Informal Petition Against Buying Into Early Velious

[Triangle]

The title speaks for itself but I made this thread because everyone I talk to is against the idea of gms allowing people to buy their way into early Velious.

I am asking for replies to be signatures if you agree. Of course if you disagree you can post as well but let's keep this constructive.

Generally I am hoping for some compromise. That is I am not asking for you to remove the xp pots or the guise and fungus staff raffles or the early beta access. However selling off first rights to Velious in fact cheapens the amount of work that has gone into it because the money goes to Pantheon! This server has never been pay to play not because the players refuse to pay but instead because Nilbog and rogaen deem it to be so.

I hope that if this thread generates enough interest you will seriously consider changing your position on the matter

Thanks
Svenn of A-Team

[Burrito]

Apparently the GM's have tricks up their sleeves. I would just like for them to update the information before the kickstarter ends so people don't feel cheated.

[Grubbz]

Signed

I could care less about the xp pots just dont give early access to velious.

[SamwiseRed]

op needs to get a job

[Triangle]

op needs to get a job

Says the guy with 8700 posts outside rnf.

[SamwiseRed]

hey im not the one complaining about 50 or 60 bucks. a 8 hour shift at your local mcdonalds will get you into velious. you got this bro.

[skipdog]

Signed.

[Fountree]

I donated specifically for early access to velious. I, probably along with alot of others, would be very upset if that promise was gone back on by the devs at this point.

And tbh I agree with you for the most part Svenn, but I manned up and just did it. If the devs went back on their word...then it'd be like wtf? can we even trust these guys anymore?

[Triangle]

hey im not the one complaining about 50 or 60 bucks. a 8 hour shift at your local mcdonalds will get you into velious. you got this bro.

This has nothing to do wih being able to afford it or not. It has everything to do with principle and the server's precedent

[Daysprung]

The title speaks for itself but I made this thread because everyone I talk to is against the idea of gms allowing people to buy their way into early Velious.

I am asking for replies to be signatures if you agree. Of course if you disagree you can post as well but let's keep this constructive.

Generally I am hoping for some compromise. That is I am not asking for you to remove the xp pots or the guise and fungus staff raffles or the early beta access. However selling off first rights to Velious in fact cheapens the amount of work that has gone into it because the money goes to Pantheon! This server has never been pay to play not because the players refuse to pay but instead because Nilbog and rogaen deem it to be so.

I hope that if this thread generates enough interest you will seriously consider changing your position on the matter

Thanks
Svenn of A-Team

If you think the p1999 dev team isn't getting money out of this I'd say you're being naive.

[Burrito]

I didn't look at the pledge rewards- but I definately remember there being a distinct beta/early access. It seems they went back on that and offered early access at differant tiers which does help a bit and alleviate some of the stress on people paying premium for access.

I guess people will still try to lockdown camps.

[Striiker]

I didn't look at the pledge rewards- but I definately remember there being a distinct beta/early access. It seems they went back on that and offered early access at differant tiers which does help a bit and alleviate some of the stress on people paying premium for access.

I guess people will still try to lockdown camps.

Beta access to Velious and Early access are two different things..

All will be able to access Velious for Beta testing (nothing I have read contradicts that). They did this for Kunark here and I see no reason for this to change for Velious. For Kunark, you typed a command on your character and a copy of that character was made and inserted onto the beta server player list. You could also get translocated to specific locations and get a starter pack to go explore. I anticipate a similar thing for Velious..

Early access is for live server access on your characters. You can go in on the main server, explore, get XP, buy / get loot and return with it to the old world. One week later, the rest of the server will have access to Velious.

[drktmplr12]

If you think the p1999 dev team isn't getting money out of this I'd say you're being naive.

You sir, are an idiot. Just because people are innately greedy does not mean you get to accuse them of whatever seems plausible or possible. You have provided no proof and you need to shut your mouth. Or take off the tinfoil hat.

edit: Thank being said, I sign this. Agree that early access to live velious based on donating to a KS isn't fair.

[Dakidd4990]

This server has never been pay to play not because the players refuse to pay but instead because Nilbog and rogaen deem it to be so.You're cute if you think it's free to play out of the kindness of their hearts. If any emulated EQ server charged to play they would be shut down by Sony within days at most. They would likely receive a cease and desist within hours. I would gladly pay $15 a month to play P99 for some minor bonuses each month (Maybe a couple exp pots?) and to generally improve the server but there's no way in hell Sony would allow it. Otherwise I'm pretty sure it would've been attempted already.

Don't even get me started on paying for early Velious access.... I would've preferred that they give people beta access for donating to Pantheon. Giving people a headstart on LIVE servers is horsesh*t.

[drktmplr12]

double post

[csc2153]

Wait when 3 years from now you are going to pray for luclin release. This 3 day head start wont mean a damned thing. Trust me, Velious will be here for a while.

[Haynar]

If you think the p1999 dev team isn't getting money out of this I'd say you're being naive.

Troll.

I havent received my check yet. Will be glad when it gets here.

[shorttin]

If you think the p1999 dev team isn't getting money out of this I'd say you're being naive.

this and/or being given the opportunity for a full time job once the game gets going...

[drktmplr12]

zomg anything but someone being offered a fulltime job because they demonstrated capability of fulfilling the requirements!

Leave the dev's interest in making money out of the conversation. Have some fucking respect for the ones that enable your hobby.

[Derubael]

The title speaks for itself but I made this thread because everyone I talk to is against the idea of gms allowing people to buy their way into early Velious.

I am asking for replies to be signatures if you agree. Of course if you disagree you can post as well but let's keep this constructive.

Generally I am hoping for some compromise. That is I am not asking for you to remove the xp pots or the guise and fungus staff raffles or the early beta access. However selling off first rights to Velious in fact cheapens the amount of work that has gone into it because the money goes to Pantheon! This server has never been pay to play not because the players refuse to pay but instead because Nilbog and rogaen deem it to be so.

I hope that if this thread generates enough interest you will seriously consider changing your position on the matter

Thanks
Svenn of A-Team

naw

If you think the p1999 dev team isn't getting money out of this I'd say you're being naive.

naw

I didn't look at the pledge rewards- but I definately remember there being a distinct beta/early access. It seems they went back on that and offered early access at differant tiers which does help a bit and alleviate some of the stress on people paying premium for access.

I guess people will still try to lockdown camps.

naw, velious rewards never changed, just the xp pots and fungi staff

You're cute if you think it's free to play out of the kindness of their hearts. If any emulated EQ server charged to play they would be shut down by Sony within days at most. They would likely receive a cease and desist within hours. I would gladly pay $15 a month to play P99 for some minor bonuses each month (Maybe a couple exp pots?) and to generally improve the server but there's no way in hell Sony would allow it. Otherwise I'm pretty sure it would've been attempted already.

Don't even get me started on paying for early Velious access.... I would've preferred that they give people beta access for donating to Pantheon. Giving people a headstart on LIVE servers is horsesh*t.

naw, see hidden forest/ez server

this and/or being given the opportunity for a full time job once the game gets going...

naw


This 3 day head start wont mean a damned thing.

this. not going to make a single bit of difference 1 month into release. we saw a project that was being made specifically to cater to our interests as gamers, and our players interests as gamers, and said 'we need to do something big to help these guys.'

Troll.

I havent received my check yet. Will be glad when it gets here.

sry haynar, you know how slow our payroll department is. I'm sure that $0.00 check is on its way. <3

[Solb]

Early access on this game granted by paying a small fee in the big picture means nothing. Nothing! Who cares! If you want to get in early, pay the fee! If not, that's fine too. People granted early access are not going to gain some huge advantage over anyone else! It simply doesn't matter.

[Artaenc]

Wait when 3 years from now you are going to pray for luclin release. This 3 day head start wont mean a damned thing. Trust me, Velious will be here for a while.

+1

[drktmplr12]

edit: recanting my remark.

[Nirgon]

Says the guy with 8700 posts outside rnf.

Red RNF counts posts... take it from me.

Frankly everyone here can afford to donate 60$ to Pantheon instead of the next new WoW clone or terrible Diablo 3 expansion.

[Daysprung]

Troll.

I havent received my check yet. Will be glad when it gets here.

Obviously I wouldn't expect anyone to admit it. I'm sure everyone is just so enthusiastic about a kickstarter for a game that isn't coming out for likely 4+ years that they felt like donating their time and resources to promote and make someone else money.

EDIT: I AM NOT BASHING, WHY NOT CROSS PROMOTE AND MAKE A LITTLE $$$ TOO, THE SERVERS/SERVICE ISN'T FREE I GET THAT

[Byrjun]

this. not going to make a single bit of difference 1 month into release.

I feel like an ass since I've posted this 10 times and I'm repeating myself in every thread that mentions the $$ rewards, but apparently it's not getting read. Anyways, I'm not sure what EverQuest you played where having an opportunity to get your entire Velious geared raid force into WW an hour or more before another guild can get their Kunark geared raid force into WW isn't an advantage. And yes, getting quest armor, Kael armor, ToV armor, and ST keys will make a difference a month into Velious, that's what gear advantage is all about. That's why people raid competitively in the first place.

It's disappointing that the GMs just don't understand what a big deal this is. Advantages aside, it totally cheapens the fun of launching a new expansion.

Signed, this whole concept is still gross to me. Don't care much about exp pots or guises even though that is weird too, wish they would have just left it at that instead of marring the launch of Velious.

[Derubael]

I feel like an ass since I've posted this 10 times and I'm repeating myself in every thread that mentions the $$ rewards, but apparently it's not getting read. Anyways, I'm not sure what EverQuest you played where having an opportunity to get your entire Velious geared raid force into WW an hour or more before another guild can get their Kunark geared raid force into WW isn't an advantage. And yes, getting quest armor, Kael armor, ToV armor, and ST keys will make a difference a month into Velious, that's what gear advantage is all about. That's why people raid competitively in the first place.

It's disappointing that the GMs just don't understand what a big deal this is. Advantages aside, it totally cheapens the fun of launching a new expansion.

Signed, this whole concept is still gross to me. Don't care much about exp pots or guises even though that is weird too, wish they would have just left it at that instead of marring the launch of Velious.

You're assuming that people will be able to get an entire raid force geared, keyed, and ready to go in 3-7 days. You're also assuming that guilds will have an entire raid force paid for early access, instead of a handful of people. While the may be possible, it's not likely. Even if it does happen, how does this affect the server 1 month into Velious?

[Moodie]

You have my John Hancock

[Heebo]

You're assuming that people will be able to get an entire raid force geared, keyed, and ready to go in 3-7 days. You're also assuming that guilds will have an entire raid force paid for early access, instead of a handful of people. While the may be possible, it's not likely. Even if it does happen, how does this affect the server 1 month into Velious?

TIL guides don't care about server firsts.

[Locust]

signed. i'd rather give 50 bucks to a coal furance than another modern failboat mmo. don't put faith in false gods.

[Alarti0001]

[QUOTE=Derubael;1310890]
this. not going to make a single bit of difference 1 month into release. we saw a project that was being made specifically to cater to our interests as gamers, and our players interests as gamers, and said 'we need to do something big to help these guys.'
/QUOTE]

That first month is of course the most important month for many people....

[Alarti0001]

You're assuming that people will be able to get an entire raid force geared, keyed, and ready to go in 3-7 days. You're also assuming that guilds will have an entire raid force paid for early access, instead of a handful of people. While the may be possible, it's not likely. Even if it does happen, how does this affect the server 1 month into Velious?

........you obviously a not understanding which camp is effective and which isnt.

[heartbrand]

You're assuming that people will be able to get an entire raid force geared, keyed, and ready to go in 3-7 days. You're also assuming that guilds will have an entire raid force paid for early access, instead of a handful of people. While the may be possible, it's not likely. Even if it does happen, how does this affect the server 1 month into Velious?

This actually will happen on Red. WTB Server transfer from red to blue.

[Byrjun]

You're assuming that people will be able to get an entire raid force geared, keyed, and ready to go in 3-7 days. You're also assuming that guilds will have an entire raid force paid for early access, instead of a handful of people. While the may be possible, it's not likely. Even if it does happen, how does this affect the server 1 month into Velious?

Doesn't matter if they're assumptions, because P1999 has made it possible. Will one guild pay to get all of their main warriors and clerics into early Velious? No idea, but they could. I've seen some of the dumb shit some people have paid for. Someone paid $28,000 for a grilled cheese sandwich that vaguely resembled the Virgin Mary.

Get 3 groups or so of people SS keys and CS keys before Velious launches and sure, they could go do Klandicar or probably even Zlandicar (depending on how many people are paid for) before other guilds even have a chance to see Cobalt Scar. And then go park a Mage outside ToV and you're cothing the non-paid-for people into ToV and getting in there first too. These are advantages regardless of whether raid bosses are spawned for that week (and who knows what a raid boss is - will Lodizal be available? Vindicator?).

Besides the whole SS key / CS key bottleneck fiasco and cothing opportunities, getting tanks and clerics in quest armor is pretty big. For the most part that gear shits all over Kunark gear, so yes that will be significant to raiding for the first month.

Furthermore, when guilds kill raid bosses and other guilds don't kill raid bosses, the gear disparity between these guilds continues to grow. This is how EQ works. I'm not sure how you couldn't see that affecting the game only a month into the expansion. Especially when we're talking about Velious, where gear actually matters.

[Ele]

None of this matters as this is the beta server. The true heroes will arise on P99v2.0 with a proper timeline.

[Dumesh Uhl'Belk]

You're assuming that people will be able to get an entire raid force geared, keyed, and ready to go in 3-7 days. You're also assuming that guilds will have an entire raid force paid for early access, instead of a handful of people. While the may be possible, it's not likely. Even if it does happen, how does this affect the server 1 month into Velious?
I just crawled the Kickstarter site for Pantheon, and although I obviously can't see how much individual people pledged (and therefore if they will be in early access Velious or not), there are 176 people who have pledged with P99 in their name. Early access will be plenty crowded.

[Heebo]

None of this matters as this is the beta server. The true heroes will arise on P99v2.0 with a proper timeline.

Will my xp potions carry over to the proper server?

[Ele]

Will my xp potions carry over to the proper server?

Better never be bonus xp on the rerolled server.

[Heebo]

30 day early access to individually instanced Lower Guk and 50 150% xp potions - $500 usd

[Artaenc]

I just crawled the Kickstarter site for Pantheon, and although I obviously can't see how much individual people pledged (and therefore if they will be in early access Velious or not), there are 176 people who have pledged with P99 in their name. Early access will be plenty crowded.

it's getting there but 176/15 different guilds = 11.7 per guild if it was an even amount for each guild. Still not enough to kill all the wurms in ToV that rarely drop quest pieces needed and to farm the gems for a full set for an entire raid. Also most of these will be 3 day early access probably.

[Pint]

Early access to legitimate velious launch for donating to a kick starter that's 3 years away after waiting so long for vel is definitely gay. Idk how game changing it will be but I'm sure that no one can actually quantify the benefits at this point, I'm sure we'll find out in the first few weeks of velious rnf though!

[nilzark]

None of this matters as this is the beta server. The true heroes will arise on P99v2.0 with a proper timeline.

Agreed. Also the year P99v2.0 is released the Apple corporation will release the ISocket, a nano computer attached to your eye like a contact lense. Can't Wait!

[Splorf22]

Early access to legitimate velious launch for donating to a kick starter that's 3 years away after waiting so long for vel is definitely gay.

+1 and signed. This is straight up RMT: you give the staff money and you get the first Velious items e.g. Holgresh Elder Beads which will be going for an insane amount (especially the ones that were taken out at some point).

It's disappointing that the GMs just don't understand what a big deal this is. Advantages aside, it totally cheapens the fun of launching a new expansion.

+1 here again. Server firsts will be decided 100% by who pays to win, whether its extra keys or just getting a few warriors in full Dragon/Giant quest gear. To me the real server firsts happened 14 years ago, but a lot of people care.

If you think the p1999 dev team isn't getting money out of this I'd say you're being naive.

It's pretty funny to watch Derubael and Haynar talk about how they aren't getting paid. If this is true, Rogean and Nilbog simply wouldn't tell them. That said, I think it's more likely they have some sort of other compensation. Job offers with Pantheon would make perfect sense.

[Rec]

I hear petitions don't work

[Kazi]

I'm new here, so maybe that's why I don't feel entitled to shit all over the GMs and people who provide this free service to me. But, if you honestly think Rogean et al are getting paid, go back and watch the twitch broadcast. Brad and crew were just as surprised to learn about this as everyone else. If you think that was just an act, then idk what to say. Go pray for your soul or something bc you're way too cynical.

[Bazia]

stop worrying about what other people get and be grateful for wut u have

nerds these dayz i swear 2 god

[baalzy]

It's pretty funny to watch Derubael and Haynar talk about how they aren't getting paid. If this is true, Rogean and Nilbog simply wouldn't tell them. That said, I think it's more likely they have some sort of other compensation. Job offers with Pantheon would make perfect sense.

I think this stuff is a little tinfoil hatty, it also doesn't matter.

Your other points though, those do kinda matter. I'd much rather this whole reward scheme for support was kept at the server-wide level (xp bonus & server-wide events) and no individual incentives existed, but I'm not going to lose sleep over it.

I'm much more worried Sony might take exception to it and file a lawsuit that negatively affects the server.

[Bazia]

im sure rogean and nilbog who already have irl jobs and probably good income are gunning for highly profitable positions with the organization that cant even raise half of the required $800,000 it needs to start even making concept art for their game

makes alot of sense

[Tecmos Deception]

I'm new here, so maybe that's why I don't feel entitled to shit all over the GMs and people who provide this free service to me.

Give it a rest. The people who don't like this "donation for a good cause" for ingame rewards have been going out of their way to calmly explain how they are surprised, disappointed, and concerned about the apparent change in staff policy + the effects it will have in the game. The only shitting on that is happening is the people like you bitching about "too immersed bro" at anyone who doesn't like this fundraiser.

[NextGenesis88]

You're crazy if you think these guys would chance getting into a lawsuit with SOE and risk all the work they have put into this server and take away all the enjoyment we all get. If you pay attention to them you should know how good of guys they are and they are damn well not going to throw away what they have created and worked very hard for. We are very fortunate to have this server and I believe they are very fortunate to have such good developers and support for this to have panned out as well as it did. Thank you guys for doing what you do and thank you for bringing us Velious and supporting Pantheon! /asskiss off

[drktmplr12]

I'd much rather this whole reward scheme for support was kept at the server-wide level (xp bonus & server-wide events) and no individual incentives existed

[Bazia]

ppl wont donate to help poor ppl get pixels

use ur noggins

[Kazi]

Give it a rest. The people who don't like this "donation for a good cause" for ingame rewards have been going out of their way to calmly explain how they are surprised, disappointed, and concerned about the apparent change in staff policy + the effects it will have in the game. The only shitting on that is happening is the people like you bitching about "too immersed bro" at anyone who doesn't like this fundraiser.

Nah, I was talking about people saying there must be money being exchanged under the table. You can have a respectful conversation about where the line is and whether it's being crossed or not, as many have been doing so, without insinuating ulterior motives. Cheers for keeping the tone up.

[Pint]

The only shitting on that is happening is the people like you bitching about "too immersed bro" at anyone who doesn't like this fundraiser.

the only people who are too immersed are the ones shelling out hundred of dollars to an unrelated kickstarter for extra p99 pixels

[Dumesh Uhl'Belk]

I'd much rather this whole reward scheme for support was kept at the server-wide level (xp bonus & server-wide events) and no individual incentives existed, but I'm not going to lose sleep over it.I mostly agree with this. I don't mind the guise and fungi stick raffle thing, that's cool, but the unfairness of the early access bothers me. That said, since it is available, and I was donating to Pantheon already when this was announced... I am going to take advantage of it, but I would prefer if Velious opened at the same time for everyone.

[Tecmos Deception]

If you pay attention to them you should know how good of guys they are and they are damn well not going to throw away what they have created and worked very hard for.

I want to say I recall Nilbog once basically saying that he doesn't care about the players, he just wants to recreate classic EQ for the sake of recreating classic EQ. Something about empty zones being fine as long as the zones were there, maybe? Can't recall exactly. I tried to find that post but wasn't having any luck... but assuming he did say something very similar, it's not a super huge deal if p99 as it is now gets "shut down" or something. I guess we are a big source of bug reporting and stuff, but we're a bigger source of PAIN IN THE ASS (you'll also see him talking about how he dislikes dealing with us as the players pretty frequently).

On an unrelated note, nilbog's posts are all awesome. I'd like to meet that guy IRL some day. For real. Go look at his post history and tell me he isn't the fucking man.

[Tecmos Deception]

Nah, I was talking about people saying there must be money being exchanged under the table. You can have a respectful conversation about where the line is and whether it's being crossed or not, as many have been doing so, without insinuating ulterior motives. Cheers for keeping the tone up.

I blame Deru for making splorf tinfoil hat. NAW DAWG NAW NAW NAW

The fuck? Go talk like that with the red players or something :p

[Portasaurus]

Just my $0.02

I haven't really chimed in on this at all aside from pointing out Sirken's own sticky thread in EC Tunnel forums, which seems to go directly against what the staff is now doing. (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80095)

I don't have any intent to cause ill-will toward the staff or any other player here, but I think it's fair to highlight the hypocrisy of this whole thing. Money out of your pocket --regardless of what it's for, where it goes, or in what format -- which then directly benefits you in-game has been outlawed by the staff in all possible forms. That precedent has been set in stone and reinforced hundreds of times publicly for everyone to see on the forums.

Now, the staff is taking part in a real-life-money --> in-game rewards system. Hypocritical thing is hypocritical. Period. I don't see how you could actually factually argue this any differently.

Now, I LOVE LOVE LOVE p99 and what they've got going on here. Have donated before, and if the server still exists in a year, I'll probably donate again. Great people here and we all share in the same love of this excellent classic game. We're here because we love Everquest, and p99 gives us an amazing, fertile, unique chance to experience what brought us all together over a decade ago.

My biggest concern with all of this is that it could weaken the already somewhat thin-ice legal status of the server. And this is the best video game ever. And it's the last place we can really play it the way we remember!

There has just been so much effort by the staff to keep things here running legit without monetary influence, and in the past any real-money anything by players has been met with swift and harsh punishment. I imagine those anti-RMT efforts were mainly aimed at preventing people from profiting from SOE IP and therefore putting the server in real legal jeopardy.

So, why do it now? This just all seems like an unnecessarily risky move considering the effort gone into keeping the place clean.

I get that there are those that are very excited about Pantheon, but all of this seems to be putting p99 at unnecessary risk all in the name of something that does not and will not exist for a long time (if ever).

There is nothing wrong with asking people to pledge to this project, but it has been established countless times that there is something wrong with in-game rewards for real-money payments.

I also agree with Tecmos that there seem to be a lot of puppeteers coming into these forums in an apparent attempt to silence or otherwise alienate anybody who takes issue with this pledge drive. Sure, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but you can FEEL the tension in the air whenever someone objects to this. Nobody should feel intimidated against raising these perfectly cromulent arguments.

That's actually one of the main reasons I haven't expressed these opinions so far: The whole "dont bite the hand that feeds" thing. I am given a great opportunity to play an old game that I love and I don't want to jeopardize that.

In conclusion: please don't ban me?

Thanks!

[Lifebar]

Signed.

Getting things in P99 for RL money should not happen. This is staff-sanctioned RMT through a third party intermediary.

[Dakidd4990]

Just my $0.02

I haven't really chimed in on this at all aside from pointing out Sirken's own sticky thread in EC Tunnel forums, which seems to go directly against what the staff is now doing. (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80095)

I don't have any intent to cause ill-will toward the staff or any other player here, but I think it's fair to highlight the hypocrisy of this whole thing. Money out of your pocket --regardless of what it's for, where it goes, or in what format -- which then directly benefits you in-game has been outlawed by the staff in all possible forms. That precedent has been set in stone and reinforced hundreds of times publicly for everyone to see on the forums.

Now, the staff is taking part in a real-life-money --> in-game rewards system. Hypocritical thing is hypocritical. Period. I don't see how you could actually factually argue this any differently.

Now, I LOVE LOVE LOVE p99 and what they've got going on here. Have donated before, and if the server still exists in a year, I'll probably donate again. Great people here and we all share in the same love of this excellent classic game. We're here because we love Everquest, and p99 gives us an amazing, fertile, unique chance to experience what brought us all together over a decade ago.

My biggest concern with all of this is that it could weaken the already somewhat thin-ice legal status of the server. And this is the best video game ever. And it's the last place we can really play it the way we remember!

There has just been so much effort by the staff to keep things here running legit without monetary influence, and in the past any real-money anything by players has been met with swift and harsh punishment. I imagine those anti-RMT efforts were mainly aimed at preventing people from profiting from SOE IP and therefore putting the server in real legal jeopardy.

So, why do it now? This just all seems like an unnecessarily risky move considering the effort gone into keeping the place clean.

I get that there are those that are very excited about Pantheon, but all of this seems to be putting p99 at unnecessary risk all in the name of something that does not and will not exist for a long time (if ever).

There is nothing wrong with asking people to pledge to this project, but it has been established countless times that there is something wrong with in-game rewards for real-money payments.

I also agree with Tecmos that there seem to be a lot of puppeteers coming into these forums in an apparent attempt to silence or otherwise alienate anybody who takes issue with this pledge drive. Sure, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but you can FEEL the tension in the air whenever someone objects to this. Nobody should feel intimidated against raising these perfectly cromulent arguments.

That's actually one of the main reasons I haven't expressed these opinions so far: The whole "dont bite the hand that feeds" thing. I am given a great opportunity to play an old game that I love and I don't want to jeopardize that.

In conclusion: please don't ban me?

Thanks!I agree 100% with this post

10/10 /signed

[Sirken]

If you think the p1999 dev team isn't getting money out of this I'd say you're being naive.

if u believe the p99 guys are getting money out of this you are an idiot. is it really that hard to process the fact that we want Pantheon to be a success? we reached out to them because we wanted to try to help as best we could. if you listen to the stream, they found out about the pledge at the same time as everyone else, we thought it would be a nice surprise.

all monies go straight to Pantheon, the ONLY thing we are getting is a list of Donators that have p99 in their name so we can properly thank those players (via the posted rewards for donation amounts) for supporting a game that the p99 staff strongly wants to see get made.

next time i see this crap it will be treated the same as every other person that thinks its cute to accuse the staff of rmt.

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Sirks