Why do we use Titanium? Technical hurdles or staff decision?

[tristantio]

Is it something such as the EQEMU server only being able to encrypt/decrypt packets with the Titanium algorithm or is it necessary for other reason, such as compatability with the custom shipped files (dlls) that are needed on p99?

How much work (or is it simply not allowed?) would it be to reach the point where the Sony provided official client/download would connect to and work with p99?

[sox7d]

eqclassic.org

[Man0warr]

Initially, it was probably as simple as it being the first client that has all expansions on a single DVD.

[nndiro]

but why are the expansions needed? i still have my old kunark cd if it helps the devs get something out of it :P

[Grubbz]

Eqclassic was developing there server after EQ trilogy client and as some who alpha tested it i can tell you that it was fucking amazing. To bad we will never see it tho since yeahlight is such a tool.

[Tongpow]

eqclassic.org

i know jack shit about coding..etc but i was involved with that project for abit and remember all the "work" lol that was done on that project isn't even compatible with eqemu


the client worked but was pretty fucking buggy from what i remember but that was years ago

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa309/Kuja2600/EQ000005.jpg

[Grubbz]

nah bro i Alpha tested eqclassic client last year before yeahlight stopped working on it and it was fucking amazing. Bolt spells worked, old UI, medding with spell book, list goes on and on.

[tristantio]

I'd be more interested in getting the freely downloadable client working with p99, as it would make it much easier for new players to legitimately join the server.

[Burrito]

I vaguely followed eqclassic and was pretty excited for it. What happened with yeahlight other than people trolling the forums constantly waiting that made him quit?

[Grubbz]

Basically he got about 95% of the project done and then offered to sell it to SOE and suffice to say SOE said no thanks. This caused YL to go into rage mode and start blaming everyone else and lead to him shutting down the project.

[Tongpow]

nah bro i Alpha tested eqclassic client last year before yeahlight stopped working on it and it was fucking amazing. Bolt spells worked, old UI, medding with spell book, list goes on and on.

yeah fair enough, i forgot how long ago that actually was, was 4years ago it looked like this


http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa309/Kuja2600/rtyrtyrtyr.jpg

[Burrito]

Basically he got about 95% of the project done and then offered to sell it to SOE and suffice to say SOE said no thanks. This caused YL to go into rage mode and start blaming everyone else and lead to him shutting down the project.

So who's going project zomboid all over his ass and stealing his laptops and all the source code?

That's a shame. Sounds like he had intentions of selling it the whole time.

[sox7d]

my point was that it has been in development for about 7 years and isn't out yet. pretty good example as to why not to use anything other than titanium.

[phacemeltar]

this game totally needs to be finished, because i think alot more people would play if it wasnt so difficult to get the game-files. im all for spreading the truth that is Norrath..

[sox7d]

i'd play it for the sole reason of a fresh start.

[phacemeltar]

if more people join p99, the devs will most likely push up releasing the teams server. overpopulation is no joke on EQ

[Coridan]

FV ruleset server before TZ/SZ please.

http://firionavie.yuku.com/topic/1005#.UvP94uBOnMI

[fastboy21]

yeahlight turned into a tantrum throwing two year old after years of promising work. very sad.

[sox7d]

yeahlight turned into a tantrum throwing two year old after years of promising work. very sad.

iuno... you put in that many hours into something and seeing it go to waste would make anyone pissed the fuck off.

im pretty sure he's bent on vengeance on this server.

[Grubbz]

iuno... you put in that many hours into something and seeing it go to waste would make anyone pissed the fuck off.

im pretty sure he's bent on vengeance on this server.

If YL was smart he would of released a community server with his build...... it seriously would of been 10000 times better then P99.

[drktmplr12]

If YL was smart he would of released a community server with his build...... it seriously would of been 10000 times better then P99.

NO IT HAS TO BE PERFECT OK?

But seriously, it will never be perfect.

[Charak]

nah bro i Alpha tested eqclassic client last year before yeahlight stopped working on it and it was fucking amazing. Bolt spells worked, old UI, medding with spell book, list goes on and on.

Yes but did it have Gems

[Grubbz]

Yes but did it have Gems

To be honest i never even tried the /gems command lol.......

[Tongpow]

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa309/Kuja2600/Gems.jpg

/gems works here also

game is dumb anyway fuckin enc whirlwind gem can go fuck itself

[Kazi]

EQClassic and Yeahlight's meltdown-heard-round-the-world is how I found out about p99 :D

Why was it gonna be better than this place?

[Tongpow]

just looked more classic, the loginserver wasn't titanium it was the actual old ass server select screen,spells gfx actual were legit but the guy working on that here is doing a great job on that anyway you just need to mod some files

they had the classic client but not a classic database and apparently that shit takes some time to fix a.e velious here

plus the bugs n shit would of taken forever i assume, we only had like 3 people testing/reporting bugs when i started, then what like 20 people at the most last year before the project died?

drop 1/10th of the population here into that box and shit would of prolly been unplayable for a very long time


edit:

and most people realized it would never come out, like Yeahlight was weird but the drama / poor decision making like 1-2yrs before yeahlight even show'd up kinda foretold it being a waste of everyone's time i mean fuck Dark-Prince wanted to host it from Australia , the forum banner saying " the way verant intended " getting Wizzel a C&D in the mail and most of all someone thought it was a good idea to give me forum mod powers and let me powertrip and ban anyone posting Anime or PVP threads

the only person that worked on that project that wasnt 100% bat shit crazy was Secrets and i dont even know how much she actually worked on it other than a not fucked up cazic thule zone Database


good times, good times

[fastboy21]

YL's big thing was that he wouldn't be satisfied until he had an absolutely legit/classic database for the game. This is next to impossible imo...so from the beginning it was an exercise in futility.

By not using the titanium client they were free to manipulate the UI in ways that are pretty much impossible for p99. This made their game look more classic.

The thing is that what makes classic eq classic for many people isn't a perfect DB or a perfect UI. So, not only does pursuing these things become obsessively frustrating for devs but, in the end, they aren't the most important things to creating a classic experience imo.

[phacemeltar]

FV ruleset server before TZ/SZ please.

http://firionavie.yuku.com/topic/1005#.UvP94uBOnMI

no one said anything about TZ/SZ so shut your mouth

edit: ok i read that link you put and it sounds really cool, so im sorry i was rude

[Grubbz]

no one said anything about TZ/SZ so shut your mouth

LOL

[Grubbz]

If you wanna see just how good eqclassic was check out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UGdDEWDd00


This is us alpha testing the shit outta it last year.

[Bamz4l]

it would help the entire eqemu community if he gave out source

[Grubbz]

Yeah GL with that, hes got the biggest ego known to man.

[phacemeltar]

Yeah GL with that, hes got the biggest ego known to man.

maybe p99 donations could be allocated into a bribe for this guy? i have no idea what the devs use that money for, but perhaps this would be a good way to attract more players? fkn politics

edit: more players = potentially more donations

[phacemeltar]

or someone could start a kickstarter..

[a_gnoll_pup]

Is it something such as the EQEMU server only being able to encrypt/decrypt packets with the Titanium algorithm or is it necessary for other reason, such as compatability with the custom shipped files (dlls) that are needed on p99?

How much work (or is it simply not allowed?) would it be to reach the point where the Sony provided official client/download would connect to and work with p99?

You'd have to maintain a list of 2000 opcodes, their structures, and also add a clientside DLL to add/remove the features for each update akin to P99. Plus you'd have to redistribute the missing s3d files that live does not distribute for revamped zones.

P99 actually did have Secrets of Faydwer client support at one point, but it was removed in favor of Titanium. Stuff was broken on Secrets of Faydwer to the point that it warranted no longer supporting it (zones missing etc)

As for EQClassic's client, Trilogy, it uses a completely separate protocol (the Verant-era UDP protocol as opposed to the SOE wrapper protocol that SOE uses in all of their games). We have a proof of concept for this protocol on cavedude's github using EQEmulator which is based on my work: https://github.com/cavedude00/Server - This one is for the EQMac client. It allows connections from both new and old protocol clients. In theory, if the code was perfected, it could be used on P99 to allow for loginserver logins from both old and new clients - and they could interact in the same world.

[Grubbz]

Funny enough since we have been talking about EQclassic a shit storm has been happening on that site lol........