on this server. It would be great to create a character in the beginning of a new server so I could be one of the first, thus most rich and powerful lvl 60s owning the raid scene my way with so much cash in the bank a year later I wouldn't know what to do with it. So. When is the new server starting up?

Why stop at one new server? Open 5-6, allow everyone to be king of their tiny hill ;)

I've been here 3 years and I'm still not rich... struggling to put plat together for an Edge of the Nightwalker at the moment (pm me if you're selling one). Perhaps I need some immersion therapy :D

[Keystone]

It would be interesting to have another one from scratch and open Kunark in 6 months then hopefully 6 months from then be velious is ready and and the doesn't go into it with 2 years worth of end game Kunark gear.

[Swish]

It would be interesting to have another one from scratch and open Kunark in 6 months then hopefully 6 months from then be velious is ready and and the doesn't go into it with 2 years worth of end game Kunark gear.

This comes up far too often, a new server would shut down an old server when everyone jumps ship. Might as well call it a wipe. The more that jump, the harder it would be for those staying/leveling to get groups... so they'll jump too.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

This comes up far too often, a new server would shut down an old server when everyone jumps ship. Might as well call it a wipe. The more that jump, the harder it would be for those staying/leveling to get groups... so they'll jump too.

I've supported the P99 wipe committee at every turn. Though I'm not really one for alts...

Sall fantasy anyway. Both N and B said no wipes. May get one once velious is old as dirt, but for fucks sake can maybe a new game come out that's worth a shit so i stop playing EQ?

[Tecmos Deception]

What gets me about the people who want a new blue server is this: none of you guys ever really give reasons why the new server would be more fun for you. You just give reasons why the current one is less fun for you. OTHER people are rich. OTHER people are twinked. OTHER people are PLing. OTHER people are selling MQs. You seem to think that a faster progression will stop OTHER people from doing more stuff faster and better than you will.

I think you guys don't realize that there will be OTHER people on a new blue server too.

How is your relative situation really going to be that different a year from now on a new blue server instead of current blue? Instead of being on a server where there's, admittedly, a ton of plat and items and high-level characters, with people steamrolling through Velious and buying and selling new gear for hundreds of thousands of plat, you'll be near the end of Kunark where the casual players are still only level 40 and the hardcore players have had a 110% lockdown of raid content since the release of the server. Rotations won't even be able to help you when most of your guildies can't even zone into the planes yet, let alone deal with Kunark bosses.

Then you enter Velious with a guild or two in a smattering of "good" gear with the majority of the server sub-50 and starting threads on the forums about how they want a new blue server because of all the same things people do not... just with a new reason instead of "slow timeline." Don't forget that the new server's Velious will be somewhat buggy, since as hard as the staff try it is impossible to release a perfect expansion.


Just quit it with these threads and try to stop letting your fun on current blue be spoiled by what other people are doing. Then a few years from now when Velious is done and the whole classic experience is ironed out, you can play on the new server they'll make then.

[IronLionn]

Heallun im watching your immersion levels.....

If they reach critical were going to have to shut you down.....

[Tecmos Deception]

But hey, if I'm wrong and it isn't your situation RELATIVE TO OTHER PLAYERS that is making you want a new blue server? Well please do tell me why you want a new one. I'm all ears.

[Swish]

Maybe we've got a group of people who not only don't want Velious, but don't want Kunark either? Good luck with those LGuk spawns and seeing 100s of people in SMRs ;)

[HeallunRumblebelly]

What gets me about the people who want a new blue server is this: none of you guys ever really give reasons why the new server would be more fun for you. You just give reasons why the current one is less fun for you. OTHER people are rich. OTHER people are twinked. OTHER people are PLing. OTHER people are selling MQs. You seem to think that a faster progression will stop OTHER people from doing more stuff faster and better than you will.

I think you guys don't realize that there will be OTHER people on a new blue server too.

How is your relative situation really going to be that different a year from now on a new blue server instead of current blue? Instead of being on a server where there's, admittedly, a ton of plat and items and high-level characters, with people steamrolling through Velious and buying and selling new gear for hundreds of thousands of plat, you'll be near the end of Kunark where the casual players are still only level 40 and the hardcore players have had a 110% lockdown of raid content since the release of the server. Rotations won't even be able to help you when most of your guildies can't even zone into the planes yet, let alone deal with Kunark bosses.

Then you enter Velious with a guild or two in a smattering of "good" gear with the majority of the server sub-50 and starting threads on the forums about how they want a new blue server because of all the same things people do not... just with a new reason instead of "slow timeline." Don't forget that the new server's Velious will be somewhat buggy, since as hard as the staff try it is impossible to release a perfect expansion.


Just quit it with these threads and try to stop letting your fun on current blue be spoiled by what other people are doing. Then a few years from now when Velious is done and the whole classic experience is ironed out, you can play on the new server they'll make then.

Honestly feel that wealth accumulation and the lack of resets are one of the major issues on p99. If you were to have your wealth reset every so often at random intervals, would you still horde it? It's caused some pretty awful shit like camp disputes and this endless epic MQ (no not fucking rogue MQs, more mage staff MQs) debacle. I'd just like to see the tears, mostly :3

[Tecmos Deception]

Honestly feel that wealth accumulation and the lack of resets are one of the major issues on p99. If you were to have your wealth reset every so often at random intervals, would you still horde it? It's caused some pretty awful shit like camp disputes and this endless epic MQ (no not fucking rogue MQs, more mage staff MQs) debacle. I'd just like to see the tears, mostly :3

Not only would I not horde it, I wouldn't be playing.

RPGs have always been about progressing a character through a storyline and exploring new places while growing in power and wealth. MMORPGs are that (though usually less story and more power+wealth) in a persistent world.

Resetting wealth ruins a lot of what an MMO like EQ is about.


And if someone is going to make the argument that I'm just a greedy bastard and that the people who want a new blue server just want to get away from people like me and play the game without concern for riches? You can do that on blue right now if you can muster up the willpower to stop caring about OTHER people and just play the game how YOU want to play it. And again, OTHER people are just going to be on a new server doing all the exact same things they did/do on here anyways.

[Coridan]

Better solution would be some ways to get plat out of the game. Newer games do it with housing, item decay etc. Dunno ways to do it here, but I recommend roulette tables in Highkeep where the server is the house rather than the EC gamblers. Maybe let people buy titles.

[myriverse]

What gets me about the people who want a new blue server is this: none of you guys ever really give reasons why the new server would be more fun for you. You just give reasons why the current one is less fun for you. OTHER people are rich. OTHER people are twinked. OTHER people are PLing. OTHER people are selling MQs. You seem to think that a faster progression will stop OTHER people from doing more stuff faster and better than you will.

I think you guys don't realize that there will be OTHER people on a new blue server too.

How is your relative situation really going to be that different a year from now on a new blue server instead of current blue? Instead of being on a server where there's, admittedly, a ton of plat and items and high-level characters, with people steamrolling through Velious and buying and selling new gear for hundreds of thousands of plat, you'll be near the end of Kunark where the casual players are still only level 40 and the hardcore players have had a 110% lockdown of raid content since the release of the server. Rotations won't even be able to help you when most of your guildies can't even zone into the planes yet, let alone deal with Kunark bosses.

Then you enter Velious with a guild or two in a smattering of "good" gear with the majority of the server sub-50 and starting threads on the forums about how they want a new blue server because of all the same things people do not... just with a new reason instead of "slow timeline." Don't forget that the new server's Velious will be somewhat buggy, since as hard as the staff try it is impossible to release a perfect expansion.


Just quit it with these threads and try to stop letting your fun on current blue be spoiled by what other people are doing. Then a few years from now when Velious is done and the whole classic experience is ironed out, you can play on the new server they'll make then.
^This.

Anyway...

I really don't feel like starting again. I probably would, only if I weren't given the choice. I like EQ. I like P99. In that thread a week or two ago, asking what we would change about P99, my response was "Cats on the Moon" because I find everything else about P99 enjoyable.

[Tecmos Deception]

Better solution would be some ways to get plat out of the game. Newer games do it with housing, item decay etc. Dunno ways to do it here, but I recommend roulette tables in Highkeep where the server is the house rather than the EC gamblers. Maybe let people buy titles.

Why do you think having a lot of plat in the game is necessarily a bad thing? It makes some activities like farming fs weapons or farming HGs/SFs relatively less profitable, but it makes farming many items relatively more profitable.

It seems like some players see prices of a fungi or cof in ec and then rush to the forums to complain that inflation is making it impossible for them to buy uber gear, as if reducing pp totals overall would make these items relatively cheaper or something. It is SUPPOSED to be difficult to get/buy best-in-slot gear!

[Coridan]

My bigger problem with it is when I see lazy people able to throw out a couple dozen plat for bone chip stacks and bear pelts, which makes it very easy for a lower level player to basically twink themselves. This makes it super easy for someone to get good gear and makes some of the more classic gear utterly worthless. People used to pay for dervish rings and minotaur axes.

I am sure most don't mind and hell my lvl 13 bard has drake hide leggings and iksar scaled gloves, but it feels wrong in my gut. I much prefer my earned items like my Dragoon Dirk.

[Tecmos Deception]

My bigger problem with it is when I see lazy people able to throw out a couple dozen plat for bone chip stacks and bear pelts, which makes it very easy for a lower level player to basically twink themselves. This makes it super easy for someone to get good gear and makes some of the more classic gear utterly worthless. People used to pay for dervish rings and minotaur axes.

I am sure most don't mind and hell my lvl 13 bard has drake hide leggings and iksar scaled gloves, but it feels wrong in my gut. I much prefer my earned items like my Dragoon Dirk.

If you prefer earning items the hard way, then earn them the hard way. You don't need to split the server's population and demand a bunch more work from the staff in order to play a new character naked, or refuse to accept plat you think is dirty, or just fucking delete the gear some high-level gives to you because he thinks he's doing you a favor.

Also, go figure lots of classic gear isn't valuable in late Kunark. That would be the case regardless of the speed of the timeline.

Hell. Make a guild that refuses to play except untwinked from level 1, that won't buy/sell gear unless it is from another guildie, that emphasizes acquiring gear directly, etc etc etc. You'd probably get a decent following, really.

[Coridan]

I didn't say I was in favor of a new server, I just suggested there be something high levels can do with it to remove it from the economy.

[IronLionn]

If you prefer earning items the hard way, then earn them the hard way. You don't need to split the server's population and demand a bunch more work from the staff in order to play a new character naked, or refuse to accept plat you think is dirty, or just fucking delete the gear some high-level gives to you because he thinks he's doing you a favor.

Also, go figure lots of classic gear isn't valuable in late Kunark. That would be the case regardless of the speed of the timeline.

Hell. Make a guild that refuses to play except untwinked from level 1, that won't buy/sell gear unless it is from another guildie, that emphasizes acquiring gear directly, etc etc etc. You'd probably get a decent following, really.

Way too EMOTIONALLY invested in this game, seek help.

[Tecmos Deception]

I didn't say I was in favor of a new server, I just suggested there be something high levels can do with it to remove it from the economy.

And all I did was ask why there is even a need to remove pp from the economy + point out that "because low levels can have an easier go of p99 if they want to" isn't a very good reason to do it :p

[Coridan]

In general, an economy can not survive without loss. In the real world natural disasters will destroy entire cities, investments flop, accidents happen. Inflation is already huge in P99, something will have to be done eventually or it wiol collapse.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

P99 economy is fine. I just grow weary of resting on laurels all the time. I miss the leveling game :P

[jaybone]

confirmed 43 people who said no are RMT.

[jaybone]

The guy with over a million of plat against new server. IMAGINE THAT!

[Grizzled]

The red server is a waste of resources with avg 75 players. It could easily be made a blue server.

[Reguiy]

The guy with over a million of plat against new server. IMAGINE THAT!

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTmgJM5veDA4kw9q_ezqmvoOfulFB0aT zlpPrxeY-lOaRncHZ32_w

[Tecmos Deception]

The guy with over a million of plat against new server. IMAGINE THAT!

I'm not even old money, dude. I made 90% of my plat in the last 12 months, I hardly played in classic, I've never won an op legacy item, and I didn't even farm the shit out of king or royals or unclassic trade skills or camps people would like to XP at to do it. Don't point at me like I am against a new server because I got rich with mechanics a new blue wouldn't have. I just played a lot and relatively intelligently instead of complaining that I didn't start on day 1 and so the odds are stacked against me.

Still waiting on an explanation of why there should be a new server. Staff have said there won't be a thousand times. The least you could do in attempting to get one is say why you should.

[Tune]

new server + character copies

[Tecmos Deception]

new server + character copies

Lol :)

[Xer0]

What gets me about the people who want a new blue server is this: none of you guys ever really give reasons why the new server would be more fun for you. You just give reasons why the current one is less fun for you. OTHER people are rich. OTHER people are twinked. OTHER people are PLing. OTHER people are selling MQs. You seem to think that a faster progression will stop OTHER people from doing more stuff faster and better than you will.

I think you guys don't realize that there will be OTHER people on a new blue server too.


I understand where you're coming from, but I also am a proponent of your oppositions argument. You seem to be taking "everyone is a twink" as "I'm jealous and I want twinking" but did you ever think that it may be the contrary?

For example I started playing here a year ago. Started and by level 5 I had run into some kind stranger that gave me a nice SK only sword and a few pieces of gear. 40 elvels later I'm in at least 15k worth of gear and I hardly feel like I earned it... I earned the plat, sure, but that's just a waiting game. put 100 points in banded and watch it trick in. soon you'll have Best in Slot for pre-planar, thanks to the dwarf by shady who buys stuff ad lowball prices then gouges the hell out of everyone else.

Now no matter what character I make or where I level some random nice person (and I do thank you, random kind people) hands me gear (sometimes even when I am twink'd).

Now as much as I like to get new free things, this can take a lot of the classic nostalgia feeling. To know that within a couple days of playing a new character someone will probably give me some awesome gear.

It would do a lot to make the population stop quarreling (or cause more fighting, perhaps-- Im not expert in these matters) to kind of have to work together to survive instead of just hitting up a guildy with a spare fungi and burying ourselves even deeper into your already deeply dug niche.

[Tecmos Deception]

If YOUR nostalgic feeling is ruined because YOU choose to accept gear/buffs from strangers, then it is YOUR problem. You don't need a new server, you need the willpower to click off that shissar or decline that new piece of gear in the trade window if making use of that buff/gear really ruins your fun.

[LittleSorcerer7]

If YOUR nostalgic feeling is ruined because YOU choose to accept gear/buffs from strangers, then it is YOUR problem. You don't need a new server, you need the willpower to click off that shissar or decline that new piece of gear in the trade window if making use of that buff/gear really ruins your fun.

When i asked this question, and youre asking for reasons why people would want to start fresh a Lot of people responded, and not with because people are too strong....people are gonna get strong regardless, who gives a shit? My point was that when this server started everything was still being worked on, people got tradeskills high easily, had maps, all kinds of stuff. Not a big deal the game was being worked on. I just think it would be good to start fresh with everyone and experience a 100% classic server with a 100% fresh start.

[myriverse]

I understand where you're coming from, but I also am a proponent of your oppositions argument. You seem to be taking "everyone is a twink" as "I'm jealous and I want twinking" but did you ever think that it may be the contrary?

For example I started playing here a year ago. Started and by level 5 I had run into some kind stranger that gave me a nice SK only sword and a few pieces of gear. 40 elvels later I'm in at least 15k worth of gear and I hardly feel like I earned it... I earned the plat, sure, but that's just a waiting game. put 100 points in banded and watch it trick in. soon you'll have Best in Slot for pre-planar, thanks to the dwarf by shady who buys stuff ad lowball prices then gouges the hell out of everyone else.

Now no matter what character I make or where I level some random nice person (and I do thank you, random kind people) hands me gear (sometimes even when I am twink'd).

Now as much as I like to get new free things, this can take a lot of the classic nostalgia feeling. To know that within a couple days of playing a new character someone will probably give me some awesome gear.

It would do a lot to make the population stop quarreling (or cause more fighting, perhaps-- Im not expert in these matters) to kind of have to work together to survive instead of just hitting up a guildy with a spare fungi and burying ourselves even deeper into your already deeply dug niche.
What makes you think this sort of thing wasn't happening in 1999?

[Xer0]

If YOUR nostalgic feeling is ruined because YOU choose to accept gear/buffs from strangers, then it is YOUR problem. You don't need a new server, you need the willpower to click off that shissar or decline that new piece of gear in the trade window if making use of that buff/gear really ruins your fun.

Aren't yout he guy always responding to things with "isnt classic" pictures? So it's okay for you to nitpick and choose what is classic? I'm not saying it ruins my fun, and I'm certainly not giong to decline free buffs or itamz, but it certainly ruins the air of this being a challenging game.

[Xer0]

What makes you think this sort of thing wasn't happening in 1999?

Because this game did not come to a plateau in 99. It kept moving and changing. This game has been at the same poitn for how long now-- It's plateaued and causes this sort of slothful malaise. Whens the last time you saw a newbie wait for the boat? You want classic, how's a guy in Oasis begging for ports to west commons?

Im just saying, I love eq, but it sucks playing any game that's been stagnating for years.

[whitebandit]

unfortunately i was a few months for a guise...

wipe the server.

[myriverse]

Because this game did not come to a plateau in 99. It kept moving and changing. This game has been at the same poitn for how long now-- It's plateaued and causes this sort of slothful malaise. Whens the last time you saw a newbie wait for the boat? You want classic, how's a guy in Oasis begging for ports to west commons?

Im just saying, I love eq, but it sucks playing any game that's been stagnating for years.
Well, you're flat wrong. I joined Live in September 99 and the first night I was on, my friends were twinking me. Twinking is part of the system. Don't like it, then don't contribute to it. The only difference in P99 is that we now have 3 years of it. But this will always be the case, eventually.

[Tecmos Deception]

Aren't yout he guy always responding to things with "isnt classic" pictures? So it's okay for you to nitpick and choose what is classic? I'm not saying it ruins my fun, and I'm certainly not giong to decline free buffs or itamz, but it certainly ruins the air of this being a challenging game.

There is a difference between classic mechanics (spammable hoops on raid bosses) and the classic experience (staff nerfed the classic hoop mechanic to bring the raiding experience more in line with how it played out on live). Someone HAS TO "pick and choose what is classic" because we don't have Jesus Christ himself here to miracle up a perfectly classic server for us.

And as far as complaintng about the challenge of the game being gone but only because you allow it to be gone? Again, that's on your shoulders.

[Ceelow]

ive been traveling to and from newb zones on different toons for over a week now, and there is a lot of people in each, everyday

[phacemeltar]

race wars please

[Coridan]

holy wars!

[August]

With regards to relative experience to others...

My main desire for a new server would be the lure of being a JC salesman.

JC market is super-saturated on this old server. I can sit in EC all day Saturday and Sunday and sell maybe 8-10k worth of product, netting me maybe 4-5k. As a level 60 enc, this is a colossal waste of time since I could just go solo a camp during this time and get items worth way more.

For reference, on Fippy Darkpaw server as soon as I got Enchant:Silver I leveled up my JC and started making silver jewelry going zone-to-zone.

Steamfont->LFay->GFAY/CB->BBlock->Freeports->Commons/NEK->Kith->Rivervale->Misty->Back to Kith->HHK/HHP->Karanas->Qhills->BBurrow->Everfrost->Back to Qeynos->Toxx->GATE->RESTOCK->Do it again.

It was an insane amount of fun, for me. I made a couple plat per item, which enabled me to level JC even more, which ended up with me having to level as fast as I could to be able to enchant platinum (instead of having the spell already and leveling it up). I sat at level 34 for a long while just hawking wares.

This, subsequently, led to a massive amount of wealth, relative to others, which was pretty awesome.

I came to this server late with a saturated market. I have plenty of money here, now. I don't care so much now about having twinks - I have them. I'd just like to be able to do things fresh for a bit here. There isn't a demand for silver or electrum jewelry anymore. There's not even really a demand for most tradeskills. It would be nice to get to relive that. I won't die if I don't, but it'd still be fun.

[bluejam]

never in a million years.

[Funkutron5000]

The opportunity to level another paladin to 60? Be still my heart!

I would actually probably enjoy that way more than I should, plus it would allow me to get a guise/ lustrous russet armor so I wouldn't have to be so damn jelly of Ektar all the time.

[Issues]

A new blue server, will be the same as the current blue server a year or two down the road. seems redundant.

[Valoril]

More than 200 votes is a pretty overwhelming interest for the question considering that probably at least a half of players never or rarely visit this forum.

[baalzy]

A new blue server, will be the same as the current blue server a year or two down the road. seems redundant.

Sept shaman wouldn't have been able to get to 34 nearly as fast since they wouldn't have a bugged lvl 14 DOT doing 4x the damage it should.

Enchanters wouldn't have had 2 years to level up spamming whirl till you hurl.

Manastones would've been much more rare because their drop rates would have been significantly lower.

Monks wouldnt have been able to solo to 50 at a zoneline abusing instant-refresh mend.

People wouldn't have been able to charm solo as easily due to broken charms that almost always lasted their full duration.

Plat wouldn't be heavily inflated due to JC exploits & dupes.

People wouldn't have been able to AOE level in Skyfire.

Fungis wouldn't have been nearly as easy to farm because of invis pulling.

Kunark would have been able to drop at the right time (not after people had 8 level 50s).

VP would come on time.

Velious would come on time.

Account trading wouldn't have created a massive imbalance of people being able to park alts at various camps.

I'm sure there are a lot of other non-classic exploits people were able to do on blue because the true state wasn't known until after the fact.

Sure, 3-4 years after Velious drops the server would probably be in a similar state, but a new blue now would be a radically different experience from 2009.

[formallydickman]

Sept shaman wouldn't have been able to get to 34 nearly as fast since they wouldn't have a bugged lvl 14 DOT doing 4x the damage it should.

Enchanters wouldn't have had 2 years to level up spamming whirl till you hurl.

Manastones would've been much more rare because their drop rates would have been significantly lower.

Monks wouldnt have been able to solo to 50 at a zoneline abusing instant-refresh mend.

People wouldn't have been able to charm solo as easily due to broken charms that almost always lasted their full duration.

Plat wouldn't be heavily inflated due to JC exploits & dupes.

People wouldn't have been able to AOE level in Skyfire.

Fungis wouldn't have been nearly as easy to farm because of invis pulling.

Kunark would have been able to drop at the right time (not after people had 8 level 50s).

VP would come on time.

Velious would come on time.

Account trading wouldn't have created a massive imbalance of people being able to park alts at various camps.

I'm sure there are a lot of other non-classic exploits people were able to do on blue because the true state wasn't known until after the fact.

Sure, 3-4 years after Velious drops the server would probably be in a similar state, but a new blue now would be a radically different experience from 2009.

QFT. Among many many other things

[Shaakglith12194]

Tecmos is completely right about this, it seems that the main reasons for people to want a new server is that they are concerned with what others are doing and feel that affects their experience. The twinking and powerleveling will still happen and I'll tell you exactly how it would happen.

TMO (just using them as an example because they're well known, I have no bias for/against them) starts their guild on new server. They farm bone chips, cb belts, lego pads, etc. and help get a druid up to PL range. And then another. And another. Druid PL squad PLs the rest of the guild to raid status. Now you've got a group of people from the original blue server who have come together possibly because of this server who are more organized on the new server than when they started on the old one. They're all max level 2 weeks into the opening of the server. They begin locking down every single camp worth a damn on the entire server, occasionally leaving to kill naggy/vox.

While they're locking down these camps, they're also maxing their tradeskills because what else are ya gonna do while holding down 30 minute spawns? So they start twinking, jewelry floods the market, nobody wants the silver/electrum stuff 3 weeks after release because if they just kill a few more hill giants, they can buy something they won't have to upgrade for a long time. Dudes are twinked, raid mobs are locked down, low end tradeskills aren't worth crap/nobody wants them, and every low level zone is so overcamped and overcrowded it becomes more of a pain in the ass than the current server could possibly be. 4 years after the release of Live EQ, did people still want to buy those low skill jewelcraft items? Hell no. You blame "stagnation" but it's not that, it's that 4 years after the release of a server, nobody wanted that stuff.

And three months after the server opens, the people who want a restart will either be near/at max level or level 12. Most will be level 12. The casuals will still be lowbies, the hardcores will still be hardcore, all the things you don't like will actually be worse. Someone in this thread complained about people giving them items, well then, just don't take them. I have a 55 troll sk, a 28 DE cleric, and a 12 gnome mage. The SK I started a few months after server start and my gear is just now starting to look decent. Had a corpse rot at like level 25 when my comp got stolen after a night where I died and logged. Got a new comp months later, beat level 1's to death with my fists, grabbed a rusty sword, and went to killing newb mobs for cash until I could get some gear. His gear/items are worth easily 60k+ today and I've earned it all. Cleric was twinked with like 3k worth of items (not much of a twink). Mage I just started with absolutely NO twinking. Not a single platinum, not a single item. Having a great time and the only thing bothering me is this damned druid in unrest powerleveling, but that would be happening on a new server too.

It's your choice to accept charity, no one is trade raping you. You can say "no" and you'll still have a good time.

tl;dr Tecmos is right in every one of his posts in this thread. New server would be way worse in every respect.

[bled12345]

I was choked that I started on p99 right when DE mask and manastone were about to be taken out haha. Getting 50 was a big deal, and there was still global ooc chat :D

Honestly though, the only reason I still troll p99 3 years after I played is in the hopes that a fresh server would start. I rolled on red not because I cared about pvp but because it was a new p99 server, sadly it was a ghost town, and quit after having to solo to 16 as a warrior haha.

The staff have never been interested in starting a new blue server, about a year ago there was a big push for it including multiple people even willing to donate large sums of money, still no go haha, so I wouldn't hold your breath.


Although people having 6+ level 60's, and the economy being flooded with millions and millions of plat over the years, that's not what intrigues most people about a new server. Back in the day, new server pops were just *FUN*, it was like the wild frontier, f*** planes gear and dragon drops, seeing a level 23 warrior with dual fine steel weapons and banded steel was MIND blowing! lol, thats whats cool about new servers, warriors being ballin at level 10 with a full set of rawhide gear lmao.


Anyways, fingers crossed, I wouldn't hold my breath though.... I've been hoping for a new blue for years now, and I would have suffocated long ago :P

[bled12345]

Tecmos is completely right about this, it seems that the main reasons for people to want a new server is that they are concerned with what others are doing and feel that affects their experience. The twinking and powerleveling will still happen and I'll tell you exactly how it would happen.

TMO (just using them as an example because they're well known, I have no bias for/against them) starts their guild on new server. They farm bone chips, cb belts, lego pads, etc. and help get a druid up to PL range. And then another. And another. Druid PL squad PLs the rest of the guild to raid status. Now you've got a group of people from the original blue server who have come together possibly because of this server who are more organized on the new server than when they started on the old one. They're all max level 2 weeks into the opening of the server. They begin locking down every single camp worth a damn on the entire server, occasionally leaving to kill naggy/vox.

While they're locking down these camps, they're also maxing their tradeskills because what else are ya gonna do while holding down 30 minute spawns? So they start twinking, jewelry floods the market, nobody wants the silver/electrum stuff 3 weeks after release because if they just kill a few more hill giants, they can buy something they won't have to upgrade for a long time. Dudes are twinked, raid mobs are locked down, low end tradeskills aren't worth crap/nobody wants them, and every low level zone is so overcamped and overcrowded it becomes more of a pain in the ass than the current server could possibly be. 4 years after the release of Live EQ, did people still want to buy those low skill jewelcraft items? Hell no. You blame "stagnation" but it's not that, it's that 4 years after the release of a server, nobody wanted that stuff.

And three months after the server opens, the people who want a restart will either be near/at max level or level 12. Most will be level 12. The casuals will still be lowbies, the hardcores will still be hardcore, all the things you don't like will actually be worse. Someone in this thread complained about people giving them items, well then, just don't take them. I have a 55 troll sk, a 28 DE cleric, and a 12 gnome mage. The SK I started a few months after server start and my gear is just now starting to look decent. Had a corpse rot at like level 25 when my comp got stolen after a night where I died and logged. Got a new comp months later, beat level 1's to death with my fists, grabbed a rusty sword, and went to killing newb mobs for cash until I could get some gear. His gear/items are worth easily 60k+ today and I've earned it all. Cleric was twinked with like 3k worth of items (not much of a twink). Mage I just started with absolutely NO twinking. Not a single platinum, not a single item. Having a great time and the only thing bothering me is this damned druid in unrest powerleveling, but that would be happening on a new server too.

It's your choice to accept charity, no one is trade raping you. You can say "no" and you'll still have a good time.

tl;dr Tecmos is right in every one of his posts in this thread. New server would be way worse in every respect.

This arguement doesn't hold much weight lol, There was IB, then there was DA, then there was Europa, then there was fusion, then there was Europa/IB again, then TMO, shit changes, people willing to organize and play 14 hours a day are always going to be on top.


I think the problem with p99 current state vs a fresh server, is that on a newer server a cloak of flames is a BIG deal, a set of banded is a BIG deal, a set of full bronze, or having silver jewelery like mentioned above is a BIG deal.

Being one of a handful of level 50 warriors, or bards, or paladins, or enchanters, is a BIG deal.

I tried playing on p99 again recently, and it just wasn't interesting. There was no motivation to try to level up, and be a "BIG DEAL" (that's where the motivating drive behind EQ really lays no?) Even if you got up to level 60 as a warrior, you aren't really needed because there are people with 6 level 60's, and a plethora of every class they can just hop on to at any point it's needed lol. That's kind of fooked.

I think the problem, to me at least, is that nothing in p99 is a big deal anymore. It's expected people have multiple level 60's, and hundreds of thousands of plat, and multiple CoF's or heiro cloaks in the bank. Nothing really matters, and there is no incentive to be "sweeeeet" on this server, because even when you amass hundreds of thousands of plat, and level up multiple level 60's, your just one amongst many, and it doesn't even really matter.


Server's need big deals, they need the Zilo's, the furor's, its just not interesting when EVERYONE has a SHIT TON of end game loot and plat, on MULTIPLE characters. What's the point of being a millionaire if everyone is, or having a ferrari if it's mass produced and more common than a civic.

Being a winner is fun, but only when there's losers, on p99 everyone is a winner, everyone has ribbons, so no one cares, at least I don't..... It'd be fun to care again :P

[LittleSorcerer7]

Sept shaman wouldn't have been able to get to 34 nearly as fast since they wouldn't have a bugged lvl 14 DOT doing 4x the damage it should.

Enchanters wouldn't have had 2 years to level up spamming whirl till you hurl.

Manastones would've been much more rare because their drop rates would have been significantly lower.

Monks wouldnt have been able to solo to 50 at a zoneline abusing instant-refresh mend.

People wouldn't have been able to charm solo as easily due to broken charms that almost always lasted their full duration.

Plat wouldn't be heavily inflated due to JC exploits & dupes.

People wouldn't have been able to AOE level in Skyfire.

Fungis wouldn't have been nearly as easy to farm because of invis pulling.

Kunark would have been able to drop at the right time (not after people had 8 level 50s).

VP would come on time.

Velious would come on time.

Account trading wouldn't have created a massive imbalance of people being able to park alts at various camps.

I'm sure there are a lot of other non-classic exploits people were able to do on blue because the true state wasn't known until after the fact.

Sure, 3-4 years after Velious drops the server would probably be in a similar state, but a new blue now would be a radically different experience from 2009.

This is what ive been getting at. I wonder how much money it would take to get the gentlemen working on the servers to pop out a new one. Shit ill buy whatever it takes and host that shit in a padlocked apartment ill rent for the server.

[skipdog]

This arguement doesn't hold much weight lol, There was IB, then there was DA, then there was Europa, then there was fusion, then there was Europa/IB again, then TMO, shit changes, people willing to organize and play 14 hours a day are always going to be on top.


I think the problem with p99 current state vs a fresh server, is that on a newer server a cloak of flames is a BIG deal, a set of banded is a BIG deal, a set of full bronze, or having silver jewelery like mentioned above is a BIG deal.

Being one of a handful of level 50 warriors, or bards, or paladins, or enchanters, is a BIG deal.

I tried playing on p99 again recently, and it just wasn't interesting. There was no motivation to try to level up, and be a "BIG DEAL" (that's where the motivating drive behind EQ really lays no?) Even if you got up to level 60 as a warrior, you aren't really needed because there are people with 6 level 60's, and a plethora of every class they can just hop on to at any point it's needed lol. That's kind of fooked.

I think the problem, to me at least, is that nothing in p99 is a big deal anymore. It's expected people have multiple level 60's, and hundreds of thousands of plat, and multiple CoF's or heiro cloaks in the bank. Nothing really matters, and there is no incentive to be "sweeeeet" on this server, because even when you amass hundreds of thousands of plat, and level up multiple level 60's, your just one amongst many, and it doesn't even really matter.


Server's need big deals, they need the Zilo's, the furor's, its just not interesting when EVERYONE has a SHIT TON of end game loot and plat, on MULTIPLE characters. What's the point of being a millionaire if everyone is, or having a ferrari if it's mass produced and more common than a civic.

Being a winner is fun, but only when there's losers, on p99 everyone is a winner, everyone has ribbons, so no one cares, at least I don't..... It'd be fun to care again :P


I think you grossly overestimate the number of people with multiple 60s and the number of millionaires. There are so many silly statements in your post that just aren't true.

[LittleSorcerer7]

I think you grossly overestimate the number of people with multiple 60s and the number of millionaires. There are so many silly statements in your post that just aren't true.

if there is 1 millionaire for any reason other than normal gameplay, that is too many. Sorry that we do not agree about cheating and exploits.

[Kaleadar]

you forgot a big one in that list... the change from pets giving full EXP to owner to having to do 1 point of dmg to having to do over 50%.

This was huge back in the day.

[skipdog]

if there is 1 millionaire for any reason other than normal gameplay, that is too many. Sorry that we do not agree about cheating and exploits.

Huh? You think 1 person having 1 million plat is 'too many'? For what reasons?

Posts like yours confuse the heck out of me. The few who are that rich have literally poured their life into this game for years. Your assertion that 'cheating and exploits' is the only way to obtain such a fortune is laughable.

[LittleSorcerer7]

Huh? You think 1 person having 1 million plat is 'too many'? For what reasons?

Posts like yours confuse the heck out of me. The few who are that rich have literally poured their life into this game for years. Your assertion that 'cheating and exploits' is the only way to obtain such a fortune is laughable.

Read the post again bud, i said OTHER THAN FROM NORMAL GAME PLAY, posts like yours confuse me when people respond and quote you and dont even fucking read it. Thanks again, safe travels.

[Tecmos Deception]

if there is 1 millionaire for any reason other than normal gameplay, that is too many. Sorry that we do not agree about cheating and exploits.

You should probably play single player games then. No mmo will ever be rid of cheats/bugs/exploits.

I've said it before, I'll say it again. What if a new blue would have come out 1 year ago? The tmo dudes who were exploiting on blue until their recent bans would have been on the new server too. And then the appeal of a new server for all of you guys, a virgin economy and none of the previously-discovered bugs from blue and all that, would have been entirely ruined in just months. And if a new server started today? Yep. A few months from now it would already have duped plat and people who leveled with exploits and a stratified economy and level 1 rogue alts with ragebringers.

Give it up and just try to enjoy the best emu around.

[skipdog]

Read the post again bud, i said OTHER THAN FROM NORMAL GAME PLAY, posts like yours confuse me when people respond and quote you and dont even fucking read it. Thanks again, safe travels.

my bad, somehow missed that.

[LittleSorcerer7]

my bad, somehow missed that.

no prob.

[Mehrk]

I've said it before, I'll say it again. What if a new blue would have come out 1 year ago? The tmo dudes who were exploiting on blue until their recent bans would have been on the new server too. And then the appeal of a new server for all of you guys, a virgin economy and none of the previously-discovered bugs from blue and all that, would have been entirely ruined in just months. And if a new server started today? Yep. A few months from now it would already have duped plat and people who leveled with exploits and a stratified economy and level 1 rogue alts with ragebringers.

You are stretching the truth quite a bit there. No one would deny that no-lifers would ruin any number of recreations, whether they be a wipe or a new server, but it wouldn't be as bad as blue currently is for a long time. The logic behind it? Just that - time. No matter how hard the neckbeards poopsock camps they can't magically inflate the economy 50x faster than it was done on blue. They certainly can't do it without all the exploits and overpowered gear they had access to for years. There are several relatively major changes that have been or could be made to greatly extend the lifespan of the economy as well. Bard kiting being marginally dealt with, Sro AC being nerfed, raid policy, account trades being banned, loads of gear that shouldn't have been in, tons of non-classic mechanics that were absolutely broken, etc etc. They could potentially make minor changes that would greatly improve the server's longevity as well. What the hell does farming seafuries bring to the server? 0% fun and 100% vendor generated plat. It bloats the economy with 50-100k every day for no reason other than Verant shit the bed. Implementing it doesn't do anything beneficial for the server, and if anyone whines "classic! classic! I miss my nostalgic seafury gems!" you can just grin knowing you screwed over a greedy lying bitch. And who doesn't love that?

As far as your "there is no spoon" concept of 'classic' goes.. My dad doesn't have a computer or internet.. does that mean the internet and computers don't exist? That argument makes no sense. Every time he leaves his house he has to have some interactions with something that is ran off the internet or computers. In the same manner, even if it is only related to the economy, a player who refuses to use kunark spells/gear/levels still has interactions with Kunark, and thus it is not classic. EDIT - Though I should say that I don't have a different opinion. Just because a bunch of people arrived late to the party doesn't mean blue should be wiped. I only joined a few months before Kunark, and while I do wish I could have enjoyed it more, I don't think that alone is reason enough to wipe/clone the server.

I'm not going to claim some arbitrary number of people want a new blue and therefore it's the right decision, but the reasons for it are simple, obvious and very much more logical than maintaining a broken, stagnant server that was ran with overpowered gear and numerous exploits for years. Not bashing any staff here. I didn't know stuff like sky gear/blue diamond jewelry wasn't in yet either, it's simply a fact that this is the way the server existed. Furthermore it's obviously not the staff's fault that the timeline is borked, but it's something else that could easily be fixed with a reboot.

Well.. not like I ever expect them to actually do any of this. Just hopeful wishing.

[Solb]

You should probably play single player games then. No mmo will ever be rid of cheats/bugs/exploits.

I've said it before, I'll say it again. What if a new blue would have come out 1 year ago? The tmo dudes who were exploiting on blue until their recent bans would have been on the new server too. And then the appeal of a new server for all of you guys, a virgin economy and none of the previously-discovered bugs from blue and all that, would have been entirely ruined in just months. And if a new server started today? Yep. A few months from now it would already have duped plat and people who leveled with exploits and a stratified economy and level 1 rogue alts with ragebringers.

Give it up and just try to enjoy the best emu around.

^ Always angry. Sometimes, people disagree, and no one is right or wrong. Ever thought that maybe some people simply like different experiences than you, Tecmos? Maybe some people enjoy starting on a new server. Regardless of all the negatives you mention, there are lots of positives that you fail to mention when a new server starts up.

[baalzy]

I'm perfectly happy with the server the way it is. But I would also be happy getting a new blue. I'm also happy knowing theres a possibility of a new blue being brought online at some point after Velious lands on this server.

However there would definitely be major differences in the progression of a new blue server because of things that are known now about classic that wasn't necessairly known/implemented when the server launched in 2009.

The end-state may still be the same eventually but that would take several more years to reach again. Ultimately most people come to this server to experience things the way they were and having a restarted blue appeals to them because it starts that over again.

[HippoNipple]

Why do you want more players on blue, isn't it already crowded?

[Tecmos Deception]

I can't help but think, everytime I see people complaining that they want a new server because of all the things that were/are wrong with the current one, that they're just saying "this server isn't good enough and/or I want a better relative situation for myself by erasing everything the people who have been here longer than I have have accomplished."

"LOL THE GUY WHO IS RICH DOESN'T WANT A NEW SERVER GO FIGURE." Yeah. No fucking shit I don't want my characters wiped. No fucking shit I don't want a bunch of the blue players wandering off to a new server just as we are getting up near the same peak population the SMALLEST live servers had during Kunark. If you guys would accept blue as the amazing emu it is, flaws and all, and play the damn game instead of trolling forums and trying to blackmail the staff with "well i'd play p99 for sure if we had a new blue server!" and shit, you'd feel the same way.

Am I mad for saying everyone asking for a new server/wipe is dumb? Yeah. But am I madder than the people who have the audacity to make those requests instead of just enjoying the best damn emu around and being glad it is here at all? Nope.

You act as if it isn't an enormous part of "the classic experience" for there to be dupers and cheaters and exploiters and powergamers and quirky mechanics. No, I'm not saying these are good things, but I AM saying that trying to demand a volunteer staff shit out a fresh server every time some random player puts up a poll asking for one just because he doesn't like how chanters could level with whirl a few years ago but now he has to play his chanter legit today... I'm saying that's retarded. And it would be a cycle like that. Cause as soon as a new blue is out, SOMETHING would be wrong with it and players would be starting polls about how "should we re-release blue2 now before the damage gets worse? vote yes if you love eq, and vote no if you're a duper/exploiter/cheater lololol"

[Solb]

Well, I enjoy this server immensely, and did not start from the beginning. I also would enjoy a new server to start up.

I think that Rogean and every dev who does work on it really do more than they get credit for. We the players forget the work so many people put into it who get no credit. It's very easy to forget this, and to get unappreciative. It's also easy to develop a sense of entitlement.

I just feel like saying thanks to those people who give us the opportunity to be angry, or happy regardless over such discussions as this one. in the big picture, just be thankful.

[LittleSorcerer7]

Of course.

[Nirgon]

Tecmo there will not be a new blue server no matter how many polls are created.

Calm your beard.

Your pixels are safe.

Pras,
The Doc

[Tecmos Deception]

Tecmo there will not be a new blue server no matter how many polls are created.

Calm your beard.

Your pixels are safe.

Pras,
The Doc

My wife didn't like my beard (and it was itchy), so I got rid of it. It was legit too. No neckbeard at all! Not at all like last hunting season when I just didn't shave for 2 months.

[Jimjam]

I always enjoy new servers.

Yes, grouping in unrest with a couple of fungi/epic twinks with a 60 cleric camped nearby is its own kind of churn and burn fun.

New servers are different, equipment is used in the content it was 'designed' for. You're lucky if the group's rogue has a dragoon dirk and bracers of battle in unrest, and the challenge of the entire group using limited equipment is its own kind of fun.

The problem with new servers is once the economy gets rolling and the level spread widens this novelty wears off and people retire to their twinked out characters on older servers.

TLDR: grouping with people that have crap equipment is fun, but only if there aren't people with better stuff to hang out with :p.

[stewe]

Polls are fun, but this isnt gonna happen no matter what a poll says.

[LittleSorcerer7]

Guaranteed not gonna happen, but always interesting to see what people say.

[Daldaen]

http://board.crossfit.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10092&d=1355100086

[Quineloe]

have you tried blue yet? noob zones are well populated

except they aren't during the day and some are always empty or dominated by soloing farmers. It's far less populated than EQ newbie zones were during kunark

[Circa.]

I've supported the P99 wipe committee at every turn. Though I'm not really one for alts...

Sall fantasy anyway. Both N and B said no wipes. May get one once velious is old as dirt, but for fucks sake can maybe a new game come out that's worth a shit so i stop playing EQ?

This xsofuckingmuch

[Sweetbaby Jesus]

Just gimme a guise on my paladin and keep the server the way it is. That's all I want.

[Mandalore93]

I don't have a dog in this fight, but assuming that the purpose of the server is to emulate the original game, then a server wipe is necessary. But not until velious is out and most things have been solved.

Kind of funny though that Tecmos has a stick so far up his ass on this issue you can probably see leaves when he talks. :p on the serious side though, I can see his point of view. Wiping the server before velious is out and polished would be stupid. Not only would it be unfair to the guys who have put a lot of time into this server regardless of how messed up it has been at some points. It would also be silly not to take the time to play through the last expansion so to fix any issues there.

[GnashingOfTeeth]

yup, would reroll in a second.

[SamwiseRed]

new servers the most fun even if its blue.

[Tankdan]

dumb poll options...

id want to start a new one 3 years after velious IF they don't go forward with a Luclin of some sort.

[Laugher]

Can the devs here just release a new server every 10 years, when we hit the 9th year in a decade? I mean we're already 1.5 decades deep, whats another 5 and then 10 years

[phacemeltar]

purple please

[Hollywood]

I don't have a dog in this fight, but assuming that the purpose of the server is to emulate the original game, then a server wipe is necessary. But not until velious is out and most things have been solved.

Kind of funny though that Tecmos has a stick so far up his ass on this issue you can probably see leaves when he talks. :p on the serious side though, I can see his point of view. Wiping the server before velious is out and polished would be stupid. Not only would it be unfair to the guys who have put a lot of time into this server regardless of how messed up it has been at some points. It would also be silly not to take the time to play through the last expansion so to fix any issues there.

It's been suggested several times that all the people whom wanted to keep their pixels, can stay on original blue, while going onto raid Velious. Meanwhile all the people wanting fresh, would goto new server.

I suspect the population split would be about 40/60 or 60/40.
There might also be people playing old characters and new alike, across both.

dumb poll options...

id want to start a new one 3 years after velious IF they don't go forward with a Luclin of some sort.


That would be fine under normal circumstances, though blue didn't start under normal circumstances.

[Rhuma7]

New server would bring more people to the server.

Anyone who says they would quit playing if a new server came out is a lying sack of shit or in denial.

[Elendae]

I will put my two cents in. I started relatively close to the beginning of the server; it was fun and nostalgic but not quite the same as Classic. And it wasn't due to mechanics. It was because this is not 1999 and I'm not 15 years old with no responsibility, all doe-eyed with zero EQ knowledge.

A new server would fracture the population. There would be a few weeks of that tingly nostalgic feel for some players running around in a packed newbie zone, but the gap between the hardcore players and the player that gets a few hours a week would widen quickly and with half the population of Blue now, the world would start to feel pretty empty. I played when peak population was 3-400. It was barren. And it wouldn't take long before that electrum/silver jewelry would be passed over.

Anyway, I doubt I said anything that someone else hasn't already posted in the thread.

[Yonkec]

New server would bring more people to the server.

Anyone who says they would quit playing if a new server came out is a lying sack of shit or in denial.

Such science. Much truthiness.


Obviously the only solution here is to 1) wipe blue and red 2) merge them together on a new server with full item loot and no level restrictions. 3) profit

[Trosh]

rolling servers ftw!

Every year, you launch 1 new server, and release an expansion for the old server, then once it hits a year into Velious, merge it into existing blue server.

That way you have your big old ugly large corrupt bloated server like now, but then you also have cool ones where people can start anew once a year! that way you always have 1 server in each expansion - Huzah!

[fishingme]

You should probably play single player games then. No mmo will ever be rid of cheats/bugs/exploits.

I've said it before, I'll say it again. What if a new blue would have come out 1 year ago? The tmo dudes who were exploiting on blue until their recent bans would have been on the new server too. And then the appeal of a new server for all of you guys, a virgin economy and none of the previously-discovered bugs from blue and all that, would have been entirely ruined in just months. And if a new server started today? Yep. A few months from now it would already have duped plat and people who leveled with exploits and a stratified economy and level 1 rogue alts with ragebringers.

Give it up and just try to enjoy the best emu around.

A new blue server would start initially with all of the explots that are known and currently patched on this server would all ready be implimented on the new one. Not to mention, in order to emulate classic even more, a new rule set would be needed on the server. Ones that if you disobeyed it would result in consequences for your toons on both servers.

[LittleSorcerer7]

It was more about how much they've improved the servers and made it so classic and wonderful we want to experience it just like that from the beginning, since when it first came out it wasn't NEAR as complete as it is now.

[fishingme]

Way too EMOTIONALLY invested in this game, seek help.

lol +1

[fishingme]

It was more about how much they've improved the servers and made it so classic and wonderful we want to experience it just like that from the beginning, since when it first came out it wasn't NEAR as complete as it is now.

+1, tecmos is new. Doesn't realize this.

[LittleSorcerer7]

+1, tecmos is new. Doesn't realize this.

Yeah probably, lol ive been around this project for almost 5 years.

[Valoril]

Assuming a sample of 400 voters is representative, 3/4 of the P99 population would start on a new blue server if it opened (and I would too).
This is consistent with other more general findings about MMORPG that 80% of players play less than 20 h/week and that only a small minority of 10-20% is motivated by hardcore raiding and max level content.
Those who were on Fippy progression server at release have seen the overwhelming attraction effect of an EQ server that allows to start anew.

The paradox is that if a new P99 opened, the old would instantly depopulate leaving only hardcore raiding guilds on it because they invested too much time in their characters, bank account and equipment.
It is however probable that they would move sooner or later too so that the net effect would be equivalent to a wipe and a reset of the old server.
The latter being much cheaper, faster and easier I would have no problem with a wipe and reset as an alternative proposal.

[Swish]

rolling servers ftw!

Every year, you launch 1 new server, and release an expansion for the old server, then once it hits a year into Velious, merge it into existing blue server.

That way you have your big old ugly large corrupt bloated server like now, but then you also have cool ones where people can start anew once a year! that way you always have 1 server in each expansion - Huzah!

Sounds like a lot of work for the devs, nobody thinks of that when these ideas emerge.

Also you'll spread the player base too thin and not encourage people to get their epics and "finish" their characters.

What happens 1-2 months before the merge is due, people rolled on it to get away from all the twinking/mudflation etc...will either quit or not bother starting.

All new servers turn into old servers, and its a matter of maybe 3-4 weeks before you start seeing people twinking an alt, or having leveled a druid/necro, farmed the appropriate gear etc.

The best way is to continue on the current blue server timeline, and choose yourself not to twink at all and level up based on what you loot and can gather :p

Or better still, roll on red and truly start from scratch. Its weird how people came to P99 for a classic EQ experience but won't ditch all their twink gear because they're too comfortable. Red gives you a real fresh start.

[Ziggy]

just restart blue with an actual classic timeline

[feanan]

What you fail to realize, without peons to lord over, and without the fun of blocking content for other "scummy casuals", raiding guilds wouldn't want to be on their own server.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Assuming a sample of 400 voters is representative, 3/4 of the P99 population would start on a new blue server if it opened (and I would too).
This is consistent with other more general findings about MMORPG that 80% of players play less than 20 h/week and that only a small minority of 10-20% is motivated by hardcore raiding and max level content.
Those who were on Fippy progression server at release have seen the overwhelming attraction effect of an EQ server that allows to start anew.

The paradox is that if a new P99 opened, the old would instantly depopulate leaving only hardcore raiding guilds on it because they invested too much time in their characters, bank account and equipment.
It is however probable that they would move sooner or later too so that the net effect would be equivalent to a wipe and a reset of the old server.
The latter being much cheaper, faster and easier I would have no problem with a wipe and reset as an alternative proposal.

Nope. We'd just take over both servers. The infrastructure is already there.

[rollin5k]

Pretty much everyone would jump on a new server. I think people who say otherwise are just bluffing

[innocent51]

I wouldnt restart. However of they make a velious Server and a classic (non Kunark) i would consider Play in both.

[Caloosadesign]

I Started a month ago, and have loved every minute so far. Brings back memories of 1999. I have never had a hard time finding a group. I sell everything to save up for next set of spells. I have no uber armor or weapons, and am not jelious of some of the twinks that I have grouped with. It only helps me grouping with them to get through some of the tough mobs easier. I have a set of leather armor and I'm happy. Thanks to all the people that made this experience possible.

[Splorf22]

The people who want a new server aren't the casuals; they are the hard-core types who came late and want to erase the head start of the neckbeards who got there first. A new server will be just like the old one within 6 months; read the threads about Red's launch if you don't believe me.

[fishingme]

The people who want a new server aren't the casuals; they are the hard-core types who came late and want to erase the head start of the neckbeards who got there first. A new server will be just like the old one within 6 months; read the threads about Red's launch if you don't believe me.

I play casually, I've got plenty of platinum and gear here with many chars 55+. Id restart.

[blakedubois]

I'm pretty casual as well and I voted yes to a new server without hesitation