Guild Drama Review - Gorenaire

[Pheer]

Recently Gorenaire popped, and TMO managed to snag the FTE. Unfortunately for them their puller has night blindness and couldn't tell his guild apart from IB's. (Hint: Its the mass of people thats 3x larger than the other one)

Also I know youre jelly of my rogue's fucked up hotkey bars

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The TMO puller decided to drag Gore in right on top of IB's raid. We stood there trying to figure out what the fuck was going on, right up until their puller was either charmed or zoned into KC, then the FTE message switched to an IB member and we attacked.

TMO however apparently hadn't noticed the new FTE message, and one of their members tagged Gore and attempted to drag her back to his raid while she continued AoEing everyone.

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They immediately realized their mistake as Im sure someone on their vent shouted "THEY HAVE FTE DONT ATTACK". IB on the other hand was happy to let TMO kill a mob we have FTE on, so we sat back and watched. Eventually it became apparent they weren't going to do anything until the FTE message switched, so we waited until Gore finished wiping out the majority of both guilds. This pull fumble forced TMO leadership to once again concede a mob to avoid a suspension.

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[Shiftin]

oooh, do the one about how they're pretending they had to forfeit mobs because of 3 month old fraps next!

[LulzSect]

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[lecompte]

This is more server chat than RnF. Please move thread.

[Ravager]

What good do the Resistant and Fearless disc hotkeys do you?

[Pheer]

What good do the Resistant and Fearless disc hotkeys do you?

Remind of velious hype

[Nocsucow]

Pras

[GnashingOfTeeth]

Come sit on the FTE drama couch!

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[chief]

op is having a nerdous breakdown

[Hokushin]

How many times can TMO train us viciously, then ''forfeit the kill'' (CR themselves for the next hour while their vent turns to chaos) and avoid eating the mandatory 2 week suspension?!?! If I wasn't banned, I'd be submitting my recent VP fraps of how retarded their 30 man pull team is.

[Alarti0001]

How many times can TMO train us viciously, then ''forfeit the kill'' (CR themselves for the next hour while their vent turns to chaos) and avoid eating the mandatory 2 week suspension?!?! If I wasn't banned, I'd be submitting my recent VP fraps of how retarded their 30 man pull team is.


IMO TMO should have just killed that Gorenaire. Sitting at the zoneline is asking to be trained.

[Kingore]

How many times can IB train us, continue to pursue the mob, and not eat the 2 week raid suspension?

[Raavak]

Interesting how IB kills Gore at the tunnel for years, then decide to start forming up where TMO has been forming up for years. Its a big zone, yet you pick the_exact_spot to start doing your Gore raid. Ever think how stupid and douchy that is?

[Pheer]

Interesting how IB kills Gore at the tunnel for years, then decide to start forming up where TMO has been forming up for years. Its a big zone, yet you pick the_exact_spot to start doing your Gore raid. Ever think how stupid and douchy that is?

You're right I guess we should just log out at the tunnel ent and eat a suspension for being too close to the mob, youre very intelligent.

[Hokushin]

Interesting how TMO picks the exact same spot to kill trak in as us. So douchy QQ

If stealing strats was a bad thing, why did TMO leadership bribe Flemming with a PD robe to app to IB and copy/paste all of our forums to their own?

[Alarti0001]

Interesting how TMO picks the exact same spot to kill trak in as us. So douchy QQ

If stealing strats was a bad thing, why did TMO leadership bribe Flemming with a PD robe to app to IB and copy/paste all of our forums to their own?

What strat did he steal? How to Lose PD by Hokushin?

The difference is TMO wouldn't petition for training a zoneline. IB does.

[Detoxx]

Confirmed IB only gets mobs when TMO gives them to them! Servers #1 raiding guild, for sure!

[Raavak]

I mean, its a HUGE fricken zone. And there are other spots near KC that you could just as easily form up at, but choose to form up at the EXACT spot TMO has formed up since, like, forever. I don't really care, but its so pathetic. I can't believe people who are probably at least of average intelligence would do it and it flabbergasts me.

[getsome]

Sitting at the zoneline is asking to be trained.

That is what I told Caleros when he pulled Nexona a few weeks ago.

[getsome]

The difference is TMO wouldn't petition for training a zoneline. IB does.

Actually the new tmo sent a petition to me about training the zone line two weeks ago.

[quido]

except you can't zone out there, ya moran

[Hokushin]

I mean, its a HUGE fricken zone. And there are other spots near KC that you could just as easily form up at, but choose to form up at the EXACT spot TMO has formed up since, like, forever. I don't really care, but its so pathetic. I can't believe people who are probably at least of average intelligence would do it and it flabbergasts me.

Sebilis is pretty huge too.

[Hailto]

Sebilis is pretty huge too.

Comparing wide open zone to indoor dungeon. Derp.

[Hokushin]

Comparing wide open zone to indoor dungeon. Derp.

Flabbergasted

[Shiftin]

How many times can IB train us, continue to pursue the mob, and not eat the 2 week raid suspension?

Hey, you know what's not hard? Staying off the aggro list of a dragon you don't have FTE on. You know why? Of course you do, surely, you're a monk! You pull VP! Let's recap though:

If the puller gets charmed, you just trained your raid with a dragon you don't have FTE on. Because there were 2 people on the aggro list, charming one of them didn't reset the list and you are pulling someone else's dragon onto your raid.

You don't have FTE? Don't touch the dragon. Looking at the dragon doesn't put you on the list.

Want someone to be outraged with?

Blame your pullers like Fillip who aggroed a Nexona that wasn't his and instead of FD and /Qing to clear aggro when it was past racnars and clearly headed to us, decided to run back to your camp and just hang out because he doesn't understand *incredibly basic pulling and aggro management*. Even if we maintained aggro, the pull had gone fine, we had still wiped, then Nexona wandered into your camp because aggro never cleared - you would have killed a dragon without a new FTE message and be handing over loot. Stop being dumb. You, Kingore, know full well how pulling works - consider teaching someone else.

Or, you know, blame your officers for whipping you into a frenzy and making you look like toddlers throwing temper tantrums on the forums because they assumed the worst and when provided a clear timeline of how our dragon ended up in your camp, complete with screenshots, kept that to themselves to feed your ignorant members' rampant hate. Hey, everyone loves a scapegoat!

Go get your shinebox.

[Raavak]

Sebilis is pretty huge too.Trakanon isn't pulled. Its an idiotic comparison, my God.

[Shiftin]

Trakanon isn't pulled.

Tell that to tiggles.

[Hailto]

You're better at clicking your javelin for 12 hours while you poop in your bed pan than you are at forum trolling Hoku.

[Hokushin]

You're better at clicking your javelin for 12 hours while you poop in your bed pan than you are at forum trolling Hoku.

Depends.


Hey, you know what's not hard? Staying off the aggro list of a dragon you don't have FTE on. You know why? Of course you do, surely, you're a monk! You pull VP! Let's recap though:

If the puller gets charmed, you just trained your raid with a dragon you don't have FTE on. Because there were 2 people on the aggro list, charming one of them didn't reset the list and you are pulling someone else's dragon onto your raid.

You don't have FTE? Don't touch the dragon. Looking at the dragon doesn't put you on the list.

Want someone to be outraged with?

Blame your pullers like Fillip who aggroed a Nexona that wasn't his and instead of FD and /Qing to clear aggro when it was past racnars and clearly headed to us, decided to run back to your camp and just hang out because he doesn't understand *incredibly basic pulling and aggro management*. Even if we maintained aggro, the pull had gone fine, we had still wiped, then Nexona wandered into your camp because aggro never cleared - you would have killed a dragon without a new FTE message and be handing over loot. Stop being dumb. You, Kingore, know full well how pulling works - consider teaching someone else.

Or, you know, blame your officers for whipping you into a frenzy and making you look like toddlers throwing temper tantrums on the forums because they assumed the worst and when provided a clear timeline of how our dragon ended up in your camp, complete with screenshots, kept that to themselves to feed your ignorant members' rampant hate. Hey, everyone loves a scapegoat!

Go get your shinebox.


According to TMOs new public representative Unbrella: "If you're sitting at the zone in of VP, you are asking to get trained''

[Pheer]

Trakanon isn't pulled. Its an idiotic comparison, my God.

You know whats idiotic? A puller being unable to click on one player in a crowd and figure out its not his guild. Also he was plenty far enough ahead of the mob to get to us, see the IB tags and then run back over to his raid force. Complaining about raid force placement because your puller doesnt even know where to pull to is BEYOND idiotic.

[quido]

you're bad at forumquest hoku

stick to feigning death or whatever the fuck

[Hokushin]

<3u2 jeremy

[Alarti0001]

Actually the new tmo sent a petition to me about training the zone line two weeks ago.

Which zone?

[Alarti0001]

Actually the new tmo sent a petition to me about training the zone line two weeks ago.

except you can't zone out there, ya moran

Exactly this moran doesn't understand the difference between 1-way and 2-way zones.

[Fuddwin]

This
Is
A
GAME!!

I truly feel sorry for MOST of you here.. =/

Poor All of You (Variety)

[Raavak]

You know whats idiotic? A puller being unable to click on one player in a crowd and figure out its not his guild.

The puller was zoning to KC because an abort was called. Its comparable to walking into a busy street claiming the car that hit you didn't yield to a pedestrian. Sometimes you have to realize the position you put yourself in is the cause of your troubles.

[getsome]

Which zone?

I was just contacted by the server staff and the new TMO leadership. I am unable to comment on this any further.

[Kingore]

Hey, you know what's not hard? Staying off the aggro list of a dragon you don't have FTE on. You know why? Of course you do, surely, you're a monk! You pull VP! Let's recap though:

If the puller gets charmed, you just trained your raid with a dragon you don't have FTE on. Because there were 2 people on the aggro list, charming one of them didn't reset the list and you are pulling someone else's dragon onto your raid.

You don't have FTE? Don't touch the dragon. Looking at the dragon doesn't put you on the list.

Want someone to be outraged with?

Blame your pullers like Fillip who aggroed a Nexona that wasn't his and instead of FD and /Qing to clear aggro when it was past racnars and clearly headed to us, decided to run back to your camp and just hang out because he doesn't understand *incredibly basic pulling and aggro management*. Even if we maintained aggro, the pull had gone fine, we had still wiped, then Nexona wandered into your camp because aggro never cleared - you would have killed a dragon without a new FTE message and be handing over loot. Stop being dumb. You, Kingore, know full well how pulling works - consider teaching someone else.

Or, you know, blame your officers for whipping you into a frenzy and making you look like toddlers throwing temper tantrums on the forums because they assumed the worst and when provided a clear timeline of how our dragon ended up in your camp, complete with screenshots, kept that to themselves to feed your ignorant members' rampant hate. Hey, everyone loves a scapegoat!

Go get your shinebox.

I'm talking about that last PD. But, hey that wasn't a train you guys were just trying to run to safety!

[Hitpoint]

You know whats idiotic? A puller being unable to click on one player in a crowd and figure out its not his guild. Also he was plenty far enough ahead of the mob to get to us, see the IB tags and then run back over to his raid force. Complaining about raid force placement because your puller doesnt even know where to pull to is BEYOND idiotic.

He was told to zone the mob. He ran to the KC zoneline while Gore was still far away and out of sight. But then there was confusion about whether to bring it to camp or to zone it. During this time Gore reached him and charmed him, leaving her unagro'd on top of IB's raid. It was definitely bad, definitely a mistake, but it was definitely different than you portray it.

[Pheer]

The puller was zoning to KC because an abort was called. Its comparable to walking into a busy street claiming the car that hit you didn't yield to a pedestrian. Sometimes you have to realize the position you put yourself in is the cause of your troubles.

You guys had over 40 people in zone at the time. Why was an abort called? Weren't ready for a low numbers engage and needed to wait for 30 more to log in?

Also theres a million ways for him to abort the pull besides drag it in on top of us. But no youre right you guys are always the victim in every situation.

[Hailto]

You guys had over 40 people in zone at the time. Why was an abort called? Weren't ready for a low numbers engage and needed to wait for 30 more to log in?

Also theres a million ways for him to abort the pull besides drag it in on top of us. But no youre right you guys are always the victim in every situation.

You prepped to kill a dragon at a zone line. That's all that really needs to be said, blame yourself for acting like you just installed the game and don't know basic game mechanics.

[Pheer]

You prepped to kill a dragon at a zone line. That's all that really needs to be said, blame yourself for acting like you just installed the game and don't know basic game mechanics.

You're right I guess there isnt a zoneline literally 50 feet away from KC that had no raid force near it

[Hailto]

You're right I guess there isnt a zoneline literally 50 feet away from KC that had no raid force near it

Huge zone for you to pull gore in, you prep right next to our raid force on a zone line and cry about a train. /boggle

[Hitpoint]

You guys had over 40 people in zone at the time. Why was an abort called? Weren't ready for a low numbers engage and needed to wait for 30 more to log in?

Also theres a million ways for him to abort the pull besides drag it in on top of us. But no youre right you guys are always the victim in every situation.

Abort was called while the dragon was still a long way off. The call was changed to bring her in. but there was some miss communication and the puller didn't come back to us in time.

[Alarti0001]

You're right I guess there isnt a zoneline literally 50 feet away from KC that had no raid force near it

Poor Feign

[Pheer]

So its our fault you guys cant make a simple and firm call on vent

TMO chokes and its IB's fault because your puller panicked and you confused him with conflicting calls. I got it, youre still the victims.

[Fuddwin]

Poor Feign

Really?

[Hitpoint]

So its our fault you guys cant make a simple and firm call on vent

TMO chokes and its IB's fault because your puller panicked and you confused him with conflicting calls. I got it, youre still the victims.

I think we accept that this was our fault. The decision to pass on Gore regardless of what happened during that particular engage was made in vent moments after IB got FTE. The dragon got pulled in, dropped on you guys, and we knew immediately that we had fucked up. The raid leader made the call probably less than 30 seconds after that.

For what it's worth I hope we keep handling raid disputes like this. Fast and efficiently. I wasn't happy about what happened at Gore, but I was glad it was settled right there and it wasn't something we had to hear about a week later and counter for some other fraps etc.

[Pheer]

I think we accept that this was our fault.

might want to tell you guys' army of forumquesters that

[Zapatos]

Don't forget the gore right before that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dHsWUcygwg&feature=youtu.be&t=2m2s

"THERE GOES THE BOOM!"

Nothing more awesome than zerging a dragon at 75% hp. Except for:

Guilds are still strongly advised to follow the rules of FTE. Let a mob reset before engaging. If you don't have the FTE shout, don't engage it.

[captain]

In This Thread (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOy2vnrWYXY#t=0m52s)

[Alarti0001]

Really?

Adapt or Die !