Everqust raids [Archive]

Verterdegete

08-06-2010, 12:09 PM

Humwawa

08-06-2010, 12:12 PM

WoW raiding is instanced based with a week lockout, hard mode switch available for higher quality loot.

EQ raiding is non-instanced with a 2-7 day respawn on nameds in raid zones, and hard mode switch is training yourself for no loot.

PhelanKA

08-06-2010, 02:20 PM

Hey guys. Can you give me some info about EQ raids in general? What are they like, good stuff, bad stuff, your thoughts about them etc. It would also be really nice if someone who raided in both EQ and WoW could make a comparison between EQ raiding and WoW raiding.

All I can say is not to bother with EQ if all you're interested in is raiding. Especially if you're already used to WOW. EQ will just piss you off.

guineapig

08-06-2010, 02:24 PM

You can always play on this server for your classic fix and go over to EZ-server or somewhere else for your raiding fix.

Project1999 is by and large is the best EQemu server out there but the raid scene is a steaming pile at the moment. Of course it was much the same on live until there were dozens of raid bosses (PoP).

Messianic

08-06-2010, 02:31 PM

...is a steaming pile at the moment...

You mean a steaming pile of love, right?

guineapig

08-06-2010, 02:33 PM

something like that :p

guineapig

08-06-2010, 02:33 PM

Last night 24 people zerged Phinny... I can't make this stuff up if I tried.

Verterdegete

08-06-2010, 02:39 PM

All I can say is not to bother with EQ if all you're interested in is raiding. Especially if you're already used to WOW. EQ will just piss you off.

So what you guys do when you ding 50 ?

Ihealyou

08-06-2010, 02:41 PM

You sit waiting for bosses to spawn, or you sit in ec showing off how cool you are.

guineapig

08-06-2010, 02:45 PM

So what you guys do when you ding 50 ?

I play many alts :D

I enjoy playing as many different classes as possible.

Messianic

08-06-2010, 02:57 PM

You sit waiting for bosses to spawn, or you sit in ec showing off how cool you are.

win

azeth

08-06-2010, 02:59 PM

i personally enjoy farming, so hitting 50 with mage/enc really introduces us to the entire reason we rolled mage/enc. i do not count on raiding anything til Kunark, though I'd be up for it.

PhelanKA

08-06-2010, 03:29 PM

So what you guys do when you ding 50 ?

Again, EQ is not WOW. It will take the average casual player months to get to 50 unless they're already a veteran and know exactly where to go and what to do in order to reach 50.

My first character in EQ was a Troll Warrior and it took me about 6 months to reach 50 playing about 10-15 hours a week. My second character was a necromancer and took about 2 months to get to 50 playing the same weekly amount.

If all you know about MMOs is from playing WOW, I think you're going to hate EQ. There is nothing easy in the game aside from training others with hoards of mobs either intentionally or unintentionally.

But you should be the judge. If you're up for a challenge then give EQ a go. If you want something that is self explanatory and more "recreational" stick to WOW.

rioisk

08-06-2010, 03:32 PM

http://www.poopsock.com/comic/images/poopsock-frontpage.gif

This is P1999 raiding. You sit for many hours. Many many hours. Probably AFK. Receive text message at 5am. Wake up. Get to character. Get a 100% no fail kill that's very very easy. Get Loot.

There is 0 skill. 100% commitment. I mean, at least vanilla WoW 40 man 1.0 raids were difficult.

Messianic

08-06-2010, 03:48 PM

I wonder why "poopsocking" emerged as the term of choice for P1999 camping...

Troy

08-06-2010, 04:09 PM

I mean, at least vanilla WoW 40 man 1.0 raids were difficult.

True. Vanilla (or Classic! It was 2003 after all) WoW was more challenging than Classic EQ at the end game, it was just easier to get to max level.

girth

08-06-2010, 04:55 PM

Raids were the only thing more challenging in WoW, comparing classic to classic. And that's because raiding wasn't even really thought about in EQ classic.

cured

08-06-2010, 04:59 PM

Just as an aside, I can't stand raiding in WoW anymore. Not everyone cares enough about repair bills or corpse runs to actually pay full attention and there were always one or two people you could count on to wipe a raid.

My raiding in EQ was really limited to pre-Kunark. There was a lot of time spent waiting and strategizing, etc, and a lot of dying. But everyone was 100% committed and playing their butts off.

I'd just like to add I raided on Tallon Zek on the dark team, which meant no bards, paladins, or druids. It was a different kind of accomplishment for us back then.

Malrubius

08-06-2010, 05:26 PM

So what you guys do when you ding 50 ?

I say, wow, it's 2015 already! Time to roll an alt.

Verterdegete

08-06-2010, 05:26 PM

Again, EQ is not WOW. It will take the average casual player months to get to 50 unless they're already a veteran and know exactly where to go and what to do in order to reach 50.

My first character in EQ was a Troll Warrior and it took me about 6 months to reach 50 playing about 10-15 hours a week. My second character was a necromancer and took about 2 months to get to 50 playing the same weekly amount.

If all you know about MMOs is from playing WOW, I think you're going to hate EQ. There is nothing easy in the game aside from training others with hoards of mobs either intentionally or unintentionally.

But you should be the judge. If you're up for a challenge then give EQ a go. If you want something that is self explanatory and more "recreational" stick to WOW.

I don't have trouble with grinding and challenge, but it would be really nice to have something to do except to grind.

girth

08-06-2010, 05:35 PM

I don't have trouble with grinding and challenge, but it would be really nice to have something to do except to grind.

If you plan on being here for a while, you will have plenty of raid content coming in Kunark/Velious.

Izzni

08-06-2010, 05:46 PM

If you like socializing, the you'll like EQ raiding. EQ raids are long and repetitive and challenging for about 1 min every couple hours for the crowd controllers. The rest of the time its like gringing but with 30 people.

Boss raids on the other hand I wouldn't worry about. Unless you don't have a job, or at least have one that you can play EQ at, you'll probably only ever see a raid boss once every couple months. If you want boss fights stick with WoW. Frankly this isn't going to change with Kunark or even Velious.

Dukat

08-06-2010, 06:36 PM

Boss raids on the other hand I wouldn't worry about. Unless you don't have a job, or at least have one that you can play EQ at, you'll probably only ever see a raid boss once every couple months.

If the GMs elect to change the raid rules to FFA, we could all see boss mobs whenever they pop, and the outcome will be exciting and no where near as predictable.

Dukat 50 Human SK [SUSPENDED]
Dural 17 High Elf Wiz

Wrot

08-06-2010, 08:41 PM

If you're up for a challenge then give EQ a go. If you want something that is self explanatory and more "recreational" stick to WOW.

Taking longer to level doesn't equal being more difficult. This game isn't hard, especially the pve aspect, especially the low end part of it.

Izzni

08-06-2010, 08:44 PM

If the GMs elect to change the raid rules to FFA, we could all see boss mobs whenever they pop, and the outcome will be exciting and no where near as predictable.

Dukat 50 Human SK [SUSPENDED]
Dural 17 High Elf Wiz

You mean it would be a lot more stupid as everyone trains each other for 3 hours. There's almost no respect between the raiding guilds as it is right now. The rules are the only thing keeping this from devolving into tzvz garbage. And no, we all wouldn't see raid mobs, it would still be just the people willing camp a boss in raid force for hours.

Lazortag

08-06-2010, 08:45 PM

Taking longer to level doesn't equal being more difficult. This game isn't hard, especially the pve aspect, especially the low end part of it.

Getting punished more for fucking up = hard.

girth

08-07-2010, 12:40 AM

Taking longer to level doesn't equal being more difficult. This game isn't hard, especially the pve aspect, especially the low end part of it.

We aren't all mages/necros.

Jeice

08-07-2010, 02:11 AM

A WOW raid is similar to you having to walk into the kitchen to get a cookie.

A EQ raid is similar to you having to fly to the other side of the world, swim 5 miles to an island, and then sell your body until you can afford that cookie.

Dukat

08-07-2010, 02:34 AM

You mean it would be a lot more stupid as everyone trains each other for 3 hours. There's almost no respect between the raiding guilds as it is right now. The rules are the only thing keeping this from devolving into tzvz garbage. And no, we all wouldn't see raid mobs, it would still be just the people willing camp a boss in raid force for hours.

Your lack of faith in your fellow players is depressing to me. There is no respect between the guilds because there's no interaction between them. Why interact when you can just petition and wait and see what the GM says about the situation? If they would just step aside, we'd all realize the necessity of respect and sportsmanlike conduct.

Gwence

08-07-2010, 02:57 AM

Humerox

08-07-2010, 03:33 AM

You mean it would be a lot more stupid as everyone trains each other for days. There's almost no respect between the raiding guilds as it is right now. The rules are the only thing keeping this from devolving into tzvz garbage. And no, we all wouldn't see raid mobs, it would still be just the people willing camp a boss in raid force for days.

Fixt. /wave Izzy!

fugazi

08-07-2010, 07:41 AM

You guys are dumb as rocks if you think WoW classic raids are harder than EQ classic.

When WoW came out people knew about raiding and what to expect in a general sense.

When EQ came out wayyyyy back in the day, no one knew wtf was going on. How many guilds could break fear at level 50 back in 1999? I dont know the answer but I would wager you could count the number with 1 hand. Same thing goes for Trakanon, AoW etc. Very few guilds were able to handle EQ raid content as it was released.

Dont be fooled into thinking EQ is easier just because of how guilds kill stuff right now, 75% of the people have been there and done that and we still do wipe occasionally.

It's not easy.

True that. You had to take most people by the hand and even then expect many wipes over nowadays trivial things. You didnt want to enter Hate with people who you didnt trust a 100%, let alone Fear. In future expansions you could zone into raid zones without instantly dying though which helped a ton - it at least gave you a chance to have a necro or SK summon your corpse. Try that with Fear or Hate xD

Dumesh Uhl'Belk

08-08-2010, 03:34 AM

True that. You had to take most people by the hand and even then expect many wipes over nowadays trivial things. You didnt want to enter Hate with people who you didnt trust a 100%, let alone Fear. In future expansions you could zone into raid zones without instantly dying though which helped a ton - it at least gave you a chance to have a necro or SK summon your corpse. Try that with Fear or Hate xD

No shit, I remember some of the top guilds on my server would have to come in and help others CR when they failed on Fear breaks. I remember my own newb ass guild having a 5 or 6 hour Fear break, as in failing that many times and going back in with backup gear repeatedly. Even in Velious, many guilds could still wipe on raid content. I was called in to help 2nd and 3rd tier guilds CR in Plane of Growth many times.

This server is fantastic, but things are not tuned to the exact same difficulty of classic, and as others have mentioned, most of the playerbase knows these zones very well now. The collective experience means we are all starting way down the learning curve instead of square one.