Multi Account Question

[Dakidd4990]

So I have my main account and my brother/dad share a 2nd account that has an IP Exemption with mine. Neither of them play a whole lot just here and there. I had a question that I wanted to run by you guys and (hopefully) get a staff response to clarify. My dad is frequently at his computer for work but doesn't have time to play much while working. But if he logged in his cleric to just buff/heal me once in a while then went afk and tabbed back out to work. Is this going to throw up flags and get me in trouble with people accusing me of 2 boxing? As an outsider looking in it will probably look like I'm boxing cause he won't be actively playing but it's still 2 separate people controlling the accounts. Just wanted to clarify before I risk getting myself in trouble.

[drktmplr12]

I do not know how they check for boxing, but I'm confident since you are connecting from different IPs.. it wouldn't matter.

I would wait for staff to respond.

[yevea]

Will it throw flags? Yes. Will people likely report the perma-follow cleric and you? Yes.

As long as there are two actual players playing you are okay. If a GM were to investigate your session, you best hope your brother/dad are currently sitting at the keyboard to prove you aren't 2boxing.

[Dakidd4990]

If a GM were to investigate your session, you best hope your brother/dad are currently sitting at the keyboard to prove you aren't 2boxing.That's my biggest concern. My dad won't necessarily be at his keyboard all the time or actively playing. If a GM pops up and tells us to run in circles or something he may not even be at his computer at the time.

[yevea]

In that situation it may be best to not toe the line.

[Dumesh Uhl'Belk]

That's my biggest concern. My dad won't necessarily be at his keyboard all the time or actively playing. If a GM pops up and tells us to run in circles or something he may not even be at his computer at the time.
Assuming you are legit for the sake of the discussion...

Your dad needs to camp out when not buffing you. He can alt tab from his spreadsheets to log back in when you need your rebuffs. Doing it with the regular AFKs will eventually get you banned.

[Dakidd4990]

Assuming you are legit for the sake of the discussion...

Your dad needs to camp out when not buffing you. He can alt tab from his spreadsheets to log back in when you need your rebuffs. Doing it with the regular AFKs will eventually get you banned.That's what I needed to know. It's fully legit and would 100% of the time be 2 separate people playing the characters. But I realize it appears sketchy from an outsiders perspective so I wanted to check before I did it. If there's a chance I'll be banned I don't want to risk it.

[Menaan]

I'm new to the server and still getting used to all the boxing hate, but surely GMs would be lenient enough that if the other person is simply AFK they will wait for them to be non AFK before taking action? Given a sufficient time frame of course.. if they can't produce a non afk person within 30 minutes I could see taking action then, or maybe kicking the afk box offline and issuing a warning and if it happens again taking more strict action.

I'll admit me and some of my friends that play together a lot have gotten somewhat paranoid about ever sitting around AFK even while just going to the bathroom or something. Lol... from all the reading it feels like if we are afk and can't perform a circus act on demand it's immediate banning. We don't play from the same IP of course, but I doubt the GMs would consider different IPs an immediate sign of non boxing for obvious reasons to any techy.

[Daldaen]

If different IPs why can't they AFK? Is that merely due to their IP exemption?

Or would I get kicked if I did this on my Druid with no IP exemption just because some anti-boxing vigilante has nothing better to do than report me cause they are retarded?

If the later, that is pants-on-head levels of retarded and people need to calm the hell down and play their own game and worry less about how others are playing it especially when it's hardly impacting them. A heal or buff every 15 minutes... Lol.

[jaybone]

As long as you can pass Sirkens 2 box test im sure you will be fine :)

[baalzy]

If different IPs why can't they AFK? Is that merely due to their IP exemption?

Or would I get kicked if I did this on my Druid with no IP exemption just because some anti-boxing vigilante has nothing better to do than report me cause they are retarded?

If the later, that is pants-on-head levels of retarded and people need to calm the hell down and play their own game and worry less about how others are playing it especially when it's hardly impacting them. A heal or buff every 15 minutes... Lol.

While theoretically not breaking the rules, it does at least in part come down to perception. There is no tribunal here, no court system. If something suspicious looking is happening and a GM decides that it's two-boxing then the people involved are hosed. It was a few years ago but I remember a thread where something like this was brought up and people were warned (especially if they have an IP exception) that they should be extra diligent in making sure it doesn't even appear as if they're two-boxing.

Ultimately I don't think what the OP is asking is worth it. Not for cleric buffs anyways. Chloro/DS from a druid would at least make a noticeable difference on your solo-capabilities. No point in getting banned just to provide an AC buff.

[Daldaen]

Even still that is retarded. Ban 2 boxing fine. But I can't "look like" I'm two boxing or I get banned cause someone just wants to /petition an AFK high level druid/cleric.

Fuck, if that's the case I'm 2 boxing in EC tunnel all the time! AFKing while helping other people, friends/family or otherwise, should be encouraged (given you can't devote your full attention to it at that time), not something you have to worry about getting banned for.

[Burrito]

Even still that is retarded. Ban 2 boxing fine. But I can't "look like" I'm two boxing or I get banned cause someone just wants to /petition an AFK high level druid/cleric.

Fuck, if that's the case I'm 2 boxing in EC tunnel all the time! AFKing while helping other people, friends/family or otherwise, should be encouraged (given you can't devote your full attention to it at that time), not something you have to worry about getting banned for.

You'll get petitioned if suspicious and GM's will investigate. If you aren't lying you have nothing to worry about when the GM's approach you.

[Danth]

I'm completely open about gaming with my wife, so sometimes folks accuse me of boxing the characters (what a laugh). Ignore such comments as the useless chaff they are.

Best advice I can give you is to stick to the rules and, within those rules, play however you want. Regardless of whatever claims other players have made, I've never had a negative run-in with the staff here. I stick to the rules pretty religiously though, to the extent that I do things I wouldn't have done on Live. For example, if she's AFK and we train stuff, I let her character die. Not very romantic, but that's the rule.

All that being said, what you propose doing in the original post sure looks shady as heck. You should fully expect some level of investigation. I wouldn't do that sort of thing myself--it just looks too bad and amounts to poking a tiger with a stick to see whether it bites. If I'm on alone, I'm solo, and don't have some semi-AFK wife buffing/healing me every ten minutes.

Danth

[sulpher01]

You'll get petitioned if suspicious and GM's will investigate. If you aren't lying you have nothing to worry about when the GM's approach you.

Well.. that's not entirely true. If your dads afk when the GM decides to do his lil check your screwed.

[Burrito]

Well.. that's not entirely true. If your dads afk when the GM decides to do his lil check your screwed.

He's also probably also in the house and you can just get him to come to the keyboard..

[Dakidd4990]

He's also probably also in the house and you can just get him to come to the keyboard..He's in and out of the house and up and down from his desk all day long. The idea was he could have his cleric sitting afk nearby wherever I am and when he has time come over and refresh buffs/heal me up. Realizing that this would look very suspicious to others watching is why I came here to ask before I did it. I've decided to not even bother cause I don't want to risk it. If a GM shows up while he's AFK or stepped out I don't want to be accused of boxing and not be able to jump through hoops for the 2 box test. It's a shame that I can't do this even though it's not breaking any rules but it is what it is I guess.

[Koota]

If different IPs why can't they AFK? Is that merely due to their IP exemption?





Can easily spoof IPs to make it look like they're different IPs when they actually aren't.

[Burrito]

He's in and out of the house

This is the only reason it's actually risky.

Hope you guys can enjoy playing together when you can though :)

[Eunomia]

There my be some confusion. IP exemptions are granted so that two people may PLAY the game in the same household.

[Thulack]

He's in and out of the house and up and down from his desk all day long. The idea was he could have his cleric sitting afk nearby wherever I am and when he has time come over and refresh buffs/heal me up. Realizing that this would look very suspicious to others watching is why I came here to ask before I did it. I've decided to not even bother cause I don't want to risk it. If a GM shows up while he's AFK or stepped out I don't want to be accused of boxing and not be able to jump through hoops for the 2 box test. It's a shame that I can't do this even though it's not breaking any rules but it is what it is I guess.

It would be breaking the rules if a GM came to your camp and asked the "2" of you to perform the 2box test. If your dad isnt there your banned for life both accounts. Do you really want that to happen. The moment your dad is outside and your about to die and you click that keyboard on your dads pc your 2boxing and therefore its illegal. You say now you wouldn't do that but if shit hit the fan you would def have that thought go through your head. I dont see what the problem is with him camping out and then just logging on to buff you. He doesnt need to log on every 15 mins to buff you. If he wants to PL you he can sit at the PC and do it.

[webrunner5]

You are going to have a LOT of people reporting you. Like it or not. The GM's are only going to put up with so much shit. I say it is WAY to risky to do what you want.

Even IF you are legit they, the GM's, are only going to investigate you a few times and get tired of it over and over.

Getting perma banned is not much fun with Velious coming out soon!!

[fastboy21]

this thread sounds suspiciously like asking how to box and not get in trouble...

your IP exemption is so two people with the same IP can PLAY together. sitting AFK isn't playing. while it isn't strictly 2-boxing, it seems to run against or at least right up to the line of the reason you were given an exemption to begin with.

my advice would be to not use your IP exemption like this. only use it to actually play together.

[Doze]

If we follow the logic most of you seem to be advocating here then anyone going AFK anywhere near other players XPing - for even a moderate amount of time - risk getting permanently banned.

Surely this cannot be the case?

[webrunner5]

If we follow the logic most of you seem to be advocating here then anyone going AFK anywhere near other players XPing - for even a moderate amount of time - risk getting permanently banned.

Surely this cannot be the case?

It is. This server wants NOTHING to do with 2 boxers. NOTHING. So if someone is sort of suspicious of it you probably will get reported. Simple as that. Auto follow even sort of looks shady. I don't recommend it unless both of you start killing quick.

[Thulack]

If we follow the logic most of you seem to be advocating here then anyone going AFK anywhere near other players XPing - for even a moderate amount of time - risk getting permanently banned.

Surely this cannot be the case?

When GM's can see that the Ip addresses match to 2 accounts that are doing this practice it is suspicious yes.

[Danth]

I doubt it's that suspicious. Suggesting that the staff is too stupid to know folks will go AFK on occasion during the course of normal gameplay strikes me as insulting at best. Granted I tend not to use auto-follow, despite the wife being rather ditzy and having a propensity for going the wrong way. It's not against the rules and probably wouldn't cause trouble but all the same I prefer for invisible GM's to see me having to stop and wait for said ditzy wife versus them seeing a character running around on autofollow all the time.

Danth

[Thulack]

I doubt it's that suspicious. Suggesting that the staff is too stupid to know folks will go AFK on occasion during the course of normal gameplay strikes me as insulting at best. Granted I tend not to use auto-follow, despite the wife being rather ditzy and having a propensity for going the wrong way. It's not against the rules and probably wouldn't cause trouble but all the same I prefer for invisible GM's to see me having to stop and wait for said ditzy wife versus them seeing a character running around on autofollow all the time.

Danth

If your afk though when GM comes to test you and your not back at PC quickly its instaban for both of you no excuses like you had diarrhea or you had to let the dog out etc. Is it really worth it? If someone gonna be afk more then 10 mins i would honestly camp. Not worth getting banned over cause i'm sure GM's have heard the story " my girlfriend is in the bathroom and you know how women are" before and dont buy it.

[Danth]

Perhaps that has happened to someone at some point. I don't know. I do know my own experience on here, and that includes times that I've been around Guides or GM's when the wife was sitting there AFK and we've had no trouble from it. The only folks I know who were banned for boxing were in fact boxing. Again, that's just my own experience. Having access to a character that can heal/buff/port you is a powerful temptation and some folks can't resist it.

If I get banned by some overzealous witch hunter at some future date, then I'll play a different game. I'm not going to lose sleep worrying about it in the meantime.

Danth

[Swish]

this thread sounds suspiciously like asking how to box and not get in trouble...

Like log in remotely to his "dad's work PC" from home and buff from there? Mhm.

[radditsu]

Like log in remotely to his "dad's work PC" from home and buff from there? Mhm.

Only good remote software that will render 3d is the chrome remote app...that I have seen.

[Derubael]

Going to be honest here.

Yes, this would probably raise red flags. Is there anything wrong with what you're asking to do? No, as long as you are never controlling that cleric, this isn't two boxing, and you aren't going to get in trouble.

Be aware, however, that we will often run two-box tests when people don't even know we are around or manipulating the situation to get a desired result. It's pretty obvious when its one person controlling two characters. If I were 'investigating' your two box, I would wait until your 'dad' moved, do a test without you even realizing it was happening, and then nail you if you failed.

tl;dr We don't punish innocent people. If you are twoboxing, we will know. Keep your hands off that second character ;)

[Kazi]

Going to be honest here.

Yes, this would probably raise red flags. Is there anything wrong with what you're asking to do? No, as long as you are never controlling that cleric, this isn't two boxing, and you aren't going to get in trouble.

Be aware, however, that we will often run two-box tests when people don't even know we are around or manipulating the situation to get a desired result. It's pretty obvious when its one person controlling two characters. If I were 'investigating' your two box, I would wait until your 'dad' moved, do a test without you even realizing it was happening, and then nail you if you failed.

tl;dr We don't punish innocent people. If you are twoboxing, we will know. Keep your hands off that second character ;)

That's pretty boss.

[imajester]

Going to be honest here.

Yes, this would probably raise red flags. Is there anything wrong with what you're asking to do? No, as long as you are never controlling that cleric, this isn't two boxing, and you aren't going to get in trouble.

Be aware, however, that we will often run two-box tests when people don't even know we are around or manipulating the situation to get a desired result. It's pretty obvious when its one person controlling two characters. If I were 'investigating' your two box, I would wait until your 'dad' moved, do a test without you even realizing it was happening, and then nail you if you failed.

tl;dr We don't punish innocent people. If you are twoboxing, we will know. Keep your hands off that second character ;)


Got to admit, I love that response.

[Champion_Standing]

This is such a believable story that this guy should get a free pass to box as much as he wants, go ahead Dad, log in and have some fun!

[twizztid]

I have heard that if GM's suspect you of boxing ( and they feel quite confident ) they will port the 2 accused characters to an obsticle course where they are to run it simultaniously... this is by word tho, not sure.

[fastboy21]

I have heard that if GM's suspect you of boxing ( and they feel quite confident ) they will port the 2 accused characters to an obsticle course where they are to run it simultaniously... this is by word tho, not sure.

thats pretty awesome. if you can do this as a two boxer, imo you deserve to be allowed to continue two boxing.

i played with a chanter last night that would prob fail to get through any course just 1-boxing...he should be banned as well.

[Dakidd4990]

Going to be honest here.

Yes, this would probably raise red flags. Is there anything wrong with what you're asking to do? No, as long as you are never controlling that cleric, this isn't two boxing, and you aren't going to get in trouble.

Be aware, however, that we will often run two-box tests when people don't even know we are around or manipulating the situation to get a desired result. It's pretty obvious when its one person controlling two characters. If I were 'investigating' your two box, I would wait until your 'dad' moved, do a test without you even realizing it was happening, and then nail you if you failed.

tl;dr We don't punish innocent people. If you are twoboxing, we will know. Keep your hands off that second character ;)Thanks for the response Derubael :) I fully understand how suspicious it looks/sounds so I'm just gonna not bother with it. Not worth all the hassle. I'll just wait til he's not working and has time to actually play :)

[Sgt1stClassPerkerwood]

Lol gm comes out and says 'don't worry, only 2boxxers get banned BC its easily testable'. Then OP says 'nah I don't want to look like a boxxer. Have a good one'.

Another 2boxxer thwarted.

[Clark]

Assuming you are legit for the sake of the discussion...

Your dad needs to camp out when not buffing you. He can alt tab from his spreadsheets to log back in when you need your rebuffs. Doing it with the regular AFKs will eventually get you banned.

[Agno]

Only good remote software that will render 3d is the chrome remote app...that I have seen.

Check out Splashtop... that's how I play most games from work :-D

[Artaenc]

Lol gm comes out and says 'don't worry, only 2boxxers get banned BC its easily testable'. Then OP says 'nah I don't want to look like a boxxer. Have a good one'.

Another 2boxxer thwarted.

I guess OP decided not to get his skills tested after all lol. JK no idea if he's legit or not, I agree now it looks even more suspicious.

[skipdog]

If your dad is afk most of the time, why not just have him /camp instead of alt-tabbing?

Seems like a simple and easy solution to me!

[Naerron]

If you have questions of this nature your best bet is use common sense. If you're legit then you're fine. If your dad is alt tabbing at his desk then you're ofc fine, if your dad is doing other stuff and your go over to his desk that's not ok...just only do it when your dad is
Actually at his desk lol...I don't even get the confusion on your end, unless you're paranoid about the cheating you're about to do, in which case you totally just got flagged on the radar.