Designated No PL Zones?

[eisenfaust]

Is this possible? Pleno the barb shaman is in Unrest right now hogging all the yard spawns. I asked him if I could pull from his train and he started being rude, despite several people in the zone telling him to play nice. Crap like this really kills my immersion.

[Thulack]

Won't happen. But just pull from his train anyway. Nothing bad will happen to you unless he zones lol.

[diplo]

he's supposed to share via PNP.

[eisenfaust]

I started AOE'ing his pack after he was a jerk, and he said that I would be banned for it.

[loramin]

My understanding of the rules (and to be fair, my rules lawyering is nothing like what's-his-face with the Jenny McCarthy avatar) is:

* if the guy is just taking a camp's worth of mobs, he's not doing anything wrong (and not even being a jerk in my book), if you try to mess with him (eg. steal his mobs) you could get in trouble

* if he's taking most of the zone's mobs, he's the one that will get in trouble (for zone disruption); you're still safer petitioning rather than messing with him, but I really doubt you'd get in trouble for taking a few mobs from him

* if he's taking anywhere in between, it's kinda fuzzy/gray; he definitely becomes a jerk in this range, but there's no guarantees who (if anyone) would get in trouble

[Mac Dretti]

Red99 has mobs and a more family friendly environment in general

[cuddlesthekilla]

Yea well we had the same thing in MM Heallun of FE is pling someone and he kills our group by a train and says tough. Took like 15 mins to get a rez from him and it is completely his fault.

[Kergan]

Best part of R99 is you can kill other players.

[Shaakglith12194]

I don't think a rule needs to be enacted, but me and about 2 other people had been soloing stuff in the unrest yard (OP was obviously one of them) for literally hours when this happened. Things are all fine for quite a while, we're each in our own little area killing stuff and retreating to safe spots, and this dude comes in and suddenly for at least an hour, maybe two, there was hardly a mob up in the entire yard. Extremely annoying. It should just be a courtesy thing. With it being such a popular zone, PLers should respect other people's ability to get exp. I think it's fine that people can buy PLs, but don't make the PL in a high traffic area. Just, maybe, I dunno, have some respect for your fellow players?

[Swish]

Best way to flush out PLers? Form a group and kill off as many mobs as possible... and if they train you at CE in MM report promptly!

[Swish]

Had half thought about pulling all of OT before when a bard was swarm kiting and taking it all to the outpost. If I can't have any why should you? :p

[Rhambuk]

Had half thought about pulling all of OT before when a bard was swarm kiting and taking it all to the outpost. If I can't have any why should you? :p

or you could train the outpost guards/golems through his swarm. Just shout train first and its all good!

[HippoNipple]

I started AOE'ing his pack after he was a jerk, and he said that I would be banned for it.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=57

Feed your anger and take what is yours.

[Rhambuk]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=57

Feed your anger and take what is yours.

Im sure a level 12 wizard is gonna do real well against a twinked out character buffed to the gills by a high level druid and being continuously healed by said druid.

Great idea! go for it....

[Jimjam]

Best part of R99 is you can kill other players.

because you're so gonna kill someone with lvl 50 druid back up :p.

[Daldaen]

"Don't be a dick"

^ this rule would fix your above issue and so many others. Shame it's so hard to enforce.

[zs3000]

Thing about unrest is, the yard is an open area, if only the yard is being pulled really no rules are being broken (saying its such a small part of the overall zone/camps in unrest) a camp via the rules is a room. (aka standing inside of it) so by trying to steal the mobs no matter how rude either party is being to each other. 90% of the time the person KSing will get in trob.

just from what I can find looking at the rules

Outdoor pathing mobs are not campable unless you are sitting at the spawn point and able to engage it instantly.


1. You may not steal kills.

Kill Stealing is defined as the killing of an NPC for any reason that is already fighting or pursuing another player or group that is prepared to engage that same NPC without that group's specific permission.

2. You must comply with arbitration for contested spawns.

There are cases where two or more groups wish to kill the same NPC or hunt in the same area. In these cases, the groups are required to compromise.

If an equitable compromise cannot be reached between the players prior to Project 1999 Customer Service Staff involvement, the P99CSR will mandate a compromise. Any such compromise is final and not open to debate. Refusing to abide by these terms will be considered disruption and may result in disciplinary action.

It is therefore strongly suggested that the groups make every attempt to reach a compromise that they can live with prior to involving a P99CSR, who may mandate a compromise that does not suit you to the extent that a player-devised compromise would.

(meaning if you did not try and work something out or even if you did, but you and the other party could not agree you KSing is still a clear cut rule break where as the person PLing while it might be a dick thing to do is still not breaking a rule) atleast not till a gm makes them do something (whatever that might be)

8. You may not disrupt the normal playability of a zone or area.

Zone/Area Disruption is defined as any activity designed to harm or inconvenience a number of groups rather than a specific player or group of players. This includes, but is not limited to::

-Monopolizing most or all of the kills in an area.

(they might have been breaking this one, However its hard to put a number on MOST) So if they were leaving some part of the yard up, like not pulling from the small house outside or the pool area for example.

This is all the help I can be from just looking at the rules reading what you posted and copying the said rules down for you to read in your post.

However I also know there is 2 sides to every story. but from what I read you were the one that was for sure 100% breaking a rule by KSing. just my thoughts though.

[eisenfaust]

8. You may not disrupt the normal playability of a zone or area.

Zone/Area Disruption is defined as any activity designed to harm or inconvenience a number of groups rather than a specific player or group of players. This includes, but is not limited to::

-Monopolizing most or all of the kills in an area.

(they might have been breaking this one, However its hard to put a number on MOST) So if they were leaving some part of the yard up, like not pulling from the small house outside or the pool area for example.

This is all the help I can be from just looking at the rules reading what you posted and copying the said rules down for you to read in your post.

However I also know there is 2 sides to every story. but from what I read you were the one that was for sure 100% breaking a rule by KSing. just my thoughts though.

I can say that this was definitely the case, and I am sure there are others who will tell you the same thing. The guy made about 20 laps around the Estate and even ran to the entrance by the fountains where I was soloing beetles, and took those mobs as well. I admit, yes I did try to take some of those mobs, but it was only because there were absolutely NONE left and this went on for a while.... So now , is it still considered KSing if he clearly broke this rule??

[Derubael]

If there is someone taking up all the mobs in the yard in unrest in order to power level someone, feel free to pull mobs off their group with no fear of staff repercussion.

In cases like this where someone is monopolizing content to do a powerlevel in a lowbie zone where others are exping, I will ask them to either relegate their pulls to an area that isn't being used, reduce the number of mobs they are pulling, or simply leave.

There are plenty of places to power level that aren't being used by a bunch of people new to the game, if they'd like to power level in the more popular zones, they need to respect the other people who are there.

All of that being said, it's best to try and work something out with the player present before simply /petition'ing. Most power levelers are very open to working out boundaries/limits so that everyone can enjoy the zone.

That's your official staff response. Quote it, stamp it, put it in the mail and send it to the next person who is being overly rude in their process of PL'ing.

[Hinshi Budou]

So many powerlevelers and farmers are considerate and nice... they ask when they come into a zone to make sure they are not infringing etc, and I know if i am farming or PLing and a group comes that can get exp, I offer the spot and people are surprised and very happy. Can't expect everyone to follow that though... way too many "entitled" players out there, so it is nice to see your post regarding the exact rules Derubael Can't help but wonder if we should start a "This PL'r was a dick" thread in RnF and add the inconsiderate ones to it one by one?

[JackFlash]

I honestly can't wait until chardok can be played as a normal zone....instead of a PL factory. AE's happened on live but they didn't lock down the zone forever.....

[Juevento]

I assume the same ruling applies for Chardok PLing too right?

[Coridan]

All powerleveling should be relegated to Splitpaw =)

[element08]

befallen -> runnyeye -> paw

[Man0warr]

Unrest is such a great zone for druid PLing though, only other option that level range with undead and a good ZEM is Kurns, which is a hassle to get a PLee to if they aren't an iksar.

Unrest has been so packed the last couple weeks I haven't really been able to PL people 12-20.

[Rhambuk]

Unrest has been so packed the last couple weeks I haven't really been able to PL people 12-20.

/cheers on a pler that wont pl in populated zones

[Man0warr]

It's not really worth the money for the PLee if I have to wait for mobs to pull.

[Clark]

Red99 has a more family friendly environment in general

:confused:

[Iumuno]

befallen -> runnyeye -> paw

That`s actually a very good idea. Ban Pling everywhere else.

[Ravager]

befallen -> runnyeye -> paw

Runnyeye is my zone. Stay out everyone.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

befallen -> runnyeye -> paw

mother of god, i never thought about runnyeye. completely forgot about the zone--what lvl do the gobbos go to roughly?

[HeallunRumblebelly]

:confused:

You actually die more to trains on blue than pvp on red. It's just red being a desolate wasteland of constantly soloing that is a turn off :p

[Raavak]

Most power levelers are very open to working out boundaries/limits so that everyone can enjoy the zone.Most PLers I have run-ins with are snotty and condescending. Maybe I'm just unlucky.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

mother of god, i never thought about runnyeye. completely forgot about the zone--what lvl do the gobbos go to roughly?

If you head all the way down to the king I think they max out around 30. Place is terrible for runners though and healing through walls/doorways.

I always thought this would be an amazing place to bind on red though. There are two merchants and a banker down there and if you were patient could probably just wipe all of Xorbb for an easy faction boost with the goblins.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

Most PLers I have run-ins with are snotty and condescending. Maybe I'm just unlucky.

This. Especially since most aren't doing it out of the warmth of their heart. I can see the frustration though in charging someone 2.5k/hr or a set level after an abritrary amount for time but really, you took that risk when you made the deal.

[radditsu]

Fungus guys are a better time than gobbos imo.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Fungus guys are a better time than gobbos imo.

Usually found sol a to be quite good. Last night there were like 20 people in sol a, though, had to move a lvl 10 pl'ee to gnomes. exp was still good but with that fucking exp cap having to hit above it by so much was frustrating. WTB lvl 1-6 in 1 kill again pls.

[Bill Tetley]

what's next? do we have to group rangers that ask for group when you're doing a duo?

[Daldaen]

If this happens I look forward to the initiative to require king and crypt groups to invite Druids.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

what's next? do we have to group rangers that ask for group when you're doing a duo?

Lolwut?

[MasterKiljaedon]

what's next? do we have to group rangers that ask for group when you're doing a duo?

Sarcasm is also deemed the lowest form of wit when your mind cannot think of something original to opine about. You just throw something obtuse into the fray and feel like you contribute to the discussion with a snarky response.

[fadetree]

what's next? do we have to group rangers that ask for group when you're doing a duo?

You're safe from me. I don't group with dickheads much.

[Rhambuk]

I assume the same ruling applies for Chardok PLing too right?

I was curious about this after deru's original post.

If theres a pl group going on and another group shows up does the pl group have to share some of the zone?

I know this puts a huge wrench in the gears of chardok ae groups but its a load of bs to begin with...

[Daldaen]

Not all of Chardok gets pulled when AOEing.

There are several areas a group can setup (quite easily once an AOE clears the path).

So they shouldn't have to share since there are equal level areas available in the zone that aren't being touched. Just because it isn't a convenient area or the area you want doesn't mean you can take the mobs they were killing because they are able to kill so many.

[Rhambuk]

if someone wanted to rules lawyer, hypothetically here, couldn't they just sit at the fort while the pl group is at zone in since you can't claim the entire zone, and zone in isnt a camp?

its a dick move but if pl group isn't in a camp to claim any group that zones in has free reign to what camp they take regardless if its right in the middle of the pull path for aoe group. then aoe group couldn't pull mobs they had rights to, and take the risk of training/wiping the first group and get bans

[Daldaen]

You get the camp rights to whatever mobs you're keeping down right?

So if a group setup at the empty fort that and AE group had been clearing, that is already camped since they are killing it.

What you're suggesting is like going into crypt and setting up on top of empty Hierophant room. Because the group is in the main room. Major young lawyer/mega douche move to try something like that since anyone with 2 brain cells know you just don't do that.

Really though, aside from being jealous of Chardok AEers or a monk that is disgruntled that their epic might cost them 8k (AEers shouldn't be able to sell that MQ piece I agree).... Why do you want to stop them exactly? Barely anyone ever grouped there before . It would be the same now. The few groups that do start there are welcome to go further in and drop down to the slave area or do Korocust room / area near royals etc. I don't really get the drive the make AEing Chardok more tedious/against the rules. It is a pretty far out of the way zone already. An optimal one to PL in since it is so rarely trafficked and was before AEing started there.

[Rhambuk]

I'm not really against it I've just seen a few people post that they can't do the zone because its on pl lockdown 100%

I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter what mobs you keep down if youre alone in the zone you can do whatever but when another player/group zones in you have to pick what camp you want. Sitting at fort and pulling everything beyond that is really a camp its monopolizing zone content.

I'm not for or against dok pl I'm more curious as to how the situation would be handled if something like this did happen.

[Daldaen]

Pretty sure it would be handled by calling BS to your first sentence. 100% isn't locked down as stated before. There are several camps/areas that the AE groups don't pull/clear where a group can set up and kill stuff. They would say just go kill those camps if you want to group in Chardok.

[Rhambuk]

Isn't that forcing playstyle. If a group zones in and theres no one at fort because they are at zone in shouldn't they have the right to sit at fort and kill the mobs.

If this were happening in unrest and a group of level 18's wanted to main room but there was a druid pulling the entire house to zone in to pl some lvl 10 cleric and only leaving yard beetles up would it just be too bad and theyd have to settle on killing lightblue beetles because thats thats the available camp?

[Daldaen]

Difference being almost everything in Chardok is similar level range. Also unrest is far more commonly grouped by level appropriate people. And the AE groups in Chardok are getting exp whereas a PL Druid isn't.

So saying to someone to group in the slave pit or near Korocust room isn't the same no since it's all gonna be the same levelish stuff. Where you kill mobs shouldn't have any bearing on your camp so long as you keep them down on respawns.

[Rhambuk]

I guess its not really a big deal I was just curious as to how it would be handled. What if several groups come in the pl group would be forced to share at a certain point, or should be.

[Rhambuk]

stupid double post

[Daldaen]

Eh I dunno. I am of the opinion whatever amount of mobs you can feasibly kill and lock down with your group and keep them killed regularly after respawns, you should be able to claim as your camp and not share.

But this is all hypothetical since Chardok will never see 3 groups there simultaneously doing something other than AEing or Royals. Until perhaps the Chardok revamp when people want those new clickies and stuff.

[Rhambuk]

I don't really see it happening either and since the dok revamp isnt until the end of velious it shouldnt be an issue then.

I was really just wondering how it would be handled i know in zones like a guk necros that can clear all named have to pick what camp they want when more zone in. Just didn't know if that applied here

[Daldaen]

LGuk you are only sniping named though. Chardok they aren't doing any named just trash. Which is where I can see a difference being. Since Chardok doesn't have many true named atleast that the AEers pull, the motivation there is either random trash loot or exp (or both) which makes where you are killing irrelevant so long as you have a constant stream of mobs to pull from. Whereas named in LGuk have specific loot tables etc.

[Rhambuk]

as long as there is a constant stream of mobs flowing.

[Sarajo]

Here's been my observation on the whole thing:
Suggest allowing multiboxing? NOT THAT IS NOT CLASSIC ENOUGH AND IT WILL ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR GROUPS AND NO ONE WILL GROUP OR TALK TO ANYONE ELSE
The same argument is used for twinking, or for the "What class should I play? Necro or mage?" questions that pop up from time to time.... and on and on and on... the same argument pops up because we've all seen what happens in an MMO where everyone can solo to max level, ad what happens to those who don't want to play a pure solo class or twink out so hard that the only challenge is staying awake as you melee.
But when you're not in the middle of some powerlevel circle jerk arrangement, and you wander into a zone LFG, and all you get are soulless blank faces running past you with snared trains instead of a response, it's like: What's the point of even playing EQ Classic? Go the fudge back to Firiona Vie and start a headshot/decap/swarm PL business, and leave this (notionally) superb server experience to people who actually want to group at camps together, just like we did in classic days. Go back to live if you can't control your need to PL for money or be PLd.

(I mad)

[Man0warr]

I could find you 10 threads from 2000-2001 on the Druid's Grove archive about the best places to PL for exp and money.

Shit's classic.

[JackFlash]

Barely anyone ever grouped there before

This def. isn't true. Wasn't true on my server. More like barely anyone AE'd there back in classic times. Internet and timeline prohibited it most likely. We have been stuck in the golden age of Chardok AE on P99 for a while now.

[Daldaen]

This def. isn't true. Wasn't true on my server. More like barely anyone AE'd there back in classic times. Internet and timeline prohibited it most likely. We have been stuck in the golden age of Chardok AE on P99 for a while now.

My reference to barely anyone grouping there was P99 and it was true.

I grouped there once maybe twice on P99 during the AE skyfire days. And is solo there occasionally when I was bored. Other than the people I brought with me, I never ran into another soul there. It was a ghost town. And if AEing Chardok is unclassicly removed, it would go back to being a ghost town.

People would do royals to sell cleric epic MQs and occasional warrior/enchanter epics. And the rare nostalgia group would pop up. But it being so far out of the way replacing anyone is impossible and a critical person leaving means the group is over.

[Man0warr]

On my live server during classic the ONLY groups in Chardok were AE groups consisting of Cleric/Wiz/Ench and maybe a puller, usually sitting at the top of the tunnel mouth to the left of the entrance.

Obviously much smaller scale than what goes on here - there was no FD class with max faction pulling from the bottom of the zone, and they weren't PLing they were doing it for their own exp and loot like SBS and SoS.

The type of mobs in the zone and how it's lain out (plus no traditional item camps really) never really attracted normal groups.

[Morningbreath]

I could find you 10 threads from 2000-2001 on the Druid's Grove archive about the best places to PL for exp and money.

Shit's classic.

That just means druids have been sucking since 2000-2001. But go ahead and show us these threads.

When the original game had a dozen or so servers this was a seperate issue. When there's only one server to play on with just one expansion and you've got 1 or 2 players hogging content in ANY zone, it's a much bigger problem.