Low Level Enchanter: Animation vs. Charm

[Ceelow]

Any experienced enchanters like to shed some light on low level charming vs. their anmiations?Is there any diminish return for using charm at such a low level (12) vs. the level 12 animation?

I know you can charm mob #1, kill mob #2 with charmed mob #1 and then, invis and kill your charmed pet, but after thats all said and done i'm OOM basically.

Do things pick up after you get clarity?

Just curious, thanks )

[Yinikren]

Things pick up with charming after 16 and breeze. I charmed until 39, then at 39 I found I could easily solo with the animation because of his improved regen (pet will almost outregen blue con mob dps at 39 after it is slowed. It was a joke after 44 with Shiftless Deeds). At that point, it was a toss-up for me. The animation was slow, steady, easy exp for when I didn't want to pay attention, but if I really wanted to work I could charm and it would be faster.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

Any experienced enchanters like to shed some light on low level charming vs. their anmiations?Is there any diminish return for using charm at such a low level (12) vs. the level 12 animation?

I know you can charm mob #1, kill mob #2 with charmed mob #1 and then, invis and kill your charmed pet, but after thats all said and done i'm OOM basically.

Do things pick up after you get clarity?

Just curious, thanks )

I charmed from 12 onward and found 12-16 pretty difficult. I did it on the red server so the amount of time needed to do it was really small but I'm not sure I would do it again.

From 16 onwards it makes sense and is incredibly easy with breeze but I would have to say an animation almost makes more sense. Couple that with root jousting (letting your pet tank, run in for a quick swing of the wep and duck out) and you'll level pretty quickly to 16.

[Samoht Farstrider]

Any experienced enchanters like to shed some light on low level charming vs. their anmiations?Is there any diminish return for using charm at such a low level (12) vs. the level 12 animation?

I know you can charm mob #1, kill mob #2 with charmed mob #1 and then, invis and kill your charmed pet, but after thats all said and done i'm OOM basically.

Do things pick up after you get clarity?

Just curious, thanks )

Don't let charmed pet kill mob #2 and take 50% xp! When both are low on health, root mob #2. Back mob #1 away, sit it down and back up to max casting range. Use Taper Enchantment to break charm for better mana efficiency. Nuke mob #1, then mob #2. Get 100% xp for both.

[Ceelow]

So basically use animation til 16+breeze? Anymore info on this would be great . Btw is gamtexttriggers allowable on p99? (Not to get off topic)

[Splorf22]

Any experienced enchanters like to shed some light on low level charming vs. their anmiations?Is there any diminish return for using charm at such a low level (12) vs. the level 12 animation?

I know you can charm mob #1, kill mob #2 with charmed mob #1 and then, invis and kill your charmed pet, but after thats all said and done i'm OOM basically.

Do things pick up after you get clarity?

Just curious, thanks )

the thing about charm is that mobs are quite weak at that level. At L60 you can charm a L50 krup with 8000 HP and 100 dps vs an animation with 2000HP and 30 DPS. The difference is not nearly as stark at lower levels.

[Berendar]

I was having the same problem at your level with mana, especially if a charm broke and I had to get control back.

Level 19 now though and it's getting better as I'm using the same spells as I was at 12. Also use the level 4 Mesmerise for everything. :) It's got a great mem blur component.

[Ceelow]

yea its pretty rough at low levels, needing at least 50% mana to kill a target and be 'safe', cant wait to get a few more levels

[Daldaen]

So basically use animation til 16+breeze? Anymore info on this would be great . Btw is gamtexttriggers allowable on p99? (Not to get off topic)

Yes it is. Atleast it was a 2 years ago when I asked Rogean directly. It should still be today.

And yea this is why a large chunk of those who seek low level PLs are enchanters. To get past the first 16-20 levels into a place where soloing is a lot easier.

[Ceelow]

ill take a PL to 20 :-D

[Tecmos Deception]

I was having the same problem at your level with mana, especially if a charm broke and I had to get control back.

Level 19 now though and it's getting better as I'm using the same spells as I was at 12. Also use the level 4 Mesmerise for everything. :) It's got a great mem blur component.

Fortunately it just keeps getting better and better for enchanters. You get to keep using a lot of lower-level spells even at 50+ while also getting more and more mana regen as you pick up clarity, theft of though, and clarity 2. A lot of your higher-level spells stay pretty cheap (fetter, tashes, stuns, etc), and the ones that do cost more (hastes, slows, charms) scale super well as you start charming and fighting higher-level mobs.

[Recusco]

I just hit 16 on an enchanter on red server. When I hit 12 I was expecting to be able to easily charm enemies and clear my camp that way. I didn't have much CHA but I only needed them to last one fight so I could nuke them down...

A few deaths later I stuck with my animation and would just root rot them until they died. When I managed to get 16 and breeze however it became much easier and I am using charm to clear my camp very easily.

Being a dark elf with hide is a game changer as well really.

[Ceelow]

Kinda wish I made a de for hide now!

[Brut]

Wouldn't do it at lower levels just because the mana costs makes it all very inefficient, you really can't handle that many charm breaks or keeping larger camps cleared. Some mid 20s onwards it's not as bad anymore, recall solo clearing Mistmoore alot from late 20s onwards and it was noproblemo (pre-Breeze classic era ghetto gear).

[Daldaen]

Kinda wish I made a de for hide now!

Goblin Gazughi Ring is the same thing it just costs about 8k or many hours camping it. DE is certainly helpful for early levels when you cannot afford that though.

[Berendar]

I tried a DE for a bit and found hide just not reliable enough. I ended up using Taper Enchantment all the time even on the DE.

[Samoht Farstrider]

What's up Bob!
Need more videos please!

[Berendar]

What's up Bob!
Need more videos please!

Tomorrow probably. :)

[Ceelow]

I guess I will just have to rough it til I get into my 20's. I appreciate all of the information!

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

I guess I will just have to rough it til I get into my 20's. I appreciate all of the information!

Tougher till 16. Much easier at 20 when you get a more useful aoe stun that lasts longer than it takes to cast mezz/charm.

[SwordNboard]

I'm level 52 and have never summoned a single animation..

[Recusco]

I tried a DE for a bit and found hide just not reliable enough. I ended up using Taper Enchantment all the time even on the DE.

I'll admit I have to use it a few times to break charm but often enough it works the first or second time. I also like being able to IVU then hide and sit peacefully where ever I need to.

[Ceelow]

is orc scalp xp good?@level 12?

[Malone88]

I'm level 52 and have never summoned a single animation..
Word.

Only used animation for farming greenies. Too lazy to run to Highkeep to buy pet spells I guess. Best to get your charm tactics down with low-level mobs, because at higher levels you will be expected to have them mastered.