Annual or Biannual Plat Poof

[rixardion]

We all know the flaws of the game. Eq has been around for quite a while now. A big problem with any aging server or economy is inflation.

I recently read a thread about the high cost of player sold items for a new player. I couldn't agree more. The fact is, any item costing over 10-20k is a little bit absurd when you consider vendoring prices.

To be clear, I'm not complaining about prices because I can't afford them. I do fine for myself.

This is a serious post about a very real problem.

Also, though the staff has taken great steps to curb it, RMT has already done damage to the economy. One only need to sit in EC for a minute to see that.

This problem can only get worse, so, as a possible solution, instead of a server wipe which some have suggested, I propose a complete player money wipe.

The way the economy is going is making this server more and more inhospitable to newcomers and making a sum of 100pp a trivial or inconsequential amount.

I would like all of you classic players to ask yourself if the costs on this server are anywhere near what they were on live during this time, and think before you respond out of defense of your savings. Though you may be rich now, it will not take long to get back to your current state when all inflation is removed.

Ask not what your server can do for you, but what you can do for your server.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

You gon' get graped.

[arsenalpow]

Sink my money into merchant bought gems, profit

[joejccva71]

I'm brand new to P99 and it seems like alot of stuff is very expensive, even for just low gear. My options are either get a lucky drop or farm bone chips for quite a while to be able to afford just 1 item that's sold at EC. lol

[Porcoa]

It seems to me everyone is complaining about not having sweet loot when they are level 20-30. I didn't have shit back when I played lived, except a few items people gave me. Everyone is complaining that people who have high end items are greedy, when in reality they have been playing this for years and earned what they have. Everyone wanting resets or bitching about items prices seem to be the greedy ones. You all want something for near nothing.

[Spitty]

This is insurmountably stupid. Because of that, no amount of discussion is going to force this to happen.

[Tecmos Deception]

I'm brand new to P99 and it seems like alot of stuff is very expensive, even for just low gear. My options are either get a lucky drop or farm bone chips for quite a while to be able to afford just 1 item that's sold at EC. lol

This isn't WoW. In EQ, you level up and then you get better gear; you don't need/get better gear so that you can manage to level.

[joejccva71]

This isn't WoW. In EQ, you level up and then you get better gear; you don't need/get better gear so that you can manage to level.

No one compared it to WoW. I played EQ when it first released, I know how it works. I was just responding to the OP.

[Asap]

The problem for new people is the amount of twinks present on this server. They group with people who have 100k+ worth of gear, meanwhile they are wearing banded and swinging a green jade broadsword.

But, this is what happens when you show up late in the game.

[Tecmos Deception]

No one compared it to WoW. I played EQ when it first released, I know how it works. I was just responding to the OP.

Maybe you didn't mean to, but you really were.

Modern MMOs require you to have a certain quality of gear to play the game, because gear is like 3/4 or more of what makes your character effective. But that's not how it works in EQ, which is why it is silly when new players complain about how they can't afford to buy gear in EC unless they spend hours farming pelts or bone chips or whatever.

I die a little bit inside every time I see some level 25 caster spending hours in EC trying to find a deal on a spirit tome or some shit instead of being out there playing the game.

[rixardion]

This post is purely about currency inflation, please keep talk of items or twinking to a minimum.

[joejccva71]

Maybe you didn't mean to, but you really were.

Modern MMOs require you to have a certain quality of gear to play the game, because gear is like 3/4 or more of what makes your character effective. But that's not how it works in EQ

????

What? Twinking IS effective in EQ. Please explain your response.

[Tecmos Deception]

????

What? Twinking IS effective in EQ. Please explain your response.

I didn't say twinking wasn't effective in EQ. I said that gearing up is REQUIRED in modern MMOs, and people seem to forget that is not the case in EQ.

It's silly to be hung up over the price of gear in EC because you don't need any of the gear from EC to play the game.

[Nocte]

Sink my money into merchant bought gems, profit

4 minutes after OP made this post, the concept of a plat wipe was destroyed.

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[skipdog]

Maybe you're missing the fact that high end items costing a lot means when you win a roll on that nice item, you sell it for a lot. So yeah, the server has been around for quite some time and there is certainly far more plat on the server than there was at this point in Live. The thing is though... it doesn't matter. It's all relative. As the value of items goes up, player's average incomes go up. You can make far more plat on here with your time than you could at this point in time on live. It still seems that the low-end gear is appropriately priced and sure, 100pp isn't going to matter to those with much more wealth. It will matter to those who needs a suit of bronze. It's the law of diminishing marginal utility and you can't stop that train!!

[Spitty]

This post is purely about currency inflation, please keep talk of items or twinking to a minimum.

Insurmountably stupid.

Man, I like that word. I think it was concocted for this very thread on this very subject.

[Tecmos Deception]

Sink my money into merchant bought gems, profit

Stones of jordan for currency instead of plat!

[Sgt1stClassPerkerwood]

This is a great thread. I agree 100%. All my level 12 chars dont have fungis and thats just wrong. Server wipe should take care of that

[Reguiy]

I like your style, OP.

[Tecmos Deception]

Fine. Destroy all the plat today. I'm sure all of us dudes with fungis sitting around collecting dust will be happy to sell them to you for 500pp a week from now.

[jaybone]

look another thread about plat and RMT and tecmos is in the thread.

[Spitty]

look another thread about plat and RMT and tecmos is in the thread.

Look, another insurmountably retarded comment and jaybone is the author.

I really like this word today.

[Tecmos Deception]

You got me, jaybone. I photoshopped all those screenshots and FRAPs of me farming plat over the last year as a cover for all the usd I spent on RMT.

[jaybone]

You got me, jaybone. I photoshopped all those screenshots and FRAPs of me farming plat over the last year as a cover for all the usd I spent on RMT.

who ever said you bought plat??

[myriverse]

Anal or Bi Poof... what?

[Spitty]

who ever said you bought plat??

Considering the high-dollar items he's publicly bought over the last, oh, six months, that would be the only logical conclusion (if there is one at all) to draw from your insurmountably retarded post.

Or are you going off on someone that you know absolutely nothing about? Surely you can't be that insurmountably retarded.

Fucking idiot.

[Tecmos Deception]

Lol.

[doeda]

step 1. make friends
step 2. go kill things
step 3. roll in loots
or skip steps 1-3 and roll enchanter

[Tecmos Deception]

step 1. make friends
step 2. go kill things
step 3. roll in loots
or skip steps 1-3 and roll enchanter

Chanters don't even have to kill things anymore. Can sell chardok proxy spots for 4k/hour minimum. I doubt I have averaged that much plat farming drops, especially when I think about the time I've sat in EC and reading these god-forsaken forums while trying to sell the loot.

[drktmplr12]

meanwhile they are wearing banded and swinging a green jade broadsword.

first world problem. they should be happy to have that GJBS.

[Reguiy]

step 1. make friends
step 2. go kill things
step 3. roll in loots
or skip steps 1-3 and roll enchanter

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

I'm brand new to P99 and it seems like alot of stuff is very expensive, even for just low gear. My options are either get a lucky drop or farm bone chips for quite a while to be able to afford just 1 item that's sold at EC. lol

- You will have people who are going to give you stuff.
- If you're playing a melee character you've been warned it will be difficult to gear up at first.
- Gear is not really required to progress. It makes it faster but not super necessary.

In addition there are paths you can take, incremental steps if you will, that bridge the gap between bone chips and fungus tunics. No one was rich on day one and if you spend your time learning about appropriate classes and free things, you will find a way to gear out at a good pace.

[Tecmos Deception]

step 1. make friends
step 2. go kill things
step 3. roll in loots
or skip steps 1-3 and roll enchanter

This is the correct answer for the thread asking for a new server with boxing, also. Chanters ftw.

[Daldaen]

What happens when as chest said, people but 20000 rubies before this happens? Then just liquidate after and have 90% of your original platinum?

No plat wipe or shit will work. We would need a money sink to combat inflation. EQ did that in a few ways:

1. Mounts in Luclin - Cost 10k for cheap, much more for faster ones.
2. Casino in GoD - people threw away millions trying to get a guise.
3. Qvic armor in GoD - it cost 10.5k a pop to make this armor. With the rate it was obtainable (6 or 12 hour respawn Mshas) this ate up people's platinum quick.
4. Augment distillers / potions / armor creation / corpse summons / mercenaries in modern EQ - changing around augments costed you a lot.

On here though. There are a few quests that take platinum from you. JBoots, a few epics and sol temple armors. Velious will have Lodi shield and a few others that eat platinum.

But beyond that, tradeskilling (blacksmithing/Jewelcrafting are the main vendor bought ones that can eat plat) although TS are useless pre Luclin, reagents for symbol/rune/corpse summon/planar ports. Classic just didn't have enough plat sinks built in for regular gameplay to take plat out of circulation.

Which either means we say... It's classic ergo not an issue, or we implement a non-classic money sink.

[drktmplr12]

I die a little bit inside every time I see some level 25 caster spending hours in EC trying to find a deal on a spirit tome or some shit instead of being out there playing the game.

but 6 wis/int is going to make my character so much better.......:rolleyes:

agree with this 100%, don't know why people think these items will make or break your experience. the certainly dont warrant standing around in EC for longer than 2 minutes.

there is nothing wrong with the system as it is. sorry if its too hard to get full cultural sets or whatever people imagine they should have. Want easy gear that is stupid good? play live and wear defiant gear.

[Teppler]

OP, unless you have millions of plat then your idea is extremely self serving. People who haven't spent their times wisely earning plat all stand to gain and it invalidates people who spent hours working for their moneyz.

Now as long as you admit that, fine. What do you say to the person who just spent weeks, hours a day, building up 100k then there's a money wipe next week?

[joejccva71]

The word for today is: insurmountably

Use it....oh wait..

[Tecmos Deception]

I'm actually indifferent to the idea of wiping all plat now, lol, just because I'd be amused to see how it played out. I mean, do you think people are going to start selling high-end items like hieros and stuff for only a few k suddenly just because there is no pp? Do you think people will stop farming items just because they can't sell them for platinum in the immediate future? Do you think low players will really be better off when people are vendoring class armor drops and stuff because they are so hard up for peridot and recharge plat instead of giving the stuff to new players?

Can you even begin to imagine the OOT, rathe mountain, east karana, etc. R&F drama when people flood those zones trying to create new platinum? Lol.

[Spitty]

I've used it three or four times in person so far today.

I'm not sure what this means. It may be that my infatuation with the word is the thing that is insurmountable.

[joejccva71]

I've used it three or four times in person so far today.

I'm not sure what this means. It may be that my infatuation with the word is the thing that is insurmountable.
.
It's an epic word, just wanted to point that out was all.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

55+ spells and droppable BIS are the only things priced out of range and even that is debatable. Everything else is valued somewhat appropriately and will continue to be so IMO.

Though everything likely has upwards inflationary pressure on it you will find that the vast majority of non-bis equipment is both very close to live pricing and quite affordable once you attain the level you would have gotten it on live.

[myriverse]

Insurmountable
And the newest gnome warrior was born...

[Tecmos Deception]

Wipe it clean! I want to see the server with no platinum. I don't even care that I'll be losing ~600k if they do it right now. This will be fun!

You won me over OP!

[Spitty]

If I wasn't miles away from my EQ box, that would be an instant new character in my list.

I'd even use some of my grossly inflated platinum to pay for a PL to 20 just so I could be Insurmountable Inconceivable.

http://www.expertcomics.com/enr//wp-content/uploads/2012/07/shawn_wallace_the_princess_bride_45118l.jpg

[Erati]

on live my first magic item besides the 5 mana jewel craft rings wasn't acquired til lvl 30....

an oracle robe !

[Daldaen]

A no platinum server would be entertaining. Bartering ftw.

To copy off Eratani; my first magic item was a Combine Scimitar some random guy have me in Unrest at level 20 or so. Meleeing ghouls when half the group couldn't? Hell yes.

How often do you find people on this server who have to run away from a ghoul because all their swings are met with INVULNERABLE messages?

[Wrench]

Look, another insurmountably retarded comment and jaybone is the author.

I really like this word today.

is it a guild requirement that to be in the a-team you have to be a forum troll? seems there's a lot of you on here

perhaps its part of that whole 'doing more with less' thing

[Tecmos Deception]

is it a guild requirement that to be in the a-team you have to be a forum troll? seems there's a lot of you on here

perhaps its part of that whole 'doing more with less' thing

We aren't trolling. There are just a lot of us (not drumas, of course) in the guild who put a lot of thought and effort into accomplishing what we have on the server, so threads about deleting all of our hard-earned plat or wiping the server or whining about how every level 20 melee can't afford a fungi (or specifically in jaybone's case, insinuating that I RMTed to get my wealth on the server) tend to agitate some of us.

But that said, WIPE THE PLAT!

[Wrench]

We aren't trolling. There are just a lot of us (not drumas, of course) in the guild who put a lot of thought and effort into accomplishing what we have on the server, so threads about deleting all of our hard-earned plat or wiping the server or whining about how every level 20 melee can't afford a fungi tend to agitate some of us.

But that said, WIPE THE PLAT!

pfff, threads stupid

you dont need to run in here and defend against a server wipe of plat, it aint happening

but proportionally, for a guild, there seem to be more a-team members that feel the need to comment on every subject, and in the most obnoxious way possible

[Tecmos Deception]

pfff, threads stupid

you dont need to run in here and defend against a server wipe of plat, it aint happening

but proportionally, for a guild, there seem to be more a-team members that feel the need to comment on every subject, and in the most obnoxious way possible

Commenting on things in a forum? Madness!

[Spitty]

pfff, threads stupid

you dont need to run in here and defend against a server wipe of plat, it aint happening

but proportionally, for a guild, there seem to be more a-team members that feel the need to comment on every subject, and in the most obnoxious way possible

You make it really difficult to maintain a positive demeanor when you come in here blasting us for calling this out as a stupid idea, and then doing the exact same thing yourself.

The quote of mine in your post above? That was my response to someone blasting a guild-mate out of the blue. And I'm the bad guy?

Your confirmation bias is certainly showing. Good day to you.

[Nikon]

We aren't trolling. There are just a lot of us (not drumas, of course) in the guild who put a lot of thought and effort into accomplishing what we have on the server, so threads about deleting all of our hard-earned plat or wiping the server or whining about how every level 20 melee can't afford a fungi (or specifically in jaybone's case, insinuating that I RMTed to get my wealth on the server) tend to agitate some of us.

But that said, WIPE THE PLAT!

Almost all of us that have been here for a couple years+ started with nothing and leveled our first characters with whatever we could scrounge up. I don't think I bought a piece of gear on my first character until into my 20's and it was maybe 100pp. If you don't have that kind of money by your mid-late 20's, you're doing it wrong. You have to put in the work farming bone chips, light stones, spiderling silk, pelts, etc. You won't get rich off it but it works great for starting out at the lower levels to get spells and gear upgrades and then you just need to level. Hell, most people give away items worth 200pp+ if you're in EC long enough. It just seems like a lot of low level complaints lately about not getting gear ... socialist 'merica mentality anyone?

[doeda]

pfff, threads stupid

you dont need to run in here and defend against a server wipe of plat, it aint happening

but proportionally, for a guild, there seem to be more a-team members that feel the need to comment on every subject, and in the most obnoxious way possible

these guys are awesome, keeps the forums alive while i watch movies and sell ports!

[joejccva71]

pfff, threads insurmountably stupid

you dont need to run in here and defend against a server wipe of plat, it aint happening

but proportionally, for a guild, there seem to be more a-team members that feel the need to comment on every subject, and in the most obnoxious way possible

Fixed it for you. Sorry I couldn't resist. :P

[Reguiy]

Man, people get way too sensitive when you suggest taking away their pixels. Breathe. Your hundreds of thousandsof platinum will still be there when you log on tomorrow.

[Spitty]

Fixed it for you. Sorry I couldn't resist. :P

I think this is the beginning of a wonderful friendship.

[myxomatosii]

Sink my money into merchant bought gems, profit

Merchant wipe, delete all merchants.

I'm brand new to P99 and it seems like alot of stuff is very expensive, even for just low gear. My options are either get a lucky drop or farm bone chips for quite a while to be able to afford just 1 item that's sold at EC. lol

Bone chips inflated IMO. Ban for bone chip laundering. Then delete all bone chips.

It seems to me everyone is complaining about not having sweet loot when they are level 20-30. I didn't have shit back when I played live, except a few items people gave me. Everyone is complaining that people who have high end items are greedy, when in reality they have been playing this for years and earned what they have. Everyone wanting resets or bitching about items prices seem to be the greedy ones. You all want something for near nothing.

Shits classic. Listen to this gnome.

This is insurmountably stupid. Because of that, no amount of discussion is going to force this to happen.

Insurmountably.

The problem for new people is the amount of twinks present on this server. They group with people who have 100k+ worth of gear, meanwhile they are wearing banded and swinging a green jade broadsword.

But, this is what happens when you show up late in the game.

I call this "poor proxy", say you live in a 400k McMansion in Kentucky. Badass!

Now move same McMansion to Dubais. Wtf I'm so poor! I Demand equality!

Maybe you're missing the fact that high end items costing a lot means when you win a roll on that nice item, you sell it for a lot. So yeah, the server has been around for quite some time and there is certainly far more plat on the server than there was at this point in Live. The thing is though... it doesn't matter. It's all relative. As the value of items goes up, player's average incomes go up. You can make far more plat on here with your time than you could at this point in time on live. It still seems that the low-end gear is appropriately priced and sure, 100pp isn't going to matter to those with much more wealth. It will matter to those who needs a suit of bronze. It's the law of diminishing marginal utility and you can't stop that train!!

Fuck bitches, get levels. Delete all bitches.

step 1. make friends
step 2. go kill things
step 3. roll in loots
or skip steps 1-3 and roll enchanter

Dis.

first world problem. they should be happy to have that GJBS.

- You will have people who are going to give you stuff.
- If you're playing a melee character you've been warned it will be difficult to gear up at first.
- Gear is not really required to progress. It makes it faster but not super necessary.

In addition there are paths you can take, incremental steps if you will, that bridge the gap between bone chips and fungus tunics. No one was rich on day one and if you spend your time learning about appropriate classes and free things, you will find a way to gear out at a good pace.

Ceremonial Iksar for example.

on live my first magic item besides the 5 mana jewel craft rings wasn't acquired til lvl 30....

an oracle robe !

[Tecmos Deception]

Man, people get way too sensitive when you suggest taking away their pixels. Breathe. Your hundreds of thousandsof platinum will still be there when you log on tomorrow.

I changed my tune! I want to see the server with no plat. I won't even spend the liquid plat I have on items before they do it.

[Portasaurus]

It's silly to be hung up over the price of gear in EC because you don't need any of the gear from EC to play the game.

I can attest to this fact. I wear an intestine necklace (because intestines LOL) and a scarab hat (because it looks badass) and I'm pretty sure I have 5-6 completely empty slots (because FUCKIT).

But I can still roam around and kill things and have as much fun as the next guy. I'm admittedly not very good at the game compared to a lot of you, but I'm enjoying myself regardless of how fucked up the economy is.

In all seriousness, cheating/duping/RMTing/monopolization (whatever you think is behind the mega-inflation) is not too dissimilar from the activities of RL stock brokers, banks, insurance companies and large corporations in our own capitalistic economies. Humanity has pretty much proven that if we can cheat and monopolize something, we will cheat and monopolize said something.

In other words: shit's way fucked in the real life economy, which is run by humans. Why is anybody surprised that this virtual economy (also run by humans) is just as fucked? Life is full of unfair bullshit. Those who got there first typically win (old-money) and it's REALLY tough to break the white-knuckle hold on that kind of power.

Welcome to Earth.

[koros]

This is dumb. When a server is new you can spend 400pp buying an 8/28 from guk, vs spending 150pp now and getting a 10/22. Inflation exists, be happy you can get top notch Kunark gear for a pittance. The differences between pretty good gear and top end gear is tiny (except for maybe fungii)

[Asap]

I'm curious how many fungi tunics are currently on the server. I remember Jeremy selling 2 per week a year or so ago. With invis pulling fixed, im sure farming slowed down a little?

[Reguiy]

I'm curious how many fungi tunics are currently on the server. I remember Jeremy selling 2 per week a year or so ago. With invis pulling fixed, im sure farming slowed down a little?

About 90-95k. Farming slowed down a tad, but there were people who hoarded tons of them, so the supply is basically the same.

[Tecmos Deception]

He wondered how many there are, not how much they cost :)

[Reguiy]

Oh...A LOT!

[Vexenu]

I can sort of understand the frustrations of new players, who zone into EC and can't find a single item for sale under 50-100pp. That seems like a ridiculous amount when you're literally saving every copper. The thing is, though, you really don't need much to level. Pretty much every melee class can get a Kunark weapon that is better than anything that existed in classic for under 200pp or so (the best example is Monks and the Wu's Quivering Staff. 150pp or less for a 23/28 ratio? That's just insane value). And casters don't benefit much from expensive gear anyway, beyond some basic hp/mana items. Also, if you're a new player and people see you making an honest effort instead of standing around begging, it's more than likely they will straight up GIVE you multiple items anyway. I've given away thousands of plat worth of gear and I'm definitely not alone in that regard.

So basically, the answer is to stop concerning yourself with prices in EC and just play the damned game. You will be surprised how quickly you find yourself geared if you just do three things:

1) Level
2) Have a positive attitude
3) Make friends

[Daldaen]

As is well put earlier the mid level stuff doesn't get sold because it isn't worth it.

Minotaur axes, tentacle whips, gnoll lariats, splitpaw hide, ring mail/bronze, etc... Just don't get sold that often.

Partially due to the fact people are spending more time leveling/grinding and less exploring. You out level gear pretty quickly and selling something for 10PP when you could group a bit and sell 2 fine steel weapons for the same isn't all that attractive.

Also it's due to people giving away better stuff. Why would you pay 15 plat for a T Whip when you someone may just give you a Yak Club for free?

For me, if someone is paying less than 50 plat for a port or item, they need the plat more than I do and I'd be more inclined to give it away rather than try to sell it.

[drktmplr12]

I can concur with the sentiment of not sitting around EC and expecting handouts.

If you stand in front of neriak in nektulos, you will see two types of people:
1. Beelines to EC
2. Stands there a moment and wonders where the hell to go.

It's pretty clear who is who. If you just get out and play, people will be generous. I know I am when I see a genuinely new player. I keep items in my bank for just such an occasion.

So basically, the answer is to stop concerning yourself with prices in EC and just play the damned game. You will be surprised how quickly you find yourself geared if you just do three things:

1) Level
2) Have a positive attitude
3) Make friends

[Rzaa]

Nybright Sisters in LFay. lvls 12-20 there and you will have 2k+ plat. Now stop crying and go play!

[Dweed]

If you aren't high enough to camp for it, don't expect it.

[rixardion]

I like the merchant idea, but it's just not encompassing enough as players would have to voluntarily buy from them.

Try to think of item vendoring as minimum wage.

Despite some valid points, you can't argue that this would not be good for the server overall.

As someone posted earlier, try to remember that everything is relative in price. The only thing that will not change is the base wage (item vendoring).

The fact is, something like this is inevitable, and I for one would rather not see the community split between multiple servers.

[Pint]

Show me where to buy guise of the deceivers and you can have all of my platinum today

[Tecmos Deception]

I like the merchant idea, but it's just not encompassing enough as players would have to voluntarily buy from them.

Try to think of item vendoring as minimum wage.

Despite some valid points, you can't argue that this would not be good for the server overall.

As someone posted earlier, try to remember that everything is relative in price. The only thing that will not change is the base wage (item vendoring).

The fact is, something like this is inevitable, and I for one would rather not see the community split between multiple servers.

Give me a one-sentence explanation of why you think we need this, anyway. Your original post just vaguely hints at inflation and RMT somehow making life hard for noobies or something without ever really explaining the how or the why. Only a few classes need gear in order to level to 50+, so even if the economy is so ridiculous that new players cannot afford to buy a single thing in EC, they still could just level to 50+ wearing cloth and random tidbits they find along the way, and then win items at decent camps in a small group and sell the item for a boatload of PP and THEN buy gear.

[Vetiver]

Give me a one-sentence explanation of why you think we need this, anyway. Your original post just vaguely hints at inflation and RMT somehow making life hard for noobies or something without ever really explaining the how or the why. Only a few classes need gear in order to level to 50+, so even if the economy is so ridiculous that new players cannot afford to buy a single thing in EC, they still could just level to 50+ wearing cloth and random tidbits they find along the way, and then win items at decent camps in a small group and sell the item for a boatload of PP and THEN buy gear.

I'm so happy you cleared up how the game works. I was totally confused for a minute. ::D

[Lord_Snow]

I thought this was a group oriented game where your group helps you get loot and visa versa. Is it a lack of research on where items drop? This is a more socially demanding game, are you not making friends to help you get groups faster? These are some things you should look at. EQ is not a user friendly game. I'm not trying to be mean, I have helped my fair share and continue to, but those I've helped are honestly gettin theirs on their own. You can't be uber in a month as a newb to the server..wel you can if you know what you're doin. Its not your current run of the mill mmo this game takes actual dedication and time.

[Marglar]

I made ~3100pp by the time I was 27 on my warrior. this has allowed me to buy a lamentation, an hp ring (someone gave me another hp ring), bronze from vendors etc. someone else hooked me up with a handful of other pieces, too (cobalt gloves/boots, jarsath trident, staff of battle, jagged war sword!). between friendly, helpful players and putting my nose to the grind stone in areas that produce good platinum for lower levels, I'm doing pretty well despite the economy.

the economy is a little intimidating price wise, but like the aforementioned said.. group in places that drop things, win loot, sell loot, buy loot. it will work itself out eventually. sorry it might take a little longer than it took on live to acquire things, but it is by no means broken or undoable.

this will also motivate you to figure out quests and drops you can do on your own without using EC as the way to gear yourself! I'm able to do some of the crafted quests here shortly, I've camped the bracer of erollisi, I'm not too far away from being able to do the hero bracer quest. the tough part is getting to 35+ when a lot of doors start opening up, just gotta stick with it.

[Daysprung]

This is a great thread. I agree 100%. All my level 12 chars dont have fungis and thats just wrong. Server wipe should take care of that

If you think about it...at a rate of 1.5 Fungi drops a day on average, there should be nearly 700-1000 fungi's out there...and I think that's being on the conservative side.

[Xelris]

My enchanter on live wore a (donated) green silken drape until 53 when I wrestled a Siren Scale robe off some jackass mob in Charasis.

I had epic at 55. I would have looked pretty ridiculous if that hadn't dropped.

[baalzy]

My enchanter on live wore a (donated) green silken drape until 53 when I wrestled a Siren Scale robe off some jackass mob in Charasis.

I had epic at 55. I would have looked pretty ridiculous if that hadn't dropped.

I wore small cloth on my (first) necro till like 35 after I'd spent a bunch of time murdering asslings & selling their stuff back to them (<3 bandage quest). Thats when I finally upgraded and go jewelery & magical robes/int boosting stuff. Even then I think I only spent like 1.5-2k on all those upgrades and just kept hording the rest cause I really didn't need any gear.

Look at my 57 necro now and hes wearing a hobbled collection of no drop stuff & strength jewelry because all I do is farm on him & desperately hope to get into a chardok aoe so I can pull.

[NextGenesis88]

Every time I make a new character I get hooked up when I am not even trying... just play the game and things work out just fine. You can get good money mid teens or so in HH with shralok packs, idols, scalps or can even farm a runed bone fork and sell for 400-600pp in uguk. There are ways once you get over it and level a bit. I can't see how they could punish the people who legitimately got their money because of the people who have gotten involved in RMT.

Everyone else gets money and makes it in this game, why can't newbies? They also started out that way and made it up there. I think people feel like they need to constantly shop for their stuff too often. It is possible to get things the normal way along with leveling and questing.

[webrunner5]

I played on here for a year 4 years ago and never had shit plat wise till I leveled up a Druid. I bet it made 500k in 7 or 8 months just Porting, Pling, not counting loots. I sure as hell never had 500k plat on live in a year and a half in 2000.

You need to get off your butt and do it, not complain about it. Or play a Necro, Mage. They don't really need ANY gear, even at level 60. You have to level a toon to 50 or above to even get into zones that have loot worth a crap to sell plat wise. Or at the least 46 to go to Planes to loot.

Sitting in the tunnel begging for gear and some plat is damned gay to me. Go level and loot along the way. It ALL adds up, even Copper.

[Ajkuhuun]

I'm a fairly new player, my main is only level 22 due to my own time restraints, but I have no problem farming bone chips...silks...etc and hoofing my scaley ass over to ec from Kunark to sell because that's how I remember the low levels in EQ being back when I started. Honestly the high prices don't bother me because it's the norm. I came from a server where RMT was plain horrible, and yeah inflation happened but that's sort of parallel to the real eq experience. If I wanted the easy route, I'd go back to wow or let's face it...even EQ live :p

[Spitty]

Despite some valid points, you can't argue that this would not be good for the server overall.

As someone posted earlier, try to remember that everything is relative in price. The only thing that will not change is the base wage (item vendoring).

The fact is, something like this is inevitable, and I for one would rather not see the community split between multiple servers.

You clearly haven't thought this through beyond your initial 'eureka' moment. It is not a good idea, it is not inevitable and you sorely need to develop the ability to see beyond your own thought bubble and objectively assess your proposal.

It has already been illustrated in this thread that there's an immediate workaround - gems. So, any advanced warning of such a purge would result in a massive stockpiling of vendor-friendly gems, reagents, tradeskill components and the like. Those that know the trade-in values well enough to pick the best buy/sell ratio would have an advantage, and those that either couldn't prepare for the purge or were unaware it was happening would be at a severe economic disadvantage through no fault of their own.

So, the only way to implement this is to make it random. This would only work the first time, since after the first purge I can guarantee most people would get into the habit of converting saved coins into stackable gems and holding them on as many alts as necessary; preparations for the next purge. Again, a very unfair advantage/disadvantage situation is artificially introduced into the economy.

Now, lets assess that first purge. You seem to be under the impression that it would effect everyone equally - this is absolutely not the case. Those with existing stockpiles of gems and tradeskill components instantly have massive leverage over the economy as they become the initial currency injection points and can arbitrarily determine item value based on their whims. This is incredibly destabilizing, and is a far, far worse situation than our current one.

Items that currently are low value and high supply would instantly become worthless except for their vendor value. A person handing out tranquil canes for free would likely rethink that and get the ~150pp value from a vendor instead, which directly negates the point that this kind of purge would be beneficial to the "poor" on this server. It won't, and thus you have another group that is disproportionately affected by this purge.

Finally, those with low platinum reserves but have high-value items would (a) hardly be affected by this, and (b) would directly control the economy in an even more powerful capacity than they do now. Want a fungi from me? Fine, it's 100k still. Who says I need to sell it to you for 20k just because now people have to farm plat 24/7 to kickstart the economy again? Oh, you don't have 100k? Well, go farm Seafuries for the next two months because all of the mid-level gear you would have sold to make up the difference is now completely worthless.

I could go on, but I think I've said enough. It's a horrifically poor idea that's completely unfounded, based on shill economics and I think your best bet is to concede and bow out at this point. It. Won't. Happen.

[Tecmos Deception]

Have my babies, spitty!

[webrunner5]

Have my babies, spitty!

According to Spitty it would probably be Insurmountable Inconceivable to conceive on your part. :D

[Naerron]

I'm brand new to P99 and it seems like alot of stuff is very expensive, even for just low gear. My options are either get a lucky drop or farm bone chips for quite a while to be able to afford just 1 item that's sold at EC. lol

welcome to classic EQ, exactly how it was when i started. I remember being lvl 40s in some bronze still. THe facts are people are so much better geared here for their level than on live. I doubt there is 1 player who has leveled on p99 from 1-60 that has not be given at least a few items by random players. Decent items at that. Now, when i was on live it was not like that at all. For almost everything i had on live i farmed tons of small times or got lucky on a drop until i started raiding and using DKP.

[Pint]

I wonder what currency people would use to buy pixels if all the platinum were to disappear over night...

[Portasaurus]

I wonder what currency people would use to buy pixels if all the platinum were to disappear over night...

MEAT

[titanshub]

MEAT

A meat based economy makes a lot of sense. Inflation could be controlled through metabolism.

[jaybone]

welcome to classic EQ, exactly how it was when i started. I remember being lvl 40s in some bronze still. THe facts are people are so much better geared here for their level than on live. I doubt there is 1 player who has leveled on p99 from 1-60 that has not be given at least a few items by random players. Decent items at that. Now, when i was on live it was not like that at all. For almost everything i had on live i farmed tons of small times or got lucky on a drop until i started raiding and using DKP.
3 years kunark brah

[SteeleGaming]

Coming from someone who just started on the server a couple days ago...

The only problem I've experienced is that some groups of twinks are far-less-than-willing to take untwinked pepople, specifically melees, into the group if they're trying to level quickly, unless they're getting PL'd by someone.

Not the end of the world. Just sucks that I've found myself having to run a few zones away to a different camp for my level because of it. Saved up enough for a Green Jade Broadsword now, so no one's really going to complain anymore.

The fact that I saved up enough money to buy a Green Jade Broadsword by level 15 kind of completely kills this entire argument though. I wouldn't have had a weapon this good by level 50 starting day 1.

The only "insurmountably" expensive gear is BiS droppables, or I suppose uber twinkie gear like fungi, which is entirely valid in my opinion, because once you have them, you never actually have to buy anything in that slot again.

Long story short, things are fine, just play the game and be happy you can get basic Kunark gear as cheap as you can.

[myxomatosii]

If people are forming twink groups and excluding non-twinks those people are assholes.

I don't care if its someone I've known forever, branded asshole.

Many people take the opposite approach (me).

If I'm on my warrior decked out in whatever I chose to give him and I see a lv 20 caster with no robe I'll group with them intentionally to make it easier on them. Then ask them if any of their friends wanna join.

Priest constantly oom because of low mana due to not having gear suddenly has to heal less. Naked paladin suddenly has to tank less.

Imo that's a way better method to make the community better.

But yeah. You'll encounter pricks. Its hard to live in a basement your whole life and develop a full personality. But some of us manage it.

[Ugrask]

I've personally had a pretty pleasant experience in low levels. Either from being able to afford some decent gear while trying to make up my mind on what to play, or some higher levels buffing people to ease it.

I think my only "negative" experience is lazy assholes farming BB past 20...

[LethalLogic]

Dumb post.

[webrunner5]

I have been playing on here for almost 4 years now and I have NEVER seen a group that did even ask what gear a person had to be invited. And I have 24 alts so I have not lived in a bubble at level 60. Hell I even have a Ranger and not had too many problems getting a group. But he is low level wise so that helps. Saving him for Velious.

[Tecmos Deception]

Priest constantly oom because of low mana due to not having gear suddenly has to heal less. Naked paladin suddenly has to tank less.

To be honest though, his gear has basically nothing to do with being OOM. That's the point I've been trying to make in all these "noobs have it so hard cause we can't afford uberer gear than stuff that is already better than 99% of classic EQ items" threads. All caster gear really does is give you a little more cushion when your group is already doing something wrong, or enable druids/wizards to quad, etc.

Gear makes life easier, for sure. But it is not really necessary at all, at least not to the point that plat inflation on the server is so hard on new players (cause again, it arguably makes their lives much easier) that we should be erasing the efforts of people who have created that plat.

[hikeon3]

Me experience has been pretty opposite. I've had very inexpensive access to a lot of gear which, in classic, was considered mid-tier. Very decent items from CoM/Karnors/Seb are being sold for 50-100p in most cases. My warrior on live didn't see most of that until his 40s/50s.

That being said, I don't ever see myself earning 100k plat to buy a fungi. Ever.

[Wudan]

These threads are just fucking retarded. I started 2 years ago, naked with zero pp. I exped to 60 and farmed/bought what i needed. I suggest you do the same lazy moron. Your logic is so idiotic its hard to believe you actually meant it seriously. Please tell me it was just a troll post...

Wipe pp that people worked hard to get, because you just started and cant afford fbss on lvl1? Gtfo!

[joejccva71]

These threads are just fucking retarded. I started 2 years ago, naked with zero pp. I exped to 60 and farmed/bought what i needed. I suggest you do the same lazy moron. Your logic is so idiotic its hard to believe you actually meant it seriously. Please tell me it was just a troll post...

Wipe pp that people worked hard to get, because you just started and cant afford fbss on lvl1? Gtfo!

This response is insurmountably good.

[MikeXG]

Highest toon is 20, tons between 10 and 20. I've been playing off and on for a few years. I have been lucky enough to get a few hand outs. Collectively between gear and plat I would value my total net worth around 5k. Not a whole hell of a lot. That all said This is the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard. Yes there is inflation, yes things are expensive, but that also means things sell for more when you are selling them! If you need money go get tailoring up a bit, farm bear pelts in karanas or commons even if they are green. get some high qualities and sell a handmade backpack for 60-90 plat. OR get to level 15ish and solo/kill bandits/sisters/other mobs all over norrath around that level that drop bronze weapons selling for 2-6 plat a piece. Or bone chips, Or one of the many other ways to get money.

Am I rich, no. Do I want a ton of stuff i see in /auc when running through Ecommons, yes. Do I love handouts, yea why not?

It is classic EQ play the game, if you want easy mode and free plat go play wow or some other game made for 12 year olds who don't understand basic economics.

I would quit P99 if this is implemented in any way shape or form.


EDIT: if your focus is EXP you won't gain as much money, if your focus is money you can gain it very fast, even below 20 you can get 80 plat in about 30 minutes if your lucky, 60 minutes if your not. Anyone who agrees with the OP is a dumbass. Sorry if I am coming across as rude but really, sorry I'm not sorry. GTFO newb.

[Enxienty]

Theres always people with superior amounts of plat in the game, theres not really any inflation, maybe quite a few because of dupes over the years, but if items are too expensive, you can easily level up and farm those "expensive" items.