sham question.

[Loadim]

im deciding between a troll iksar or iksar sham. im semi casual player but never played a shaman and out of the classes.. these are for me,

with iksar.. JJB items not being avaliable is this a huge deal or is it not? as for iksar which i have never played for banking etc. how do people find them around the world?

[M.J.]

Check out the priest forum for all your shaman questions. I'd say troll for alchemy vendors, inny snare necklace, and the ability to farm your own Overthere gate hammer.

[loramin]

Short Answer: Troll is the better shaman race.

More involved answer: Trolls and Iksars both have regen, which is awesome for Shaman (although I think most would agree that in the long run Ogre stun immunity is more awesome). Both are disliked by any good race. Both have the same (large) racial experience penalty.

However:


Trolls can wear plate. First there's the famous JBB: I remember it being essential Shaman gear back on live, but here I think the consensus is that it's only really good if you can afford to get one to level up with. At 60, its value is a lot less clear.
However, Trolls also get to wear the other great Jaundiced pieces. These can save you a ton of mana on raids because they have right-click stat buffs, and most are very affordable (<1k). Finally there's the chest piece (NOT so affordable) which offers one of the only ways for a Shaman to get a damage shield.


Trolls are not hated by Dark Elves, other Trolls, Ogres, and The Overthere. EVERYONE hates Iksar, but at least Trolls have a few different cities they can sell/bank at.


What do Iksar have against Trolls? A slight racial AC bonus, and they aren't hated in Cabilis.

[Loadim]

hi guys

i did look at an ogre but i assumed that the regen would be the way forward?

[baalzy]

hi guys

i did look at an ogre but i assumed that the regen would be the way forward?

Regen becomes a lot less useful at 60 if you have torpor 1200-1500 healing depending on how the ticks fall. Having higher max HP at that point allows you to canni down to the point where you're getting the full torpor effect without getting dangerously low.

[slappytwotoes]

Short Answer: Troll is the better shaman race.

Trolls are not hated by Dark Elves, other Trolls, Ogres, and The Overthere. EVERYONE hates Iksar, but at least Trolls have a few different cities they can sell/bank at.

However, Troll Shammies CANNOT use the Ogre Shaman guild as they are KOS there despite being indifferent in Oggok.

Idk if it's a bug but I certainly found out the hard way...

[loramin]

Regen becomes a lot less useful at 60 if you have torpor 1200-1500 healing depending on how the ticks fall. Having higher max HP at that point allows you to canni down to the point where you're getting the full torpor effect without getting dangerously low.

On top of that, many of the fun mobs a Shaman might want to solo at high levels summon them, which makes the normal root/rot approach impossible. Against these mobs, an Ogre is guaranteed to be able to cast through stuns, while any other race has to deal with their casting being interrupted by a stun.

Power hierarchy of shaman races IMHO:

Ogre > Troll > Barbarian > Iksar

That being said, I play a Barbarian Shaman myself: there's really no wrong choce, just a more or less power game-y choice.

[loramin]

However, Troll Shammies CANNOT use the Ogre Shaman guild as they are KOS there despite being indifferent in Oggok.

Idk if it's a bug but I certainly found out the hard way...

Good point, but at least they can still use each other's banks and vendors.

And no, it's not a bug: the two guild leaders have beef with each other over something (I forget the story).

[loramin]

Doesnt Iksar gain the ability to use JBB in Velious?

Nope. I think later on (Luclin+) maybe they got an equivalent item? Or maybe everyone just stopped caring because the JBB was garbage when you got to even higher levels? I forget, but for the life of this server I'm pretty sure the JBB will forever be non-Iksar.

P.S. This thread definitely belongs in the priest forum.

[Origin]

Ogre

[webrunner5]

Yeah, I agree Torpor sort of makes the JBB not as much needed. But Torpor is a 100k spell as of late and damn hard to even get IF you have the plat.

The point about Velious mobs summoning a lot does make good sense about making a Ogre. Mine is a Barb but I bet I will regret it in Velious.

[Byrjun]

Ogre > Troll > Barbarian > Iksar

That being said, I play a Barbarian Shaman myself: there's really no wrong choce, just a more or less power game-y choice.

Yup, although Iksar are incredibly behind even Barbarians.

Or maybe everyone just stopped caring because the JBB was garbage when you got to even higher levels?

JBB becomes obsolete around PoP.

Yeah, I agree Torpor sort of makes the JBB not as much needed.

These things aren't really related. In fact it's at 60 once you have Torpor when you'll be using the JBB the most. Mobs do a lot of damage when you're soloing them, even when slowed. You can put your mana towards Torpor / debuffs while using JBB and pet to DPS.

But Torpor is a 100k spell as of late and damn hard to even get IF you have the plat.

Upwards of 160k recently.

[BattleToad]

Troll is a rough road but the best choice.

JBB is really good and worth the cost.

Can easily solo 3-4 mobs in Karnors all day with just Epic/Root/JBB

and that's without* Fungi Tunic, Torpor, Bane, Pox, 55 Pet, or any pet.

[DeadL]

In my opinion Ogre frontal stun immunity is the strongest racial choice for shamans. I also believe when velious launches Iksar will become quite strong due to racial AC bonus, regen AND plate. (also they don't look like shit!)

Tomba!
60 Iksar Shaman

[rollin5k]

if i was me ( you're not ) i'd go with iksar. reason is because it doesn't really matter either way

[Infuriati]

If you had to choose between the two, go with troll. Jaundiced Bone Bracer, if you can afford one, is an extremely powerful tool for leveling. If you really wanted to min/max then go Ogre.

[Wudan]

Iksar FTW!

frontal stunn immunity - I have to lol @ ppl who believe its a huge advantage. Ive played Iksar shaman for 6 years total, not having stun immunity never stopped me from doing same stuff Ogres can do. It may help you here and there, it is a minor advantage. I take regen over stun immunity any day!

JBB - real men dont need that. It makes your life easier, but not being able to use it does not break the game for you, just makes you work little harder.


Iksars will always have AC bonus & regen, plate will come with Velious. They will be arguably the best shaman race in Velious end game.

P.S. Dont forget the most important thing! They look BOSS! I for one could not play a character that looks like bag of shit! You are gonna be staring at him for a very long time so make sure you are ok with the looks. Some ppl dont care, some do.

[EliteJackson]

P.S. Dont forget the most important thing! They look BOSS!

I disagree with everything else this man said, but Iksar shaman with an epic look pimpin.

Ogre stun immunity is huge. JBB is mega huge if you buy one eaely. These things can allow you to pull off shenanigans that would be fatal to other shaman. If solo shenanigans is your goal, ogre.

And just forget Torpor. Don't include it in making your decision.

That said, my shaman is an Iksar.

[Wudan]

Ogre stun immunity is huge. JBB is mega huge if you buy one eaely

Tell me how huge is it? Be specific. Is there anything Iksar can not do because of not having it?

60lvl shaman can live without JBB, no problem there. Sure its a good twinking item if you can afford it. Definitely not huge in the long run though.

Puppet strings are huge. JBB is not.

P.S. If you think Iksars are behind in Velious end game, you dont know your class/race all too well imho.

[Loadim]

Thanks for your responses guys

So i sat at the class creation screen last night and cycled through the races... Quite alot.. Had some dinner.. Checked out ec... Went back to the char screen.. (This process lasted a while..

I in the end picked the class i wanted to play more than others. Iksar was created. Never played iksar before (not classic anyway) so new journey.. Also.. Tail!!

Started the grind going well. I have tried troll now.. The running troll irritates me.. So i knew i couldnt get into the race (shallow maybe but hey) ogre seem ok bit for me iksar seems to have stuck!

Cheers guys

[Shamen]

I salute you sir!

Send me tell in game I can hook you up with full banded set and help turning it into Scaled Mystic Armor (http://wiki.project1999.com/Scaled_Mystic_Armor_Quests)!

One advice for first 23lvls - do not kill any Burynais! It will allow you to roam around Kurns freely, killing skeletons in basement/catacombs without having to worry about Burynai HTs, DOTs and DDs. You can stay up to lvl 23, them lessers give great exp!

You migth want to look into Shaman Skull Quests (http://wiki.project1999.com/Shaman_Skull_Quests), if you need any help with this, let me know.


Good luck & enjoy
Hail Cabilis!

Shamen Scaled <Taken> 60 Iksar Oracle

[sulpher01]

It comes down to whos ass you wanna stare at all day... :p

[Droog007]

Frontal stun immunity is neat - but don't pretend that Ogres will never have a spell interrupted. Any melee hit can interrupt a spell - and the interrupts you don't learn about until the casting bar runs out and you fail your channeling check are the worst kind.

I'll take innate regen, stacked with fungi, regrowth, AoB (does AoB stack with fungal regrowth? I forget), and bathe in my slightly more oft-interrupted torpors while I canni my heart out and stack all kinds of dots.

And I'll take troll because we run so fucking sweet.

[Loadim]

Ty for advice and help for armor its very much appreciated il shoot you a tell in game!

So far enjoying lizard life must say fob/kurns seems great for leveling

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

Ty for advice and help for armor its very much appreciated il shoot you a tell in game!

So far enjoying lizard life must say fob/kurns seems great for leveling

Can also go to Karnors castle and pick up a full set of rotting Jarsath.