Velious beta announced

[Oogei]

Ah ya

[Tecmos Deception]

P99 also gone pay to win, it looks like.

[Oogei]

Why so negative ;(

[Tecmos Deception]

I should be excited about Velious atm. I'm not :(

[Daldaen]

Pics or didn't happen.

[heartbrand]

If you lookin for early access join red dawn on red I'll take care of it np

[Frick]

What's $500 ?!

[Oogei]

It happened

[Raden]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdedsqeVzU1qay91ko1_400.jpg

[Swish]

Nothing game breaking in those XP pots, normally I'd hate the idea but its for a good cause.

[Tecmos Deception]

Oh well. Going to bed. Maybe I'll be less depressed about fungus staves for USD in the morning.

[Oogei]

Nothing game breaking in those XP pots, normally I'd hate the idea but its for a good cause.

I agree

[Somekid123]

^ Didn't listen to stream. In the 6-7 replys in this thread am I taking away that if you donate you get XP Pots? Please god no! Tell me im wrong!

If so I hope theyre No Drop.

[Oogei]

^ Didn't listen to stream. In the 6-7 replys in this thread am I taking away that if you donate you get XP Pots? Please god no! Tell me im wrong!

It's true however , and for the cause I don't see it as a bad thing

- details will be available tonight or tomorrow

[Tecmos Deception]

^ Didn't listen to stream. In the 6-7 replys in this thread am I taking away that if you donate you get XP Pots? Please god no! Tell me im wrong!

If so I hope theyre No Drop.

They specifically said the pots would be tradeable. And the pots aren't all you can win by donating to pantheon kickstarter.

[Pheer]

How many forumquesters going to drop a stack for that black forum name? Cant wait to see the first RNF poster that drops a grand for it and starts acting like theyre darth vader

[Swish]

Server is getting a week's worth of 50% XP per $10k donated (up to 4 weeks) by the P99 community (use P99_yourcharname_blue/red on kickstarter) as well, so everyone will benefit.

[Cyrano]

Did they actually give a date or timeframe for velious beta?

[Furniture]

Its only for donating to pantheon for the remainder of the kickstarter campaign which is another 20 days. This is a good idea and if your upset that for 20 days somebody can get a 50% exp potion that lasts an hour if they donate to pantheon then you need to take a break from everquest.

[Swish]

How many forumquesters going to drop a stack for that black forum name? Cant wait to see the first RNF poster that drops a grand for it and starts acting like theyre darth vader

Personally I'd drop big $$$ to have my gif signature space back :D

[Lune]

XP pots

a-are you talking about p99? is it april 1st already?

[Furniture]

Did they actually give a date or timeframe for velious beta?

They said sometime this month

[shams]

Not to be one of those guys that moans and complains about the economy, but... I worry what tradeable xp pots will do.

[Swish]

a-are you talking about p99? is it april 1st already?

Yeah 90 min 50% XP pots for people who donate to the Pantheon kickstarter, nothing huge.

[Oogei]

Its only for donating to pantheon for the remainder of the kickstarter campaign which is another 20 days. This is a good idea and if your upset that for 20 days somebody can get a 50% exp potion that lasts an hour if they donate to pantheon then you need to take a break from everquest.

This

[Swish]

Not to be one of those guys that moans and complains about the economy, but... I worry what tradeable xp pots will do.

Really though? There'll be loads and all you really get is 90 minutes of XP for 60 minutes play time.

If people wanna trade me a fungi for mine, sure...

Lets not even talk about the Chardok AOE setup :p (pay plat for fast xp)

[shams]

Ahhh ok, I was assuming the xp pots would have a much longer duration. 90 mins isn't so bad.

[Swish]

Ahhh ok, I was assuming the xp pots would have a much longer duration. 90 mins isn't so bad.

The server will get a week's bonus 50% XP per $10k donated from P99'ers, that's a bigger deal and everyone can enjoy it.

[heartbrand]

God can't wait for my black forum name. Does it come with immunity from ambrotos forum bans?

[Byrjun]

I should be excited about Velious atm. I'm not :(

Yeah, if someone told me earlier today that I would be really sad to hear news about Velious, I would laugh at them. But it happened.

When they said you could buy early access to Velious, I was like "well, I guess I'm gonna have to donate $10 for that." But then they revealed that you have to shell out $100-$500 for that... I can't believe it.

No disrespect to the staff at all but I really don't like this at all. Let people donate to Pantheon if they want to, promote it all over the front page, but giving P99 advantages/rewards for real life $$ isn't fun.

[Lune]

Well now that we've broached the subject, I'll donate $1k to Pantheon for an Iksar Egg on my ranger, along with the titile "the Staunch Environmentalist"

no big deal, rite? just some cosmetics

[pharmakos]

I should be excited about Velious atm. I'm not :(

you're gonna have solo Siren's Grotto farming on lockdown tho

[heartbrand]

Are raid mobs up during early access?

[Ceelow]

deelteedted

[Anderdale]

Donating big money for a guise

[Pheer]

inb4 "WTS lodizal shell shield" at the docks in NRO on day one of velious official launch

[jaybone]

Are raid mobs up during early access?

no

[Lune]

inb4 "WTS lodizal shell shield" at the docks in NRO on day one of velious official launch

http://i.imgur.com/w8HwqKm.gif

[Swish]

Yeah, if someone told me earlier today that I would be really sad to hear news about Velious, I would laugh at them. But it happened.

When they said you could buy early access to Velious, I was like "well, I guess I'm gonna have to donate $10 for that." But then they revealed that you have to shell out $100-$500 for that... I can't believe it.

No disrespect to the staff at all but I really don't like this at all. Let people donate to Pantheon if they want to, promote it all over the front page, but giving P99 advantages/rewards for real life $$ isn't fun.

Want access to Velious? Log into PEQ or Hidden Forest and explore, I can't think they'd launch Velious a week early for a select few, maybe the beta but not the launch.

[heartbrand]

But what is considered a raid mob? Will halls of testing trash be up for farming?

[Byrjun]

Want access to Velious? Log into PEQ or Hidden Forest and explore, I can't think they'd launch Velious a week early for a select few, maybe the beta but not the launch.

I'm assuming you didn't listen to the stream. But yes, you can purchase 3-7 days of P99 early Velious access. Not beta, actual launch.

I don't know what the "log into PEQ" crap was about, I'm not complaining about Velious not being out, I'm complaining about being able to purchase early access to it for $.

[pharmakos]

Swish is doped up after his accident i think, cut him a break =p

but byrjun is right, you get legit live P99 server early access to velious for donating enough

[Splorf22]

Oh well. Going to bed. Maybe I'll be less depressed about fungus staves for USD in the morning.

I don't understand how the staff can be against RMT by the players but then engage in it themselves.

[SamwiseRed]

i got banned from stream for questioning whether or not MQing epics was intended. :(

banned in the name of classic. i am a martyr.

[pharmakos]

2-1-2014 R.I.P. Streamwise

never forget

[Oogei]

i got banned from stream for questioning whether or not MQing epics was intended. :(

banned in the name of classic. i am a martyr.

i was wondering who typed that wall of text

[SamwiseRed]

hehehe

[Daldaen]

Where are all the young-lawyers arguing that paying for early access is paying for access to SOE/Verant intellectual property which is one of the main reasons these servers are only allowed to operate on a purely donation basis for server funding and such.

I didn't phrase that properly, but young lawyers do it for me please.

[Swish]

I'm assuming you didn't listen to the stream. But yes, you can purchase 3-7 days of P99 early Velious access. Not beta, actual launch.

I don't know what the "log into PEQ" crap was about, I'm not complaining about Velious not being out, I'm complaining about being able to purchase early access to it for $.

I caught some of it I must have missed that part...that's extremely shitty.

The point was if you want to scout Velks or wherever to check up how to split "camp x" you can do so from other EQemu servers.

[constelllations]

I don't understand how the staff can be against RMT by the players but then engage in it themselves.

not a very good parallel... one is very much not classic and goes against everything we fight for on this server and the other is just granting mild privileges for supporting a game.

i hardly think that's comparable.

this game is about revitalizing a classic MMORPG. the project began because we all felt there was a hole where everquest once was because no modern MMO was stepping up to fill that void. now there's a game that is ready to fill that hole, and you're all complaining that devs giving mild incentives to support that game is disappointing to you?

[Oogei]

Where are all the young-lawyers arguing that paying for early access is paying for access to SOE/Verant intellectual property which is one of the main reasons these servers are only allowed to operate on a purely donation basis for server funding and such.

I didn't phrase that properly, but young lawyers do it for me please.

you aren't paying for early access you are just donating money to support a cause ( pantheon ) velious is just a bonus :):)

[Swish]

Will any of this matter if Pantheon fails to hit $800k?

[Pheer]

not a very good parallel... one is very much not classic and goes against everything we fight for on this server and the other is just granting mild privileges for supporting a game.

i hardly think that's comparable.

pay real money for exp pots

/auction WTS exp pots 50k each

Sounds pretty comparable to me

[JayN]

selling off rl family for Free emulator fat loot stuffs!

[constelllations]

pay real money for exp pots

/auction WTS exp pots 50k each

Sounds pretty comparable to me

Did they say these would be tradeable? I assumed no considering what that would mean for the server

[Oogei]

Did they say these would be tradeable? I assumed no considering what that would mean for the server

they said they were tradeable yes

[kylok]

If I heard correctly they will be trade-able, that being said if you pay 50k for an hour and a half of bonus exp... then I have some exp pots to sell you =)

[Daldaen]

Time for casuals to buy up some, sell for plat and finally get that fungi!

[Swish]

They'd be fairly unique, I'd probably sell mine and put it towards something for my rogue. People overestimate the fact that you're just getting from Point A - Point B ...all of 30 minutes quicker.

Again you can already pay for XP by joining Chardok AOE.

[Terrapt]

... now there's a game that is ready to fill that hole ...

Wow so hype.

Seriously though, this game was announced earlier this month. It's officially in the "Twitter hype" stage of development. I don't know all of the details of any pay2win policy coming to P99 (I haven't watched the stream), but implementing such in-game advantages for RL money seems like a poor move. But hey, it's not my server.

Here's to hoping it will be more than just a Vanguard-esque flop 9 years down the road.

[Zereh]

LOL This explains so much.

[constelllations]

they said they were tradeable yes

ah, i went to dinner for an important part of the conversation, then. wondering what else i might have missed.

[Lemiddar]

this game is about revitalizing a classic MMORPG. the project began because we all felt there was a hole where everquest once was because no modern MMO was stepping up to fill that void. now there's a game that is ready to fill that hole, and you're all complaining that devs giving mild incentives to support that game is disappointing to you?

No matter what happens there will be a portion of the population that will complain about it. I know Pantheon isn't exactly solving world hunger, but people would complain about p99 supporting that kickstarter with a similar promotion as well.

OMG! Kids should eat but why you gotta ruin my gaming experience by giving a few fungi staffs and guises out to people I may never run into?!

I'm just glad there's a way to reintroduce a few staves removed in RMT bans. Someday the same players complaining may find themselves buying a staff that entered the game via this promotion in EC. It isn't as if they're holding 100 raffles, so the impact is very small.

[heartbrand]

Where can I get info about the tiers?

[Oogei]

Where can I get info about the tiers?

they will be announcing it later tonight or tomorrow they said

[heartbrand]

Nice nice. Do I get the black forum name immediately or is there a long waiting period?

[Lemiddar]

They posted the tier info on the video, which is now available on Sirken's twitch feed. Just fast forward to the endish area until you see an ugly blurred picture of words. :D

[heartbrand]

Cool cool

[constelllations]

Wow so hype.

Seriously though, this game was announced earlier this month. It's officially in the "Twitter hype" stage of development. I don't know all of the details of any pay2win policy coming to P99 (I haven't watched the stream), but implementing such in-game advantages for RL money seems like a poor move. But hey, it's not my server.

Here's to hoping it will be more than just a Vanguard-esque flop 9 years down the road.

you might want to check out brad's interview with boogie (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45XrbsBt34c) for more information about the game (boogie asks what happened with vanguard and how fans can be sure that it won't happen with pantheon, and brad answers it well.)

as for "so hype", i've been following the FAQs and interviews pretty closely since finding out about it, so i'm not talking from my ass. it's pretty exciting to hear that a modern everquest is in the works by a team of dedicated, experienced people trying to create the game most of us here have been waiting for for 15 years. i don't think my statement is off the mark at all - this game truly *is* ready to fill the void left by classic everquest. that's how brad is positioning it, which is what i mean by "ready to fill". it seems that much of pantheon is being modeled after everquest.

[Vayder]

Where can I get info about the tiers?

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii74/egil/Donationtiers.jpg

[Oogei]

ty for posting

[Tenlaar]

"Ready to fill the void" in four or five years, if it gets funded, and if it goes to completion, and if it isn't ruined by all of the modern day crap that gets put into every modern MMO regardless of what they say before it's released.

How can anybody possibly be so excited about a game that may or may not exist years down the road?

[Oogei]

"Ready to fill the void" in four or five years, if it gets funded, and if it goes to completion, and if it isn't ruined by all of the modern day crap that gets put into every modern MMO regardless of what they say before it's released.

How can anybody possibly be so excited about a game that may or may not exist years down the road?

We have faith

[Tenlaar]

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii74/egil/Donationtiers.jpg

Also, this is just awful in every way.

[kylok]

We have faith

[constelllations]

"Ready to fill the void" in four or five years, if it gets funded, and if it goes to completion, and if it isn't ruined by all of the modern day crap that gets put into every modern MMO regardless of what they say before it's released.

How can anybody possibly be so excited about a game that may or may not exist years down the road?

i have a lot of faith in brad mcquaid and his vision, and for good reason. :)

[heartbrand]

Hope you all attend the in game ceremony honoring me

[constelllations]

what team would work entirely pro-bono and practically jizz everywhere while talking about their pre-pre-alpha game (see: salim grant during the interview today) and then go "fuck it, nevermind, let's just sell out and/or not do this thing anymore"?

[Oogei]

we are getting off topic tho , FKN VELIOUS

[Sirken]

VEEERRRRRRRIOUS

[Tenlaar]

what team would work entirely pro-bono and practically jizz everywhere while talking about their pre-pre-alpha game (see: salim grant during the interview today) and then go "fuck it, nevermind, let's just sell out and/or not do this thing anymore"?

Every game developer ever who has suddenly realized "Oh shit, we DO want more money after all!"

[constelllations]

Every game developer ever who has suddenly realized "Oh shit, we DO want more money after all!"

wasn't really a question though. brad is brad. it will happen. it's just a matter of when.

[Oogei]

VEEERRRRRRRIOUS

did you get my PM on the guise i won?

[JayN]

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii74/egil/Donationtiers.jpg

ebey time brews

[Ele]

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii74/egil/Donationtiers.jpg

lol

[pharmakos]

what team would work entirely pro-bono and practically jizz everywhere while talking about their pre-pre-alpha game (see: salim grant during the interview today) and then go "fuck it, nevermind, let's just sell out and/or not do this thing anymore"?

idk man, its gonna be a total bonerkiller to them if they don't get $800k by the close date of the kickstarter =/

to anyone that doesn't understand how kickstarters work -- if they don't reach their goal $$$ amount, then they get NONE of the money, and no one's cards get charged.

[constelllations]

idk man, its gonna be a total bonerkiller to them if they don't get $800k by the close date of the kickstarter =/

to anyone that doesn't understand how kickstarters work -- if they don't reach their goal $$$ amount, then they get NONE of the money, and no one's cards get charged.

i know what you mean, but they've said many times that they have other avenues they're pursuing aside from kickstarter as well

[Oogei]

idk man, its gonna be a total bonerkiller to them if they don't get $800k by the close date of the kickstarter =/

to anyone that doesn't understand how kickstarters work -- if they don't reach their goal $$$ amount, then they get NONE of the money, and no one's cards get charged.

kickstarter or not brad will get it funded

[heartbrand]

VEEERRRRRRRIOUS

U gonna be at my ceremony?

[constelllations]

kickstarter or not brad will get it funded

[Lemiddar]

what team would work entirely pro-bono and practically jizz everywhere while talking about their pre-pre-alpha game (see: salim grant during the interview today) and then go "fuck it, nevermind, let's just sell out and/or not do this thing anymore"?

My example doesn't fit the "working free" part, but.. Mutable Realms (WISH) was insanely stoked about their game until they closed the doors during beta. I still miss my donkey!

[Xelris]

That slope got awfully slick awfully quick.

[JackFlash]

Hard to get excited about 500 people coming back to rape the first few months or more of Verrious. I just hope it frees up the classic/kunark zones somewhat.

[Dezik]

Sooo... maybe I missed it but did they actually announce any dates for velious release or beta?

[Millburn]

Well this was a giant buzzkill.

[Loto]

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii74/egil/Donationtiers.jpg

$5000 to bring Alefgard to Norrath? Might happen

[mnemonikos82]

I can certainly understand one set of devs supporting another, however, while the bonus' this time around aren't that game breaking it's a very slippery slope. Honestly I was already a backer for Pantheon, so I'll change my names to receive the rewards. I disagree with them being tradeable for one thing, but mostly I worry that the devs will see this as successful and do it for other things. It should be a one time deal.

Also, Brad McQuaid is now a GM? Aradune seen in game with a GM tag? I love McQuaid for what he did to everquest as much as the next guy, but err seriously?

[Glain]

Huh, sounds shady

[eisenfaust]

I would buy some of those in-game goodies, but that's RMT'ing! For a good cause or not, this is the most hypocritical thing yet on this server. There is a game that may be as kickass as classic EQ in the making, do people really need more incentive than that???

[Erasong]

$5000 to bring Alefgard to Norrath? Might happen

whats up loto muh man?!

[Shaakglith12194]

Wow, this whole thread is a real downer. You guys really upset that somebody might exp at a faster rate than you for a few minutes? Even if the exp pot lasted a freaking day, it's not like they're saying "players who donate can reach level 63 and get access to AA's and PoP spells to that level". There's nothing game breaking. The items they are offering in a freaking RAFFLE are items that are in the game currently, which are only becoming rarer and rarer the longer the server exists. This is like an argument between two kids in a sandbox and one gets ten minutes with a firetruck, but the other doesn't. Access to velious a week early? At the absolute worst, Lodi gets downed a few times, HoT gets farmed (you'll still be farming it with your guildies, enjoy farming when you have everything), and a few blue diamonds drop. Truly, definitely, unbelievably game-breaking stuff right there. You won't have ST keys, you won't have NToV loots, and hell, you might not even have gotten yourself a full suit of velious gear. You might not even have enough people to group with in any of these new zones. So, what exactly is there to be upset about? Are you so consumed with cockblocking others for loots that it blinds you to what could actually happen here? You could find your EverCrack 2.0.

If the father of EverQuest wanted to talk to you about his new game that just maybe, just maybe will fill that void left by the original, and admired what you had done to preserve his game, are you going to tell him you're not interested in a conversation? If you say yes, you're lying. You were probably in the stream. I see red99ers talking trash, but you guys above all others should know Brad loves teh pvp. Vanguard was a good game (in the parts where it wasn't broken) and pvp was hella fun.

This is nothing like RMT or pay-to-win, devs of p99 are not receiving a penny. You support someone else, and you get a chance at something. Something that's either already in the game or will be in the game soon (velious). You know what's classic? GM events with items and titles. When's the last time you saw one of those? And now you're bitching about it.

[Tecmos Deception]

Well it's morning, and I'm not really any less disappointed by all of this. Everyone who says "LOL IT'S JUST A FEW XP POTS" is totally missing the point, and anyone who denies that the direct connection between paying USD for ANYTHING and ANY kind of reward ingame because of that is "like RMT or pay-too-win" is blind.

I can understand people wanting to support something they have interest in, and yeah this is their server so they can do whatever the hell they want with it. But that doesn't mean that I, and it looks like a lot of other players, can't be just plain disappointed by the way this was handled.


I mean, we've been hyping Velious for YEARS around here. Even the staff have gotten into it recently, with Verious the Bear and Winter is Coming emotes and stuff. And you know what? Velious beta was announced as a sidenote in a stream focused on a RMT-ish fundraiser for a game that is years away. There are threads all over the forums about special forum names, xp potions, and "lol rmt" ... but there isn't an official announcement of Velious from the staff? The only discussion of Velious is people trolling about how they are gonna pay money so they can get in Velious early and WTS velious loot in NRO /auc as the rest of us wait for the raft?

How can you NOT be a bit baffled by all of this?

[fastboy21]

Well it's morning, and I'm not really any less disappointed by all of this. Everyone who says "LOL IT'S JUST A FEW XP POTS" is totally missing the point, and anyone who denies that the direct connection between paying RMT for ANYTHING and ANY kind of reward ingame because of that is "like RMT or pay-too-win" is blind.

I can understand people wanting to support something they have interest in, and yeah this is their server so they can do whatever the hell they want with it. But that doesn't mean that I, and it looks like a lot of other players, can't be just plain disappointed by the way this was handled.


I mean, we've been hyping Velious for YEARS around here. Even the staff have gotten into it recently, with Verious the Bear and Winter is Coming emotes and stuff. And you know what? Velious beta was announced as a sidenote in a stream focused on a RMT-ish fundraiser for a game that is years away. There are threads all over the forums about special forum names, xp potions, and "lol rmt" ... but there isn't an official announcement of Velious from the staff? The only discussion of Velious is people trolling about how they are gonna pay money so they can get in Velious early and WTS velious loot in NRO /auc as the rest of us wait for the raft?

How can you NOT be a bit baffled by all of this?

i don't play this game because i understand the devs. i play it because its fun.

it does seem a bit inconsistent that they go through great efforts to recreate classic eq and then do exp pots. its their play pen though...and i am having fun playing (for free).

so what do i really care? ;)

[Swish]

lol this thread

http://www.esreality.com/files/placeimages/2012/90441-imout.gif

[Godefroi]

I can barely believe what I'm reading in this thread lol. All you fucking basement dwellers may now return to your free online gaming.

A+ initiative, go p99 !

[Daldaen]

Eh I didn't read/watch this, but did they actually announce Velious Beta?

Or did they just say donating to this start-up gets you access to Velious soon(TM).

[eisenfaust]

This is nothing like RMT or pay-to-win, devs of p99 are not receiving a penny. You support someone else, and you get a chance at something. Something that's either already in the game or will be in the game soon (velious). You know what's classic? GM events with items and titles. When's the last time you saw one of those? And now you're bitching about it.

nothing like RMT because the devs arent receiving money? I should just go give my monies to Platlord.....

[Thulack]

Eh I didn't read/watch this, but did they actually announce Velious Beta?

Or did they just say donating to this start-up gets you access to Velious soon(TM).

Announced velious beta by end of month.

[Fountree]

$15 - 1 1.5 hour 50% XP pot.

$25 - 2 1.5 hour 50% XP pots.

$50 - 4 1.5 hour 50% XP pots, 1 entry to Guise of the Deceiver raffle.

$100 - 8 1.5 hour 50% XP pots, 2 entries to Guise of the Deceiver raffle, 3 days early access to Velious.

$200 - 16 1.5 hour 50% XP pots, 4 entries to Guise of the Deceiver raffle, 4 days early access to velious, 1 entry to Fungus Covered Great Staff raffle.

$300 - 24 1.5 hour 50% XP pots, 6 entries to Guise of the Deceiver raffle, 5 days early access to velious, 1 entry to Fungus Covered Great Staff raffle, special forum group 'The Fallen' with yellow forum name.

$400 - 32 1.5 hour 50% XP pots, 8 entries to Guise of the Deceiver raffle, 6 days early access to velious, 2 entries to Fungus Covered Great Staff raffle, special forum group 'The Fallen' with yellow forum name.

$500 - 40 1.5 hour 50% XP pots, 10 entries to Guise of the Deceiver raffle, 7 days early access to velious, 2 entries to Fungus Covered Great Staff raffle, special forum group 'The Fallen' with yellow forum name, 7 days early Velious beta access.

$1000 - 80 1.5 hour 50% XP pots, 20 entries to Guise of the Deceiver raffle, 7 days early access to velious, 5 entries to Fungus Covered Great Staff raffle, special forum group 'The Fallen Hero' with black forum name, 7 days early Velious beta access, and a special in game event honoring $1000 and $5000 backers.

$5000 - 80 1.5 hour 50% XP pots, 100 entries to Guise of the Deceiver raffle, 7 days early access to velious, 25 entries to Fungus Covered Great Staff raffle, special forum group 'The Fallen Hero' with black forum name, 7 days early Velious beta access, special in game event honoring $1000 and $5000 backers, and a special global quest event tailored to the character of your choice hosted by Nilbog and the Project 1999 Staff.

If you read this carefully, the lower tiers of donation say "early access to velious" but the higher donation tiers say "early velious beta access". Pretty sure this is early velious beta access only, but could be wrong :confused:

[Swish]

If you read this carefully, the lower tiers of donation say "early access to velious" but the higher donation tiers say "early velious beta access". Pretty sure this is early velious beta access only, but could be wrong :confused:

That's what I thought too.

[Thulack]

All the nerd rage over velious beta early access. I said that last night in guild that is was just for beta but everyone went with regular velious.

[khanable]

There is early access to beta and early access to actual release, from the image.

$100 will probably be the most popular - 3 days early access to actual velious.

Who gives a shit about early beta access?

[Thulack]

There is early access to beta and early access to actual release, from the image.

$100 will probably be the most popular - 3 days early access to actual velious.

Who gives a shit about early beta access?

Yeah but why would the people who donate the most only get access to the beta early and no the regular version. If anything it should have been the other way around if they were giving early access to both.

[khanable]

Yeah but why would the people who donate the most only get access to the beta early and no the regular version. If anything it should have been the other way around if they were giving early access to both.

I agree with you.

Just going by what I see. My assumption is someone on the dev team actually read what they wrote out to ensure it made sense/was what they wanted to say.

Edit: people who donate the most get access to both.

[Fountree]

Yup Khanable you get both beta and live velious early access on the higher tiers just noticed that too...thx

[Oogei]

someone come on and PL my shammy before verrious hits,thx

[YendorLootmonkey]

Who gives a shit about early beta access?

Probably gonna go down just like Kunark beta anyway (i.e. barely anyone beta-tests unless they shut production server down or turn off raiding on the production server.)

[myriverse]

Yeah but why would the people who donate the most only get access to the beta early and no the regular version. If anything it should have been the other way around if they were giving early access to both.
It actually does say both Velious and Velious Beta.

$5000 - 80 1.5 hour 50% XP pots, 100 entries to Guise of the Deceiver raffle, 7 days early access to velious, 25 entries to Fungus Covered Great Staff raffle, special forum group 'The Fallen Hero' with black forum name, 7 days early Velious beta access, special in game event honoring $1000 and $5000 backers, and a special global quest event tailored to the character of your choice hosted by Nilbog and the Project 1999 Staff.

[jaybone]

Well it's morning, and I'm not really any less disappointed by all of this. Everyone who says "LOL IT'S JUST A FEW XP POTS" is totally missing the point, and anyone who denies that the direct connection between paying USD for ANYTHING and ANY kind of reward ingame because of that is "like RMT or pay-too-win" is blind.

I can understand people wanting to support something they have interest in, and yeah this is their server so they can do whatever the hell they want with it. But that doesn't mean that I, and it looks like a lot of other players, can't be just plain disappointed by the way this was handled.


I mean, we've been hyping Velious for YEARS around here. Even the staff have gotten into it recently, with Verious the Bear and Winter is Coming emotes and stuff. And you know what? Velious beta was announced as a sidenote in a stream focused on a RMT-ish fundraiser for a game that is years away. There are threads all over the forums about special forum names, xp potions, and "lol rmt" ... but there isn't an official announcement of Velious from the staff? The only discussion of Velious is people trolling about how they are gonna pay money so they can get in Velious early and WTS velious loot in NRO /auc as the rest of us wait for the raft?

How can you NOT be a bit baffled by all of this?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_V7QrQf_eXT0/THdLwSJyqHI/AAAAAAAAAgQ/M9SYpPlchPM/s1600/crying_baby.jpg

[Cukshaik]

Announced velious beta by end of month.

Pretty sure he said it was planned to be out by the end of the month. Not set in stone.

Of course I'm not surprised that the guy spreading false information about the beta access is spreading more "rumors."

[Thulack]

It actually does say both Velious and Velious Beta.

Your right i missed the 2nd part about beta and regular.

[Thulack]

Pretty sure he said it was planned to be out by the end of the month. Not set in stone.

Of course I'm not surprised that the guy spreading false information about the beta access is spreading more "rumors."

and yes they planned for it to be out by end of month. not sure how that is different then what i said? Not like they said by end of next month and i was saying this month.

And this coming from a guy that has 109 posts and not a single one has anything postive to say on the forums. Way to be productive man.

[Cukshaik]

and yes they planned for it to be out by end of month. not sure how that is different then what i said? Not like they said by end of next month and i was saying this month.

And this coming from a guy that has 109 posts and not a single one has anything postive to say on the forums. Way to be productive man.

You said it will be out. They said it plans to be out.

You seriously don't see the difference?

[Thulack]

You said it will be out. They said it plans to be out.

You seriously don't see the difference?

I said they announced it out by end of month. They announced they plan to have it out by end of month. No without giving a set date i dont really see a difference in those statements. I don't think they would have given a "within 4 week" announcement if they werent confident in that happening considering its been going on how many years of people waiting for velious?

[Swish]

You said it will be out. They said it plans to be out.

You seriously don't see the difference?

Patience pals, patience.

http://i.imgur.com/U1pnCO3.gif

[Oogei]

why cant i has verious now?

[Doors]

Got bad news for anyone looking forward to velious content on blue. TMO been farming up alt armies for a reason during 3 years of kunark.

[Ravager]

So, I have no interest whatsoever in this Pantheon game (because why would I want to play a game that's like classic Everquest when all I want is classic Everquest?). However, I can donate $300 to it and receive 24 exp pots (real money value of $12.50 each) that I can then use to either trade for gear or plat in Project 1999, or use to powerlevel my toons. How exactly is this not RMT?

[phacemeltar]

So, I have no interest whatsoever in this Pantheon game (because why would I want to play a game that's like classic Everquest when all I want is classic Everquest?). However, I can donate $300 to it and receive 24 exp pots (real money value of $12.50 each) that I can then use to either trade for gear or plat in Project 1999, or use to powerlevel my toons. How exactly is this not RMT?

i think the justification is that the xp pots are pretty much worthless unless you are rich and donate thousands of dollars.

[jaybone]

So, I have no interest whatsoever in this Pantheon game (because why would I want to play a game that's like classic Everquest when all I want is classic Everquest?). However, I can donate $300 to it and receive 24 exp pots (real money value of $12.50 each) that I can then use to either trade for gear or plat in Project 1999, or use to powerlevel my toons. How exactly is this not RMT?

Then fucking leave.

[Ravager]

Then fucking leave.

Probably going to have to when it gets shut down because people are paying someone other than Sony for their intellectual property.

[phacemeltar]

Probably going to have to when it gets shut down because people are paying someone other than Sony for their intellectual property.

this

[kylok]

Probably going to have to when it gets shut down because people are paying someone other than Sony for their intellectual property.

Please cry more, your tears are so tasty.

[Rec]

ocean of tears?

[Ravager]

Please cry more, your tears are so tasty.

Who's crying? Learn to read.

[kylok]

Donations aren't payments, sorry you're mad.

[Oogei]

why is thread derailed

[kylok]

Seahawks!

[phacemeltar]

why is thread derailed

forumquest

[Ravager]

Donations aren't payments, sorry you're mad.

So I give money to get something in return, but it's a donation. Got it.

[Cyrano]

P99 could be a career case study for the group of most ungrateful fucks ever.

[Oogei]

P99 could be a career case study for the group of most ungrateful fucks ever.

this

[Makwa]

P99 could be a career case study for the group of most ungrateful fucks ever.

Thirded

[kylok]

P99 could be a career case study for the group of most ungrateful fucks ever.

[Pint]

I love that paying for advantage in p99 is ok if it's for a "good cause", then the good cause doesn't turn out to be a charity or anything but instead it's just donating to yet another kick starter idea

[Sirken]

I don't understand how the staff can be against RMT by the players but then engage in it themselves.
i dont understand how you can say the p99 staff is engaging in RMT when exactly 0% of the money donated to the Pantheon kickstarter goes to the p99 staff.

as a staff, we very strongly support what the guys on the Pantheon team are doing, and we want to help them. not help us, not help p99, but help the guys at Pantheon get that game made so we can all play it.

anyone thats playing p99 clearly misses the old school style of MMOs, and we strongly believe that a large enough community exists out there, that if a Pantheon MMO targeted at players like yourself (and like myself) was made, it would be successful for its targeted audience.

if you dont think Pantheon is for you, then do not donate to it. but if you don't donate to Pantheon, you forfeit all future rights to complain about current games being crap, or the current state of MMOs

<3
Sirks

in case you missed the Q&A - http://youtu.be/hCv7JLZ_QSA



Wonder what kickbacks the staff is getting from this.
0 kickbacks for staff. we are doing this because we support it and want it to succeed. i'm sorry if you've never done something for someone without asking for something in return. we have the utmost respect for these guys. that being said, if they want to send me breakfast burritos i won't stop them.




Also, Brad McQuaid is now a GM? Aradune seen in game with a GM tag? I love McQuaid for what he did to everquest as much as the next guy, but err seriously?
we wanted to recreate his character from live for him because we wanted to do something we thought he would legitimately be excited about. Obviously Brad is a very busy man, but we thought it would be fun for him to just pop around EQ on his old toon, and of course fun for players to have a chance to bump into the legendary Aradune Mithara and maybe have him seduce them with tales of Pantheon.

[Swish]

God damn you are the worst kind of brown noser.

SomeoneWhoActuallyPlaysEQmakingAgoodSuggestion - "SHITS NOT CLASSIC BRO, HERE'S A STUPID ASS GIF I STOLE"

NilbogOrRogeanOrAnyBanHappyStaffMemberPosting - "OH MY GOD THIS IS THE BEST IDEA EVER, IT'S NOT CLASSIC AT ALL BUT I LOVE IT. IF A PLAYER HAD SUGGESTED THIS I WOULD HAVE SHIT GIFS ALL OVER IT, BUT I LOVE YOU GUYS, CAN I SMELL SOME MORE OF YOUR ASS PLEASE?"

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/kirk1.gif

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_makvphe8Fs1rpga6zo1_400.jpg

I made someone THAT mad without trying? :D

There's nothing game breaking about what's being offered as an incentive. If you don't want to help Pantheon, don't help... no need to nerd rage all over the forum. Help or not you'll still be enjoying 1-4 weeks of 50% XP bonus. Still mad?

[Oogei]

I think it's amazing that people aren't happier about what happened last night as a whole.

#1. Interview with Brad with our p1999 devs - fucking awesome
#2. Giveaways from our devs - fucking awesome
#3. Velious officially annouced with a date - double fucking awesome
#4. "Donation" or "Investment" call it what you want, but actually getting something decently beneficial in return is fucking awesome as well.

hell, just the ability to play Classic EQ for free after all the hard work the devs put in is amazing as well.

now wheres my guise

[Sinestria]

What is the official date?

[kylok]

I think it's amazing that people aren't happier about what happened last night as a whole.

#1. Interview with Brad with our p1999 devs - fucking awesome
#2. Giveaways from our devs - fucking awesome
#3. Velious officially annouced with a date - double fucking awesome
#4. "Donation" or "Investment" call it what you want, but actually getting something decently beneficial in return is fucking awesome as well.

hell, just the ability to play Classic EQ for free after all the hard work the devs put in is amazing as well.

now wheres my guise
I support this message

[Thulack]

Actually though Cuk is kinda right. Beta wont be out by end of month. Pantheon kickstarter ends the 22nd. If your giving people who donate a week early into beta then that means beta will at the earliest be out March 2nd.

[pasi]

This was the only popular emulator that I know of that did not have some sort of donate for in-game stuff. Glad to see P99 go down this route.

However, I think the actual beneficiary of donations is a bad one in this case. I don't know how any of you trust Brad to make a halfway decent game (or even just not spend your money on drugs).

[phacemeltar]

What is the official date?

STOP COMPLAINING AND ANSWER

[Derubael]

Seahawks!

[Darkyle]

Pretty sure you aint getting dragon loots for donating to pantheon, not sure how you consider an XP pot to be P2win nor game breaking. We have had server wide events where we get XP boosts before.. I don't recall anyone crying in the general chat that wasn't classic or that they wasn't going to play until it was over.

If more people back pantheon then we hit those GLOBAL milestones then EVERYONE will benefit from this, even you cheap skate fucks who haven't ever donated a single dollar to the actual server.

You play here for free, yet whine on these forums as if you are entitled to something I will never understand some of you guys.

[Swish]

I hate DLC, I hate cash shops, I hate pay to win.

However I do like new online games (especially with a classic subscription model), and in this case Brad McQuaid is building something special... and if we're brutally honest he needs every bit of help he can get if he's going to reach that kickstarter target. So how ironic that an emulated EQ server could be called upon to help.

I've already pledged $20 before but am thinking about putting some more in there depending on how far they get to the target. Dishing out a few 90 minute XP potions as an incentive? Where's the harm. The only people I can see with a legitimate reason to rage are the EC fat cats or Chardok AOE organizers.

Who cares if Soandso XP'd for 60 minutes earlier and got 90 minutes of XP for it? You?

[Sirken]

I mean, we've been hyping Velious for YEARS around here. Even the staff have gotten into it recently, with Verious the Bear and Winter is Coming emotes and stuff. And you know what? Velious beta was announced as a sidenote in a stream focused on a RMT-ish fundraiser for a game that is years away. There are threads all over the forums about special forum names, xp potions, and "lol rmt" ... but there isn't an official announcement of Velious from the staff? The only discussion of Velious is people trolling about how they are gonna pay money so they can get in Velious early and WTS velious loot in NRO /auc as the rest of us wait for the raft?
we told people in advance via the forums that there would be important announcements regarding p99 during the stream, you should have tuned in :)

[teija]

we told people in advance via the forums that there would be important announcements regarding p99 during the stream, you should have tuned in :)

hey sirken when/if u have some spare time could u check ur PM's, thx

[Lune]

I don't know how any of you trust Brad to make a halfway decent game (or even just not spend your money on drugs).

Could be because they're playing his game right now, over a decade after the fact. Although I hope this isn't a George Lucas situation, where he shits gold as the underdog answering to bigwigs, but when he gets handed the reins he makes Phantom Menace.

[Ravager]

i dont understand how you can say the p99 staff is engaging in RMT when exactly 0% of the money donated to the Pantheon kickstarter goes to the p99 staff.

The staff isn't engaging in RMT themselves, they just gave the players a venue to do it. I've got no problem rallying people to support this game, I'm just worried what it could mean for this server that people are given the option to buy their pixels.

A 90 minute 50% exp pot might not seem all that gamebreaking, except for the fact that a real world value of $12.50 has been placed on a tradable item.

[Darkyle]

The staff isn't engaging in RMT themselves, they just gave the players a venue to do it. I've got no problem rallying people to support this game, I'm just worried what it could mean for this server that people are given the option to buy their pixels.

A 90 minute 50% exp pot might not seem all that gamebreaking, except for the fact that a real world value of $12.50 has been placed on a tradable item.

Realistically what value do you place on them in terms of platinum? I can't see them being work more than a few k, and even that's a ridiculous price to pay for a measly 50% exp boost for 90 minutes.

Especially considering everyone will get a FREE exp boost server wide as a result of these donations should they hit the milestones.

[kylok]

The staff isn't engaging in RMT themselves, they just gave the players a venue to do it. I've got no problem rallying people to support this game, I'm just worried what it could mean for this server that people are given the option to buy their pixels.

A 90 minute 50% exp pot might not seem all that gamebreaking, except for the fact that a real world value of $12.50 has been placed on a tradable item.

I really think you're making a mountain out of a mole hill.

[Swish]

A 90 minute 50% exp pot might not seem all that gamebreaking, except for the fact that a real world value of $12.50 has been placed on a tradable item.

1-4 weeks of 50% bonus XP for the server depending on how much support the community gives to Pantheon. Everyone wins.

90 minutes bonus XP for one character?

http://pdf-animalfarm.wikispaces.com/file/view/nuclear-bomb-explosion.gif/186748961/372x290/nuclear-bomb-explosion.gif

P99 logic, it seems.

[Ravager]

Realistically what value do you place on them in terms of platinum? I can't see them being work more than a few k, and even that's a ridiculous price to pay for a measly 50% exp boost for 90 minutes.

Especially considering everyone will get a FREE exp boost server wide as a result of these donations should they hit the milestones.

I can see them going for 5k, maybe more. 90 minutes +50% exp in a Chardok AE group? Absolutely.

Also, I have no problem if the way to rally folks to donate was a serverwide exp boost for milestones hit in terms of donations.

[kylok]

I can see them going for 5k, maybe more. 90 minutes +50% exp in a Chardok AE group? Absolutely.

Send me a PM I'm sure we can work out a fair price =)

[Ravager]

Send me a PM I'm sure we can work out a fair price =)

You think I'm paying too much at 5k? What do you think these things will sell for in EC? 200p? 1k? It really doesn't matter what the cost. It's still converting real dollars to in game plat no matter how you look at it.

[Daldaen]

The only people I can see with a legitimate reason to rage are the EC fat cats or Chardok AOE organizers.

Who cares if Soandso XP'd for 60 minutes earlier and got 90 minutes of XP for it? You?

Except Chardok AOEers can now sell 18% of a level per pull instead of 9 if you use the potion.

A few notes about EQLive potions:

They persist through death. So if you pop a potion and 2 minutes in you get trained, you don't lose the EXP Buff
They are not dispellable.
Their duration functions like any other buff.

So... IF they work like EQLive potions... You could be a leach in a Chardok group, log in for 3 minutes during the AEing and grab an invite, get that 18% of a level, then camp out. Repeat x 30.

Instead of sitting there AFK for 20 min wasting away the potion inbetween respawns.

However I am not sure how you could do it such that the EXP bonus doesn't let you camp-bank it.

[kylok]

You think I'm paying too much at 5k? What do you think these things will sell for in EC? 200p? 1k? It really doesn't matter what the cost. It's still converting real dollars to in game plat no matter how you look at it.

I have no idea what they'll sell for, though I do think it will have something to do with how many people have them - I think a lot of people will have them.

[Ravager]

I have no idea what they'll sell for, though I do think it will have something to do with how many people have them - I think a lot of people will have them.

A lot of people will have them, but when they're used, they're taken out of the economy. As supply goes down, demand goes up. They'll certainly hit a ceiling in value in terms of their usefulness, but nobody's going to be handing these out in EC for nothing.

Anyway, I've said all I wanted to say on the subject. It is what it is and we'll see what comes of it.

[pharmakos]

i predict that XP potions will sell for 100pp a piece

[Dezik]

BRONCOS

[Cyrano]

Who's to say P99 will even get 10k into that kickstarter?

[Oogei]

theres been over 10k since last night

[Dezik]

theres been over 10k since last night

LOL

If you been playing p99 for the last 3 years or however longs its been out add up around $10 a month times 36. That's what you should donate.

[Derubael]

If every active player in the last month on the server donated $360 dollars the Pantheon kickstarter would blow its funding goal away. In fact, they'd hit half their stretch goals, even if no one outside of Project 1999 donated.

Too bad that won't happen, but every little bit helps.

[Tenlaar]

Everybody keeps saying "heraderp it's only a 90 minute xp pot a derp." Learn2math, they are offering up to 120 hours worth of xp pots to each person.

[Cyrano]

Everybody keeps saying "heraderp it's only a 90 minute xp pot a derp." Learn2math, they are offering up to 120 hours worth of xp pots to each person.

So what? How does someone being able to level faster kill anything? It's not like Exp pots give you a distinct advantage on raids. Maybe you could argue it's a great junk buff? I have no clue. Seriously though, if someone were to donate $5k and get that money, that's half of getting the entire server a 50% bonus for a certain amount of time. STFU and be grateful.

On the 10k overnight thing, is that for sure confirmed to be just P99 players?

[Swish]

Everybody keeps saying "heraderp it's only a 90 minute xp pot a derp." Learn2math, they are offering up to 120 hours worth of xp pots to each person.

I'm sure everyone complaining about this will also be complaining about the free 1-4 week 50% XP bonus.

Give me 4 weeks of 50% XP bonus and I won't need any pos 90 minute potion to do anything. Stop acting like 500 players will all have 50 xp potions each.

[Oogei]

So what? How does someone being able to level faster kill anything? It's not like Exp pots give you a distinct advantage on raids. Maybe you could argue it's a great junk buff? I have no clue. Seriously though, if someone were to donate $5k and get that money, that's half of getting the entire server a 50% bonus for a certain amount of time. STFU and be grateful.

On the 10k overnight thing, is that for sure confirmed to be just P99 players?

naw i doubt it was all p99 players but i think it had a lot to down witht he interview last night

[jaybone]

guys, so our donations to the server for hardware and other things are like RMT because they spend the money to keep the game going. RMT everyone!

[Tenlaar]

My point was simply that if you are going to say something is no big deal, at least be right in what you're saying it is. 120 hours != 90 minutes.

[kylok]

I believe that Swish was implying is that you get 90 minutes of exp for 60 minutes of work.

[Trelaboon]

Basically, P1999 just became Clash of Clans.

This is awful, terrible news.

[Oogei]

Basically, P1999 just became Clash of Clans.

This is awful, terrible news.

After I read this I was like wtf is clash of clans? Then a commercial aired about 2 minutes later !

Btw where's oogeis guise

[Aeolwind]

After I read this I was like wtf is clash of clans? Then a commercial aired about 2 minutes later !

Btw where's oogeis guise

I just realized that Oogey Boogey and Patrick from Spongebob are virtually I-freaking-dentical. It is like a twin took 2 don't give a damn pills with a bottle of unadulterated evil.

[Oogei]

Haha

[Burrito]

RMT to the server A-OK, but make fun of this shit and get perma banned- seems legit
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=137890

[kylok]

Being stupid will definitely get you banned - I see no problem with that

[Clark]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdedsqeVzU1qay91ko1_400.jpg

How many forumquesters going to drop a stack for that black forum name? Cant wait to see the first RNF poster that drops a grand for it and starts acting like theyre darth vader

[Clark]

Being stupid will definitely get you banned - I see no problem with that

[Currupt]

"XP Pots and the Fungus Covered Great Staff will NOT be tradeable." - As quoted from the P99 home page.. Perhaps I've missed something here after reading 20 pages of crybabies but how is this RMT relevant?

[Tecmos Deception]

"XP Pots and the Fungus Covered Great Staff will NOT be tradeable." - As quoted from the P99 home page.. Perhaps I've missed something here after reading 20 pages of crybabies but how is this RMT relevant?

To begin with, they specifically said the pots WOULD be tradeable, and fungus staves are tradeable by default so it was safely assumed this one would be too. They only later changed their tune.

Besides that though, as I said before, anyone who doesn't see how this is very close to a cash shop or RMT is blind. You are paying real money in a way you are told to pay it, and then you are receiving ingame benefits because of that. It doesn't matter that the staff aren't getting the money directly; it is going where they asked you to send it. It doesn't matter if the items you receive are no drop or temporary or whatever; they are ingame stuff received for no other reason than because you paid real money in the directed way.

Whatever, I guess. It's nilbog's and rogean's show here, of course. I'm only disappointed with the delivery and the principle of this thing anymore. But for what it's worth, it sounds like quite a few folk like me will have trouble looking at the staff or this project in the same light from here on out. Hopefully the staff understand where we are coming from, unlike the retards who reply "BUT ITS JUST A FEW XP POTS BREWWWWWWW" or "BUT THE STAFF ARENT EVEN GETTING THE MONEY LOLOLOL." The universal theme from people who were anti-this was disappointment, not QQ or ragequits or flaming Pantheon or anything.

[Swish]

What happens if the $800k isn't hit? Say I pledge $5k and they don't reach the target? Will rewards on P99 be honored?

You know where I'm going with this one.

[Oogei]

i wish i can moderate my own topics

[Swish]

i wish i can moderate my own topics

The OP was a true masterpiece.

[Makwa]

I understand the attitude that pledging will provide xp pots and a chance at a great staff or what have you. I dont play games that have a cash shop because it defears the purpose of playing and undermines the existing investment of players.

But I still think there's an overreaction. Theres no permanent cash shop being set up so I dont understand how one can take such a black and white view on it. Any impact this promotion has will be truly negligible.

That said, Im glad they are making these rewards non tradeable and thats the right decision imo. Will avoid a lot of drama and heartache thats for sure.

[Currupt]

To begin with, they specifically said the pots WOULD be tradeable, and fungus staves are tradeable by default so it was safely assumed this one would be too. They only later changed their tune.

Besides that though, as I said before, anyone who doesn't see how this is very close to a cash shop or RMT is blind. You are paying real money in a way you are told to pay it, and then you are receiving ingame benefits because of that. It doesn't matter that the staff aren't getting the money directly; it is going where they asked you to send it. It doesn't matter if the items you receive are no drop or temporary or whatever; they are ingame stuff received for no other reason than because you paid real money in the directed way.

Whatever, I guess. It's nilbog's and rogean's show here, of course. I'm only disappointed with the delivery and the principle of this thing anymore. But for what it's worth, it sounds like quite a few folk like me will have trouble looking at the staff or this project in the same light from here on out. Hopefully the staff understand where we are coming from, unlike the retards who reply "BUT ITS JUST A FEW XP POTS BREWWWWWWW" or "BUT THE STAFF ARENT EVEN GETTING THE MONEY LOLOLOL." The universal theme from people who were anti-this was disappointment, not QQ or ragequits or flaming Pantheon or anything.

Is this some passive-aggresive way of saying "I'm wrong but refuse to concede my point. You are all wrong for backing a project we as a community would like to see take off"?
I only speak for myself but donating money to the kickstarter was to see a new game I may enjoy pop up. Not to get my gamebreaking 50% exp pots that are non tradeable.

[Tecmos Deception]

Is this some passive-aggresive way of saying "I'm wrong but refuse to concede my point. You are all wrong for backing a project we as a community would like to see take off"?
I only speak for myself but donating money to the kickstarter was to see a new game I may enjoy pop up. Not to get my gamebreaking 50% exp pots that are non tradeable.

Hopefully the staff understand where we are coming from, unlike the retards who reply "BUT ITS JUST A FEW XP POTS BREWWWWWWW" or "BUT THE STAFF ARENT EVEN GETTING THE MONEY LOLOLOL." The universal theme from people who were anti-this was disappointment, not QQ or ragequits or flaming Pantheon or anything.

[Mirana]

P99 could be a career case study for the group of most ungrateful fucks ever.

"X"thed.

So many people whining about RMT, pay to win, etc etc. Makes me wonder, why the hell are you even playing? If you are just playing to have fun, why do you even care? The fact that this fundraiser bothers you so much is proof of some seriously misplaced priorities.

Go outside, take a deep breath, and think about why you play this FREE GD GAME.

Bunch of !@#$ing ingrates.

[Tenlaar]

Go outside, take a deep breath, and think about why you play this FREE GD GAME.

Because it is free of the current trend of letting people pay money for items and faster experience.

[drktmplr12]

Just looks like a raffle to me.

How does donating to Pantheon benefit the staff? It doesn't. They aren't collecting any benefit from this. Only headache from whiny ungrateful brats. And it really is a nice gesture for the Pantheon team.

This is like a small church getting reamed because they are selling raffle tickets for a breast cancer awareness shirt and a basket of shitty soap, even though 100% of the proceeds go to a worthwhile charity. Then the atheists are across the street protesting because the mayor is there sanctioning the event.

Here is a paper bag.
http://www.bag-market.co.uk/files/Image/SOS-BB-(Brown).jpg
Breathe into it if you feel like this is too much to handle.

[Currupt]

So explain to me the logic supporting your disappointment. I'm curious.

[Grubbz]

P99 is now p2w, glad i never invested to much time. /thread

[Tongpow]

P99 is now p2w, glad i never invested to much time. /thread

but still mad enough to post about it.

[Ravager]

Glad the pots are being made no-drop.

I don't understand how people don't think the staff giving someone a way to convert $45 to 6-10k in plat isn't a terrible idea, especially on a server that's already operating in a legal grey area.

Rallying people to support Pantheon is not the problem. Putting the server we have in jeopardy is the problem.

But I guess I'm just a whiny crybaby.

[Currupt]

There is a Griffon in West Commons with your name on it Rav. It never sleeps.

[Raelador]

But I guess I'm just a whiny crybaby.




Yes

[Ravager]

There is a Griffon in West Commons with your name on it Rav. It never sleeps.

lol

[Tecmos Deception]

This is like a small church getting reamed because they are selling raffle tickets for a breast cancer awareness shirt and a basket of shitty soap, even though 100% of the proceeds go to a worthwhile charity.

This seems more like a small church surprising and confusing many of its members by defying its years-old policy against raffles when it starts selling raffle tickets for breast cancer awareness when the prizes are pew seats that normally are reserved for long-time dedicated members of the congregation, a trip to a high-profile plastic surgeon, and a motherfucking Ferrari.

After all:

1. people aren't reaming the staff, they are just baffled by

2. the staff doing this after they've always had a policy against mingling real money with ingame benefits, regardless of whether platlord or rogean or whatever restaurant that sells bloomin onions is involved, and

3. guises and fungus staves are not the p99 equivalent of pink t-shirts and soap-laden goodie baskets.


Go on all you want though. I'm not mad. Surprised, confused, disappointed, yes. Mad? No. I even logged in this morning and made 15k in 10 minutes in HS south! So pretty much business as usual.

[Grubbz]

but still mad enough to post about it.

Sure am, do you not realize that with the 6 days to early access that tmo or any other high end guild can essential buy there way into velious and farm ToV/Kael/Skyshrine gear and at launch already be raid ready? lolz ok.......

[Tecmos Deception]

Sure am, do you not realize that with the 6 days to early access that tmo or any other high end guild can essential buy there way into velious and farm ToV/Kael/Skyshrine gear and at launch already be raid ready? lolz ok.......

Oh no. You mean casual guilds aren't going to be in ToV the first week?

[Grubbz]

lol, id say good luck to any casual guilds that try to farm gear with top tier guilds in there.

[drktmplr12]

Staff said Raid mobs will be disabled for the early access.

[Kergan]

Day one when those raid mobs are up is going to be insane now that people can get their faction ready to rock in advance.

[drktmplr12]

This seems more like a small church surprising and confusing many of its members by defying its years-old policy against raffles when it starts selling raffle tickets for breast cancer awareness when the prizes are pew seats that normally are reserved for long-time dedicated members of the congregation, a trip to a high-profile plastic surgeon, and a motherfucking Ferrari.

After all:

1. people aren't reaming the staff, they are just baffled by

2. the staff doing this after they've always had a policy against mingling real money with ingame benefits, regardless of whether platlord or rogean or whatever restaurant that sells bloomin onions is involved, and

3. guises and fungus staves are not the p99 equivalent of pink t-shirts and soap-laden goodie baskets.


Go on all you want though. I'm not mad. Surprised, confused, disappointed, yes. Mad? No. I even logged in this morning and made 15k in 10 minutes in HS south! So pretty much business as usual.

You're right, maybe i didn't think my post through. Perhaps I undervalued the rewards. I was thinking more about people complaining about xp pots = pay 2 win.

I can understand why you feel the way you do. What they are doing is unprecedented after all, but I think is still pretty far from donation benefits on THF (http://www.thehiddenforest.org/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1993). There should absolutely be 0 ways to turn any rewards into platinum, and I think that has been addressed by making all rewards no drop.

I can't say I agree with offering early access to the expansion. I really would hate to see velious items auctioned 6 days before release.

[drktmplr12]

Day one when those raid mobs are up is going to be insane now that people can get their faction ready to rock in advance.

I see what you are saying. My mistake on thinking the absence of raid mobs won't make this possible. They will still be able to get gems and faction.

[Thulack]

P99 is now p2w, glad i never invested to much time. /thread

logic fails as there is no "win" in EQ.

[skipdog]

I'm surprised so many people are focused on the XP pots.

I've been looking forward to those opening days in Velious for quite some time. Now I can't even be there for the actual opening day unless I pay $500. I can pay $100 and still miss the first 4 days velious will be active.

Is nobody else truly disappointed that something they've been looking forward to for YEARS(the first days of Velious release) will be denied to them unless they donate $500+?

Give early access to the beta, that's fine, but taking away all of our 'first days of Velious' unless we pay real money? That just seems so wrong to me and I can't believe people are caring about some worthless XP pots.

[myriverse]

First day. Tenth day. No difference. Whatsoever.

[Fountree]

Kind of agree with Skipdog here. That said, I'll probably be donating to get early velious access.

[skipdog]

First day. Tenth day. No difference. Whatsoever.

For some of us, some of our best gaming memories were from the first week of a new MMO expansion release.... and most of us have never waited this long for any MMO expansion to come out. So for me and probably some others, there is a difference.

[Thulack]

First day. Tenth day. No difference. Whatsoever.

Especially since it will be there til they close the servers.

[Swish]

How it would have happened:

You turn up to a dozen different Velious pixel camps. People already there and staying there for hours/days because of multiple nerdgasms.

80% of people will either be queuing for pixels or just giving it a week or so to settle down.

[Swish]

Velious will bring out the worst in people, no doubt about it.

[myriverse]

For some of us, some of our best gaming memories were from the first week of a new MMO expansion release.... and most of us have never waited this long for any MMO expansion to come out. So for me and probably some others, there is a difference.
My only advice then is to transcend such stupidity.

[Pint]

I'd much rather donate $ to the actual p99 project for early beta access to velious than to donate it to a kickstarter that is 3 years away from a full release. As far as early access to the legitimate velious release after waiting 4 years, that shit is gaaaaay.

[skipdog]

My only advice then is to transcend such stupidity.

Yeah, I am so stupid for some of my best memories being in the first week of a new MMO or MMO expansion launch. You got me!

[derpcake]

Given the current amount of money they have raised, it seems possible that this is not even going to reach the kickstarter goal.

Then there is the issue that Brad has some bad addictions, and a track record of screwing up stuff. Wether they are related, I am unsure.

Brad left EQ in the early 2000's, and has since only released "Vanguard: Saga of 2 much brown", which was a complete failure at launch and never recovered. Vanguard barely survived its trainwreck launch, and only could so after Sigil sold it dirt-cheap to SoE - who promtely demoted Brad out of any influential role. Brad had full control over Vanguard, yet it launched as a total failure, not the EQ sequel we all hoped it to be. He already failed at remaking EQ guise. This should be obvious.

I'm gonna pass, but I am willing to bet plat this game will vaporware.

In fact I'd go yolo-all-in-elbow-deep on that bet.

[Tenlaar]

Shh, you're not supposed to acknowledge that he has done nothing but release one failed game in over a decade.

[getsome]

http://i59.tinypic.com/2610sav.png

[derpcake]

Now we need the other guilds in the rota to pay their way into early velious also, so that a rotation can be put into place before the beta of the expansion is even live.

This isn't going to end well.

[Nlaar]

http://i59.tinypic.com/2610sav.png

I see that under the current donation to P. scheme that 7 day early V. access is $500. Y'all must have some deep pockets to afford that across an entire guild!

[Pint]

http://i59.tinypic.com/2610sav.png

ive got 5 well geared 60s if you want to foot my $500 admission

[Portasaurus]

Slippery slope confirmed slippery. We need more sticky to help.

Speaking of, has nobody mentioned this sticky throughout all of this?

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80095

I know some can and probably will word-lawyer me on this, but I'm sorry.. the Pantheon kickstarter/in-game p99 kickback seems awfully damn close to this.

http://s24.postimg.org/6jtf57211/HAH.jpg

[August]

Well, I am disappointed.

[baalzy]

Donations aren't payments, sorry you're mad.

Sony Intellectual Property used to gather funding for a game that will be in direct competition with Sony Intellectual Property.

Sorry you're stupid.

[drktmplr12]

http://www.thegrouchygamer.com/?p=80

Not that this should make anyone more comfortable, but pinning the failure of Vanguard 100% on Brad is not really accurate.

[drktmplr12]

Brad had full control over Vanguard

Stop subscribing to the hive mentality. Just because people all repeat it doesn't make it true. Read about Dave Gilbertson's role in Vanguard's development. You might rethink your statement. Brad wasn't signing the checks, this guy was. Brad was taking pills.

I hope for Brad's own sake that he is off that shit, because my father had the same problem and it didn't work out too well for him.

[Fountree]

http://i59.tinypic.com/2610sav.png

This better be a troll , and its a good one if it is lol

[Oogei]

What happened to my thread

[drktmplr12]

What happened to my thread

p-1999 happened to it, my friend.

[Aeolwind]

What happened to my thread
Patrick shows up when you log off and does things. You need to spend more time on the forums Evil Patrick.

[Oogei]

Patrick shows up when you log off and does things. You need to spend more time on the forums Evil Patrick.

Figures, oh well back to making tunes
:cool:

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