The Next Fix: Blue Copies

[heartbrand]

Why: Because this server needs an influx of new blood. Unfortunately, due to the essentially ghost town scenario that new players enter into when they roll here combined with the small but vocal toxic masses, most people don't survive here. This would provide an influx of new players, lead to more guilds, more pvp, more exp groups, a better economy, and a more mature player base.

How: Naked. Plenty of people will be ready to toss items out to those who copy over. While personally I don't mind if people had items, this is the best way to minimize tears. Limit copy to one character per emu account.

The negatives: people are sitting on dozens of characters and could copy lots of characters over. However, I think this negative is a bit overstated since there's already an abundance of characters on red there's just no drivers for said characters.

The positives: instant pop influx. More mature player base.

ForumQuest Engage!

[Kanzar]

not a terrible idea, but how do the people who don't know anyone on red get geared? other than the HB handouts lol

[Kergan]

I guess I just fundamentally disagree with having a 60 leveled in the sheltered environment of blue copied over to red. And if anything is done it would have to be a move not a copy...or you're just going to have a bunch of hordes of blue people wanting to fuck around when they have nothing to do on their servers.

[SamwiseRed]

im gonna have to disagree with this. you are getting 2 chars for the investment of one. would totally make the server feel more like a gimmick than a legit classic pvp server. i dont agree with transfers either.

[big mouth chew]

Didnt read but as a community we've had more than enough of your "fixes". Shouldnt you be zerging some uncontested npc while the rest of us work?

[heartbrand]

To the people against this, I ask you: where will the large influx of new players needed to make this server "alive" ever come from? We can put in fixes to maintain or slightly bolster the server pop, and thankfully the staff has done just that (thanks!). But if we ever hope to be more than just barely surviving, we need a big influx. I see no other way to ever make that happen.

The problem with transfers vs copies is that it requires people to commit to something they haven't tried. You need to let people test drive the car before you force them to sign the bill of sale.

[Genedin]

This is why I refer to Chewie as the AIDS of the box.

"After Chewie enters the server, it piggybacks onto a T cell and works its way inside of that cell. Once inside, the virus completely takes over the T cell and uses it as a virus-making factory to make a lot of copies of itself. The newly made viruses then leave the T cell and go on to infect and destroy other healthy T cells as they continue to multiply inside the body. T cells invaded by the virus can no longer properly fight infections."


http://i.imgur.com/ad7hqZb.jpg (http://imgur.com/ad7hqZb)


Can't argue with it. It doesn't think, it doesn't reason. Its soul purpose to exist is to harm and spread its decaying infection.

[big mouth chew]

Know how I know im great? Even people that dont play on my server have crushes on me

<3 u 2 random forum dweller!

[heartbrand]

There's no gimmick left in the bags that can bring a massive influx of new blood. Wipe? Not happening. Exp boost? Brings a few, not many. Velious? Will also be out in blue so will serve to only bring already existing red players back.

My desire is to see this box average 300-350 players a night. Who cares if it's "blue players fucking around"? Great! That means pvp, exp groups. It means they might enjoy it and bring their guild over and their friends. It means a massive amount of new players!

[Kergan]

To the people against this, I ask you: where will the large influx of new players needed to make this server "alive" ever come from? We can put in fixes to maintain or slightly bolster the server pop, and thankfully the staff has done just that (thanks!). But if we ever hope to be more than just barely surviving, we need a big influx. I see no other way to ever make that happen.

The problem with transfers vs copies is that it requires people to commit to something they haven't tried. You need to let people test drive the car before you force them to sign the bill of sale.

Giving people free level 60s isn't going to keep them here. Without any time investment there is no attachment at all. And do you really want people who are just on R99 for the free character?

If it was a one way transfer with no gear at least only the people who are truly willing to give it a shot would come.

Or in reality, the server scum and villains who've used up all their chances on blue will be able to have a fresh start. We'd become a penal colony, but at least we'd have people.

[HippoNipple]

I played on blue before red opened and I hated how crowded the server felt. I think it would be nice to even out the server population for both communities.

If there are 1300 people logged in I think everyone would enjoy both servers more if it was split 800/500.

I don't condone any changes to be made to make the current red server anymore blue than it has become but would like some creative solutions to get some of those players to join Red.

If players are copied I would love for those to have the opportunity to give red a try. I would not like the influx of characters brought over by players already playing on red though and I am one that would do this personally.

[Tradesonred]

Why: Because this server needs an influx of new blood. Unfortunately, due to the essentially ghost town scenario that new players enter into when they roll here combined with the small but vocal toxic masses, most people don't survive here. This would provide an influx of new players, lead to more guilds, more pvp, more exp groups, a better economy, and a more mature player base.

How: Naked. Plenty of people will be ready to toss items out to those who copy over. While personally I don't mind if people had items, this is the best way to minimize tears. Limit copy to one character per emu account.

The negatives: people are sitting on dozens of characters and could copy lots of characters over. However, I think this negative is a bit overstated since there's already an abundance of characters on red there's just no drivers for said characters.

The positives: instant pop influx. More mature player base.

ForumQuest Engage!

Maybe have one character per month being able to copy or something

[Kergan]

There's no gimmick left in the bags that can bring a massive influx of new blood. Wipe? Not happening. Exp boost? Brings a few, not many. Velious? Will also be out in blue so will serve to only bring already existing red players back.

My desire is to see this box average 300-350 players a night. Who cares if it's "blue players fucking around"? Great! That means pvp, exp groups. It means they might enjoy it and bring their guild over and their friends. It means a massive amount of new players!

That's not what it means at all. It means a bunch of level 60s (why would you copy here pre 60 and level up while getting PVP'd?) with nothing better to do then fuck with people when they're bored. Everyone trying to level up legitimately would get pounded on by PVP bots naked who don't give a shit about their reputation or anyone on R99.

It might mean PVP but it wouldn't be good PVP. It would be like squashing an unending stream of cockroaches that offer no challenge and are nothing but a nuisance.

You might gain a few players but you'd lose a lot more.

[heartbrand]

Listen, there are definitely drawbacks to this, I admit it in the OP. This isn't an idea situation to be in. But when you're facing a 100 pop server that's critically ill, you need to pursue some risky treatment like you would if you were facing terminal cancer. It's my opinion that is rather sacrifice some of the "integrity" and deal with the side effects of copies or transfers if it meant doubling our pop potentially tripling it. I think the good would outweigh the bad. Maybe cap the copies at level 50 then? I'm not a fan of that but I think it could be a good compromise.

[heartbrand]

That's not what it means at all. It means a bunch of level 60s (why would you copy here pre 60 and level up while getting PVP'd?) with nothing better to do then fuck with people when they're bored. Everyone trying to level up legitimately would get pounded on by PVP bots naked who don't give a shit about their reputation or anyone on R99.

It might mean PVP but it wouldn't be good PVP. It would be like squashing an unending stream of cockroaches that offer no challenge and are nothing but a nuisance.

You might gain a few players but you'd lose a lot more.

People pvping and being lame without fear of their reputation? Sounds like red99 already.

[HippoNipple]

Giving people free level 60s isn't going to keep them here. Without any time investment there is no attachment at all. And do you really want people who are just on R99 for the free character?

If it was a one way transfer with no gear at least only the people who are truly willing to give it a shot would come.

Or in reality, the server scum and villains who've used up all their chances on blue will be able to have a fresh start. We'd become a penal colony, but at least we'd have people.

Maybe characters from blue being copied over that are level 40+ could come to red as a level 40 with sol temple gear. If they are melee some standard melee weapon. People established on this server can hit 40 in 2 days with twinking/PL anyways. If players on blue had a chance to give the server a try with nothing to lose I think a level 40 would be encouraging.

Throwing people into Red in the 50-60 range my be too discouraging anyways. The people transferring over would hopefully have some people with their pvp skill and gear to fight against and get to know before hitting 52.

[big mouth chew]

Hey its not your box, why not "play or dont" like he rest of us and keep your grubby mitts off dev decisions FOR A CHANGE!

[heartbrand]

Again, if not this, what are other people's suggestions for the absolutely abysmal new player rate on this server with the ghost town environment and complete abcense of exp groups from 1-60? To say "deal with it" seems meh to me.

[Kergan]

A copy is just a free character. Everyone will do it because there is no downside. Even if you never log it in you might as well. Same reason I have like 5 max level characters in TERA and EQ2...they gave them away so I took the 10 seconds to login and create them.

You might see a higher population but it will completely lack substance. That number is meaningless if it isn't people competing and putting effort into the server. I could run around the office and install EQ on every computer and create a level 1. Boom, +50 population...but meaningless just like this would be.

[heartbrand]

I disagree with your belief on that. Not much more I can say but I respect your view nonetheless!

[Tradesonred]

A copy is just a free character. Everyone will do it because there is no downside. Even if you never log it in you might as well. Same reason I have like 5 max level characters in TERA and EQ2...they gave them away so I took the 10 seconds to login and create them.

You might see a higher population but it will completely lack substance. That number is meaningless if it isn't people competing and putting effort into the server. I could run around the office and install EQ on every computer and create a level 1. Boom, +50 population...but meaningless just like this would be.

Then copy at lvl40, naked then, or level 50. Thats one of the reasons why i suggested a wipe, cuz people log in and face a brick wall of a solid month of soloing before theyll encounter any pop.

[HippoNipple]

Again, if not this, what are other people's suggestions for the absolutely abysmal new player rate on this server with the ghost town environment and complete abcense of exp groups from 1-60? To say "deal with it" seems meh to me.

I think copying them over as level 40's would be good. I don't think the players on blue would even enjoy coming in at 60 and dealing with PvP like that from the beginning.

When you think of players coming over from blue I think the ones that would be good assets to the server would come over in small groups or possibly entire guilds. If they came over as 40's they could group up and see how much is for the taking on red compared to the overcrowded blue and may enjoy it.

[heartbrand]

I could see 40 being decent for a compromise as well.

[big mouth chew]

Play or Dont

[Tradesonred]

Play or Dont

http://codinghorror.typepad.com/.a/6a0120a85dcdae970b012877707dd5970c-pi

Chewie, a true american patriot

[Vamael]

I DO NOT FEAR BLUE PIXELS!!! BRING IT!

[Nirgon]

not a terrible idea, but how do the people who don't know anyone on red get geared? other than the HB handouts lol

Imagine a server where everything isn't available in EC tunnel for free/50plat.

I know this is mind blowing for many.

You can pound out 400k in 6 months playing P99 blue as a 60 if you aren't an idiot and buy a bag of raid gear. Shit ain't classic 2 me. But, hey, the server has population and PvE fixes get all the attention. Not that I'm complainin' bout some gr8 EQ PvE mechanics, love them shits.

[Smedy]

I dont support blue copies, i might support blue "movers" but with droppables and certain no drops removed.

I think server will pick back up with this new respawn script and velious, just give it some time

[heartbrand]

The issue this is meant to address is how difficult and uninviting this server is to new comers. This was meant as a way to quickly get people from Blue into the level range where they can actually play this game with other human beings [46+]. If someone has another suggestion of how to do so other than "TOUGH LUCK LULZ" please enlighten me. [Mine is boxing, but Nilbog has stated that boxing is basically 100% out of the question, so I did not bother suggesting that, and in all fairness boxing DOES come with a lot more issues than a one time copy or transfer with no items and potentially level capped comes with]

[heartbrand]

I dont support blue copies, i might support blue "movers" but with droppables and certain no drops removed.

I think server will pick back up with this new respawn script and velious, just give it some time

Unfortunately with the Azrael split 7.0, I think respawns are basically meaningless on this server and we'll see Nihilum get 100% of them. I've been on this server from the start. The player base here is incredibly toxic. The people I enjoy the most playing with are the fresh faces I recruited such as Lawlzies / Ryser / Pikrib amongst many others. We need more new players like this and less of the same old recycled Stasis like players.

[Vamael]

There is no way that the blue players have more gear the nihilum as it is, and its not like they have anything better than our competition to begin with. This is why i think blue transfers of lvl 60 players and their gear is ok, just not droppable to ruin the market.

[Vamael]

I mean whats the worst that could happen? VP geared toons vs vp geared toons? lol

[Kergan]

VP geared toons with no PVP experience that will turn their gaze to easy targets the first time they get rolled. Good luck keeping legitimate people around who want to level up in that shitstorm.

[heartbrand]

I personally wouldn't mind gear / level 60, but it's clear this would need to be a compromise, and that would mean no gear and some sort of level cap. How do people feel about level 46 naked?

[HippoNipple]

Maybe you could give people an option that way. Either a copy that becomes a level 40 with limited gear or an actual move of the character with only no drop/main hand/offhand items.

[Kergan]

I pick option 3: no copies or transfers.

[big mouth chew]

I pick option 3: no copies or transfers.

[diplo]

the red community has an acquired taste that i don't think blue ppl can handle. once they taste that spice, they'll go back to their bland meals.

[heartbrand]

the red community has an acquired taste that i don't think blue ppl can handle. once they taste that spice, they'll go back to their bland meals.

You're right, with the trickle effect of a few new players here and there that's what occurs. However, with something like copy/transfers you get a huge influx of players who can then make their own relationships with each other, create new guilds, and help completely change the culture here.

[big mouth chew]

Dont we have an exp bonus? If they wanted to play here they would be here by now...

[Kinamara]

OP is the first suggestion in a while from the red dawn side of of the forum war in a while that I'd support. Anything for more players who want to play, and idgaf if they bring full vp gear and epics tbh.

[heartbrand]

OP is the first suggestion in a while from the red dawn side of of the war in a while that I'd support. Anything for more players who want to play, and idgaf if they bring full vp gear and epics tbh.

That's how I feel 100%. [I thought you supported repops tho?]

[HippoNipple]

Dont we have an exp bonus? If they wanted to play here they would be here by now...

Obviously people from blue like Everquest. Red is the only other server that resembles blue99. The population is way out of balance and the point of the thread is do people have any ideas on how to tip the scale to be maybe a 30%/70% split.

There are three things you can contribute to this thread before making your exit.

1) An idea to accomplish this
2) Constructive changes to a previous posters idea
3) State you don't want more people on this server and leave it at that

[Kinamara]

I don't like the timed repops much as they can be influenced by people.

Ideal case from my point of view would be that there was a mob or two to fight everyday [at random times of the day!], but people should know the time in advance so there's a chance to plan for it. For example if trak is killed at 6am one week, he should spawn 6am the next week (3 days later or whatever the actual respawn is on that..).

The scenario i don't like about the current model is that if one guild goes to VS, the other guild will go to another mob and kill it without pvp. I hope our guild has the balls to just place a scout in every zone and fight red dawn whereever they decide to go though, or the other way around :-)

[big mouth chew]

Server is already thriving. No free rides.

[Tradesonred]

I think the server is doomed, some of you read what i thought in my novel of a post. But yeah if red is going to attempt to survive its not on this shriveling pop of angst filled, immature, inbred, snake eating its own tail type of players that its going to. It needs a pop influx.

[karsten]

Without any time investment there is no attachment at all...If it was a one way transfer with no gear at least only the people who are truly willing to give it a shot would come.

i'm on board with people from blue, but this is the only way to do it

[Tradesonred]

Also dont get me wrong, im immature sometimes. Just that maybe 4th grade antics is pushing it a bit.

Watching this video yesterday, thought immediately of red99 pop playin the server instead of watchin TV lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6otjCKg594

"We dont even bother to use our brains anymore... THERES NOTHING LEFT IN IT!"

[Tassador]

Hippo can u pm me the link of those knickers without the glasses need some whack off material before break is up.

[Infectious]

Our server has no population because of a couple simple things. 1) No gms ever on. Person gets corpse camped for an hour by someone, that person logs off and goes to the next server/game. 2) Bugs are never handled. Resists, Los and so on. If you expect this server to have a decent pop you atleast need some gms. Look at blues bug forums and look at ours.

Its no mystery that gms dont give a fuck about red. So just end the red server or have atleast 1/2 gms to show up each day and police this bitch. Its sad when you petition ingame for a week, no response. Petition on forums to get a reply and week and a half later. Then the response you get by a gm is they will handle it next time their on...

Well I guess that gm dont play no more, cause that shit was a month ago and the problem still aint handled. So yes I know this server is free and yes I know you dont make no money from this project. Dont advertise for people to play and get a moody when asked to fix something. Dont ask for donations to a server that is broken, been broken over a year and spin it like it happened an hour ago when we all know resists been broken the last 2 years.

Red server will always be the projects and the blue server will always be the suburbs. So Yes! We saying f#@k da police!

[Tassador]

I feel bad for the staff they almost should be able to classify red as volunteer work or charity for special needs.

[krazyGlue]

maybe they should come over with some NO drop gear . like in classic if you lost your corpse and wasn't able to be summoned by a gm. they would issue you a basic gear set . ( very shitty) but good enuff to get you started.

[Twainz]

All the blue people I talked to would not play here even with xfers. The pop is already to low and they don't like FFA pvp. That being said, its still super easy to level here. I wouldn't mind bringing my warrior over here but it wouldn't be fair since it was so easy to level to 60 on blue.

[Sektor]

All the blue people I talked to would not play here even with xfers. The pop is already to low and they don't like FFA pvp. That being said, its still super easy to level here. I wouldn't mind bringing my warrior over here but it wouldn't be fair since it was so easy to level to 60 on blue.

eh its easy to xp on red too.

[Gaffin 7.0]

red been p boring lately bring it on

[Infectious]

My post wasnt a knock on gms. New people here need hand holding if they never played pvp. If we had enough gms, bans were not reversed and banned ips were not allowed back, it would be different.

Currently someone can grief people and make 1, 5, 20 people quit. Then when that 1 person is finally banned. They just roll a new toon.... Release velious and roll a new teams server. Delete this server and give an incentive to any old red players(nodrop manastone or de mask ect.). It sucks, but this server currently sucks.

[Rallyd]

TL;DR, OP intentions are that he needs more people to zerg invite to his guild so he has 3-4x Nihilum numbers to compete.

[thisuserwasbannedlol]

sorry rally , but if blue copies came over he would have to compete with preformed blue guilds competing for same content, it would get sloppy and nasty and probably fun.

Will it happen? No

as for leveling in a sheltered environment, exp is terrible on blue , you can level here probably 10x as fast

am I for copying? Yes

naked only

[heartbrand]

sorry rally , but if blue copies came over he would have to compete with preformed blue guilds competing for same content, it would get sloppy and nasty and probably fun.

Will it happen? No

as for leveling in a sheltered environment, exp is terrible on blue , you can level here probably 10x as fast

am I for copying? Yes

naked only

[Zoolander]

i agree with the op but I would make it xfers, not copies. no one would seriously play if he knews that he could play on either servers with the same toon

[Tradesonred]

You could also boost by alot the rate at which you level 1-50 but that would be REALLY bad amirite. Cuz you know, not classic like PnP and shit.

[heartbrand]

Again, the issue I'm trying to address here is that you shouldn't have to basically PL people to have them be able to level here. Currently, if you roll level 1 on this server today, you will be the only person in your level bracket very likely until the early 40's. That's just not a long term viable scenario for growth.

[Kergan]

The reason there are less people here than blue is very, very simple.

The answer? PVP.

Red has roughly 1/10th the population at any given time (at least lately) in regards to blue.

RZ was the only PVP server at launch, and there were at least 10 active blue servers by the end of the pre-Kunark era. RZ consistently had the lowest population.

The ratio is probably better here than it ever was on live. It is just a fact of life that <10% of people want to play on a PVP server. When you have a total active population that leads to about 1300-1400 being online at peak times you're going to have 130-140 peaks on red, shit is classic.

[big mouth chew]

Oh yeah? How did my level 5 magician killed 3 noob robe dark elves last night?

[Babizul]

Oh yeah? How did my level 5 magician killed 3 noob robe dark elves last night?

This is why nobody plays with you.

[Tradesonred]

The reason there are less people here than blue is very, very simple.

The answer? PVP.

Red has roughly 1/10th the population at any given time (at least lately) in regards to blue.

RZ was the only PVP server at launch, and there were at least 10 active blue servers by the end of the pre-Kunark era. RZ consistently had the lowest population.

The ratio is probably better here than it ever was on live. It is just a fact of life that <10% of people want to play on a PVP server. When you have a total active population that leads to about 1300-1400 being online at peak times you're going to have 130-140 peaks on red, shit is classic.

PVP is less popular than PVE? Im glad youre here to tell us these things. Chewie, take the professor in the back and plug him into the hyperdrive.












Seriously its how Heartbrand put it, and why i made the thread i made. Server is old now so most of the living souls are up top. No item loot makes it that the people youll run into will most likely be bored twinks that will never risk any gear griefing lowbies. So itd be in the server best interest to speed up 1-50.

And chewie stop being silly theres 75 people logged on on a saturday afternoon, shits dead as fuck, wake up.

[Tradesonred]

Oh yeah? How did my level 5 magician killed 3 noob robe dark elves last night?

https://i.imgflip.com/6t085.jpg

[big mouth chew]

This is why nobody plays with you.

Tell that to my crew

[Genedin]

This is why I refer to Chewie as the AIDS of the box.

"After Chewie enters the server, it piggybacks onto a T cell and works its way inside of that cell. Once inside, the virus completely takes over the T cell and uses it as a virus-making factory to make a lot of copies of itself. The newly made viruses then leave the T cell and go on to infect and destroy other healthy T cells as they continue to multiply inside the body. T cells invaded by the virus can no longer properly fight infections."


http://i.imgur.com/ad7hqZb.jpg (http://imgur.com/ad7hqZb)


Can't argue with it. It doesn't think, it doesn't reason. Its soul purpose to exist is to harm and spread its decaying infection.

[Gaffin 7.0]

look at all the red dawn killed by chewie hatin lulz

[Tubben]

The reason there are less people here than blue is very, very simple.

The answer? PVP.



At the whole ? Yes.

But if i look at me, i am on blue currently simply because i couldnt stand it anymore to solo the whole time, ist so fucking boring and i just cant stand this. I am more of a group player. But sitting there hour after hour, killing some blue mobs with an char i normaly just dont want to play - but HAVE TO, just because you MUST play an char who can solo - just sucks.

And i doubt i am the only one thinking like this.

[HippoNipple]

At the whole ? Yes.

But if i look at me, i am on blue currently simply because i couldnt stand it anymore to solo the whole time, ist so fucking boring and i just cant stand this. I am more of a group player. But sitting there hour after hour, killing some blue mobs with an char i normaly just dont want to play - but HAVE TO, just because you MUST play an char who can solo - just sucks.

And i doubt i am the only one thinking like this.

That is the downside on this server. You almost have to have a solo class to play around on while you are waiting for groups. People will sympathize with you and give out some gear/buffs but you really need someone to PL you or level with you all the way through to play certain classes.

The exp bonus is significant and helps you push through it. Guilds like Nilly, RD and maybe even Azrael will power level you if you show dedication and may be an asset to the guild. Gream is an example of this type of player.

As for a casual player with no friends on the server playing a solo class is your only option.

[Elderan]

I will say this..

No to copies. I am open to character moves from blue to red as long as they are naked.

[HippoNipple]

I will say this..

No to copies. I am open to character moves from blue to red as long as they are naked.

What about tossing them level 30's quest gear and something like exe axe or stein of moggok?

Having crafted and exe axe at level 60 as a warrior would blow. Punching rats for enough to save up for rusty weapons as a level 60 would be unbearable. Give them a starting point to PvE but basically starting from scratch in PvP gear.

[Elderan]

What about tossing them level 30's quest gear and something like exe axe or stein of moggok?

Having crafted and exe axe at level 60 as a warrior would blow. Punching rats for enough to save up for rusty weapons as a level 60 would be unbearable. Give them a starting point to PvE but basically starting from scratch in PvP gear.

Give them 10k plat each on the character move. That is more then enough to get them started.

[HippoNipple]

Give them 10k plat each on the character move. That is more then enough to get them started.

Agreed, but that would get abused.

[Tradesonred]

Give them 10k plat each on the character move. That is more then enough to get them started.

lawl i never had more than 6k on my 59 sham. Unless you mean transfering the plat?

[Kergan]

They can punch some cracked staff wielding decaying skeletons to death to get money like the rest of us did.

[Tradesonred]

They can punch some cracked staff wielding decaying skeletons to death to get money like the rest of us did.

Thats kind of telling how lukewarm most Nihilum members are when faced with the potential of an influx of competition.

I said naked but yea a set of banded on melees and a fine steel or something at least

[Mac Dretti]

look at all the red dawn killed by chewie hatin lulz

http://hqfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/AmericanHeroes_full.jpg

[phacemeltar]

why not just insta-level every first toon on red to 60? seems like the same idea..

[Kergan]

You can't kill jack shit with banded and fine steel so why even give it to them?

[Pudge]

Blue transfers (not copies), naked except for no drops, level limit/reduction to 57, spells 57+ deleted from spell book. And if your IP is already associated with a 57+ on red, then you can't transfer the blue one.

[Mac Dretti]

Blue transfers (not copies), naked except for no drops, level limit/reduction to 57, spells 57+ deleted from spell book. And if your IP is already associated with a 57+ on red, then you can't transfer the blue one.

Naw

[BrobbVZ]

At this point, let them transfer with everything. What is the worse that could happen to this server? They join Red dawn and compete vs Nihilum? Ohs no, the pvps... THE PVP OHHH NOOOOO

[heartbrand]

tbh I don't think it would help any one guild in particular. if anything it might lead to more guilds popping up

[Pudge]

Oh. And a "trial period" where for 1 month all the blues can play with the level 60, fully geared copy (all items they came over with become no drop). After that, if they want to make the jump then they get deleveled, stripped of droppables, etc.

[heartbrand]

I mean let's be real. There's BARELY, if that, enough players on this server for two raiding guilds in Velious. How can that be considered "acceptable"? We need to address the pop some how, this is a gr8 way.

[phacemeltar]

server population is on the rise recently, and i think what players need to focus on is how to get player retention. i would wager that 1/3 of every new player is going to donate, and if more people can buff the devs coffers then we may be looking at new content/ideas sooner than later.

so do you think blue copies would raise/lower retention?

[Lartanin63]

No one would want to play a higher end char naked on a pvp server. They will get recked and wouldnt be able to complete in pvp. If you let them copy with all gear it would mess up the market. I say let them transfer at whatever level with their no drop gear. If they enjoy the server they can sell their blue pp items for red pp items and go from there. There needs to be some more people for velious unless the guilds are going to work together to kill target, and i doubt that will ever happen.

[Pudge]

"Guys, I can't pvp in rags.." anyone coming over will quickly acquire decent weapons, either via donation, or camping CoM for a day. Not hard. Don't know what ppl talkin about cracked staves for. Most classes also have spells and don't solely rely on melee damage.

Half the reason to level cap and strip droppables is so these new players actually have something to log in and do once they get here. (Plus they are blue so they're into that sorta thing)

[Mac Dretti]

Most will be in planar w epics

[fiegi 8.0]

93 pop on r99 no need for blue xfers imo

[Zalaerian]

I guess I just fundamentally disagree with having a 60 leveled in the sheltered environment of blue copied over to red. And if anything is done it would have to be a move not a copy...or you're just going to have a bunch of hordes of blue people wanting to fuck around when they have nothing to do on their servers.

You can level to 60 here with out seeing any PVP...your out of touch with this server pal

[Clark]

im gonna have to disagree with this. you are getting 2 chars for the investment of one. would totally make the server feel more like a gimmick than a legit classic pvp server. i dont agree with transfers either.

[Mac Dretti]

You can level to 60 here with out seeing any PVP...your out of touch with this server pal

Really? How?

[Clark]

Really? How?

[Gustoo]

Lol letting people bring their pve level 60s over to red so they can PVE more on a non item loot server with no punishment for death or reward for PvP. Recipe for the most terrible idea I've ever heard suggested.

[Gustoo]

Really? How?

Way way easy.

[Gustoo]

Oh I know let's allow mq and boxxing also so people can get to level 60 faster and THEN the fun can begin you know when we all sit around wishing we had pixels and wondering why no one wants to join our serverr. We don't need more level 60s we need more FUN.

And I'm thinking this baby might become a quadruple post I dunno.

You aren't going to get a dedicated guild out of some guys who got a free lvl 60. And there still won't be any dragons up.

[Bones]

this is true, as much as I would love to xfer one of my alts to red it is a terrible idea for the server integrity.

Just roll a char and play, you can get to lvl 20 in like 4 hours and after that its like a level an hour depending on your class. Shits extremely fast.

[BrobbVZ]

No to Copies, yes to transfers with gear. More players = the better.

[Kergan]

You can level to 60 here after joining Red Dawn with out seeing any PVP...your out of touch with this server pal

Fixed.

[HippoNipple]

Fixed.

This ones brain has been fried to the point of no return.

[Sektor]

This ones brain has been fried to the point of no return.

[Kergan]

Truth hurts.

[Nirgon]

Server copies for Pantheon donations.

Make it so.