Who else doesn't care if some people buy early access into Velious?

[Solb]

I for one, don't care. Why does it matter? if you want to enter Velious early, then pay the small fee. As much time you have spent on this game, playing on a server which you have contributed NOTHING to, why do you care, if some people are given the chance to pay a small fee to enter Velious, one week early? How is this going to hurt you, those of you not entering Velious early? How will this early entry do any damage to anyone? I don't know the reason why they decided to allow people early access who pay a fee, but, does it really matter? I am sure there is a good reason behind it.

[Archestratie]

I don't care.

[Artaenc]

I for one, don't care. Why does it matter? if you want to enter Velious early, then pay the small fee. As much time you have spent on this game, playing on a server which you have contributed NOTHING to, why do you care, if some people are given the chance to pay a small fee to enter Velious, one week early? How is this going to hurt you, those of you not entering Velious early? How will this early entry do any damage to anyone? I don't know the reason why they decided to allow people early access who pay a fee, but, does it really matter? I am sure there is a good reason behind it.

There's always going to be anal people out there in game or irl, this is going to end up in RnF for sure! I don't see why 5-7 days matters especially because there is no raid targets up during this time.

[shorttin]

I'm guessing you haven't actually read the multiple threads about this, because the affect this has on the server has been talked about to death. To recap:

Let's discuss a situation where there's Raid Guild A and Raid Guild B. Both of these guilds are full of players who play p99 for the competitive raiding scene. These guilds have been splitting the limited content of Kunark + Vanilla and have been waiting for years to compete where the game actually starts getting a bit more difficult - Velious.

But wait, Raid Guild A has a couple of very rich players. They buy 7 day Velious access for all of their Warriors and Clerics, as well as some Druids/Wizards and others. Raid Guild A then farms full sets of Kael and/or SS quest armor for themselves. Now their Warriors and Clerics have much better gear than Raid Guild B has been able to obtain. But that's not even the worst of it when you consider the keying situation in Velious. 90% of the raid content is in WW. To get there, you need to port to CS. But to be able to zone with the port, you need a key on your character, which is a ground spawn in CS - so you have to travel there before you can get ported there. The problem is that you need a key to get through SS into CS, which is a huge bottleneck when you're trying to get dozens of players through on day 1.

So, the real day 1 of Velious hits when everyone can zone in. Guild A is porting into CS while Guild B is waiting on the docks in Iceclad. By the time Guild B is running across Iceclad, Guild A is engaging on raid targets. The integrity of the day 1 raid competition is completely destroyed, because Guild A was able to take advantage of a 7 day headstart to bypass day 1 time sinks, bottlenecks, and gearing. This creates a snowball effect - now Guild A has quest gear, raid loot, ST keys, and all kinds of other advantages that will have an affect on the upcoming months of Velious raiding.

Yes, it is a problem and yes, it does affect people who aren't buying in.

[koros]

It's beta access. CTFO anyone who cares.

Edit: Nm, didn't read the $5000 level one.

[Artaenc]

good luck on this one. "Guild A then farms full sets of Kael and/or SS quest armor for themselves" You'll be lucky if you get 1 piece or get the right gem/faction for one.

[RiffDaemon]

As an eternal casual, I couldn't care less.

[drktmplr12]

good luck on this one. "Guild A then farms full sets of Kael and/or SS quest armor for themselves" You'll be lucky if you get 1 piece or get the right gem/faction for one.

You're right, this invalidates the entire point he is making...

It won't be that hard to get several gems for one group of players. They may not have full sets, but they will be damn close i promise you that.

This is a valid concern for Guild B. A large part of a raid's viability is the gear that clerics and warriors are wearing. It is simply unfair for A to have access to raid gear and keys prior to B.

[Shaakglith12194]

Keys are the big thing. Keys to cobalt scar to pick up the ground spawn at the port in spots. As far as I see it, good. Let them get their keys so there are fewer people waiting in line to complete their key quest to get into CS. That'll mean I can get mine sooner. Gratz on spending big dollars to make my life easier.

[fadetree]

I dont care.

[Nirgon]

Yeah heaven forbid you show your support for a game that won't be a WoW clone.

[Artaenc]

You're right, this invalidates the entire point he is making...

It won't be that hard to get several gems for one group of players. They may not have full sets, but they will be damn close i promise you that.

This is a valid concern for Guild B. A large part of a raid's viability is the gear that clerics and warriors are wearing. It is simply unfair for A to have access to raid gear and keys prior to B.

You should refrain from posting anything until you actually know what you're talking about. Just a suggestion, no need to blow a blood vessel on this one chief.

[formallydickman]

Yeah heaven forbid you show your support for a game that claims it won't be a WoW clone.

fixed that for ya. We don't really know jack shit about what the game will actually turn out to be, if it ever even comes to fruition.

[tristantio]

Not everyone has an equal footing for available time to play the game (some have more work/life obligations) - isn't that what you're saying, that it's unfair some people can't afford the donation to play early?

If you can't afford it and it's that important (to complain about etc.) maybe take some of that time spent in EQ earning some real cash to get yourself that early access.

[Artaenc]

fixed that for ya. We don't really know jack shit about what the game will actually turn out to be, if it ever even comes to fruition.

I agree but I chose to support it for a chance that Brad and team don't make another fail WoW clone. It looks like 2,642 people agree with me so far. I've played almost every single MMO out there and the entire time I'm thinking about EQ1 before SOE ruined it with xpacs after PoP

[Dezik]

I'm guessing you haven't actually read the multiple threads about this, because the affect this has on the server has been talked about to death. To recap:

Let's discuss a situation where there's Raid Guild A and Raid Guild B. Both of these guilds are full of players who play p99 for the competitive raiding scene. These guilds have been splitting the limited content of Kunark + Vanilla and have been waiting for years to compete where the game actually starts getting a bit more difficult - Velious.

But wait, Raid Guild A has a couple of very rich players. They buy 7 day Velious access for all of their Warriors and Clerics, as well as some Druids/Wizards and others. Raid Guild A then farms full sets of Kael and/or SS quest armor for themselves. Now their Warriors and Clerics have much better gear than Raid Guild B has been able to obtain. But that's not even the worst of it when you consider the keying situation in Velious. 90% of the raid content is in WW. To get there, you need to port to CS. But to be able to zone with the port, you need a key on your character, which is a ground spawn in CS - so you have to travel there before you can get ported there. The problem is that you need a key to get through SS into CS, which is a huge bottleneck when you're trying to get dozens of players through on day 1.

So, the real day 1 of Velious hits when everyone can zone in. Guild A is porting into CS while Guild B is waiting on the docks in Iceclad. By the time Guild B is running across Iceclad, Guild A is engaging on raid targets. The integrity of the day 1 raid competition is completely destroyed, because Guild A was able to take advantage of a 7 day headstart to bypass day 1 time sinks, bottlenecks, and gearing. This creates a snowball effect - now Guild A has quest gear, raid loot, ST keys, and all kinds of other advantages that will have an affect on the upcoming months of Velious raiding.

Yes, it is a problem and yes, it does affect people who aren't buying in.

Lol omg, how pathetic.

[drktmplr12]

You should refrain from posting anything until you actually know what you're talking about. Just a suggestion, no need to blow a blood vessel on this one chief.

Sorry for attempting to refute a point you made. Fuck me for trying.

At no point was I insulting or mad, why you feel the need to be.. idk.

[1203jjt]

Keys are the big thing. Keys to cobalt scar to pick up the ground spawn at the port in spots. As far as I see it, good. Let them get their keys so there are fewer people waiting in line to complete their key quest to get into CS. That'll mean I can get mine sooner. Gratz on spending big dollars to make my life easier.

+1

[Artaenc]

Sorry for attempting to refute a point you made. Fuck me for trying.

At no point was I insulting or mad, why you feel the need to be.. idk.

All I'm saying is get more info first if possible. Glad you didn't blow a blood vessel over my reply though :)

[NextGenesis88]

WTS a rats ass

[NextGenesis88]

edit: woops I went to reply to a different thread but somehow it replied here. weird.

[myriverse]

I don't care.
The whole "gotta be first" mentality is idiotic... but we're free to be.

[xexbis0]

I would rather every single account that donates get a No-Drop Cloak of Flames and Fungi Tunic than see people rolling into Velious early.

Sorry, but the whole race and the feeling that everyone just got unleashed upon new terrain at once is the biggest thrill of the actual Velious release. Not the gear. Not the content.

Seeing that boat full of 2000 people...Early access is just crap and something I wouldn't have expected from a server dedicated to providing the CLASSIC Everquest experience.

Definitely disappointed.

[BahamutDF]

I don't care one bit. The server is not owned by me, it is owned by the the GM team here. They have the right to do what they want and how they want it, and you know what? I fully respect that. More power to them.

All I care about is one simple fact: because of what they've done, we all have the ability to play the best MMO ever released in its best form. Again. For free.

IMO, and this is strictly my opinion so those who disagree don't flame me, I think some of you who are REALLY outspoken against this are entitled and ungrateful and coming from an entirely relativistic moral perspective.

I want to repeat something; this is a game. EQ is a game. Stop treating it like srs bzness. Everyone will have (hopefully) years to get all the pixels they want in Velious. And I wager there will come a time when half of you are, in the same entitled prose, screaming to the high heavens for Luclin to be released, just so there's some "fresh" content.


I'm here to make friends, not enemies. But I have a very difficult time with some of the bitchfesting that is going on over here over what is essentially a nonstarter. The devs have made a decision and are sticking with it. Furthermore, they are within every inch of their rights to do as they see fit. If you really are that unhappy, create your own emu server or go play somewhere else. It's the honest truth.

Of course you can express your disdain over the decision, but that has already been done over and over again. The devs already made their remarks and the decision is final. Case closed.

[Triangle]

Go fuck yourself bahamutdf with your 3 posts. If you don't get it us old timers are worried about this because we care about the quality and integrity of the server. One nice thing about classic eq was there was no sanctioned rmt. All new mmos seem to have it so you can exchange money for loot

Again go fuck yourself.

[whitebandit]

Go fuck yourself bahamutdf with your 3 posts. If you don't get it us old timers are worried about this because we care about the quality and integrity of the server. One nice thing about classic eq was there was no sanctioned rmt. All new mmos seem to have it so you can exchange money for loot

Again go fuck yourself.

old timers?

quit bitching dude

[Bazia]

u heard the man, he googled classic eq before u

therefore he is right

[Triangle]

And secondly I would be happy to donate money to Nilbog and rogaen even if they used it for a nice vacation or a good bottle of champagne to celebrate Velious release. What I am not cool with is donating to some drugged out has been who plans to maybe release a game in 3 years
If you haven't noticed brad tells everyone exactly what they want to hear about the game but there is nothing of substance there. Indeed why wouldn't he tell people what they want to hear when they are all to eager to open their wallets and toss him 800000

[Bazia]

rogean wants this game to get made

how about showing some god damn gratitude to the staff for providing you with a free and the only classic eq server in existence by supporting them

rogean asks one favor and adds incentives to get people to donate and you assasinate his character and decisions

such an ungrateful worm

[Triangle]

old timers?

quit bitching dude

No dude. People complain about all types of trivial shit on these boards and I am well within my rights to complain about something that matters to a lot of this servers population

You can go fuck yourself too btw

[whitebandit]

No dude. People complain about all types of trivial shit on these boards and I am well within my rights to complain about something that matters to a lot of this servers population

You can go fuck yourself too btw

no, you?

[Triangle]

Unfortunately my thread where I tried to be ultra reasonable and explain my position to the gms was locked arbitrarily. So now, in response, I'm going to shit up this pos thread because most of its supporters are a bunch of fucking muppets.

[Portasaurus]

Sirken... not trying to get my pixels deleted or anything, but you seem to have closed the "Informal Petition Against Buying Into Early Velious" thread (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138573) which was collecting signatures and [mostly] thoughtful responses regarding the Panthon drive (and a handful of bad-apple responses, sure... it's a forum on the internet after all).

This thread (opposing the dissent) has arguably far-more toxic and nasty content than the informal petition thread, yet this one remains open for reply.

Sup with that?

Please let us out of your mind box!!

Also, don't delete my account please?

Thanks,
-Portasaurus
-Greengrocer

[Marglar]

I could care less. enjoy your early access and early pixels, the money is going to a good cause, and it breaks nothing.

I don't personally need or want velious early access, I still can't wrap my brain around why it's such a big deal to folks though.

[Ennewi]

/shrug

[Triangle]

Sirken... not trying to get my pixels deleted or anything, but you seem to have closed the "Informal Petition Against Buying Into Early Velious" thread (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138573) which was collecting signatures and [mostly] thoughtful responses regarding the Panthon drive (and a handful of bad-apple responses, sure... it's a forum on the internet after all).

This thread (opposing the dissent) has arguably far-more toxic and nasty content than the informal petition thread, yet this one remains open for reply.

Sup with that?

Please let us out of your mind box!!

Also, don't delete my account please?

Thanks,
-Portasaurus
-Greengrocer

Thank you porta 100% agree and thanks for sticking your neck out here as well. Quite pissed that they closed that thread because there was a lot of support behind it.

[Portasaurus]

Thank you porta 100% agree and thanks for sticking your neck out here as well. Quite pissed that they closed that thread because there was a lot of support behind it.

Yeah and I applaud you for your efforts trying to get reasonable discussion going about this. However, I think you could have taken a couple deep breaths before writing your last message, though. Sabotaging this thread is not the right thing to do. Trust me, though... I understand your frustration.

[Triangle]

Prob right man. This thread does suck balls tho =p

[Mehrk]

Making threads to talk about how cool you are because you don't care about whoring out loot/access for money when you could have just said it in the week old announcement post... why.

Fortunately it looks like it will probably be lost in the void of rnf soon.

[Burrito]

Sirken... not trying to get my pixels deleted or anything, but you seem to have closed the "Informal Petition Against Buying Into Early Velious" thread (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138573) which was collecting signatures and [mostly] thoughtful responses regarding the Panthon drive (and a handful of bad-apple responses, sure... it's a forum on the internet after all).

This thread (opposing the dissent) has arguably far-more toxic and nasty content than the informal petition thread, yet this one remains open for reply.

Sup with that?

Please let us out of your mind box!!

Also, don't delete my account please?

Thanks,
-Portasaurus
-Greengrocer

Gotta earn favors now with the pantheon dev team.

[Tasslehofp99]

Early access to velious for only those who can afford it will ruin p99.


It should be like " if you all donate this much collectively, early velious for everyone."

[loramin]

It should be like " if you all donate this much collectively, early velious for everyone."

I'd RMT for that.

[Danth]

I figure the folks who'll beat me due to a 7 day headstart would beat me without it anyway. They're strongly motivated to progress in EQ as quickly as possible and I'm, well, not. Not sure why there's such a rush to want to burn up Velious content anyway when we'll be stuck with it for a good while. The folks (the same folks, often enough) who blew through Kunark inside 6 months must be awfully bored by now. History repeats itself I suppose.

Don't care much about Pantheon for now. All the same I hope it succeeds; this genre has seen way too many failures.

Danth

[Buellen]

gues what early access will not ruin anything

1. you and any other player will still get to experience when rest of us get access

2. for all those crying if you feel so strongly about this then move on. No amount of complain/ crying will change what GM have decided and implemented. IF you the players who feel this is going to ruin your immersion feel so strongly, then you can stop playing. This will save you the mental torture/ jealousy you are going through because some folks for whatever reason are going to touch your precious veliuos before you.

3. "WAH WAH WAH IT'S THE PRINCIPLE WE ALL SHOULD GO IN SAME TIME. " guess what it already happened what 15 years ago. nothing you can do short of inventing time travel will let you get that moment back.

4. I could afford to donate an get early access but i choose not to. I could care less that some folks are accessing velious early.

[Tasslehofp99]

Selective early access ruins the integrity of the server.

It would be like a fresh p99 opening and only allowing those who donate to camp guise/manastone.

[Shaakglith12194]

Hey, remember when there was that legends server? Didn't dudes get early access to xpacs on that server? Doesn't that make this classic?

[Tasslehofp99]

Hey, remember when there was that legends server? Didn't dudes get early access to xpacs on that server? Doesn't that make this classic?

that was on it's own server though, we're all on one server here.

[Took]

It matters. A lot.

[Buellen]

Selective early access ruins the integrity of the server.

It would be like a fresh p99 opening and only allowing those who donate to camp guise/manastone.


Guess what your "vision of integrity " does not matter , the only one that matter is the server admin and owners.

you , me , and everyone else view on what is proper for this server does not matter, do you honestly think that admin didn't think what implications early access might have?

get over yourself and realize YOU / ME and the of players base here just enjoy their sandbox.

[Shaakglith12194]

that was on it's own server though, we're all on one server here.

Oh, so you're saying that some people getting early access to content while others do not IS classic. Thanks for clearing that up. So would people be more accepting of this if donators got put on their own server for 7 days with velious access + raid mobs and then put back on this server with all their new loots? It's classic, nobody put up much of a stink back in the day screaming, "This is going to RUIN server integrity!" and those players from the legend server actually DID get items that other servers didn't get. I hope half the server gets early access so that I have fewer people to fight over that CS key when the rest of us get access.

[Joyelle]

Only people who are bothered by the early access are those who care way too much about a video game.

[Tasslehofp99]

Oh, so you're saying that some people getting early access to content while others do not IS classic. Thanks for clearing that up. So would people be more accepting of this if donators got put on their own server for 7 days with velious access + raid mobs and then put back on this server with all their new loots? It's classic, nobody put up much of a stink back in the day screaming, "This is going to RUIN server integrity!" and those players from the legend server actually DID get items that other servers didn't get. I hope half the server gets early access so that I have fewer people to fight over that CS key when the rest of us get access.

Some players having access to the legends server where they had access ahead of time to content because they paid extra each month isn't the same as certain players on ONE server gaining early access to content ahead of other players on that same server. If it was early beta access, that would be a different story.

[Bazia]

the ungratefulness of these hyper-nerds knows no bounds

support rogean, he deserves it

[Tasslehofp99]

the ungratefulness of these hyper-nerds knows no bounds

support rogean, he deserves it

I have no problem donating to project1999. I have no issue with people supporting pantheon even. My only issue is the fact that some players will be going to Velious before others. I initially thought that some people would be given early beta access, which would've been fine too.

I'm entitled to my opinion as you are to yours, I don't think that is being ungrateful though. I think that when people invest as much time as some folks do into this server that they would enjoy a bit of integrity/level playing field across the board, that is all.

[Buellen]

I have no problem donating to project1999. I have no issue with people supporting pantheon even. My only issue is the fact that some players will be going to Velious before others. I initially thought that some people would be given early beta access, which would've been fine too.

I'm entitled to my opinion as you are to yours, I don't think that is being ungrateful though. I think that when people invest as much time as some folks do into this server that they would enjoy a bit of integrity/level playing field across the board, that is all.

you are entitled to opinion granted and respected.

SHOW me where its says on the server rules "every player will have a level playing field when playing this game." no where is that stated to my knowledge. you keep saying integrity like it is some sort of goal or a idol on a pedestal. Yourself / myself / rest of player base has their own interpretation of what integrity of the server should be. these views are not important only the view of the server admins matters. IT is obvious that the admin have set the path they want us to follow.

[Euth]

it's an F'ing game. if the guys that run the server in their spare time for free want to use it to push support towards a game they want to see made, I don't see that anyone should begrudge them that. Again, these are pixels and this isn't real life people. Get over it

[Triangle]

you are entitled to opinion granted and respected.

SHOW me where its says on the server rules "every player will have a level playing field when playing this game." no where is that stated to my knowledge. you keep saying integrity like it is some sort of goal or a idol on a pedestal. Yourself / myself / rest of player base has their own interpretation of what integrity of the server should be. these views are not important only the view of the server admins matters. IT is obvious that the admin have set the path they want to follow your view of what integrity is not theirs and should be not be forced upon the rest of use.

It may not say such a thing but it is implied based on precedent. This server has existed for a very long time. At no point in time, until now, could you spend real life money to get in game advantages (at least from the server GMs).

The integrity of the server is indeed diminished by this act, and whether people like you disagree does not matter.

And I certainly do not agree that only the views of the server admins matter. Afterall, if they want people to donate to some piece of shit vaporware they need actual people <us> to do it

[Sirelk]

I don't care. I hope Brad can make this game. Go baby, go!

[Buellen]

It may not say such a thing but it is implied based on precedent. This server has existed for a very long time. At no point in time, until now, could you spend real life money to get in game advantages (at least from the server GMs).

The integrity of the server is indeed diminished by this act, and whether people like you disagree does not matter.

And I certainly do not agree that only the views of the server admins matter. Afterall, if they want people to donate to some piece of shit vaporware they need actual people <us> to do it

YOUR view of integrity. again you seem to focus on what YOU think integrity of this server is. ME / YOU / rest of us does not matter in this point. If the admin choose to continue making it so you can get perks for donating that is THEIR CHOICE. your choice along with the rest of use can decide if we want to play in the environment. Guess what 6months down the line most of use will still be here.

If you choose to support the game or not its not is your choice. I long way of thinking i have said it before you don't like what the owners of this box have done then put your money where mouth and move on. Continuing to complain about it here in the 5 to 10 threads about this subject is not going to change it.

Im out continue to chew this dead subject if you so wish I am done on it.

[Tasslehofp99]

YOUR view of integrity. again you seem to focus on what YOU think integrity of this server is. ME / YOU / rest of us does not matter in this point. If the admin choose to continue making it so you can get perks for donating that is THEIR CHOICE. your choice along with the rest of use can decide if we want to play in the environment. Guess what 6months down the line most of use will still be here.

If you choose to support the game or not its not is your choice. I long way of thinking i have said it before you don't like what the owners of this box have done then put your money where mouth and move on. Continuing to complain about it here in the 5 to 10 threads about this subject is not going to change it.

Im out continue to chew this dead subject if you so wish I am done on it.



Wut?

Integrity is a fairly simply defined word.

When the topic on hand (ingame perks for RL cash) is completely against all previously advertised policies on p99, i'd say the integrity goes down overall. I don't see how you can argue against this really.

Do I really care enough that I won't play here anymore? No, like you said.

Will velious still be fun, knowing people had access to it before me just because they have RL cash to.buy perks? Prolly not as fun as it would've been.

Will I still play during velious launch? Probably.

Do I blame the devs? Not really, just honestly confused by the sudden flip-flop in policy regarding RMT. That is what this is after all, right?

[Solb]

The seriousness in which some people discuss this topic blows me away. You'd think we were discussing some sort of large scale, political change of real world events! Instead we are talking about access to an expansion of a game, one week earlier than others who CHOOSE to not gain early access via paying a fee!

We all are entitled to an opinion. My opinion is that some of you, especially those of you raging out over this precedent should go outside, take a walk for about 2-3 months, and when you are thinking clearly again, only then, log in and start playing eq1 p1999. It's not that serious bros. It's not.

[Splorf22]

The seriousness in which some people discuss this topic blows me away. You'd think we were discussing some sort of large scale, political change of real world events! Instead we are talking about access to an expansion of a game, one week earlier than others who CHOOSE to not gain early access via paying a fee!

We all are entitled to an opinion. My opinion is that some of you, especially those of you raging out over this precedent should go outside, take a walk for about 2-3 months, and when you are thinking clearly again, only then, log in and start playing eq1 p1999. It's not that serious bros. It's not.

gay

[Byrjun]

lol @ not gaining early entry to Velious being a "choice."

Alright Solb, I've chosen to take the 7 day early access. Would you like my paypal info so you can send me that $500?

[Barthorn]

i make threads about stuff i dont care about thats how much i dont care and when i do care i make posts on threads that dont care

[Shaakglith12194]

Some players having access to the legends server where they had access ahead of time to content because they paid extra each month isn't the same as certain players on ONE server gaining early access to content ahead of other players on that same server. If it was early beta access, that would be a different story.

Except you seem to be forgetting the common practice of players to join the Legends server, get geared up raiding in the span of a couple weeks or a month, and then come back to their original server totally pimped out. It happened quite a lot. It's exactly the same thing. It's classic.

[Triangle]

YOUR view of integrity. again you seem to focus on what YOU think integrity of this server is. ME / YOU / rest of us does not matter in this point. If the admin choose to continue making it so you can get perks for donating that is THEIR CHOICE. your choice along with the rest of use can decide if we want to play in the environment. Guess what 6months down the line most of use will still be here.

If you choose to support the game or not its not is your choice. I long way of thinking i have said it before you don't like what the owners of this box have done then put your money where mouth and move on. Continuing to complain about it here in the 5 to 10 threads about this subject is not going to change it.

Im out continue to chew this dead subject if you so wish I am done on it.

You may be out but you still need to be set straight. You must be some liberal artist college student who believes in moral relativism. If a large group of people believes something is morally acceptable that does not automatically make it morally acceptable because, what if for example, that large group of people believed in eating live babies? Clearly that would not be morally acceptable.

Why did I bring up such an off the wall thing? Well the same general line of thought applies in this case. You seem to be arguing that the admins can do whatever they want and it will be in line with the integrity of the server. I am not arguing that they cannot do whatever they want, but I am arguing that certain choices they make could and will ruin this server's integrity.

GMs allowing people to spend real money to get in game perks has never been acceptable and does not get to be acceptable in this case either. Everquest has been and should continue to be an escape from real life, where your character gets better based on the time and effort you put into it. Such an idea is circumvented when you can just spend your real life cash.

For fucks sake, I have 19,000 in my damn checking account right now, I could buy the 7 day early access thing and not even notice the money was gone. But I am not enough of an idiot to do that, first of all, and second I still argue that this plan is bad for the server based on the above.

[Splorf22]

TL;DR: the only thing stupider than 'competing' via tracking is 'competing' via donation size.

[radditsu]

You may be out but you still need to be set straight. You must be some liberal artist college student who believes in moral relativism. If a large group of people believes something is morally acceptable that does not automatically make it morally acceptable because, what if for example, that large group of people believed in eating live babies? Clearly that would not be morally acceptable.

Why did I bring up such an off the wall thing? Well the same general line of thought applies in this case. You seem to be arguing that the admins can do whatever they want and it will be in line with the integrity of the server. I am not arguing that they cannot do whatever they want, but I am arguing that certain choices they make could and will ruin this server's integrity.

GMs allowing people to spend real money to get in game perks has never been acceptable and does not get to be acceptable in this case either. Everquest has been and should continue to be an escape from real life, where your character gets better based on the time and effort you put into it. Such an idea is circumvented when you can just spend your real life cash.

For fucks sake, I have 19,000 in my damn checking account right now, I could buy the 7 day early access thing and not even notice the money was gone. But I am not enough of an idiot to do that, first of all, and second I still argue that this plan is bad for the server based on the above.


Shit . You need to invest. Your money aint working for you in a checking account.

[webrunner5]

i make threads about stuff i dont care about thats how much i dont care and when i do care i make posts on threads that dont care

Would read again. What I really mean is I need to read this about 6 times to understand it lol. :eek:

[Triangle]

Shit . You need to invest. Your money aint working for you in a checking account.

Well that was kind of my point, its not all i have its just what i have that's "expendable" for bills/fun etc

[Rhambuk]

Early access to velious for donating to pantheon?

Not Classic Bro!

[Babizul]

rogean wants this game to get made

how about showing some god damn gratitude to the staff for providing you with a free and the only classic eq server in existence by supporting them

rogean asks one favor and adds incentives to get people to donate and you assasinate his character and decisions

such an ungrateful worm

I agree with this.

[Babizul]

The seriousness in which some people discuss this topic blows me away. You'd think we were discussing some sort of large scale, political change of real world events! Instead we are talking about access to an expansion of a game, one week earlier than others who CHOOSE to not gain early access via paying a fee!

We all are entitled to an opinion. My opinion is that some of you, especially those of you raging out over this precedent should go outside, take a walk for about 2-3 months, and when you are thinking clearly again, only then, log in and start playing eq1 p1999. It's not that serious bros. It's not.

A free game that emulates an older version of the real game that is also 14 years old**

[Technyze]

Anything for Pantheon! ANYTHING!

[Rhambuk]

The only thing I care about, which probably won't even affect this, is the classic timeline. i'm assuming the timeline will follow the public release date and not this 1week prerelease

[hatelore]

Early access to velious for donating to pantheon?

Not Classic Bro!

[myriverse]

Wut?
Integrity is a fairly simply defined word.
Only generally. Integrity simply means soundness. How to reach that soundness is purely subjective, whether you're talking about morals or gaming servers.

[Mickets]

I agree with this.

At first I was a lil mad but I have to agree with this as well.

[Solb]

i make threads about stuff i dont care about thats how much i dont care and when i do care i make posts on threads that dont care

Obviously, threads can't care...